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JIMvc2
The Wanga Empire Strikes Back
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:35:00 -
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With the 750k SP I will never be close to cap. But let's see if the hardcore players will cap. 
MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
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Middas Betancore
Kirjuun Heiian
152
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:41:00 -
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To be honest, 6mill sp a week.. I find it troubling that the majority accepted it, shows the true greed of players in my minor opinion.
I don't like to slam CPM, but u guys didn't find this pre 1.9, no one says to CCP, "6 MILL A WEEK?!?"
Ah well
Was entertaining to see the knee jerk tears when it was "removed"
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Vapor Forseti
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
1659
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:42:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:With the 750k SP I will never be close to cap. But let's see if the hardcore players will cap.
I actually wondered if anyone with a job would be able to even hit a 300K SP cap.
If you could cap 750K every week, then you would need some serious help.
Texted my wife. She said she wants two holo strippers for her room. She also wants a holo penguin butler.
-Ripley
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Vell0cet
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
2472
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:43:00 -
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You handled this really well CCP Rattati.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Fibo Gjenn
UNIVERSAL BANDAGE
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:45:00 -
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Well handled .
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
831
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:45:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The reason to offer this for the whole month is because many players purchased 30-day boosters on the expectation that this is how the game would work. They can always refund boosters via support tickets if anyone is severely surprised that this isn't how it was going to work. Or just reset any boosters activated since the patch without taking away any SP. That'd also help to ease the pain.
Ontopic:
Personally, if I was to make a decision on this I wouldn't want to be held hostage by people's expectations. The conflict to solve is: By changing the cap later you hand out X many SP, by changing it early you annoy Y many paying customers.
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I'm loving the transparency here. |
Middas Betancore
Kirjuun Heiian
152
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:48:00 -
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Lol each time u cap at 750k u should get a "need help?" memo
Joke
Very well done on this patch by the way
Not joke
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
413
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:49:00 -
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Middas Betancore wrote:To be honest, 6mill sp a week.. I find it troubling that the majority accepted it, shows the true greed of players in my minor opinion.
I don't like to slam CPM, but u guys didn't find this pre 1.9, no one says to CCP, "6 MILL A WEEK?!?"
Ah well
Was entertaining to see the knee jerk tears when it was "removed"
Boosters DO NOT multiplicate, they add. Therefore it's 3mil the max you could get a week, not 6 mil.
For evidence:
750.000 plus 300% of 750.000 (100% per each omega) = 3.000.000
Take a bow
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Jathniel
G I A N T
1227
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:53:00 -
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Dude, Rattati...
You're so awesome, you broke the SP condom.
Yeah, we need to fix that. We CANNOT have people burning through SP that fast.
Do what you gotta do. lol
Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
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cris bleu
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
5
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:57:00 -
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CCP Ratati:
Makes mistake. Fixes it.
Accidentally misleads people. Puts them straight, gives concession.
Finds broken game. Fixes it.
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Chit Hoppened
The Exemplars
Top Men.
379
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:02:00 -
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Dude Rattati, you need a raise.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1628
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:03:00 -
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Honestly I don't see why people care about the cap anymore. It stopped doing its job in less than 6 months (and that's me being very generous) of open beta starting.
We've already got plenty of people with 50+ mil, even more with 20+ mil and then they're playing against people with less than 10 mil which unless spent wisely isn't going to help those poor bastards. The cap doesn't keep the try hards and no lifers from progressing faster than anyone else; all it does is ensure that newer players have to deal with getting their dicks kicked in for a good bit longer than they would without a cap.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
311
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:05:00 -
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What are the bad side effects of having a high cap? No reasons given, just a general uneasiness at large numbers.
Devalues old SP? Hell no, it gets rid of the ridiculous SP gap between new and old players, encourages players from just playing for only one or two days. I can play more casusally knowing i can earn WP the entire week and not just be limited to upgrading an item once a month. Most vets already have the entire skill tree of thier choice unlocked. If those guys want to cry about new players they stomp on getting proto gear to fight back faster, let those tears flow. Thats about as elitist as it gets.
SP totals in terms of in game skill mean nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero. but when it comes to balancing the progression, this unintentional error was a beatiful first step.
More people were willing to pay more for the boosters, more money for CCP, and keeping this game running.
Keeps new players in the game. and don't worry about proto spam, since the isk paypouts are back to being as crappy as before yesterday, i don't predict alot of proto spam at all.
Plus with the "post level 5" being worked on why not make those insanley SP expensive.
Do it for 30 days and leave until the servers go down at 750 k Cap. You know, you just might end up with everybody, new and vets alike, enjoy all of Dust for once.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Flint Beastgood III
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
650
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:10:00 -
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MEGA FAIL.
The only issue I have is the triple stacking boosters, the cap is fine. Why? Because only people willing to spend stupid amounts of money on AUR could reach those crazily high SP numbers per week.
Yep
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4371
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:12:00 -
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Turn it into an event.
#ProblemSolved.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
973
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:19:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Dear players,
Long Version Only
I hope that this settles this issue, and lets you get back to playing the vastly improved DUST 514 of Uprising 1.9!
