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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
4619
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:16:00 -
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For the people wondering how Rattati could've not known this: Bear in mind there are closed beta veterans who still today, do not understand this. A lot of these systems were designed before this became Rattati's job. And during the hotfixes, Rattati's focus was game balance. He just now in 1.9 sunk his teeth into the booster system. It's understandable, especially when Rattati has a hard time understanding illogical things. ;)
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
314
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:22:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:None of us are perfect. We all make mistakes.
The difference between us, if there is one, is in how we handle our mistakes.
Do we make excuses? Do we blame others and deflect? Or do we own up to them and make them right?
Bravo, Rattati, for the way this was handled. Bravo.
First we try to hide them and hope nobody notices.
A little edit here, a delete there and say aboslutley nothing until people who paid already money begin to complain.
Then roll out the red carpet.
Credit where credit is due if we're all getting 750 k back as a cap its great.
Nitpicking yes, but i don't have too much professional sypmathy for someone who responds to a player like this.
CCP Rattati wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:
well thats pretty dissapointing. how does a militia bpo work towards customizing a proto suit?
your life must be fantastic
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
18703
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:24:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Bear in mind there are closed beta veterans who still today, do not understand this.
Who are these people?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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shaman oga
The Dunwich Horror
3020
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:27:00 -
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I'll take this mont as 3 million SP challenge.
I have one question, will SP gain be the same as now? |
el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
425
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:32:00 -
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Cool.
I'm not a fan of the "Millions of SP a Month" idea.
A thirty day period of accelerated accrual? Sure.
So, will the passive omega boosters make it back into the market?
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
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137H4RGIC
Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment.
267
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:41:00 -
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Rattati, I am becoming more and more impressed with your desire to move the game forward to where you want it to be, and your focus on keeping the game what it needs to be and finding the balance between the two. Your level of diplomacy makes me smile when I read the DUST forums, you've proved me wrong that you're not just another CCP forum guy. You make visible strides at bridging the gaps.
Also I wanted to thank you for being so communicative during this state of panic. I really do appreciate compromise that you put fouth. I do not expect that we'll keep our 750k, but your ability to handle the matter is positively astonishing.
TL;DR: Thanks for taking our concerns at heart.
D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5831
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:47:00 -
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With war points being doubled i would not mind the total cap being raised to 300k or 350k. 400k absolute max. But 750k is insanely high.
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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VikingKong iBUN
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
166
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:52:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:Rattati, I am becoming more and more impressed with your desire to move the game forward to where you want it to be, and your focus on keeping the game what it needs to be and finding the balance between the two. Your level of diplomacy makes me smile when I read the DUST forums, you've proved me wrong that you're not just another CCP forum guy. You make visible strides at bridging the gaps.
Also I wanted to thank you for being so communicative during this state of panic. I really do appreciate compromise that you put fouth. I do not expect that we'll keep our 750k, but your ability to handle the matter is positively astonishing.
TL;DR: Thanks for taking our concerns at heart. I don't get why he is getting so much praise. All this topic says is: "I hardly even know how this game works, I'm just here to milk more money out of the players before we shut this game down. Sorry guys." |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
7387
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:54:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:137H4RGIC wrote:Rattati, I am becoming more and more impressed with your desire to move the game forward to where you want it to be, and your focus on keeping the game what it needs to be and finding the balance between the two. Your level of diplomacy makes me smile when I read the DUST forums, you've proved me wrong that you're not just another CCP forum guy. You make visible strides at bridging the gaps.
Also I wanted to thank you for being so communicative during this state of panic. I really do appreciate compromise that you put fouth. I do not expect that we'll keep our 750k, but your ability to handle the matter is positively astonishing.
TL;DR: Thanks for taking our concerns at heart. I don't get why he is getting so much praise. All this topic says is: "I hardly even know how this game works, I'm just here to milk more money out of the players before we shut this game down. Sorry guys."
That's just like...you know... your OPINION man....
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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Terry Webber
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
478
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Posted - 2014.11.05 20:55:00 -
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You handled this issue quite nicely, Rattati. I also think 750 thousand SP cap is excessive so I won't mind it dropping to a smaller amount. I can't play that much anyway. |
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
168
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Posted - 2014.11.05 21:15:00 -
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Will the amount of SP earned per battle will also be increased? I think it will, but in what way? x4 SP boost? More? 750K SP will be impossible to hit otherwise..
Assaulting people since way too long..
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1221
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Posted - 2014.11.05 21:24:00 -
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Im sad but i see why you did it. Can you atleast increase it to 300k? pls
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4525
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Posted - 2014.11.05 21:54:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:CCP Rattati wrote: At that time, we were very aware that we should not devalue veteran SP by giving SP away too freely, but also still allow new players to catch up and catch a break. The scenario was thus, the veterans can throw in a single booster and ease into getting the 750k, not in a rush but during the whole week, instead of stressing out to cap. The new players or those that needed SP for an expensive skill could boost out to do so, but it wouldnGÇÿt be sustainable and up to the hard cap of 750k.
