Won't matter to me at this point. I recently ditched the cloak and started to knife people the old fashion way without it.

The only problem is our role bonus is now useless. Id prefer something like scan range and dampening, or anything rather than a bonus to what will soon be the most laughable piece of equipment.

Good point, and this is how they make loot off aur respec s

The only problem is our role bonus is now useless. Id prefer something like scan range and dampening, or anything rather than a bonus to what will soon be the most laughable piece of equipment.

Why don't we look at the heart of the problem, shared passives?

Removing them would be such an easy solution, it makes me actually somewhat angry that we haven't done it..

Seriously, what reason is there for not doing this?

It really, seriously, balances scouts without making the cloak a useless piece of shit, which it will be next patch.

Also, can the scout role bonus be changed to 5% dampening again? Please and thank you.

The problem with scouts aren't that they are the best slayers (they're worse than Assaults), its not that they are better at using equipment (they're worse than Logis), its not that they're the best at AV (they're worse than Commando's), its definitely not that they're the best at point defense (they're worse than Heavies), its the fact that they are able to make their entire squad better at eWAR than anything.

One scout with 300 HP seeing people 40 meters away with a red chevron isn't a problem. 5 Sentinels with 1500 HP and an HMG seeing everything within 50 meters is.

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again. If you remove shared passives, scouts lose their main role in PC and organized matches. Only the skilled players who can use it will continue to. Without shared passives, the number of scouts in PC will drop to about half of what it currently is, and heavies will, by the same effect, be reduced in number as they will no longer have the eWAR of a 300 HP scout with the offensive capabilities of a Sentinel.

This in turn gives much more breathing room for Assaults to slay.

The cloak nerf does nothing. Scouts will continue to dominate PC solely because they are needed for shared passives. They just simply won't run a cloak, which means that our role bonus is now a complete and utter waste.

Its like the shield regeneration for Gallente and Amarr Assault, back in the day, but worse.

It simply won't be used. Scouts will find out very soon not to run the cloak when they get surprised by a camping HMG heavy hiding 5 meters away killing them as soon as they shiny-shine walk by.

Mark my words. Ive been very accurate about this kind of thing before, and Ill be damned if Im not correct here.

Oh well. My minmitar scout will remain the worst, and my shiny new Min Assault will become the new "OP" as soon as I start using it

Why don't we look at the heart of the problem, shared passives?

Removing them would be such an easy solution, it makes me actually somewhat angry that we haven't done it..

Seriously, what reason is there for not doing this?

It really, seriously, balances scouts without making the cloak a useless piece of shit, which it will be next patch.

Also, can the scout role bonus be changed to 5% dampening again? Please and thank you.

The problem with scouts aren't that they are the best slayers (they're worse than Assaults), its not that they are better at using equipment (they're worse than Logis), its not that they're the best at AV (they're worse than Commando's), its definitely not that they're the best at point defense (they're worse than Heavies), its the fact that they are able to make their entire squad better at eWAR than anything.

One scout with 300 HP seeing people 40 meters away with a red chevron isn't a problem. 5 Sentinels with 1500 HP and an HMG seeing everything within 50 meters is.

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again. If you remove shared passives, scouts lose their main role in PC and organized matches. Only the skilled players who can use it will continue to. Without shared passives, the number of scouts in PC will drop to about half of what it currently is, and heavies will, by the same effect, be reduced in number as they will no longer have the eWAR of a 300 HP scout with the offensive capabilities of a Sentinel.

This in turn gives much more breathing room for Assaults to slay.

The cloak nerf does nothing. Scouts will continue to dominate PC solely because they are needed for shared passives. They just simply won't run a cloak, which means that our role bonus is now a complete and utter waste.

Its like the shield regeneration for Gallente and Amarr Assault, back in the day, but worse.

It simply won't be used. Scouts will find out very soon not to run the cloak when they get surprised by a camping HMG heavy hiding 5 meters away killing them as soon as they shiny-shine walk by.

Mark my words. Ive been very accurate about this kind of thing before, and Ill be damned if Im not correct here.

Oh well. My minmitar scout will remain the worst, and my shiny new Min Assault will become the new "OP" as soon as I start using it

Shared Passives only nerf every other frames, and wouldn't do anything to Scouts other than cause them to have to point out where something is (which is trivial given that it only requires you to speak).

It seems more like a "nerf players w/o mics" ordeal than anything. As for Cloak Fields, they'll still have their uses as it makes you much more harder to spot (and in many cases, invisible).

