I only have problems with those glitched roof uplinks. Im fine with roof campers though.

Hello,

CPM 1 (and previously 0) has already discussed the issue at great lengths and we are considering various solutions to the problems; some of which are exciting some of which cannot be realized within dust 514.

We are also looking at the problem in its entirety; the items, the players, the skills, the behaviors that go into.

One solution brought up would turn uplinks into a 'Spawn Grenade' of sorts.

If a current uplink allowed 10 spawns per deployable and 3 deployables available per stack with deploy limit of 1.
Then...
The uplink would turn into 1 spawn per deployable and 30 deployables available per stack with a deploy limit of 1.

Of course this would shift the bonus needs; spawn times, meta level progression and much more but after suggesting the idea the CPM 1 was enthusiastic believing that this solution was most optimal within Dust 514 itself.

Similarly this mentality can be easily applied to Nanohives but not to same extreme.

While I can list of all the expected changes in behaviors I am rather hoping to hear about feedback to this idea instead. Have at it.

Why can't the same rule as applies to vehicles be applied to uplinks and nanohives- there's a limit on how many can be active in the game at any one time.

Or have the option to recall your uplink, with each player having a limit on how many they can deploy at once, depending on how much they've levelled up? I.e. None for level 0, and 5 for level 5 or something? Being able to recall uplinks would help with people camping on them too, or uplinks that make you fall through the map/get stuck between a rock and a hard place and having to commit suicide or wait til the enemy hunt you down and kill you.

The last battle I was in was spammed so much with red uplinks and nanohives that I couldn't play due to the lag, my whole squad had to leave the game because it was just unplayable.

I also played a battle where the middle of the map was so covered in uplinks, that you couldn't see the map at all when selecting a deployment location.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1504032#post1504032

I'll just leave this here.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1504032#post1504032

I'll just leave this here.

And finally the most restricting feature that I came up with: When you die or switch suits, all deployed equipment pops.

It nerfs equipment in the 9th circle of hell, but forces people to play with more tactics.

I think it is time we take a look at equipment spam. Especially the amount of Uplinks that can be deployed in one area.
Not only it is a very noobish strategy, but it also makes the game lag. BUt as long as that Logi is getting WP they really won't care.

Every Skirmish and Domination now consists of "who ever spam the objective with more Uplink's wins"

Long are the days were placing an Uplink at a very hidden but strategic area meant the difference between the battles.

And now Uplinks are being able to be deployed in rather unbelievable places to reach. If I had a capture card, I would make a video on it.

But I can only point them out:
Border Gulch: Right at 9E where the Tower is.

Gallente Research Facility: Normally were A is in Domination and B in Skirmish. You can place a bunch of Uplinks around the top corners of the silo the objective is located in. I think it is rather BS and that Uplinks and any other type of deployable equipment should pop when deployed there.

Orbital Artillery: Basically here, the huge tower, and the little reactor thingies that are near the Objective A in Domination. When equipment get placed on top of the reactor thingies (I really don't know how they are called) they should pop.

And we all know the towers of Line Harvest

Now this are some unfair locations and advantaged where you can place Uplinks and have them almost untouched.

"Oh, but you can always call a dropship and destroy the uplinks yourself"
We all now that most rooftop campers and rooftop spawn areas are always being watched by 1 or 2 Forgers + Swarmers. so getting up there to destroy the uplinks becomes a hindrance rather than helping out your team. While this itself is a good strategy, it is also unfair that some (if not most) of this rooftop areas also provide an over look to the ground below. Making place for Forgers and Snipers to get easy kills. Again, calling in a drophip is a waste of ISK (and if you are short on ISK don't risk it) because the forger will always spot you.

You can always counter snipe but they can just waddle away and dissapear from your sights.




But the real issue for me is the never ending equipment spam. Not only is it a cheap tactic to get WP but it also lowers the frame rate of the match you are in. Many ways to counter the spam have been given but any present flaws.

The only real solution to this would be for the equipment to disappear when you change suits a supply depot. But of course the WP whores will cry and say that is unfair while they sit in a spot gaining never ending 25+ Warpoints per each Uplink they have out.

Restricting equipment to suit it was fitted seems the most logical way to fix the equipment spam. You want to lay out a bunch of Uplinks to help your team spawn? Well use all your equipment slots to fit the Uplinks, but do know that you will be very weak.

TL;DR:

Upinks and other deployable equipment spam are causing frame rate issues to the game, yet people keep doing it because easy and risk free WP

Uplinks can be placed at very unreachable and questionable places. They should insta pop in those places rather than staying there

Only way to fix equipment spam is to restrict the equipment to the suit rather than the clone. That way the spam will die out and Uplinks will start to be placed more strategically again.

I will keep bumping this thread until I see a dev response on how they would address the issue of equipment spam and placing equipment on questionable places.

More than one uplink or even 5-10 uplinks in one area is hardly a noobish strategy.

A rush of spawns can quickly pop an uplink.
A single person dumping out of a DS can pop 1-2 links before going down cutting everyone off from back up.
With 4-5 links the person attempting to pop the links can easily be ambushed by a random spawn.


