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CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 870	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:33:00 - [1] - Quote SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3624	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:39:00 - [2] - Quote ADS with After Burners aren't invincible anymore. Working as intended. Have fun in Destiny.
Zombie Knife Sinister Souls 18	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:42:00 - [3] - Quote Shut up, pyrex. You are too late, too irrelevant, too old, and probably also too drunk.
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 870	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:44:00 - [4] - Quote Joel II X wrote: ADS with After Burners aren't invincible anymore. Working as intended. Have fun in Destiny. Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Still nice to see you are the voice of this game now. Hows the match making going? enjoying playing with even less people day on day? I see they fixed the farming of starter isk as well so expect to see perhaps 900 people less on at peak times.... GG HF GG HF M8
hfderrtgvcd 555	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:47:00 - [5] - Quote I'm actually pretty satisfied with the changes. Sure, ADS's got hit pretty hard but standard dropships got a pretty significant buff. This encourages dropships to be used as transport and support instead of flying death machines (although they still can be if you have gunners). You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 323	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:55:00 - [6] - Quote Can you make a vid of you sending me all your isk? I'm pretty happy with the ADS changes, although to be fair, i say the hell away from all vehicles. They are just not my bag. I have spent a considrable amount of time running/hiding from tanks & dropships since AV has historically been horrible. Now a casual lonewolf may (or may not, depending on the player) solo an ADS, or at the very least collect a few +75's. Personally, I really enjoy the contibutions you & Squad B have made to this game. Coming to the forums & presenting your opinions in this fasion...i don't know, it's like watchng your mentor phone in their work. I believe your message of let go of the comfortable & try something new & fun since there is so much to try, but it doesn't sound like you are buying your own advertising. If your destiny awaits you, then enjoy...after pass the isk. (who knows, i may invest it all in DS's) Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 90	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:57:00 - [7] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. Dear CEO Pyrex, I am writing you this letter to confirm that the ADS is now dead. Every "gud" pilot that enjoyed this "most unique and interesting aspect" of Dust is no longer able to go 56-0 in public domination, and has therefore come to the forums to ~~provide feedback~~ cry about it. Whilst the situation is regrettable, CCP has arranged for you to have a complimentary Bolt Pistol, which has now replaced the ADS as FOTM. This most unique and interesting pistol is generating more tears than your beloved Flaylock, which consequently also received a buff. Please give it a go and let us know what you think! Cheers, All Your Fans from Da Forums
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3261	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:04:00 - [8] - Quote Pyrex you should do some work out vids, increase that viewer feed... Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun... Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3770	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:07:00 - [9] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 988	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:08:00 - [10] - Quote Go read the hotfix notes What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?

You Are Inferior Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:14:00 - [11] - Quote Lol I don't think I have lost one ship... I take that back a blueberry stole a ship from me... Get on my level bitches and lock your ship doors. It didn't taste like abortion.?.?.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3319	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:34:00 - [12] - Quote I love when he talks about ISK when he's robbed like a Billion from his corp, my absolute favorite is when he created a video saying how a tax rate of 15% or more was pushing it and 20 was high way robbery when his corp has a 10% tax. Tax is designed to fund Planetary Conquest the money is used to cover Clone Packs and the fee for transfering clones from one district to the next. Since his corp is doing neither of those two actions his action is just flat out robbery. Tanker/Logi/Assault
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 223	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:39:00 - [13] - Quote BTW Pyrex the flaylock got buffed u gonna try it out??? 44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault(1.7) 35/0 in a Proto Heavy(1.8) Open Beta Vet-30mil sp R.I.P Dust514
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 567	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:43:00 - [14] - Quote T W A T. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 486	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:48:00 - [15] - Quote I like your videos. Keep them up. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
gustavo acosta Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 301	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:49:00 - [16] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: I like your videos. Keep them up. I'd rather him quit and give me all his isk...because that's the noble thing to do Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
hfderrtgvcd 557	Posted - 2014.09.26 21:51:00 - [17] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: I like your videos. Keep them up. I don't. They're all so negative and depressing You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1551	Posted - 2014.09.26 22:17:00 - [18] - Quote You've been complaining non-stop about this game from the first day you posted to YouTube. It is not surprising then that you played one game, got killed when you decided to take on two AV players, and are now complaining again. History has a way of repeating itself. lolDestiny
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 247	Posted - 2014.09.26 22:39:00 - [19] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. You know the flaylock got buffed.........not as much from the old days though. The Blazing Intellect Machine
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 347	Posted - 2014.09.26 22:42:00 - [20] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Joel II X wrote: ADS with After Burners aren't invincible anymore. Working as intended. Have fun in Destiny. Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Still nice to see you are the voice of this game now. Hows the match making going? enjoying playing with even less people day on day? I see they fixed the farming of starter isk as well so expect to see perhaps 900 people less on at peak times.... GG HF GG HF M8 Pyrex I normally agree with your tactics on your vids, and am subscribed because of your dust vids, but when it comes to balance between AV and ADS you must know that your opinion will be bias?! Like my opinion on the same issue will be for the AV. Why do we need 5 guys swarming you to kill you when you only need one guy to kill all of us.... ALL 16 OF US LIKE 40 TIMES! Have you factored in how much the proto swarms cost just to die 5 or 6 times, and never kill the ADS??!! Maybe, just maybe, the ADS was never meant to fight that way? If you mount three guns with two friendlies on comms, like the rest of us, you could still go 40/0! The pilot just has to know that the first swarm/forge that lands need to be the signal to haul *ss!!! You can't just eat dmg and deal dmg with immunity?! Remember 1.7?? Same thing with ADS. The point is vehicles are great, but you need to be good at it! If I as assault need to proto everything to take you out, and I need help from other guys, then you should have to be proto to fly and survive like that! Same as everyone else! "Anybody order chaos?"

Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 214	Posted - 2014.09.26 22:49:00 - [21] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Joel II X wrote: ADS with After Burners aren't invincible anymore. Working as intended. Have fun in Destiny. Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Still nice to see you are the voice of this game now. Hows the match making going? enjoying playing with even less people day on day? I see they fixed the farming of starter isk as well so expect to see perhaps 900 people less on at peak times.... GG HF GG HF M8 T _ T I thought I liked you... Join the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 83	Posted - 2014.09.26 23:00:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. Heavies devastate rooms full of reds Nova knives can pick off whole teams Re/Shotgun scouts can kill off logi/heavy pairs with ease RR assaults can kill off several reds crossing open ground Snipers can plink away at entire teams Vehicles can hit and run to take on more than one person, wait, they can't? Because if they enter a 300m dome someone might look at their general direction and launch a weapon that can't be countered by skill? (Unless you're on a building heavy match) If you use the advantages of your weapon/vehicle then you should be able to take on more than one person at a time
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5266	Posted - 2014.09.26 23:11:00 - [23] - Quote Pilots have maintained that swarmers need timing, positioning and teamwork to be effective against an ADS. In the scenario you've described, the requisite conditions appear to have been met. Hence AV Success. In the get-away scenario you'd envisioned, the requisite conditions were still met. Yet AV Failure. Herein lies the problem ... The pilot's mantra "teamwork is all swarmers need to kill an ADS" should've read "teamwork is all swarmers need to kill a poorly piloted ADS; otherwise the swarmers absolutely, positively need forge guns". Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 347	Posted - 2014.09.27 02:18:00 - [24] - Quote Pilots are starting to sound a lot like tankers??! "Anybody order chaos?"
