Hello,

CPM 1 (and previously 0) has already discussed the issue at great lengths and we are considering various solutions to the problems; some of which are exciting some of which cannot be realized within dust 514.

We are also looking at the problem in its entirety; the items, the players, the skills, the behaviors that go into.

One solution brought up would turn uplinks into a 'Spawn Grenade' of sorts.

If a current uplink allowed 10 spawns per deployable and 3 deployables available per stack with deploy limit of 1.
Then...
The uplink would turn into 1 spawn per deployable and 30 deployables available per stack with a deploy limit of 1.

Of course this would shift the bonus needs; spawn times, meta level progression and much more but after suggesting the idea the CPM 1 was enthusiastic believing that this solution was most optimal within Dust 514 itself.

Similarly this mentality can be easily applied to Nanohives but not to same extreme.

While I can list of all the expected changes in behaviors I am rather hoping to hear about feedback to this idea instead. Have at it.

It is certainly a scrub tactic that does nothing but gains you a free kill. Personally if I am near a sup dep while taking fire I like to switch to a free suit and let them shred me. I know they get pissed that I switched suits and then say "yea scrub I still got you". Anything to boost their ego before I kill them next time only makes me laugh harder.

Spamming uplinks is hardly a scrub tactic, it presents a tactical advantage in the form of having an area more protected from being over run. I would be glad to Q up against you and you put down one link and I will put down 20 and see which team holds the area.

How about if the uplink wasn't something you throw, but instead it's attached to your back and people spawn on your location (like the mobile cru's in vehicles...)
No more lagbomb, have to keep yourself from bleeding out to keep it going, have to reload it at a supply depo... Do the same for nanohives...
Give the option of having it only active when selected, or just active all the time where the player is. The thought of chosing when to use them seems better though.

CPM's idea of 1 spawn per uplink (grenade) sounds like you'll just have more people spamming areas with them.

Failing that, having a max amount per player could get the job done, rather than max amount per type... Lets face it the spam is usually 1 or 2 players with all the loyalty varients throwing everything they have around a supply depo.


Rooftops are fine apart from the bugs, which having the uplink/hive on the player would solve.

Uplinks on player would actually solve the problem and would make the game more interesting imo.

Oh, look, something I've suggested in various iterations like 38 times over the past year,: Make it a skill.

Attach it to the Amarr logi suit, all logi suits, the existing uplink skill, there's multiple ways to do it, many of which are probably not hot-fixable, of course.

For each level of the skill, you can put out 1 extra uplink, starting at a base of 2. So, if you skill to level 5 (at a hefty SP cost) you can have around 7 links active. If you don't invest in it, you only get 2 uplinks. Logis get to stay logis, the spam monkeys have to either invest a couple million SP or go back to bricking their gallente scouts with ACR's.

Secondly, (I'm now too lazy to find links to old posts, but this ones been out there too). Make a deployable radius. No equipment can be deployed within 5-10 meters of another piece of equipment or any installlation.

Lastly, for the love of god make squad equipment green already! That way squad equipment gets used preferentially, further reducing the reward of farming pub matches with no intent to actually try to win.


Anyway, that's more effort than I even intended to put into this silliness. I need an excuse to stop playing this game completely anyway, go ahead and finish the job of nerfing my suit and playstyle needlessly. Obviously this is the primary thing holding Dust back from being a finely tuned and perfect game.

the QQ about your ****** internet connection really isn't constructive. lag in dust has dropped considerably in the past couple weeks. im not the only person i know who doesn't even experience lag unless the entire two teams lag out. get a better ISP or stop complaining.

and the issue here is 5000 WP orbitals that used to be able to clear said uplinks but now cannot

on the border gulch tower you can melee the uplinks that are glitched into the edge and pretty much every other uplink you can shoot or get with a flux or even locus grenade.

I am not QQ-ing about my internet connection. It has been proven that equipment spam does create frame rate drops within matches.

Ask for a ladder or elevator or anti grav pad.....


The only problem with rooftops is CCP barely did any conceptualizing when they sent their map teams to go build them... They had no big picture how they where to even work.

The few ladders we have in all of DUST often don;t even go any where relevant... go to dead ends devoid of any relation to objectives in the map..

There is like 2-3 functional ladders in DUST that actually add to the game... The rest often go to no where relevant at all..