Sincerely
CCP Rattati
Ripley Riley wrote:TL;DR - 750k was huge. Probably not a good idea, but we will do it because we said we would. HOWEVER, if 750k turns out to be as batshit crazy as we think, we reserve the right to change it after 30 days.
Thank you sir
Mr CCP Dragon Slayer, please confirm Ripley's TL;DR - your post desperately needs it :)
Bullets preferred :)
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g li2
Grupo de Asalto Chacal
RISE of LEGION
338
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:19:00 -
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Only 30 days please 750,000 is too
CHACALES
¡¡ HONOR !!
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1933
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:22:00 -
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Awesome! I feel 750 may be a bit much, dunno if I would play that much per week. If you are going to lower it I'd say 500k would be a good number.
Master Skyshark rider
Kaalaka dakka tamer
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
4828
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:23:00 -
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There are many reasons I like CCP Rattati. The ability to admit when he screws up is just one of them.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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JIMvc2
The Wanga Empire Strikes Back
365
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:25:00 -
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Vapor Forseti wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:With the 750k SP I will never be close to cap. But let's see if the hardcore players will cap. I actually wondered if anyone with a job would be able to even hit a 300K SP cap. If you could cap 750K every week, then you would need some serious help.
It's not like I play the game 24/7 no lol. That would be terrible just playing none stop and capping.
Now I seem to get around 30k in sp. Not much but since I'm saving a lot it will be worth it.
MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:27:00 -
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500k-4M: WTF am i doing?
4M-8M: This game is hard, how do they kill me so fast?
8M-12M: My skills make up for your innate bonuses! oops, dead again 
12M-24M: My Skills really do negate your extra 40M SP you have over me
24M+: I spend SP on superfluous things
72M: I have every weapon and every suit with max skills from a single race
If a player started the game this year, capped out every week, didn't use boosters, but did all the SP events or MMC, they would have 7.7 million SP from Passives, 4M from MCC, 8 million from weekly cap (before Sp events), and daily log in bonus.
The change in cap is negligable to vets. it's really only helping the characters that are under 6 months old.
On Hiatus.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
2108
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:33:00 -
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Rattati, whether or not I agree with your reasoning, the fact that you clarified your intent instead of the shady business practices done before (fanfest 2014 stick out) earns my respect.
Here is something you could do: instead of 750k, why not bump it to only 250k? small, incremental changes. If 250k isn't enough, then bump it to 300k, and so on.
Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
2362
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:44:00 -
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Wow.
Add me on to the "how the hell could you not have known this?" crowd. Jeez, the entire forum was exploding over the possibility of multiple million SP a week within about an hour of the Dev Blog. With everything that was being pinged to the CPM about millions of SP a week, I find it really disturbing that this was not recognized immediately. I mean, jeez, we are the players and immediately looked at it and realized that something was wrong. This isn't the EVE Black Hole Wormhole with blasters where it could not have been predicted that a negative optimal could result in infinite range or even "If I put 3 Hardeners on my Python and stagger them, it is immune to most AV." This was flat out, right there in the open.
I will say this: I am glad that you are going to keep the numbers for at least 30 days so that people who triple stacked are not utterly screwed over by this immediate change.
But the final thing to take away from this is not "oh, the developers made a mistake and seek to change it" but rather "the developers had completely different intentions than what seemed originally to be quite clear and did not make those intentions clear to the community while we were all reacting to 3 million+ SP a week."
This has become a running theme with CCP in regards to DUST: complete and total lack of information given to the customers.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
509
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:49:00 -
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And the dust doomsday has beeing stopped before people started to riot and throw over the eve monument in iceland.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
168
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:53:00 -
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Bravo!
Assaulting people since way too long..
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2011
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:58:00 -
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None of us are perfect. We all make mistakes.
The difference between us, if there is one, is in how we handle our mistakes.
Do we make excuses? Do we blame others and deflect? Or do we own up to them and make them right?
Bravo, Rattati, for the way this was handled. Bravo. |
VikingKong iBUN
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
164
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:05:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Blah blah blah blah, cash grab is all i heard.
this. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
1324
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:08:00 -
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Dang so with some money you could get close to 6m SP/week. That's one bad ass boost haha. So happy this type of thing isn't in EVE (yet).
All you need to do now is extend the sale of Omegas another week so I can buy some more 
/c
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Everything Dies
FUNNY NAME GOES HERE
1063
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:13:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Cavani1EE7 wrote:How about you make it only this week? I consider 750k SP a crazy amount as well. As do I. But 190 is too low. Maybe 250 or 300 at most.
250k gets my vote. Usually cap out early Monday, so the rest of the time is simply spent "goofing off" until Wednesday.
Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
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Cass Caul
1441
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:16:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:Dang so with some money you could get close to 6m SP/week. That's one bad ass boost haha. So happy this type of thing isn't in EVE (yet). All you need to do now is extend the sale of Omegas another week so I can buy some more /c
What's wrong with dropping $60 a month to play catch-up?
That's the price of a new game, if they want to spend that amount so they can get 15M SP in a single month, than good for them.
I'd rather get a few used games and know that as long as other people drop cash into DUST I'll have something to do when I'm bored of single-player games
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