Hakyou Brutor Hak's Candy Van 1376	Posted - 2014.09.27 02:41:00 - [25] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Pilots are starting to sound a lot like tankers??! you're starting to sound a lot like a bitch actually that's been going on for awhile now

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 8107	Posted - 2014.09.27 02:43:00 - [26] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Once, I was also killed by two players "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 457	Posted - 2014.09.27 02:44:00 - [27] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. Heavies devastate rooms full of reds Nova knives can pick off whole teams Re/Shotgun scouts can kill off logi/heavy pairs with ease RR assaults can kill off several reds crossing open ground Snipers can plink away at entire teams Vehicles can hit and run to take on more than one person, wait, they can't? Because if they enter a 300m dome someone might look at their general direction and launch a weapon that can't be countered by skill? (Unless you're on a building heavy match) If you use the advantages of your weapon/vehicle then you should be able to take on more than one person at a time All those examples still only require one person to stop. Not 3.
valad II NoGameNoLife 125	Posted - 2014.09.27 02:50:00 - [28] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Sir, Uncle Pyrex, Can I haz ur isk? You don't need that billion playing destiny.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3526	Posted - 2014.09.27 02:52:00 - [29] - Quote Is Pyrex complaining because he died to two coordinated AV players who he thought would be no problem to solo?
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 457	Posted - 2014.09.27 02:53:00 - [30] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. So what I got from that was: I thought I could engage 2 people and if I got hit I could lolAB away. It didn't work so now ADS is now useless. You tanked an incubus and wondered why it handled like a brick.

Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2286	Posted - 2014.09.27 03:09:00 - [31] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. Heavies devastate rooms full of reds Nova knives can pick off whole teams Re/Shotgun scouts can kill off logi/heavy pairs with ease RR assaults can kill off several reds crossing open ground Snipers can plink away at entire teams Vehicles can hit and run to take on more than one person, wait, they can't? Because if they enter a 300m dome someone might look at their general direction and launch a weapon that can't be countered by skill? (Unless you're on a building heavy match) If you use the advantages of your weapon/vehicle then you should be able to take on more than one person at a time They can't do that to the suit/weapon/equipment designed to counter them. E.g. A scout won't take out a room full of GalLogis with scanners. A heavy won't take out a room full of cloaked shotgun scouts, an RR will get melted by a group of LRs in open ground, etc. A/V is the counter to vehicles. Paper beats rock. It shouldn't require several pieces of paper to beat rock. Best PvE idea ever!
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 335	Posted - 2014.09.27 03:30:00 - [32] - Quote @ pyrex You state that all it took was teamwork to take out an ads and now your complaining that it doesn't. Use your advise mate get one of your squadmates to take out the av Ido believe the rof nerf was a bit to harsh though lp cal scout i demand it
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 611	Posted - 2014.09.27 05:09:00 - [33] - Quote lol Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1785	Posted - 2014.09.27 05:16:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Once, I was also killed by two players CEO pyrex has got too used to easy mode, tut tut. That being said, I would love to get Judge Rad involved with this because I honestly do think that while some nerfs were needed (the AB change) you did go a little over the top with the nerf bat. The biggest thing other than the RoF is I keep hearing people say that you nerfed the speed / manoeuvrability of the ADS (normal mode no afterburner on) is this true? I really need to log on my alt n test it for myself. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
CLONE ALPHA 001 G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.09.27 05:25:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Once, I was also killed by two players when did you ever fly an ADS?

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 8140	Posted - 2014.09.27 05:28:00 - [36] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: The biggest thing other than the RoF is I keep hearing people say that you nerfed the speed / manoeuvrability of the ADS (normal mode no afterburner on) is this true? No "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 101	Posted - 2014.09.27 05:29:00 - [37] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. **** off soraya, you have the worst attitude I've ever seen about vehicles. Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3236	Posted - 2014.09.27 05:34:00 - [38] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. **** off soraya, you have the worst attitude I've ever seen about vehicles. There have been worse. He is just the most blunt. Which is impressive, apparently I have lost my sledgehammer edge.
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 101	Posted - 2014.09.27 05:37:00 - [39] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. **** off soraya, you have the worst attitude I've ever seen about vehicles. There have been worse. He is just the most blunt. Which is impressive, apparently I have lost my sledgehammer edge. Gloating because something you didn't like got nerfed isn't being 'blunt', it's being an ass. Assault dropships really weren't that bad. Acting all high and mighty over it is simply obnoxious. Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
MEDICO RITARDATO Dead Man's Game 290	Posted - 2014.09.27 05:43:00 - [40] - Quote Can i hava your isk? I want a templar code... CCP why do you hate shield?

Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:13:00 - [41] - Quote Really? You played one game, died once and quit? Seriously? So this is how it went down. CEO Pyrex joined a game, got his ADS out, killed ONE dude and died. Then he rage quit and came running to the forums. Wow man, just wow. Watch your back because I might be there.
Michael Arck 5799	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:18:00 - [42] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. I chuckled a bit at these lines. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1818	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:18:00 - [43] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. It should take two people to shoot me down. But it should take two people to operate my ADS at maximum efficiency. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 83	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:24:00 - [44] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. Heavies devastate rooms full of reds Nova knives can pick off whole teams Re/Shotgun scouts can kill off logi/heavy pairs with ease RR assaults can kill off several reds crossing open ground Snipers can plink away at entire teams Vehicles can hit and run to take on more than one person, wait, they can't? Because if they enter a 300m dome someone might look at their general direction and launch a weapon that can't be countered by skill? (Unless you're on a building heavy match) If you use the advantages of your weapon/vehicle then you should be able to take on more than one person at a time All those examples still only require one person to stop. Not 3. Bro, do you even forge?
