Hey rattati,
Thanks for raising the charge ammo up to 18.
Any thoughts on the sniper ammo skill? I think this means that a charge user at level 5 gets an extra 2.7 bullets.
I doubt that I can fire 0.7 of a bullet.. unless the last one is a blank. Lol

No one enjoys getting killed before they can even react

That all said and done,

A few of you, the tacSR still has sway so you have to skill up properly for it to work, but again, we will be keeping an eye out for it being OP.

The % based ammo, I agree, we won't be able to fix that now, but the skill should be like the MD and PLC, add "one" shot to ammo

The nanohive, again, it's possible to change the nanohive depletion, but you have way more potential damage per nanohive in Delta than Charlie. Please take that into account.

Personally, love the changes overall. As to your points here.

: the TacSR is not going to be as much of an issue as most are thinking. As you stated, there is still sway. Quick scoping isn't going to be as easy as some of the haters are thinking. They are taking the most serious range nerf as well, with the lowest DPS per shot

% based ammo, thank you for an answer. That answers my question perfectly. The MD and PLC idea are definitely in line with my thoughts.

Nanohives: Yes, we are going to have more potential damage, agreed. I'm salivating at the thought of breaking my Charge out once this hotfix hits and seeing what kind of damage I can do with it. I will wait until after I've field tested to launch any complaints (which mine were not, just questions).

However, I can see the miss rate going up quite a bit as well because of the headshot multiplier. People are going to go for the headshot, which means more misses, which means possibly firing more at the same target than before. I know that futility should not be an excuse, but I can see this happening. With only 3 rounds in the Charge at the time, more reloading will be done which will allow people who are NOT headshot to have more times in between shots to hide and replentish.

*Side note* I haven't looked at it recently and I'm not by my PS3, what is the charge up time currently for the Charge SR? Is that being changed one way or the other, or is it staying the same?

No change planned for charge time, 2.1 seconds I believe

A few of you, the tacSR still has sway so you have to skill up properly for it to work, but again, we will be keeping an eye out for it being OP.
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Yeah, dmg progression is too steep, somethin must have broke in the calcs, the % increase between steps s/b 5%, not 15%. Thanks for pressing the point.

Please also consider increasing fitting requirements.

The fitting requirements are at 93 CPU / 15 PG.

When you consider the fact that Profile Dampeners & Damage Amplifiers are also CPU intensive, making a good SR fit can be very difficult without a reasonable investment into Core Skills.

I see no problem with their fitting requirements.

Who puts damps and amps on a sniper suit? That won't help since everyone in a 25m radius can hear you shoot and will probably LoS scan you anyway. And since I'm assuming you're in a scout suit, you won't be getting may Skills with your side arm either considering you're using all your slots for damage and EWar mods.

Anyway, snipers are currently in line with virtually every other proto light weapon

(Duvolle AR: 90/13, Freedom MD: 93/14, Kaalakiota RR: 84/17 Wiyrikomi SL: 90/13). They need an increase in fitting to make them either fit gank (damage mods) or tank (extenders/plates) on even proto fits.

In the future, I hope scouts can get a fitting bonus to snipers (and shotguns) since that's technically their clich+¬ role, but we'll see I guess.

A Profile Dampener ensures that you won't be scanned by vehicles, making it harder for drive-by Sentiels or ADSs to find you. This is imperative for any Sniper who isn't using a Caldari Commando, I am not in a Scout suit (though I do snipe with a Min or Cal-Scout on occasions).

ADSs will LoS scan you regardless and no pilot worth their salt should ever use a scanner. Your other concerns are valid though so I'll give you that (perhaps when DSs become better they'll be used in similar fashion). Still, I think damage or HP mods should be considered for balancing fitting requirements rather than EWar mods.

As for Damage Amplifiers, I challenge you to find me one dedicated Sniper who doesn't use them. Surely even people who doesn't snipe (one could come to that conclusion due to your lack of knowledge on modules and how the effect Snipers) knows that Snipers use Damage Amps.

Where did I say snipers don't use damage mods? Damps = dampeners, if that's the confusion. I even said in the last sentence (pardon the typo btw) that all you're fitting is damage mods in the highs and EWar in the lows, and with a sniper as a primary and only your side arm, you won't stand much of a chance if someone finds you (maybe as a commando, but you're still at a disadvantage, and EWar won't help you much anyway because of your base stats and lack of slots)

Also effect(.n) > affect(.v)


And how is this in any way a problem? It was to my knowledge that these buffs are meant to bring them in line with other Light Weapons, correct?

Actually it was to balance them with the defenses of their targets, not necessarily balance them with other weapons. Any weapon will win against a sniper, provided it can get into range, so there's really no comparison. Since we're balancing snipers against defenses, a sniper should have high attack and little defense (or moderate attack and moderate defense) since their targets have virtually no attack and moderate to high defense.


The limitations of their Dropsuit should be the deciding factor in how much tank or gank they're allowed to fit. When literally no other role in DUST has to choose between the two (well, besides AV), I fail to see why Snipers should.