Here's a better idea. Before we start throwing out doomsday prophecies like how it was before December 21, 2012, how about we wait and see how it really turns out? If nothing changes, oh well. If cloaks really do become crappy, then I will be coming back to this thread to say how wrong I was. Deal?

you guys are so overreacting, the tf2 spy has a decloak delay, AND it make a nice sound, AND YET SPIES DON'T SUFFER

i mean it just mean you gasp use the cloak to gain positioning, not to murder death kill,
and the scan thing is fair, the i can't be seen, can see everyone doesn't have good parity, it's not like you are blind you jsut don't get your passive wallhack, i mean for mediums the passive scans are useless anyway, as they have to be on your face for it to work. so use the cloak to position and then decloak and then kill, it's not hard

and yes now this means if someone spots you while cloaked and gets some shots in they get a slight upper hand, only fair.

Shared Passives only nerf every other frames, and wouldn't do anything to Scouts other than cause them to have to point out where something is (which is trivial given that it only requires you to speak).

It seems more like a "nerf players w/o mics" ordeal than anything. As for Cloak Fields, they'll still have their uses as it makes you much more harder to spot (and in many cases, invisible).

I just don't wanna be shot gunned by a guy that still invisible?! I like passive scans, and giving the cloak a delay will make them vulnerable to something. Proto scout myself, and I must admit that it's easy mode compare to assault?! You just hide and wait for a merc you can clearly see that can't see you?!

Next to turbo controllers there's nothing better in this game than scouts?!

Cloak delay is not an issue. Not in the least. I even advocated for a second delay, 3 times what is actually being implemented.

What I have been against since the first suggestion of it is the 85% reduction to range. That not only affects slayer scouts, which do need some balancing, but it affects hackers as well, which don't need balanced.

OP post makes no sense.

You want to balance scouts (implying that you think they are imbalanced) by making every other suit weaker EXCEPT the scout (loss of the scout's info feed).

So, by that I assume that you feel scouts are Under powered and need a buff? ONLY scouts know where the enemy is and scouts themselves stay invisible yet with very high combat abilities.


I don't even....

in the hacker scenario you are still A near invisible, and B probably at the point have essentially the range of an assault so i wouldn't complain that if you want to hack whilst invisible you are brought back to normal levels for scan range...

in the hacker scenario you are still A near invisible, and B probably at the point have essentially the range of an assault so i wouldn't complain that if you want to hack whilst invisible you are brought back to normal levels for scan range...

IMO, the range nerf is good and logical for a few reasons.

1. Prevents scouts from spotting someone on passives while cloaked 20-30 meters out and slaying them. This makes the cloak a defensive piece of equipment, making it only very useful for escaping or for getting through a battlefront by relying on visual and not tacnet.
2. Prevents scouts from camping a door or objective with a cloak on and ganking a few people by giving the scout a lower time to react, as there could be a lot going on 5 meters out.


Overall, the range nerf while cloaked turns the cloak into a situational piece of equipment, only useful in certain instances, which changes its role from the 1.8 and before essential turn it on whenever you can type of equipment.

Keep in mind, I used to be a scout before it went FoTM

This could be the most ignorant post Ive seen. Scouts are not overpowered from any standpoint other than that they provide shared passives, which makes them commonly used. They are also not underpowered.

In PC's, scouts are used for passives, and heavies for slaying. Taking away shared passives means assaults and scouts and heavies and commandos all slaying together because they are on a balanced playing field.

And your response is equally ignorant. How will a squad no longer being able to see the enemy from their scouts passives make the assaults, scouts, commandos and heavies slay together on a balanced playing field? You will then have tanked scouts then being a clear OP choice in PC since they will have all the situational awareness to themselves and will be able to get the jump on every non scout. At least with shared passives all the heavies know where each other are because both sides are likely to have scouts and scouts are forcing each other to dampen

If SHARED passives are going to be removed from anything, it should be from all non-scout suits because a major part of the role of a scout is to provide intel for the team while picking off targets and placing uplinks in a stealthy manner, and leaving the main slaying to the assaults and the heavies. But of course this cannot be the case without an even harder cloak delay nerf and another hindrance to the slay-everything scouts.

You will notice how scouts are able to top the leaderboards so easily with the most kills in PC because they are so capable of kill chasing. They uncloak and 2-3 shot any poor assault because they can get the jump on him with ewar & cloak. Then they'll throw an RE 20m and kill a group of heavies and logistics.

Removing shared passives doesn't seem to be the answer. Hopefully the cloak range nerf is enough.

For context, I have and am experienced in all roles. It's not bias QQ, hopefully.