Just to make one point, I tried all night to just play swarm AV. Proto swarms, not full skills, triple dmg mods.

I lost more suits than I have ever lost in a night, and I didn't kill a single dropship, nor a tank. One time I swear the ADS wagged at me as I launched the 3 death swarm, turned around and blasted away and came back to kill me.

Admittedly, not the best AVer out there, but, it's not only about not being able to kill vehicles, it's all the times I am trying to chase a double hit dropship or HAV, and get shot by any other infantry. I died 50% from not being able to defend my self against infantry, and the rest by blaster tanks or missile turret ads's.

Militia swarms being a threat is class A bs.

Just to make one point, I tried all night to just play swarm AV. Proto swarms, not full skills, triple dmg mods.

I lost more suits than I have ever lost in a night, and I didn't kill a single dropship, nor a tank. One time I swear the ADS wagged at me as I launched the 3 death swarm, turned around and blasted away and came back to kill me.

Admittedly, not the best AVer out there, but, it's not only about not being able to kill vehicles, it's all the times I am trying to chase a double hit dropship or HAV, and get shot by any other infantry. I died 50% from not being able to defend my self against infantry, and the rest by blaster tanks or missile turret ads's.

Militia swarms being a threat is class A bs.

Good.

A ridiculous free suit shouldn't be able to do anything to a million isk vehicle.


There is a thing called value to consider.

Now, had you friends helping out or god forbid a forge gun you would have killed all of your targets. And had you played commando you would've been able to fight off infantry threats and drive away vehicle threats.


So don't use a free suit and expect value.

I suppose you didn't see the part where he said he was using proto, doesn't sound like a free suit to me.

Just to make one point, I tried all night to just play swarm AV. Proto swarms, not full skills, triple dmg mods.

I lost more suits than I have ever lost in a night, and I didn't kill a single dropship, nor a tank. One time I swear the ADS wagged at me as I launched the 3 death swarm, turned around and blasted away and came back to kill me.

Admittedly, not the best AVer out there, but, it's not only about not being able to kill vehicles, it's all the times I am trying to chase a double hit dropship or HAV, and get shot by any other infantry. I died 50% from not being able to defend my self against infantry, and the rest by blaster tanks or missile turret ads's.

Militia swarms being a threat is class A bs.

Good.

A ridiculous free suit shouldn't be able to do anything to a million isk vehicle.


There is a thing called value to consider.

Now, had you friends helping out or god forbid a forge gun you would have killed all of your targets. And had you played commando you would've been able to fight off infantry threats and drive away vehicle threats.

Now if an ADS is flying so fast he can't be hit by swarms, he can't hit his targets on the ground either. That means without killing him, you nullified him as a threat. If you want that to feel more rewarding I recommend you change the acceleration, but not the top speed, of an ADS. That allows quick blow-throughs to outrun all swarms, as they should be able to, but doesn't allow them to escape when they've been hovering around like jackasses because they won't be able to accelerate to that top speed fast enough.


Just don't use a free suit and expect value, because you deserve none.

It's true, I didn't. I'm so used to reading blather that I read the top line, then read the bottom line, and assume everything in the middle is stupidity. I like to give Rattati the benefit of the doubt where possible, but he did mention militia's so I assumed he was attempting to justify a buff across the board. That would be a mistake.

I'm no expert here, but, those sound like fighting words..

And too many damage mods, come on.

I feel like I need to do a stream and show you how its done properly.

Just to make one point, I tried all night to just play swarm AV. Proto swarms, not full skills, triple dmg mods.

I lost more suits than I have ever lost in a night, and I didn't kill a single dropship, nor a tank. One time I swear the ADS wagged at me as I launched the 3 death swarm, turned around and blasted away and came back to kill me.

Admittedly, not the best AVer out there, but, it's not only about not being able to kill vehicles, it's all the times I am trying to chase a double hit dropship or HAV, and get shot by any other infantry. I died 50% from not being able to defend my self against infantry, and the rest by blaster tanks or missile turret ads's.

