ADS are faster than swarms.

Just to make one point, I tried all night to just play swarm AV. Proto swarms, not full skills, triple dmg mods.

I lost more suits than I have ever lost in a night, and I didn't kill a single dropship, nor a tank. One time I swear the ADS wagged at me as I launched the 3 death swarm, turned around and blasted away and came back to kill me.

Admittedly, not the best AVer out there, but, it's not only about not being able to kill vehicles, it's all the times I am trying to chase a double hit dropship or HAV, and get shot by any other infantry. I died 50% from not being able to defend my self against infantry, and the rest by blaster tanks or missile turret ads's.

Militia swarms being a threat is class A bs.

The problem is this.^

an ads pilot will post and complain about how powerful they are, how they should be "area denial weapons" and they should not be able to destroy an ads single handed...

but yet for all that noise they will circle back to the same person, over and over and over:

they know that if the first volley didn't kill them none of the others will either.
they are not even doing area denial if the ads pilot does not feel the need to avoid a player that they know has swarms.
there is literally no sense in approaching a genuine threat over and over again, therefore they are not a threat.

as for people wanting av to destroy ads as an easy option..

a.v as in anti vehicle..
the ability for a single person to destroy vehicles has been around almost as long as vehicles in war have.. ww2.
carrying swarms is not such an easy option, it leaves most players with only the option of using the sidearm against infantry.

glad to see that rattati has tried to swarm for a whole night to get an unbiased view.

I was making sure my math wasn't wrong.

It wasn't.

I don't need to do anything else.

How is making it so missiles can actually catch a dropship unfair?

Besides the plasma cannon projectile speed increase THERE ARE NO OTHER AV BUFFS IN THE WORKS.

Being able to outrun a missile is idiotic. Especially when the missile ability to pull a 180 degree turn instantly is going away.

If you do take this challange CCP Rattati, get your RoF skills to 3 and it'll be trivial.

With that amount of SP it would be easy.

You seem to be under the assumtion that getting 5 kills with an ADS is difficult.

1) He was using PRO Swarms with 3x Damage Mods, he is toting the best AV weaponry available, not accounting for his skill (no offence - R), he should have at least made 1 kill against a vehicle over a nights worth of public matches.

2) So let me see if I understand this.
A MLT Frontline Dropsuit kiling a PRO Dropsuit - Fine (0:120,000)
A MLT Tank killing multiple PRO Dropsuits - Fine (70,000:5,000,000)
A MLT Swarm being barely a threat - God Forbid

3) Yes when you starting bringing up value you have to remember the value of the AV suits used against you too. My current Assault AV fitting at 65,000 ISK (ADV) is onlt good for ONE vehicle, if I'm successful in destroying a vehicle I must then FIGHT my way back to a suply depot so that I have enoigh munitions to take on another.

On average an AVer will die 3-4 for each vehicle he suppresses/kills, he can't engage the tank with a reckless regard for his own well being, he would be too ineffective. Chances are as you roll in in a tank , your tagged. But the AVer has to ensure he will do enough damage to kill.

4) Commandos make poor AV units, they lack many required traits that make other suits desirable for AV duties, he also receives no eHP bonuses over most medium suits and lacks the versatility required.

Commandos are a Jack of all trades class much more so than the Assault.

5) Finally mlt tank, mlt AV, why is one allowed to be as equally powerful as it's skilled variation but the other not?