DUST Search - Instead of nerfing the cloak...

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Why don't we look at the heart of the problem, shared passives?

Removing them would be such an easy solution, it makes me actually somewhat angry that we haven't done it.. What?

Seriously, what reason is there for not doing this?

It really, seriously, balances scouts without making the cloak a useless piece of shit, which it will be next patch.

Also, can the scout role bonus be changed to 5% dampening again? Please and thank you.

The problem with scouts aren't that they are the best slayers (they're worse than Assaults), its not that they are better at using equipment (they're worse than Logis), its not that they're the best at AV (they're worse than Commando's), its definitely not that they're the best at point defense (they're worse than Heavies), its the fact that they are able to make their entire squad better at eWAR than anything.

One scout with 300 HP seeing people 40 meters away with a red chevron isn't a problem. 5 Sentinels with 1500 HP and an HMG seeing everything within 50 meters is.

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again. If you remove shared passives, scouts lose their main role in PC and organized matches. Only the skilled players who can use it will continue to. Without shared passives, the number of scouts in PC will drop to about half of what it currently is, and heavies will, by the same effect, be reduced in number as they will no longer have the eWAR of a 300 HP scout with the offensive capabilities of a Sentinel.

This in turn gives much more breathing room for Assaults to slay.

The cloak nerf does nothing. Scouts will continue to dominate PC solely because they are needed for shared passives. They just simply won't run a cloak, which means that our role bonus is now a complete and utter waste.

Its like the shield regeneration for Gallente and Amarr Assault, back in the day, but worse.

It simply won't be used. Scouts will find out very soon not to run the cloak when they get surprised by a camping HMG heavy hiding 5 meters away killing them as soon as they shiny-shine walk by.

Mark my words. Ive been very accurate about this kind of thing before, and Ill be damned if Im not correct here.

Oh well. My minmitar scout will remain the worst, and my shiny new Min Assault will become the new "OP" as soon as I start using it Roll


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xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 140	Posted - 2014.10.30 02:54:00 - [1] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Why don't we look at the heart of the problem, shared passives? Removing them would be such an easy solution, it makes me actually somewhat angry that we haven't done it.. Seriously, what reason is there for not doing this? It really, seriously, balances scouts without making the cloak a useless piece of shit, which it will be next patch. Also, can the scout role bonus be changed to 5% dampening again? Please and thank you. The problem with scouts aren't that they are the best slayers (they're worse than Assaults), its not that they are better at using equipment (they're worse than Logis), its not that they're the best at AV (they're worse than Commando's), its definitely not that they're the best at point defense (they're worse than Heavies), its the fact that they are able to make their entire squad better at eWAR than anything. One scout with 300 HP seeing people 40 meters away with a red chevron isn't a problem. 5 Sentinels with 1500 HP and an HMG seeing everything within 50 meters is. Ive said it before, and Ill say it again. If you remove shared passives, scouts lose their main role in PC and organized matches. Only the skilled players who can use it will continue to. Without shared passives, the number of scouts in PC will drop to about half of what it currently is, and heavies will, by the same effect, be reduced in number as they will no longer have the eWAR of a 300 HP scout with the offensive capabilities of a Sentinel. This in turn gives much more breathing room for Assaults to slay. The cloak nerf does nothing. Scouts will continue to dominate PC solely because they are needed for shared passives. They just simply won't run a cloak, which means that our role bonus is now a complete and utter waste. Its like the shield regeneration for Gallente and Amarr Assault, back in the day, but worse. It simply won't be used. Scouts will find out very soon not to run the cloak when they get surprised by a camping HMG heavy hiding 5 meters away killing them as soon as they shiny-shine walk by. Mark my words. Ive been very accurate about this kind of thing before, and Ill be damned if Im not correct here. Oh well. My minmitar scout will remain the worst, and my shiny new Min Assault will become the new "OP" as soon as I start using it Your statements are wrong Scouts are better slayers than assaults, and 50% of the time better for point defense (the first half a scout it there, then when some people start to get annoyed they cant take that point, a heavy replaces the scout). Now with the range nerf for scouts, the cloak will be used more as a get-away tool, and hiding. I a fitting range on my minmitar scout to counter this, (2 complex range=90%...cloak range = -85% 90+-85=5) and i will have an advantage. Yes, shared passives are a problem, but now that the cloak has a huge range reduction, if a scout goes in with a cloak on....he has to stand within 10 metres of every player to share his scans OR run no cloak and stand 20 metres out Make sense?? Either way scouts that are cloaked up will not be as aware (using TACNET, assault could sneak up on 'em within 7 metres) scout ck.0 here!