Having an elevator or ladder where you can get a Counter suit and have that camp spot counterable to all who attempt it... makes it a completely balanced gameplay.

Having high points sitting over objectives with only a dropship and coordination to counter 1-2 mercenaries is absolutely stupid and has hurt gameplay in DUST for a year and a half of something so obvious not being fixed.


The map team in CCP Shanghai are literally the worst dis passionate people they have there... Map builders around the world look on with disgust.

and this is why the spawn grenade idea became ever so much more appealing for the cpm because it wouldn't resort to doing the stupid things suggested so far in terms on restriction. If anything it would upkick the activity both cal logi and amarr logi into more focused jobs; reduce the tourist pretending to want to do the job and hopefully will severely cut down on the initial pc battle spam everything at the start of the battle.

You both are so very very wrong.

How many minmater logi's do you see who equip multiple rep tools to maximize their racial bonus?
Answer: zero

The best solution to uplink spam is simple, most people in this thread are over complicating the issue. Allow me to fix for everyone:


Only allow one uplink per suit, just like the cloak.
Adjust logi and racial bonuses as necessary

the end.

(see how easy that was)

the spawn grenade idea is terrible in so many ways for so many reason, please do not do this.

And you will pigeon hole both the caldari and the amarr...

The min and gal dont need to carry more than one.Their bonuses are stacked as you level the suit and that goes for all 4 logi roles.And if they both choose to carry more than one it is based on circumstances . I want to rep two people at a time..ill use a six kin (doesn't that maxmize my racial bonus )...i want to focus on one heavy...core focused. I want to have frequent scans ..ill carry more than one scanner( doesn't that maximize my scanning ability and durations of scan )
.It's all again based on personal preference or circumstances. And for your information, caldari and amarr need to carry more than one link/hive to maximize their intended roles. The difference between the two groups is that (amarr/caldari and min/gal) is that the amarr/cal group, their bonuses can be totally nullified and make them worthless and unable to fulfill their roles even while alive.....The min and gal you have to kill the suckers.
If we took your solution into context no one..and I mean NOBODY will even run those suits and you basically killed both classes as anyone can do it. And that has been the main problem...ANYONE CAN SPAM EQUIPMENT. Cause einstien.... its an easily accessed skill..I'm not gonna explain it again..re-read my previous post.

Stop trying to play smart....Your slip is definitely showing in this one.

I simply disagree.

Occam's Razor.

It is my opinion that the simplest way to cut down on Uplink and Hive spam is to limit how many can be equipped on a suit.

FIRST
Limit to one uplink of any type at a time on a suit.
Limit to one nanohive that repairs armor (any hive that repairs armor: triage, compact, Allotek, K17/D) at a time on a suit.
Limit to one nanohive that supplies ammo at a time on a suit.

SECOND
Change Amarr logi bonus (possible suggestions below, one or a combination of some, not necessarily all)
- Increase max carried
- Increase max active
- Decrease spawn time (more so than current bonus)
- Increase number of spawns (more so than current bonus)
- Increase health of uplinks by xxx% (imagine an amarr uplink with 1000 hit points)
- Decrease scan profile of uplinks (imagine an amarr uplink that is not easily seen by everyone and their mother via scans)

Change Caldari logi bonus (possible suggestions below, one or a combination of some, not necessarily all)
- Increase max carried
- Increase max active
- Increase nanite count
- Increase suply rate
- Increase armor repair rate
- Decrease scan profile on nanohives (imagine a caldari nanohive that is not easily seen by everyone and their mother via scans)
- Increase health of nanohive by xxx% (imagine a caldari nanohive with 1000 hit points)

THIRD
- Revise uplink stats again to make ammar logi even more useful
- Revise nanohive stats again to make caldari logi even more useful


Again, it is my personal opinion that this will leave the Caldari and Amarr Logi still desirable while also cutting down on the amount of uplink spam. It wont solve the problem surrounding supply depots but it will surely help reduce the overall number of pieces of equipment on the map without massively changing the game and I think that is what is most important.

Thank you for your time and open-minded consideration.


I don't pretend I am smart for I know I am not, however I do my best to think as thoroughly as my brain will allow, which I admit is not as thorough as others but better than most.

stuff.