I just want to comment on this. As someone that has been playing since January of last year (as vet as you can get without being closed beta), with a handful of breaks, I want new players to become competitive as quickly as possible so by all means devalue my SP all the fck you want.
This
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4425
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:12:00 -
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You admitted to a mistake that'll get you a pass anytime in my book
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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BONERBOMB TIGBITTIES
THE BONERBOMBS
45
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:17:00 -
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This is bs. Still a 190k skill cap that I can drain in a few hours.
I enjoy beverage
I manage beverage
But mostly enjoy beverage
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Stupid Blueberry
Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm
566
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:31:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Dear players,
I need to write this to explain the 1.9 Weekly Skill Cap implementation and its intent and design.
When we first discussed the possibility of stacking boosters and raising the skill cap, with the CPM, I honestly thought that the skill cap was a fixed number that was achieved faster by equipping boosters. Yeah, I just never did the math on the EOM screen, donGÇÿt think I ever capped out anyway, more than half of my 35 million SP is probably passive booster SP.
Therefore, the 750k active skillcap number came directly from me, from thinking GÇPWe need to triple it due to the 3 boosters, and we will even throw in an additional amount to make it an even 750k. It will be generous and cool.GÇ£
At that time, we were very aware that we should not devalue veteran SP by giving SP away too freely, but also still allow new players to catch up and catch a break. The scenario was thus, the veterans can throw in a single booster and ease into getting the 750k, not in a rush but during the whole week, instead of stressing out to cap. The new players or those that needed SP for an expensive skill could boost out to do so, but it wouldnGÇÿt be sustainable and up to the hard cap of 750k.
On top of that we added the ability to just do single purchases with instant boosters, just to make it less of a burden to buy a big chunk of booster time, instead of just GÇPwhen you need it and want itGÇ£. This allows for flexibility, but only a handful would ever do both, and so what, there is a hard cap (again, in my mind).
This is discussed with the CPM and devs and everything was awesome. The 750k number goes into the Patch Notes, and soon I see concerns from the community on the forums and feedback about some crazy 3 million per week numbers. And I thought, GÇPok, they are totally misunderstanding, its a hard capGÇ£, IGÇÿll explain it later in a sticky.
Then I am, by an off chance and just before we hit final QA, made aware by the dev team how it is really going to pan out. Players will be able to 3X stack, but as was explained to me, both the instant and active booster SP would not be counted towards the cap. After double and triple checking and running hellish spreadsheets with average potential SP scenarios and combinations of boosters, it was confirmed. It was too late to mess with the code, but there was no way I wanted, 750+2250(3xOmegas) + 2250 (3x Instant for all battles) + Passive, a total of 6M SP per week. That just wasnGÇÿt our intent at any stage of this feature.
The intent was, as it happens, much closer to to the old cap of 180k+540 (3xOmegas) + 540(3xInstant for all battles)+Passive ~ 1.8 million or so, very close to the previous weekly max SP gain times 3.
That sounded exactly what we wanted so we simply moved the skill cap back to 180k and pulled the 750k number out of the patch notes, very last minute. I was absolutely sure that this is what players truly expected, and I think most players agree that 6M SP per week is completely untenable. GÇPBut, noone is going to do that in the long termGÇ£, I hear you say, it costs too much, and will burn those extremely few that do so, out. So I didnGÇÿt worry at all about explaining this, if the need arose.
Until I had the 500 messages from the CPM, blinking furiously on Skype tonight, after football practice and just about to hit the hay.The gist of the messages was GÇPEveryone, and the CPM included, thinks players should be able to get 2.5 million active SP if they triple stack Omegas, but they probably assumed Instant Boosters would not be additive on top."
Well, it can be hard to admit mistakes, and learn from them, but I am willing to try and do both.
Therefore, I propose that to keep faith to those that thought the intent was 750k multiplied by stacked boosters, to immediately raise it to 750k during downtime tomorrow. The potential SP gain will be enormous, but we can monitor the situation for a single month, just how fast players are capping and gaining SP and whether it is a real problem.
Those that bought and stacked 3 boosters today, will not lose anything and be able to do what was communicated, even though that was absolutely not our intent. If you have already capped out today, please take a break and start again after DT tomorrow.
However, we then reserve our right to reduce the Skill Cap after 30 days if deemed necessary, with a weeks notice or so, so players will understand fully how the Skill Cap will affect their purchasing decisions.
I hope that this settles this issue, and lets you get back to playing the vastly improved DUST 514 of Uprising 1.9!
Sincerely CCP Rattati
\o/ hug
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
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Stupid Blueberry
Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm
566
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:32:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Thumb Green wrote:CCP Rattati wrote: At that time, we were very aware that we should not devalue veteran SP by giving SP away too freely, but also still allow new players to catch up and catch a break. The scenario was thus, the veterans can throw in a single booster and ease into getting the 750k, not in a rush but during the whole week, instead of stressing out to cap. The new players or those that needed SP for an expensive skill could boost out to do so, but it wouldnGÇÿt be sustainable and up to the hard cap of 750k.