Right, but as it is currently, I can fit a proto sniper and 2 damage mods on my 800hp STD heavy suit (which costs like 40k or something). I just feel that that is a bit imbalanced, I should only be able to just squeeze that on an ADV suit and comfortably on proto suits (risk/reward thing). Snipers aren't like other roles in the game, perhaps they should special consideration.

And quit humdrumming about AV. I consider you guys my arch nemeses, you should be proud of your role.


A recon Dropsuit sounds nice, but wouldn't fit because we only have one racial Sniper Rifle.

Or perhaps just modifying the scouts.

So we made Sniper rifles both unusable and overpowered in the same instance. Let's see how this pans out, nothing is more than a hotfix away from being changed.

Appia, instead of focusing on range, why not rejoice in being able to be headshot for effect and really turn the tide in a battle.

Headshotting from a far range does take skill, whether you admit it or not, with that power you need to be exposed to retaliation. The fact is that most of us just take the bullet, and respawn, never trying to take that sniper down. It isn't like that scout or heavy that just took you down with a shotgun in the back or hmg in the face, you go looking for them in your immediate vicinity with vengeance on your mind and you are on your toes. If I get shot from 500 m with a Thale's, my only recourse would be to spend a Thale's, and for 99% of us, that's not an option, as I don't have one.

That all said and done,

A few of you, the tacSR still has sway so you have to skill up properly for it to work, but again, we will be keeping an eye out for it being OP.

The % based ammo, I agree, we won't be able to fix that now, but the skill should be like the MD and PLC, add "one" shot to ammo

The nanohive, again, it's possible to change the nanohive depletion, but you have way more potential damage per nanohive in Delta than Charlie. Please take that into account.

If I get shot from 500 m with a Thale's, my only recourse would be to spend a Thale's, and for 99% of us, that's not an option, as I don't have one.

If I get shot from 500 m with a Thale's, my only recourse would be to spend a Thale's, and for 99% of us, that's not an option, as I don't have one.

So we made Sniper rifles both unusable and overpowered in the same instance. Let's see how this pans out, nothing is more than a hotfix away from being changed.

It is OBVIOUS what will happen. A charge sniper with proficiency and damage mods (probably calmando as well) will headshot OHK essentially any suit. Bodyshots, which are basically a miss for a sniper, will still be doing 450+ damage per shot, so will OHK around half the suits in the field.

It is clear from the raw numbers what the effect on 'battlefield diversity' will be. I have 1.5 million saved up and was planning to get a proto assault suit with the extra SP from the Million Clone Challenge. I now realize that would just be a ridiculous waste of SP. Why get a suit that is only good as target practice? These numbers make it clear that SP spent on anything other than sniper rifles, suits for carrying sniper rifles, and vehicles is SP wasted.

As for 'a hotfix away from being changed', are you seriously telling me you expect people to keep playing for 2-3 months of getting OHKed from the redline several times every match? Nobody plays this game to be a victim. Ground-pounding infantry will AFK, and when they get sick of that, uninstall. They will not notice when the next hotfix comes out, they will have gone to other games.

if everybody is so afraid of the snipers in delta then they will have to start looking for them instead of ignoring them now.
snipers are not hard to kill.

tacs will be the ones being taken into battles now as marksmen type weapons.

It is OBVIOUS what will happen. A charge sniper with proficiency and damage mods (probably calmando as well) will headshot OHK essentially any suit. Bodyshots, which are basically a miss for a sniper, will still be doing 450+ damage per shot, so will OHK around half the suits in the field.

It is clear from the raw numbers what the effect on 'battlefield diversity' will be. I have 1.5 million saved up and was planning to get a proto assault suit with the extra SP from the Million Clone Challenge. I now realize that would just be a ridiculous waste of SP. Why get a suit that is only good as target practice? These numbers make it clear that SP spent on anything other than sniper rifles, suits for carrying sniper rifles, and vehicles is SP wasted.

As for 'a hotfix away from being changed', are you seriously telling me you expect people to keep playing for 2-3 months of getting OHKed from the redline several times every match? Nobody plays this game to be a victim. Ground-pounding infantry will AFK, and when they get sick of that, uninstall. They will not notice when the next hotfix comes out, they will have gone to other games.

ssshhhh don`t reveal that secret!!!!!



i don`t believe that is going to happen... after all it keeps to be a sniper rifle, with the crouch and the same value of sway.
it may work as marksman under certain circunstances cause normally it won`t work. that`s my opinion today with any of the current weapons but i-¦ll give it a try after delta.

Date to release???

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I don't buy it.

Sniper Rifle headshots killed people in Chromosome, and the game wasn't worse off for it. Somewhere along the way, player mentality seems to have shifted from "good shot!" to "I deserve a chance to respond".

Who remembers when the click-click of cooking nade meant GTFO?
When Sleepy Zan in the killfeed meant get your arse to cover?
When everyone jumped to the sound of kickball and a Twin from behind meant certain demise?

We've willingly traded that thrill of Chrome combat for the second and third chances of Uprising. Newbros continue to die without a moment's notice, but we veterans? We're entitled to three shotgun blasts to the back, two sniper rounds to the face, and free passes from perfectly cooked prototype grenades.

Again, I don't buy it.