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 83	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:27:00 - [45] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. Heavies devastate rooms full of reds Nova knives can pick off whole teams Re/Shotgun scouts can kill off logi/heavy pairs with ease RR assaults can kill off several reds crossing open ground Snipers can plink away at entire teams Vehicles can hit and run to take on more than one person, wait, they can't? Because if they enter a 300m dome someone might look at their general direction and launch a weapon that can't be countered by skill? (Unless you're on a building heavy match) If you use the advantages of your weapon/vehicle then you should be able to take on more than one person at a time They can't do that to the suit/weapon/equipment designed to counter them. E.g. A scout won't take out a room full of GalLogis with scanners. A heavy won't take out a room full of cloaked shotgun scouts, an RR will get melted by a group of LRs in open ground, etc. A/V is the counter to vehicles. Paper beats rock. It shouldn't require several pieces of paper to beat rock. Missiles are Anti infantry, think of it more like pokemon than RPS
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 180	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:33:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Once, I was also killed by two players Wow even rattatis ganging up on you, you should be nice to Pyrex he promotes your game for free.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3314	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:43:00 - [47] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Pyrex you should do some work out vids, increase that viewer feed... 10/10 would watch that... http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3314	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:44:00 - [48] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. See ya Contrabanpyrex... http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
Beld Errmon Nyain San 1797	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:44:00 - [49] - Quote So glad I retired when the ADS was awesome, get to keep my good memories of it, easily equal to how much fun the tormentor in Quakewars was, my condolences to pilots that still play, but it was always going to happen aircraft in fps games are always hated and nerfing them is an easy win. Retired bittervet.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 963	Posted - 2014.09.27 06:46:00 - [50] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Oh well - back to Destiny. make me unsee it. Please support fair play!

ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 180	Posted - 2014.09.27 07:08:00 - [51] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. **** off soraya, you have the worst attitude I've ever seen about vehicles. There have been worse. He is just the most blunt. Which is impressive, apparently I have lost my sledgehammer edge. Gloating because something you didn't like got nerfed isn't being 'blunt', it's being an ass. Assault dropships really weren't that bad. Acting all high and mighty over it is simply obnoxious. Yeah tell me about it. Soraya-Ooh i got your dropship nerfed that means it was factually op. Daddy Rattati buy me a balloon.
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 397	Posted - 2014.09.27 07:45:00 - [52] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. no its not, Air vehicles> Land Vehicles> infantry if enough infantry work together then yes they should be able to beat you, if the CPM actually did something and it was just a tittle and you werent living off the previous CPM, maybe this ship wouldnt be going down so fast
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 237	Posted - 2014.09.27 08:07:00 - [53] - Quote Is it really so easy to destroy assault dropships now? I completely agree that it should take more than one swarm launcher to destroy one, but before delta they were too hard to kill. I frequently saw matches where multiple people had switched to AV, including me with my forge, to get rid of a dropship who was murdering our team. We couldn't finish it, or if we did it took a lot of time and effort to keep going at it until it makes a mistake or I made a lucky long range forge shot. Meanwhile we would get annihilated by the other team's infantry. Not saying this was all the dropship's fault, but it did need to be made a little easier to kill. It's not enough just to keep the dropship from doing damage because it is still tanking a quarter of the enemy team. It needs to be killable to force it to go elsewhere or for the pilot to try an alternative tactic for a bit before getting out another dropship.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16810	Posted - 2014.09.27 08:27:00 - [54] - Quote Well 2 swarmers did kill him. He made the wrong choice; He stuck around and got rekted in a similar manner of how a two snipers kills a shotgunner they spotted at 300 meters across open field. Where the shotgunner could have ran back and got cover instead he chose to run across the field like an idiot. The correct choice would have been to break los and lock to find a better engagement. He didn't have any squaddies inside to bail to deal with the infantry either two heavy hmgers bailing out as he flew for cover would have ended that AVer's spree. If done any serious amounts of aving you will know that the most lethal thing to most AV is generally not vehicles. Its generally the infantry that support vehicles that proves the most deadliest. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 884	Posted - 2014.09.27 08:32:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Once, I was also killed by two players BUUUURRRRRNNNNN! Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2014.09.27 09:44:00 - [56] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: ... It just reads like you are upset because you can't stomp the **** out of people as easily as you used to. And that because you spent loads of SP on something makes you somehow entitled to require a squad of organised proto to take you down. Maybe there is an issue with ADS right now. I don't know I'm not much of a pilot. But I do know that ADS were a VERY bad gaming experience for those on the receiving end if they didn't have the millions of SP to swap into proto AV. I've seen you do it in your videos, hovering around stomping militia reds without much AV, and loving it. If the current patch reduces your chance of doing that, and increases the need for pilot skill, which maybe you have or maybe you don't, then good. Take a break dude. If you want to play duck hunt, go play duck hunt.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1787	Posted - 2014.09.27 09:46:00 - [57] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: You've been complaining non-stop about this game from the first day you posted to YouTube. It is not surprising then that you played one game, got killed when you decided to take on two AV players, and are now complaining again. History has a way of repeating itself, and I'm glad they took away your crutch -- the game is better for it....Leadfoot p.s. lolDestiny -- the game of boring bots and PvP otherwise known as OHK. Its not so much that Destiny PVP is bad as we have one hit weapons in dust too. Its that it offers nothing new or exciting. Simple cod like arenas. Yes DUST could certainly do with more and new fresh game modes too. Oh and more on topic - ADS are still fine, there is a lot of over hype on this subject. The only things ADS need is 5% RoF bonus instead of the shoddy 3%, possibly a few other touches later (IF we are keeping swarms in their new powerful uber state) "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 671	Posted - 2014.09.27 15:53:00 - [58] - Quote Can you upload that match Pyrex? Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 345	Posted - 2014.09.27 15:58:00 - [59] - Quote Ohking with shotguns, melee and bashing bots for loot on some treasure hunt has gotten the better of you. 'Scouts are balanced' checks wallhacks, sprints the fastest in the game and shotguns out of cloak Mad skills bro...