Or just maybe we bring.the warbarge strike back down to 25k since OBs were used to clear rooftip campers

You people NEVER cease to amaze me........... First you CRY when no one spawns links, then you CRY when too many are being used. WTF is wrong with you people? Get Good!
Dust is circling the drain! The rat has already sucked all the fun out of the game.
Dont expect ANYONE to be running links on the NEXT nerf.

Heres a much BETTER solution........

Make everyone use their own links. Only the deployer can spawn on them. Problem solved!
Better yet, Just shut the game down!

I think it is time we take a look at equipment spam. Especially the amount of Uplinks that can be deployed in one area.
Not only it is a very noobish strategy, but it also makes the game lag. BUt as long as that Logi is getting WP they really won't care.

Every Skirmish and Domination now consists of "who ever spam the objective with more Uplink's wins"

Long are the days were placing an Uplink at a very hidden but strategic area meant the difference between the battles.

And now Uplinks are being able to be deployed in rather unbelievable places to reach. If I had a capture card, I would make a video on it.

But I can only point them out:
Border Gulch: Right at 9E where the Tower is.

Gallente Research Facility: Normally were A is in Domination and B in Skirmish. You can place a bunch of Uplinks around the top corners of the silo the objective is located in. I think it is rather BS and that Uplinks and any other type of deployable equipment should pop when deployed there.

Orbital Artillery: Basically here, the huge tower, and the little reactor thingies that are near the Objective A in Domination. When equipment get placed on top of the reactor thingies (I really don't know how they are called) they should pop.

And we all know the towers of Line Harvest

Now this are some unfair locations and advantaged where you can place Uplinks and have them almost untouched.

"Oh, but you can always call a dropship and destroy the uplinks yourself"
We all now that most rooftop campers and rooftop spawn areas are always being watched by 1 or 2 Forgers + Swarmers. so getting up there to destroy the uplinks becomes a hindrance rather than helping out your team. While this itself is a good strategy, it is also unfair that some (if not most) of this rooftop areas also provide an over look to the ground below. Making place for Forgers and Snipers to get easy kills. Again, calling in a drophip is a waste of ISK (and if you are short on ISK don't risk it) because the forger will always spot you.

You can always counter snipe but they can just waddle away and dissapear from your sights.




But the real issue for me is the never ending equipment spam. Not only is it a cheap tactic to get WP but it also lowers the frame rate of the match you are in. Many ways to counter the spam have been given but any present flaws.

The only real solution to this would be for the equipment to disappear when you change suits a supply depot. But of course the WP whores will cry and say that is unfair while they sit in a spot gaining never ending 25+ Warpoints per each Uplink they have out.

Restricting equipment to suit it was fitted seems the most logical way to fix the equipment spam. You want to lay out a bunch of Uplinks to help your team spawn? Well use all your equipment slots to fit the Uplinks, but do know that you will be very weak.

TL;DR:

Upinks and other deployable equipment spam are causing frame rate issues to the game, yet people keep doing it because easy and risk free WP

Uplinks can be placed at very unreachable and questionable places. They should insta pop in those places rather than staying there

Only way to fix equipment spam is to restrict the equipment to the suit rather than the clone. That way the spam will die out and Uplinks will start to be placed more strategically again.

I will keep bumping this thread until I see a dev response on how they would address the issue of equipment spam and placing equipment on questionable places.

I agree with you on the stuff about uplinks you cant remove. And you sound pretty passionate about what your saying, and I respect it......your one liner threatening to bump the thread untill you get a response was where you lost me. I promise you that based shearly on the fact that you put that in there that it is very unlikely you will get a response. also I will let you know that they will just disappear your thread because the "bumping" is against the rules.

I must say that more now than ever the Devs respond to reasonable questions alot more than they used too. however if i were a DEV i wouldnt dignify your last statement with a response out of principle.

but hey we shall see what happens..because I am getting pretty bored of all the gutless cowards dropping RE's off the top of things too !

GL man o7

i usually only see mexican corps doing this though.

i usually only see mexican corps doing this though.

I can always edit that part out. And well sorry for threatning, but this has been going on for a rather long time now and there hasn't been an action taken towards fixing this.

Things are rather balnced for Dust in my eyes atm. Yeah the Burst HMG shreds and the RR owns both at long and close ranges. But all that is easily fixable.

Plus the uplink spam has been going on way before RRs and CRs were introduced to Dust.