I believe the point of this thread is to replace the current bonuses for the suits not to add to it.

Likely off the table, yes.

That does not prevent me from expressing my opinion.

Gal Assault
+5% per level to OPTIMAL weapon range with Gal LWs (this would not alter any absolute range values only increase the portion of the weapons current range profile which is considered within its optimal range).


Cal 10% per level reduction to charge time of Caldari weapons
- This would include value for the MagSec
- This would be a substantial buff to the charged sniper, but only applies to the assault suit so would create another sub-set of possible sniper play (numbers/degrees would need some evaluation)

Alternate Cal suggestion
X% improvement to hipfire per level
- This would make tac sniping more viable
- This is intended to happen hand in hand with INCREASED hipfire kick (or dispersion) on the RR to reduce its general CQC application (this is a change that is already being looked into as RR is not supposed to be a strong CQC weapon)
- This would allow another method to touch up the Bolt Pistol by increasing its base spread while still allowing for high levels of function at max assault skills

This would make the Charge Sniper so OP it renders all sniper rifles useless. Besides the real drawback of rail weaponry is kick and its inability to sustain fire in a accurate manner. Not charge up time imho

EDIT

All caldari suits proto. First proto suit was assault

Yeah I like how people weren't buying into arkena and kirks crap so rather than have an intelligent debate about the merits of such buffs we instead go directly to crying to the CPM member on Skype and now we have him honestly considering a incredibly unbalanced by design buff.

It's the buff type. Any buff to range affects ability to *project* dps, which is inherently unbalanced when it comes to assault vs non-assault. Any buff to DPS affects balance of assaults vs non assault. Because the assault suits are so good now, buffs to them should not ever affect up front dps versus other suits, but their ability to project that dps over time - assaults should be used for staying power and durational slaying power not for being the 'I win because i murder 55% harder suit'. Assaults should be oriented towards damage over time, rather than frontloaded damage - this is the template set by the amarr and minmatar. Range is a buff that affects damage over time from a distance which throws assault vs non assault.

It's quite clear that the assault rifle needs a range buff, but that needs to happen to the assault rifle itself - it's in the same rough engagement range as the HMG, which really hurts its function as a primary weapon.

while we're talking about assault bonuses, shouldn't the minmatar assault bonus also benefit mass drivers and flaylocks?

It's mostly in regards to any weapon. If you look at the scrambler rifle or laser rifle they still function very well when used on non-amarr suits, they just function better over extreme lengths of time when used on the amarr suit.

I'll agree that the potential desired buffs on the gallente are a bit wonky to try and find balance for, which is why in one of my previous posts I suggested a reload speed bonus as the primary 'good feeling' bonus, and then the hipfire dispersion reduction as the less obvious but far more performance related buff.

Don't ScPs have subtle heat buildup like the plasma rifle? I think I heard that it can seize up if fired repeatedly. Haven't run into that specifically though ans I haven't the skills for the ammo capacity required to make it work. If so, and the Amarr assault bonus applies to it, then that sounds useful enough to me.

They don't afaik. And that segues nicely into 2 questions I have.

(Disclaimer: I only run Amarr assault to have fun with laz0rs. I have not used the Cal assault in a long long time, since I got my Templar BPO there was no need to use the Dragonfly assault anymore. Same with Gal. I used to use the AR all the time, like everyone, but not for a while now)

1)Gallente and Caldari have by far the most diverse collection of weapons in the game. I therefore donGÇÖt get why a bonus that does not help all of them is a major problem. Example: The Amarr assault bonus only helps TWO weapons (We only have 3, 4 if you count the now-useless AScR). ThatGÇÖs not a valid reason to not use a particular bonus. This is a minor point, but to keep this discussion on track it really should not be forgotten.

2)Why exactly do we have to buff the AR to the point that it would become a viable option to go up against an HMG in CQC? IMO, the point of the AR should be to destroy anyone using a different light weapon in CQC. HMG vs AR should be no contest as the assault is more mobile.

One other thing, which I think is what morte was getting at: The RR is a dominant weapon, it doesnGÇÖt need a whole lot of help, unlike the AR. Why not GÇ£adjustGÇ¥ it to the point it becomes similar to the ScR (would still better than the LR) where it works OK on another suit, but if you really want to make it shine, you need to use the Cal assault? Meaning, increase the BASE charge up time, but with a Cal assault, the charge up time is still LOWER than it is now. Why is that such a horrible idea?

I'm not trying to be an a$$ here, and I acknowlege I have nothing to gain or lose from this, but I'm just curious why these things are or are not part of the discussion.

Rattati does not care about logi suits; thinks they are fine. Most logical explanation.

Have yet to hear anything to the contrary; was told in discussions of prior hotfixes that the other things were "higher priority." So, I have drawn the logical conclusion based on my own personal biases.

1.9 will apparently trump this as well, though I completely agree with that, I'll live with my "relic of 1.7" suit for a little longer to get a buyback option and other highly necessary fixes.

I know YOU care, Cross. It's Rattati I'm not so sure about.