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 497	Posted - 2014.09.27 16:15:00 - [60] - Quote Ahoy! Aside from any "numbers" and "tables", I'll just post my unofficial, personal opinion here. Assault Dropships were hilariously, ridiculously annoying and resilient. Sure they were relatively rare, but every single game I played where there was 1 or 2 of these beasts, they just dominated the battlefield. Whole squads were herded by them into buildings, below bridges etc. or simply killed on spot. And when me and some others switched to AV, proto or not, our combined effort was only ever enough to drive them off for about half a minute. Then they would be back, full shields and armor, kill a couple AV guys, and just "yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose" when we managed to get another few hits in. I have yet to see how they are in action now, but if anyone thinks they were balanced or good as near-invincible godlike shepherds of the skies, I have to respectfully disagree. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1179	Posted - 2014.09.27 16:54:00 - [61] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. no its not, Air vehicles> Land Vehicles> infantry if enough infantry work together then yes they should be able to beat you, if the CPM actually did something and it was just a tittle and you werent living off the previous CPM, maybe this ship wouldnt be going down so fast Well, it is true that this is how most pilots think, however, most people think there should be some balance, meaning that you would put AV>vehicles>infantry>AV.Yet many pilots don't want anything able to beat them. Because, that's why.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1819	Posted - 2014.09.27 17:25:00 - [62] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. Heavies devastate rooms full of reds Nova knives can pick off whole teams Re/Shotgun scouts can kill off logi/heavy pairs with ease RR assaults can kill off several reds crossing open ground Snipers can plink away at entire teams Vehicles can hit and run to take on more than one person, wait, they can't? Because if they enter a 300m dome someone might look at their general direction and launch a weapon that can't be countered by skill? (Unless you're on a building heavy match) If you use the advantages of your weapon/vehicle then you should be able to take on more than one person at a time They can't do that to the suit/weapon/equipment designed to counter them. E.g. A scout won't take out a room full of GalLogis with scanners. A heavy won't take out a room full of cloaked shotgun scouts, an RR will get melted by a group of LRs in open ground, etc. A/V is the counter to vehicles. Paper beats rock. It shouldn't require several pieces of paper to beat rock. Then we have it impossible for AV to fit another weapon, sidearm or light weapon for commandos. Infantry should always beat paper, right? Increase fitting on AV weaponry so that fitting another weapon is impossible. This is balanced, but a horrible idea. AV shouldn't be a guaranteed kill for any militia suit who happens to be walking by, right? Same for vehicles. The whole point of armor plates and shield extenders and hardeners and afterburners is to resist or escape AV attempts to destroy us. If I tank properly and use complex modules, I should have a very good chance to survive an encounter with AV. AV should always win 1v1 with any given vehicle, but the best vehicle vs the best AV, the AV should exhaust nearly all of its ammo to do so. It shouldn't be "lolmilitiaswarms wreck everything!" Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Sergeant Sazu New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 130	Posted - 2014.09.27 17:35:00 - [63] - Quote I found the problem. "I was hovering over the point..." That gets you killed. "Two dudes jumped out of an LAV..." That didn't throw up any red flags? Stay on the move and land strafing shots. This way, your position is always changing which can cause confusion. Plus, you have initial velocity if you need to escape. I think what's worse is that I'm a very inexperienced ADS pilot (about 3 months) and I'm giving advice to this guy. The pubstomping goes to people's heads, I guess. Breach weapon specialist Behold my... uh, something other than DPS!
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 255	Posted - 2014.09.27 17:43:00 - [64] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Really? You played one game, died once and quit? Seriously? So this is how it went down. CEO Pyrex joined a game, got his ADS out, killed ONE dude and died. Then he rage quit and came running to the forums. Wow man, just wow. Didn't even say nothing about flaylock buff too. I feel like he's done with this game. The Blazing Intellect Machine
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 603	Posted - 2014.09.27 17:55:00 - [65] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. no its not, Air vehicles> Land Vehicles> infantry if enough infantry work together then yes they should be able to beat you, if the CPM actually did something and it was just a tittle and you werent living off the previous CPM, maybe this ship wouldnt be going down so fast This is bs. If you have 6 vehicles out and it takes more than 6 infantry to counter you, then that means 12 ppl on your team must be able to counter you. BS bro. That leaves 10 of your team to Assault a point vs 4. By that consequence, both teams will have to spam vehicles, which is no game. An infantry player can now defeat a vehicle if they have good positioning, the pilot is bad, and they have the proper skills. An ADS can surprise players should they render properly, AB away, and drop off infantry to take the AV out. If two ppl can't kill a commando, too damn bad. Tanks are still terrifying to battle, hence the positioning. Forges have a longer range of use, can snipe infantry off objectives, are used on suits with over 1000 hp. AV is balanced more than it has ever been, you guys just are sad sometimes CEO of GODS AMONG MEN/ Code name: Kronos Friendships are forged by war, enemies by peace Stars Wars Fan4ever, BFront3
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 350	Posted - 2014.09.27 19:26:00 - [66] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Pilots are starting to sound a lot like tankers??! you're starting to sound a lot like a bitch actually that's been going on for awhile now Awww, did poor lil hak not est his wheaties this morning lol! Someone burp him! "Anybody order chaos?"
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 592	Posted - 2014.09.27 19:28:00 - [67] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Can I have your ISK?
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 350	Posted - 2014.09.27 19:38:00 - [68] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Can I have your ISK? A lot of guys have been "quitting" dust because they say they got nerfed lol! What they mean is "CCP took away my safety bubble of invincibility, and I think i'm going to cry" lol! Get over yourselves! Tankers, snipers, and now pilots! Those of you who tank, fly, and snipe could you mail ya boy and tell him he's making you all look like crybabies? I haven't heard about or seen one post where someone reasonable has come up with an adjustment to tactics used to stay alive in a dropship, tank, or sniping! Dying can be just as useful as killing when it's for the team! Assaults die, scouts, die, logi die, AVers die a lot all helping the team! Tankers wanna live forever uncontested, pilots wanna rain supreme with complete dominance, and snipers want battlefield immunity lmao! They wanna kill, but not be killed! Pre-madonnas the lot of you! When I hear how your dealing with the changes and adapting then i'll listen to what doesn't work. Until then i'm just going to laugh every time I see your post..... kinda like how ole hakyou's old lady does when he pulls his pants down "Anybody order chaos?"
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2014.09.27 19:40:00 - [69] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Yes please stay there. Play against AI and pretend you are not just a vehicle noob. Plenty of good DS pilots still do fine. You have not even been here, and you were never good when you were here. The numbers of Dust514 are doing fine. With or without you. Dropships are far more balanced than before. Perhaps since you are an idiot you need some advice, so here it is. You need to get some infamtry support with your noob vehicles. Derps can't do it alone anymore. Infantry support scrub. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 625	Posted - 2014.09.27 19:44:00 - [70] - Quote walks into thread likes Rattatis post walks out Only Dust player with all Proto Weapons Prof 1. 19/19. Pilot, Slayer, Logibro, Heavy, Scout, Tanker, AV'er. Everything.

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 350	Posted - 2014.09.27 19:45:00 - [71] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: I found the problem. "I was hovering over the point..." That gets you killed. "Two dudes jumped out of an LAV..." That didn't throw up any red flags? Stay on the move and land strafing shots. This way, your position is always changing which can cause confusion. Plus, you have initial velocity if you need to escape. I think what's worse is that I'm a very inexperienced ADS pilot (about 3 months) and I'm giving advice to this guy. The pubstomping goes to people's heads, I guess. I stand corrected!!! This guy is officially one of the most sensible pilots I know now! Here's a couple of suggestions you pilots, tankers, and snipers can use! You all love to sit still and rack up kills! You all over commit big time with no plan of escape! 10/10 Sarge! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 351	Posted - 2014.09.27 19:53:00 - [72] - Quote LMAO! Oh god I could stay on this post all day, but I must log in and help the guys lol! Lemme ask you pilots and tankers this: You do realize a swarm launchers only role in the game is to take out vehicles right? Forges can hit troops, but swarms only lock on to vehicles, turrets, and such. With that being said wouldn't one think to get the F out of there once you saw the swarms? It's sole purpose is your demise?! It doesn't care about infantry, equipment, where you are, or what you're doing?! It's already extremely dumb in it's purpose. It's only on the field for YOU!!! Let that sink in. "Anybody order chaos?"
