Not agreeing with this topic... But swarms and ads have the same top speed. Swarms also have better acceleration than the ads, only the afterburner allows the ads to reach it's top speed quicker.

fact is you can never pull away from swarms, only outlast them if going quicker... They also follow your exact flight path so they don't hit walls unless fired at one by a moron (like me.)

The only way I can outrun a swarm with my ads (no afterburner) is on a map with a big ass cliff that gives me room to pretty much fall for a good few seconds without hitting the floor, gives enough speed to stay ahead of the swarm if it was fired from a good distance.

So yeah, the afterburner is the main reason for this argument, but everyone shat on ads because they don't like getting popped by missiles when there's no av about.

However if the turn speed nerf on swarms is enough to actually allow me to fly behind cover without getting blown into it after the swarm does a nice instant 90 degree turn at the corner of a building, then I'm happy either way.



I had to lol... holding a rep tool and spamming uplinks/hives is difficult how?

Good.

A ridiculous free suit shouldn't be able to do anything to a million isk vehicle.


There is a thing called value to consider.

Now, had you friends helping out or god forbid a forge gun you would have killed all of your targets. And had you played commando you would've been able to fight off infantry threats and drive away vehicle threats.

Now if an ADS is flying so fast he can't be hit by swarms, he can't hit his targets on the ground either. That means without killing him, you nullified him as a threat. If you want that to feel more rewarding I recommend you change the acceleration, but not the top speed, of an ADS. That allows quick blow-throughs to outrun all swarms, as they should be able to, but doesn't allow them to escape when they've been hovering around like jackasses because they won't be able to accelerate to that top speed fast enough.


Just don't use a free suit and expect value, because you deserve none.

I'm no expert here, but, those sound like fighting words..

And too many damage mods, come on.

I have to admit that picturing this gave me a chuckle. I run an ADV Minassault, protoswarm no dmg mods. I run an ASMG w/CPX dmg instead. I kill lots of tanks, I usually feel it is a fair matchup, they also kill me a lot. Dropships are a bit too easy to kill, except Pythons. You can't kill a Python even doing everything right, he has to do something wrong. The frustration is getting them with a sliver of life left, on fire, and they just fly away and come back fully healed right away. Two or three runs and I have no choice but to dance on hives trying to reload while he is shooting at me.

I hear people recommend Commando, Mincommando especially, for swarming. I have an alt. fit for this but don't like it. Yes, I hit harder but I lose too much speed and mobility and most of all grenades. A tank or an LAV can see you swarm, drive up to you well before you can seriously hurt him, and then blast you or hop out with an HMG. The ASMG lets me win a few of those but the grenades are my only chance of getting the vehicle kill and probably that is how I get most of them. No grenades, no kill.

Which you obviously were not doing, since a PRO MinCom has 2 highs...



I look forward to seeing Rattati piloting to see what it's like from our POV. Y'know, s it's actually unbiased and not entirely biased by focusing on only one side of the argument.