Yes lag can be caused by multiple links but should we really limit types of game play to make up for poor code?
Glitched links are everywhere and should be addressed, again not something to be fixed by forcing players to act a certain way.


You are either butt hurt that some one is spamming links on top of yours or maybe just that logis make more money than you at the end of the match.

HTFU

How about you bring back the Sniper Rifle dot already so I can more accurately snipe away those uplinks et all for +5 WP!?!?!!!!!

/c

Hello,

CPM 1 (and previously 0) has already discussed the issue at great lengths and we are considering various solutions to the problems; some of which are exciting some of which cannot be realized within dust 514.

We are also looking at the problem in its entirety; the items, the players, the skills, the behaviors that go into.

One solution brought up would turn uplinks into a 'Spawn Grenade' of sorts.

If a current uplink allowed 10 spawns per deployable and 3 deployables available per stack with deploy limit of 1.
Then...
The uplink would turn into 1 spawn per deployable and 30 deployables available per stack with a deploy limit of 1.

Of course this would shift the bonus needs; spawn times, meta level progression and much more but after suggesting the idea the CPM 1 was enthusiastic believing that this solution was most optimal within Dust 514 itself.

Similarly this mentality can be easily applied to Nanohives but not to same extreme.

While I can list of all the expected changes in behaviors I am rather hoping to hear about feedback to this idea instead. Have at it.

More than one uplink or even 5-10 uplinks in one area is hardly a noobish strategy.

A rush of spawns can quickly pop an uplink.
A single person dumping out of a DS can pop 1-2 links before going down cutting everyone off from back up.
With 4-5 links the person attempting to pop the links can easily be ambushed by a random spawn.


Yes lag can be caused by multiple links but should we really limit types of game play to make up for poor code?
Glitched links are everywhere and should be addressed, again not something to be fixed by forcing players to act a certain way.


You are either butt hurt that some one is spamming links on top of yours or maybe just that logis make more money than you at the end of the match.

HTFU

How about we worry about things that are actually broken.

Unbalanced weapons.
Random inability to sprint or drop equipment.
Getting stuck on flat terrain.
Rubber banding from one side of the map to the other.


What was I thinking? CCP should certainly drop everything and come up with a mechanic that stops people from playing their part in the game so that OP does not have to expend effort on taking a roof top from the enemy.

How about we worry about things that are actually broken.

Unbalanced weapons.
Random inability to sprint or drop equipment.
Getting stuck on flat terrain.
Rubber banding from one side of the map to the other.


What was I thinking? CCP should certainly drop everything and come up with a mechanic that stops people from playing their part in the game so that OP does not have to expend effort on taking a roof top from the enemy.

calm your ****.. wait for delta for NEW NEW sniper reticule

You all will pigeon hole the amarr and caldari logi into oblivion with some of these ideas...wow...

So if you restrict it to one slot what will happen then? Carry max 3 links or 3 hives? They are not the gal or the min logi who has the built in passives. If you can't pick up a hive or link on your TacNet, something is definitely wrong.
Against good players links or nanohives don't last long. And loss of a depot to not refill your suit, you have to die or go back to the red line to get equipment to reinforce your teams in their pushes. Yeah, you being a real asset by dieing or going back to the redline to resupply lol being a bodycount less either way in a push
Last time I checked it's not the equipment that leads to spam..it's the scrub players..
Weren't the respec on the logi suits and equipment done for this same reason 1.8 ..to stop spam and the slayer logi and get ppl to use their stuff "tactically" ??...and here spam still exists...lol

You can't stop ppl speccing into multiple equipments unless you fix the skill tree. Remove the equipment from the upgrade tree!!! It's an upgrade tree for suits,not equipment. Equipment bonuses are attached to suits now. Fix the skill tree. Put the Equpiment access into the Command tree. As well as, if can't have acces to the equipment unless you literally apply the fitting to those suits and use them. CCP didn't you apply bonuses this way, attaching it to suits ???
And to those who want to cry about not having access and want to carry hives or a link in as a sct/assault etc into matches and not rely on logis to bring it in...yeah....there is the MLT market over that way....

eg.
---> Amar Assault
Amarr Med
---> Amarr Logistics (each level will get you access to uplink spawn and timer bonuses) ---> Amarr Uplink Proficiency (will give you acces from basic to proto)

Same goes for Caldari and all other logi suits.

It forces ppl who you guys want to play "tactically" to invest in a suit / be a real logibro not an equipment basic lvl scrub spammer...

You want to use uplinks..invest in an Amarr suit...not getting a freebie in the upgrade tree.

Signed by,
A Proto lvl 5 Amarr with Proto lvl 5 uplink - 15 secs uplink hater LogiBro

More than one uplink or even 5-10 uplinks in one area is hardly a noobish strategy.

A rush of spawns can quickly pop an uplink.
A single person dumping out of a DS can pop 1-2 links before going down cutting everyone off from back up.
With 4-5 links the person attempting to pop the links can easily be ambushed by a random spawn.


Yes lag can be caused by multiple links but should we really limit types of game play to make up for poor code?
Glitched links are everywhere and should be addressed, again not something to be fixed by forcing players to act a certain way.


You are either butt hurt that some one is spamming links on top of yours or maybe just that logis make more money than you at the end of the match.

HTFU