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1559	Posted - 2014.09.27 20:40:00 - [73] - Quote Someone's butthurt they didn't get CPM! LMAO PSN: Mudluck 843 HQ: www.843.enjin.com Highest ever Thunderdome Win/Loss Title holder - 18-1
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 90	Posted - 2014.09.27 20:43:00 - [74] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. Hell TRUDAT SIS wow im i think first time with CPM "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1005	Posted - 2014.09.27 20:47:00 - [75] - Quote I know the feels Pyrex. Now Swarm launching scum are our kryptonite and AB's take forever to reload and so does recalling Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 91	Posted - 2014.09.27 20:51:00 - [76] - Quote With all respect (nope with repsec XD), i know Pyrex is pilot boyo, but there is a question. Why do you think there is need for more than one guy to take down the DS?! Hell its dropship not a tactical bombarder "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
stitcheract Savage Bullet 2	Posted - 2014.09.28 16:38:00 - [77] - Quote I agree with Ceopyrex,I know u guys want to have a debate about what works or what not. But facts are on the table,u might be a pilot or a ground force,but we all go throught out all the stages of this game. Back on beta I was a sniper,got chewed up on the battled field by people with more skills. Then I went assault,heavy and scout..but just as we all know ,we can only do the same thing over and over again for so long. So I skilled up on dropships,other people went for tanks..and each face of this game has its beauty and fun. We Vets paid our dues and we did grind enough to deserve what we acomplished. Now all the noobs want to be pampered and not paid your dues like we did,that's fine to a point. As a pilot all I see now is CCP taking a 3 dimention game and turn it in to a 2 dimention. Would I use rail guns again...nope, and I would love to put a ticket to get a refund for my millions of isk spent on skilling them up. So when u guys get tank spammed, u might think wow would be nice to have some pilot chasing those tanks. As I see it now..I won't quit this game but I have played enough to know that only takes time for Ccp to buff and nerf everything in a never ending cicle of kissing noobs asses...cause at the end of the day they only want you to skill up on everything that is working great for a while and take ur hard erned skills away so u will skill up in some other thing. Until you babies cry OP again...like oh yes the bolt pistol go ahead and skill up to level 5,grind your ass out for it and wait til the next hotfix. Just remember that one day u will be a vet,bored of the same maps,same tactics and u will want to try another dimention of the game. Oh wait you won't be able to cause you will have a pile of **** to choose from cause noobs always complain. I never even onced complained about anything,took it like a man from noob stages,grinded enough and killed enough to deserve my Sp. I will split my time now with destiny and dust feeling like it will be more and more destiny than dust as time goes by.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16882	Posted - 2014.09.29 00:54:00 - [78] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: Someone's butthurt they didn't get CPM! LMAO I don't think Pyrex ran for candidacy. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3315	Posted - 2014.09.29 01:49:00 - [79] - Quote stitcheract wrote: I agree with Ceopyrex,I know u guys want to have a debate about what works or what not. But facts are on the table,u might be a pilot or a ground force,but we all go throught out all the stages of this game. Back on beta I was a sniper,got chewed up on the battled field by people with more skills. Then I went assault,heavy and scout..but just as we all know ,we can only do the same thing over and over again for so long. So I skilled up on dropships,other people went for tanks..and each face of this game has its beauty and fun. We Vets paid our dues and we did grind enough to deserve what we acomplished. Now all the noobs want to be pampered and not paid your dues like we did,that's fine to a point. As a pilot all I see now is CCP taking a 3 dimention game and turn it in to a 2 dimention. Would I use rail guns again...nope, and I would love to put a ticket to get a refund for my millions of isk spent on skilling them up. So when u guys get tank spammed, u might think wow would be nice to have some pilot chasing those tanks. As I see it now..I won't quit this game but I have played enough to know that only takes time for Ccp to buff and nerf everything in a never ending cicle of kissing noobs asses...cause at the end of the day they only want you to skill up on everything that is working great for a while and take ur hard erned skills away so u will skill up in some other thing. Until you babies cry OP again...like oh yes the bolt pistol go ahead and skill up to level 5,grind your ass out for it and wait til the next hotfix. Just remember that one day u will be a vet,bored of the same maps,same tactics and u will want to try another dimention of the game. Oh wait you won't be able to cause you will have a pile of **** to choose from cause noobs always complain. I never even onced complained about anything,took it like a man from noob stages,grinded enough and killed enough to deserve my Sp. I will split my time now with destiny and dust feeling like it will be more and more destiny than dust as time goes by. Wall of Text takes cover http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2014.09.29 03:51:00 - [80] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Joel II X wrote: ADS with After Burners aren't invincible anymore. Working as intended. Have fun in Destiny. Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Still nice to see you are the voice of this game now. Hows the match making going? enjoying playing with even less people day on day? I see they fixed the farming of starter isk as well so expect to see perhaps 900 people less on at peak times.... GG HF GG HF M8 I mean i couldnt even play devils advocate. You did mention that you disregarded the infantry as any threat. If you are used to looking over two av'ers while flying solo then there is a issue here. Just because you spent 200k isk on a golden horse doesnt mean you are untouchable. Lesson learned? Fluoride uranium carbon potassium bismuth technetium helium sulfur germanium thulium Molybdenum neon yttrium

RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1009	Posted - 2014.09.29 06:25:00 - [81] - Quote Captain Hindsight here, What should have been done was to increase the ADS HP at the same rate the transport versions were upgraded. The transport drop ships are perfect now. You can actually get somewhere without exploding all your friends, and violently spraying their remains all over your destination. After that change the dropship, repper, and hardener modules to a ridiculous cool down and repair rate. Just the drops ships, not the tanks. Tanks have a slower re-engagement speed and shouldn't have been anywhere near the same cool down cycles as dropships. The cool down cycle for ADS's should be balanced against the time it takes to fly back to the redline call in a new one while recalling the damaged one, because if it sucks worse than that then it's what people will do. And get rid of the stupid MCC to MCC and null cannon instant death missles. If there were, faster than you could react, balls of death shooting across the ground instantly killing troops and tanks, how many people would think "that's fine, please don't remove this feature"? Also why all the Pyrex hate? The guy has entertained many of us for quite a long time. His video's were always a good antithesis to the forum troll's viewpoints. The fitting advice was generally bad, but always entertaining. The card game? Let's see if a Destiny playerbase card game gets made. Destiny will burn out before anyone gives that much of a crap, somewhere around the sequel announcement. Some of the best things about Dust have been it's downfall. The small payer base being at the top of the list. Pyrex has always provided excellent commentary to the game, for me at least, but I guess bagging on anyone that genuinely gives twoshits is the forum way. I'll be bummed if I don't see any more Dust content out of Pyrex. Even taking into account the Dust is a Prison video.