I just want to comment on this. As someone that has been playing since January of last year (as vet as you can get without being closed beta), with a handful of breaks, I want new players to become competitive as quickly as possible so by all means devalue my SP all the fck you want. This
Yes I was mostly excited about 1.9 because I think it is really a noobie buff.
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3726
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:42:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:And with this, the game becomes pay to win. Clap,clap,clap Like I said in another thread, it's more like pay-to-catch-up than pay-to-win.
War Barge voice since beta wrote:AUR, allows you to do more faster
So I'd say Thumb Green has hit the nail on the head, this is just the same type of stuff done another way.
See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
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Xatha De'Agelle
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:49:00 -
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Anyone else feeling this is a right f-u if you missed buying 3 x 30_day omega boosters? Edit: I didn't even know they were sold, until two days ago. :-( |
Commander Noctus
Gallente Loyalist
100
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:51:00 -
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Ohhhh, Rattati, how could you not know how boosters worked after 2+yrs? While I am in agreement (posted as much on a different thread) that 750k is waaay too much, this talk about not knowing how boosters work? Really? And the panicked removal of evidence (very shoddily done mind you CCP guys)? Ah well...at the very least everything is cleared up and most are happy. But you lose one happy-sticker for that.
Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5833
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:53:00 -
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Xatha De'Agelle wrote:Anyone else feeling this is a right f-u if you missed buying 3 x 30_day omega boosters? No because everyone before this was screaming CCP are money grabbers and asking why are they still selling boosters for a game that will not get anymore updates....
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3726
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:56:00 -
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Middas Betancore wrote:To be honest, 6mill sp a week.. I find it troubling that the majority accepted it, shows the true greed of players in my minor opinion.
I don't like to slam CPM, but u guys didn't find this pre 1.9, no one says to CCP, "6 MILL A WEEK?!?"
Ah well
Was entertaining to see the knee jerk tears when it was "removed" Honestly I said "~35 hours per week to cap? Yeah hardly anyone will reach that and most who do are already past the SP threshold for a full proto role so it doesn't hold meaningful balance implications"
Back in closed beta I played against characters with maxed skills and top shelf gear, I am not remotely the best guy game guy, I ran starter fits, and I still killed them.
In my view additional SP leads to flexibility, which is fun, but the whole notion of an "SP arms race" is rather overblown.
0.02 ISK Cross
See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
2924
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Posted - 2014.11.05 23:02:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I remember clearly a Sticky by a Dev that detailed how boosters work for several months somewhere in thr middle of last year so i still call bulls**t. oh look here it is
This is a year and half old by the community manager. Commander Wang was never a Dev. Also, jsut because you remembered this, that doesn't mean that Ratatatatatatata remembered, which he clearly didn't.
Now, be an adutl and accept his apology and his willingness to see where his mistake goes instead of just saying "no" and not apologizing. This makes life so much less stressful.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3726
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Posted - 2014.11.05 23:12:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:For the people wondering how Rattati could've not known this: Bear in mind there are closed beta veterans who still today, do not understand this. A lot of these systems were designed before this became Rattati's job. And during the hotfixes, Rattati's focus was game balance. He just now in 1.9 sunk his teeth into the booster system. It's understandable, especially when Rattati has a hard time understanding illogical things. ;) ^Accurate.
I do this day have people (not just new bros) asking me questions about this and/or misunderstanding the way it works in various ways.
All in all people make mistakes, it happens and that's a given, what is not a given is someone who gets up in the middle of the night to write a public apology for a slip up and present a method to make it right, that later aspect? That's quite rare and quite laudable.
0.02 ISK Cross
See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3726
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Posted - 2014.11.05 23:15:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Bear in mind there are closed beta veterans who still today, do not understand this. Who are these people? They're all you Arkena, admit it, it's okay, we're here for you
See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
209
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Posted - 2014.11.05 23:33:00 -
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Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.-Thomas Jefferson
You guys should stop listening to those that covet and to those that see the future not the past.
Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
209
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Posted - 2014.11.05 23:33:00 -
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Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.-Thomas Jefferson
You guys should stop listening to those that covet and to those that see the future not the past.
Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2014.11.05 23:42:00 -
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Good job ratatti
Thanks for taking the time to clarify this have a good night
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Ryme Intrinseca
1962
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Posted - 2014.11.06 01:02:00 -
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Grindfest 514: The Final Cashgrab |
Xatha De'Agelle
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2014.11.06 01:30:00 -
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Are you all lying? I just finished my first match and it says my weekly max is 200k. I've got 3 boosters going that aren't gaining as much as claimed, because you guys, what, don't actually know what the cap is represented at right now? |
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