Militia swarms being a threat is class A bs.

Just to make one point, I tried all night to just play swarm AV. Proto swarms, not full skills, triple dmg mods.

I lost more suits than I have ever lost in a night, and I didn't kill a single dropship, nor a tank. One time I swear the ADS wagged at me as I launched the 3 death swarm, turned around and blasted away and came back to kill me.

Admittedly, not the best AVer out there, but, it's not only about not being able to kill vehicles, it's all the times I am trying to chase a double hit dropship or HAV, and get shot by any other infantry. I died 50% from not being able to defend my self against infantry, and the rest by blaster tanks or missile turret ads's.

Militia swarms being a threat is class A bs.

i was going for ultimate max dmg to "prove a point"

i was going for ultimate max dmg to "prove a point"

i dont recommend light av weapons on anything other than commandos. which btw would be great if you found a way to give caldari commandos a bonus to swarms.

the ability to defend against infantry as well as vehicles is the strength of the commando class IMO.

People in this thread are obviously underestimating the skill it takes to activate an afterburner, get out of dodge in 4-5 seconds, and come back to the same spot moments later fully healed and with your afterburner immediately out of cooldown.

When will AV learn that I'm entitled to murder any and everyone from the sky because so many skill points such skill wow.

yeah beacuse swarms look like a rail weapon to me too. Use a min commando if you want a swarm bonus.

ADS are faster than swarms.

Just to make one point, I tried all night to just play swarm AV. Proto swarms, not full skills, triple dmg mods.

I lost more suits than I have ever lost in a night, and I didn't kill a single dropship, nor a tank. One time I swear the ADS wagged at me as I launched the 3 death swarm, turned around and blasted away and came back to kill me.

Admittedly, not the best AVer out there, but, it's not only about not being able to kill vehicles, it's all the times I am trying to chase a double hit dropship or HAV, and get shot by any other infantry. I died 50% from not being able to defend my self against infantry, and the rest by blaster tanks or missile turret ads's.

Militia swarms being a threat is class A bs.

Just to make one point, I tried all night to just play swarm AV. Proto swarms, not full skills, triple dmg mods.

I lost more suits than I have ever lost in a night, and I didn't kill a single dropship, nor a tank. One time I swear the ADS wagged at me as I launched the 3 death swarm, turned around and blasted away and came back to kill me.

Admittedly, not the best AVer out there, but, it's not only about not being able to kill vehicles, it's all the times I am trying to chase a double hit dropship or HAV, and get shot by any other infantry. I died 50% from not being able to defend my self against infantry, and the rest by blaster tanks or missile turret ads's.

Militia swarms being a threat is class A bs.

The problem is this.^

an ads pilot will post and complain about how powerful they are, how they should be "area denial weapons" and they should not be able to destroy an ads single handed...

but yet for all that noise they will circle back to the same person, over and over and over:

they know that if the first volley didn't kill them none of the others will either.
they are not even doing area denial if the ads pilot does not feel the need to avoid a player that they know has swarms.
there is literally no sense in approaching a genuine threat over and over again, therefore they are not a threat.

as for people wanting av to destroy ads as an easy option..

a.v as in anti vehicle..
the ability for a single person to destroy vehicles has been around almost as long as vehicles in war have.. ww2.
carrying swarms is not such an easy option, it leaves most players with only the option of using the sidearm against infantry.

glad to see that rattati has tried to swarm for a whole night to get an unbiased view.

ADS are faster than swarms.

Swarms are as effective as they should be for the type of weapon it is. I mean, it really requires almost no skill ...

Which is why we've decided to nerf the HMG. Looking back, we probably should've designed it differently; we didn't realize it'd be so easy to use and so powerful. Oh well!

- CCP

Wow that was weaker than the ADS whining. 1/10