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 74	Posted - 2014.09.29 07:42:00 - [82] - Quote you are not supposed to be invincible, working as intendend, deal with it.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3829	Posted - 2014.09.29 13:57:00 - [83] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Gloating because something you didn't like got nerfed isn't being 'blunt', it's being an ass. Assault dropships really weren't that bad. Acting all high and mighty over it is simply obnoxious. Really, I don't have personal problems with the ADS. (I tend to use a forge gun, which generally works well.) But it doesn't make them any less hilariously OP, and any less deserving of a nerf. It isn't about the dropships at all, if anything, it's heckling people who are very apparently grossly trying to protect their OPness, rather than realizing good balance will make the game better for everyone. Note there are some ADS pilots who have made legitimate commentary. That they want a chance to kill infantry, just as infantry has a chance to kill them. I am totally cool with that, and if changes can be made to better enable fair gameplay between the two, I am all for it. But people talking about how their dropship shouldn't be killable by this or that, they're going to get the troll response. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
John ShepardIII DUST University 724	Posted - 2014.09.29 14:01:00 - [84] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Try putting a shield booster The True Shepard. Helping noobs everywhere
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1807	Posted - 2014.09.29 14:08:00 - [85] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: Gloating because something you didn't like got nerfed isn't being 'blunt', it's being an ass. Assault dropships really weren't that bad. Acting all high and mighty over it is simply obnoxious. Really, I don't have personal problems with the ADS. (I tend to use a forge gun, which generally works well.) But it doesn't make them any less hilariously OP, and any less deserving of a nerf. It isn't about the dropships at all, if anything, it's heckling people who are very apparently grossly trying to protect their OPness, rather than realizing good balance will make the game better for everyone. Note there are some ADS pilots who have made legitimate commentary. That they want a chance to kill infantry, just as infantry has a chance to kill them. I am totally cool with that, and if changes can be made to better enable fair gameplay between the two, I am all for it. But people talking about how their dropship shouldn't be killable by this or that, they're going to get the troll response. Soraya in a lot of ways you have managed to achieve good balance with the assault dropships. However there are a few things we must also address in the interests of fairness. Small Turrets I would like to hear other peoples opinion but as it stands we are back to the Missile launcher being the king ADS weapon again. Small blaster seem great for door gunning work however they are never going to cut it as the ADS main weapon. Small railgun RoF was reduced a little bit too much, it needs some of that RoF back. Small blasters - shall we just assume that they are not intended for ADS pilot work and are instead actually now a pretty good anti infantry weapon for other vehicles and side door gunners on dropships? Small missiles - are great and should be the standard we judge by. Redline Anti Aircraft AV / Red line tanks This is a smaller issue but it is still prevalent on certain maps. A single railgun tank can still shutdown a big portion of some maps for an AD pilot with near immunity. A Missile tank could probably do just as good of a job however the are less common. I cant say I know what the exact solution should be other than give ADS pilots a slightly larger redline zone so we can go in an attack for additional time? "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16892	Posted - 2014.09.29 15:04:00 - [86] - Quote Fighter > Gunship > ADS HAV > MAV > SLAV CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5389	Posted - 2014.09.29 16:25:00 - [87] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought You won that argument with that one phrase. Bravo. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5389	Posted - 2014.09.29 16:29:00 - [88] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. **** off soraya, you have the worst attitude I've ever seen about vehicles. Then you don't remember either me or Atiim? A pity. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 419	Posted - 2014.09.29 17:02:00 - [89] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. Heavies devastate rooms full of reds Nova knives can pick off whole teams Re/Shotgun scouts can kill off logi/heavy pairs with ease RR assaults can kill off several reds crossing open ground Snipers can plink away at entire teams Vehicles can hit and run to take on more than one person, wait, they can't? Because if they enter a 300m dome someone might look at their general direction and launch a weapon that can't be countered by skill? (Unless you're on a building heavy match) If you use the advantages of your weapon/vehicle then you should be able to take on more than one person at a time Amen. There is this little feature they added to this game called "fittings". If you fit for defense then you should get the benefit of it. This can be countered by nerfing the hell out the basic turrets that would be the only thing that could be fitted on a well defended vehicle. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
dinkum tachyglossus EMU Flight Group 4	Posted - 2014.10.09 00:43:00 - [90] - Quote Mercs can we get the following to be a popular idea. Why not on the next Monday meeting of the CPM after all business has been competed.... Lets get Judge, Soraya Xel and CEOPyrex CloneA to make a long episode of "Three mercs in an ADS". Lets say about 10 games, Judge supplying the ADS' and each person taking it in turn to fly and gun. All the while they can have a pleasant discussion of the present state of the ADS. Now who would like to see that video on Youtube it could be along the line of a Presidential debate with Dennie Fleetfoot as moderator. Even on twitch tv.

ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 211	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:50:00 - [91] - Quote In b4 Sorayas excuses.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4750	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:54:00 - [92] - Quote dinkum tachyglossus wrote: Mercs can we get the following to be a popular idea. Why not on the next Monday meeting of the CPM after all business has been competed.... Lets get Judge, Soraya Xel and CEOPyrex CloneA to make a long episode of "Three mercs in an ADS". Lets say about 10 games, Judge supplying the ADS' and each person taking it in turn to fly and gun. All the while they can have a pleasant discussion of the present state of the ADS. Now who would like to see that video on Youtube it could be along the line of a Presidential debate with Dennie Fleetfoot as moderator. Even on twitch tv. Not sure if this would be constructive or the makings of a sitcomGÇª The title "Three mercs in an ADS" suggest sitcom I like it KRRROOOOOOM
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 485	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:12:00 - [93] - Quote Mr CEOPyrex, Everyone said the forge gun was a problem "Recalling when Team view was a factor". CCP went and nerfed things that didn't need to be nerfed and we NEVER ONCE GOT ANY NUMBERS SUPPORTING THE NERF. Just a bunch of butt hurt people on the forms upset that they didn't understand what was happening to them. Now the Forge Gun is a over glorified sniper riffle. I throw up a little everytime I think about using the bastraization the gun has become after all the extra balancing that happened in spite of team view being removed. That was some ones AGENDA to nerf that gun.. NO NUMBERS WHERE EVER POSTED. Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13427	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:12:00 - [94] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Joel II X wrote: ADS with After Burners aren't invincible anymore. Working as intended. Have fun in Destiny. Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Still nice to see you are the voice of this game now. Hows the match making going? enjoying playing with even less people day on day? I see they fixed the farming of starter isk as well so expect to see perhaps 900 people less on at peak times.... GG HF GG HF M8 Sounds like something I said about tanks once......... * Adamance slumps to the floor as Atiim puts a bullet in his head. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1638	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:17:00 - [95] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: SO i just got home for the week from work and thought i would quickly check out Hotfix Delta and see what the buzz was. Loaded in and went straight into a game, heard some noise about dropship changes so thought i would stat here. Dropship comes in and i start flying away. my first thought was "did i call in a gorgon?" i had to check and fire a round to check it was an ADS. Okay so it handles now like a chopper carrying a skip loaded with used washing machines. Okay well fair enough lets go see what it can do. Hovering over the point i see two dudes jump out of an LAV and immediately look up at me with the same look a tiger gives that little gazelle before someone turns into a buffet luncheon. Nevermind i think, i can take two dudes on....... 4 swarms later im lying on the floor surrounded by smoking wreckage with my front teeth in my hands and my balls slightly aching..... "wow swarms hit hard now" So even tho i was in a pretty tanked Incubus and even tho i kicked the afterburner expecting to yolo out of there like Maverick and Goose, it all went wrong. So i have to ask, why CCP would you severely limit the functionality of one of the most unique and interesting aspects of a very mediocre game? Dropships gave this game a certain 'flair' and frankly are still incredibly overpriced for there now apparent capabilities. I recall someone telling me 'this is due to the numbers saying they are OP' well if the numbers are correct, then your game is also a massive failure and you should just shut down the servers now.....going by the numbers....if they are that important to you. Is anyone alive at the wheel of this game anymore? feels like its pretty much just the 'number boyz' now pushing their own agendas. This continues to show an every increasing slide into balancing being all that matters. Oh well - back to Destiny. Once, I was also killed by two players Once, I was killed in 2 seconds with the tankiest of vehicles. Once, I was killed by nothing. More than once actually, more like 216 times. Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13427	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:18:00 - [96] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Well interesting point, they actually never were invincible you know.... if you had the ability to..... like be good.... and work as a team, no dropship in the game was safe.... Here's the problem Pyrex: * You thought you could (and should) be able to take on two guys no problem. * You think at least two guys should be needed to kill you. In short: You think you should always be more powerful than infantry, and that thought is wrong. **** off soraya, you have the worst attitude I've ever seen about vehicles. There have been worse. He is just the most blunt. Which is impressive, apparently I have lost my sledgehammer edge. I almost consider Xoraya the Spkr4theDead or Takahiro of AVer's. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Mary Sedillo Thunder's Throne 323	Posted - 2014.10.09 06:15:00 - [97] - Quote Umm -- not saying we should ALWAYS be better than infantry, but unless you are fronting the bill... maybe you don't have a great stake in the balance of our flying vehicles. :)
rpastry The Rainbow Effect 246	Posted - 2014.10.09 10:15:00 - [98] - Quote Mediocre pilot gets killed by AV and whines. Old story. I've played both sides of that story; I've duelled on towers with forges, I've ran and hidden with swarms, I've flown incubi and pythons I've lived,died and killed with all of the above. Right now the balance is the best its ever been. Skill > Gear. [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 79	Posted - 2014.10.09 10:42:00 - [99] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well 2 swarmers did kill him. He made the wrong choice; He stuck around and got rekted in a similar manner of how a two snipers kills a shotgunner they spotted at 300 meters across open field. Where the shotgunner could have ran back and got cover instead he chose to run across the field like an idiot. The correct choice would have been to break los and lock to find a better engagement. He didn't have any squaddies inside to bail to deal with the infantry either two heavy hmgers bailing out as he flew for cover would have ended that AVer's spree. If done any serious amounts of aving you will know that the most lethal thing to most AV is generally not vehicles. Its generally the infantry that support vehicles that proves the most deadliest. ^This. People keep bringing up "Rock/Paper/Scissors" but, when discussing AV/V balance, so many seem to conveniently ignore the Scissors' influence (in this instance, Rock = AV, Paper = V, and Scissors = Infantry). While focussing on a vehicle, AV is EXTREMELY vulnerable to enemy infantry. The vehicle and the AV are not the only people out there. A vehicle should need to rely on it's allied infantry to suppress the AV and, conversely, the AV should ALSO need to rely on IT'S allied infantry to protect them while they deal with the vehicle. Proper use of teamwork should provide an advantage on BOTH sides, as it creates a more dynamic battle, and a better gameplay evperience for everyone. Long story short: STOP looking at AV/V balance in terms of 1v1 engagements, and START thinking about how TEAMWORK can be used to increase your advantage, regardless of which side of the AV/V debate you happen to be on.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 220	Posted - 2014.10.09 11:15:00 - [100] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well 2 swarmers did kill him. He made the wrong choice; He stuck around and got rekted in a similar manner of how a two snipers kills a shotgunner they spotted at 300 meters across open field. Where the shotgunner could have ran back and got cover instead he chose to run across the field like an idiot. The correct choice would have been to break los and lock to find a better engagement. He didn't have any squaddies inside to bail to deal with the infantry either two heavy hmgers bailing out as he flew for cover would have ended that AVer's spree. If done any serious amounts of aving you will know that the most lethal thing to most AV is generally not vehicles. Its generally the infantry that support vehicles that proves the most deadliest. ^This. People keep bringing up "Rock/Paper/Scissors" but, when discussing AV/V balance, so many seem to conveniently ignore the Scissors' influence (in this instance, Rock = AV, Paper = V, and Scissors = Infantry). While focussing on a vehicle, AV is EXTREMELY vulnerable to enemy infantry. The vehicle and the AV are not the only people out there. A vehicle should need to rely on it's allied infantry to suppress the AV and, conversely, the AV should ALSO need to rely on IT'S allied infantry to protect them while they deal with the vehicle. Proper use of teamwork should provide an advantage on BOTH sides, as it creates a more dynamic battle, and a better gameplay evperience for everyone. Long story short: STOP looking at AV/V balance in terms of 1v1 engagements, and START thinking about how TEAMWORK can be used to increase your advantage, regardless of which side of the AV/V debate you happen to be on. Sorry but thats a horrible way to look at this game. AV vs Vehicles with the exception of swarms is 50-50 based on skill. AV can fight vs infantry, Forge guns, plasma cannons, commando's wth plasma or swarms + light weapons, sidearms got a huge buff, with the exception of swarm launcher gallente, caldari and minamatar logis. Swarm launcher is just one type of AV. Its the only lock on weapon in the game, the only one thats fire and forget. Stop expanding one type of suit with one type of fit to encompass all of AV. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1329	Posted - 2014.10.09 11:56:00 - [101] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Fighter > Gunship > ADS HAV > MAV > SLAV You Sir! please stop mentioning items that might not even be in Legion... nevermind Dust Every second thread I see you in it's a pile of fabled BS. Get the facts... 3 out of 6 vehicles you mention never existed in Dust and the ones that are here had to be stripped back to basics because they were broken.... So it hardly means anything to balance with you laying out LIES! Innapropriate Irrelevence... Welcome to the Dust Forum, hang around to see why everyone else left :/
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2014.10.09 12:18:00 - [102] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well 2 swarmers did kill him. He made the wrong choice; He stuck around and got rekted in a similar manner of how a two snipers kills a shotgunner they spotted at 300 meters across open field. Where the shotgunner could have ran back and got cover instead he chose to run across the field like an idiot. The correct choice would have been to break los and lock to find a better engagement. He didn't have any squaddies inside to bail to deal with the infantry either two heavy hmgers bailing out as he flew for cover would have ended that AVer's spree. If done any serious amounts of aving you will know that the most lethal thing to most AV is generally not vehicles. Its generally the infantry that support vehicles that proves the most deadliest. ^This. People keep bringing up "Rock/Paper/Scissors" but, when discussing AV/V balance, so many seem to conveniently ignore the Scissors' influence (in this instance, Rock = AV, Paper = V, and Scissors = Infantry). While focussing on a vehicle, AV is EXTREMELY vulnerable to enemy infantry. The vehicle and the AV are not the only people out there. A vehicle should need to rely on it's allied infantry to suppress the AV and, conversely, the AV should ALSO need to rely on IT'S allied infantry to protect them while they deal with the vehicle. Proper use of teamwork should provide an advantage on BOTH sides, as it creates a more dynamic battle, and a better gameplay evperience for everyone. Long story short: STOP looking at AV/V balance in terms of 1v1 engagements, and START thinking about how TEAMWORK can be used to increase your advantage, regardless of which side of the AV/V debate you happen to be on. Sorry but thats a horrible way to look at this game. AV vs Vehicles with the exception of swarms is 50-50 based on skill. AV can fight vs infantry, Forge guns, plasma cannons, commando's wth plasma or swarms + light weapons, sidearms got a huge buff, with the exception of swarm launcher gallente, caldari and minamatar logis. Swarm launcher is just one type of AV. Its the only lock on weapon in the game, the only one thats fire and forget. Stop expanding one type of suit with one type of fit to encompass all of AV. Relying on teamwork is a horrible way to look at a game that is focussed on teamwork? You're kidding, right? Read again: WHILE FOCUSING ON A VEHICLE, AV is EXTREMELY vulnerable to enemy infantry. (I emphasized the part you seem to have missed) Whether an AV is dodging around, looking at the sky trying to get a lock on an ADS with their Swarms, or a Forge Gunner is aiming at an HAV trying to get a clear shot at it's weak spot, guess what NEITHER of them are also doing? Watching their back for enemy infantry. Yes, a Commando can carry two light weapons, but he cannot USE two light weapons simultaneously. While he's got his Swarm Launcher out, he CANNOT defend himself against infantry AT ALL. If he switches to a rifle, he's then vulnerable to the vehicle. To be fully effective, ANY AV should need teammates to watch his back WHILE HE DEALS WITH THE VEHICLE. At the same time, ANY vehicle should be more effective at combatting AV with the support of their allied boots on the ground. They can follow the AV behind cover and get to them where the vehicle cannot, and take them out easily while their attention is on the vehicle. Properly balanced, Rock/Paper/Scissors works for everyone. Rock/Paper - by itself - doesn't work at all. For BOTH sides, Teamwork >>>>> 1v1 engagements.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 165	Posted - 2014.10.09 13:06:00 - [103] - Quote dinkum tachyglossus wrote: Mercs can we get the following to be a popular idea. Why not on the next Monday meeting of the CPM after all business has been competed.... Lets get Judge, Soraya Xel and CEOPyrex CloneA to make a long episode of "Three mercs in an ADS". Lets say about 10 games, Judge supplying the ADS' and each person taking it in turn to fly and gun. All the while they can have a pleasant discussion of the present state of the ADS. Now who would like to see that video on Youtube it could be along the line of a Presidential debate with Dennie Fleetfoot as moderator. Even on twitch tv. XD "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Tinker of HAWC"
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 221	Posted - 2014.10.09 13:20:00 - [104] - Quote What you are saying about ''watching your back"' applies to anything that holds you attention. AV are not special. Logis who are focusing on reps get killed. The assault shooting at one enemy he can see infront of him getting flanked by an invisib scout gets killed. The heavy focusing on the enemy in front of him stead of the remotes he cant see or pick up on scans gets gets killed. The scout running around who stumbles infromt of an HMG gets killed. Teamwork multipies you effectivness of course. But you should NOT have to rely on strangers to do something you should be able to do yourself. i can rely on my side arm, my plasma cannon, might light weapons on my minando and my forge gun to defend against infantry. I can use my tanks because they have the HP to take hits, get around cover and get the hell out of dodge. The ADS should be able to take on swarmers. on pilot skill alone, I can try to take on multiple forges 9no matter how ill advised it may be) because not every single one of the forge rounds is a garunteed hit. Every single swarm volley is. 1 vs 1 Its not even close to a fair fight, its BS. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 81	Posted - 2014.10.09 13:34:00 - [105] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: What you are saying about ''watching your back"' applies to anything that holds you attention. AV are not special. Logis who are focusing on reps get killed. The assault shooting at one enemy he can see infront of him getting flanked by an invisib scout gets killed. The heavy focusing on the enemy in front of him stead of the remotes he cant see or pick up on scans gets gets killed. The scout running around who stumbles infromt of an HMG gets killed. Teamwork multipies you effectivness of course. But you should NOT have to rely on strangers to do something you should be able to do yourself. i can rely on my side arm, my plasma cannon, might light weapons on my minando and my forge gun to defend against infantry. I can use my tanks because they have the HP to take hits, get around cover and get the hell out of dodge. The ADS should be able to take on swarmers. on pilot skill alone, I can try to take on multiple forges 9no matter how ill advised it may be) because not every single one of the forge rounds is a garunteed hit. Every single swarm volley is. 1 vs 1 Its not even close to a fair fight, its BS. Correction: A SINGLE player in an ADS should be able to take on a SINGLE Swarmer by himself, with the winner determined by skill alone (and vice versa). If one side applies teamwork, then the other should be at a disadvantage, or respond in kind with teamwork of their own. Teamwork >>>>>>> solo.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 228	Posted - 2014.10.09 15:58:00 - [106] - Quote He said the D-word! What Do you expect to find there? More rewarding gameplay? Hah! The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo


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