but in skilled hands it can are you factoring in the 450% headshot bonus? after all you are using a lot of sparkly what ifs in your ScR "logic"

if by sparkly what ifs you mean "what if i spam 8 shots then swap" and "what if i hit the target" then sure im using sparkly what ifs...

headshots do indeed bring it more in line but the pistol lacks the utility of long range combat.

ScP/SMG combo is VERY effective in pub matches for the same reasons but the lack of utility prevents it from excelling in PC the same way its big brother does not to mention the extra added utility of the charge shot

landing consecutive headshots with the scrambler pistol is also exceedingly more difficult then landing bodyshots with a scrambler rifle.

it would require perfect play to beat its older brother but would lose out on a single missed shot

AScP DPS is a whopping 1809.06 at BASIC BEFORE PROFICIENCY OR DMG MODS

shush, dont make me send the inquisitors to your place of residence

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since im not totally down with the net lingo, i will take that as your acceptance of my warning

But that is what we are comparing yes? "Perfect Play"

you diddnt factor in proficiancy skills into your damage profiles sir

Because not everyone has the same profs so I went with the unbiased base stats

It's usually an Amarr defending the Scrambler Rifle.


I always like to go back to the Duvolle Tactical Defenders from the days of old to get the point across.


Of course they'll miss it and bring up a bs counter to it but it still stands.



People will always defend their crutch and it doesn't matter what reason and logic you bring to the discussion there will always be a person saying an OP item is not OP.


Beta Tanks, Beta Small Missiles, OHK Flux Grenades, Chrome Laser Rifle, Old Grenades, Duvolle Tactical Rifle, Logistics LAVs,
Flaylock Pistol, Rail Rifle, Combat Rifle, Scrambler Rifle and Brick Tanked Scouts.

They all have been defended by one scrub or the other but in the end, looking back, every one of the listed things was OP and needed a nerf.

also the scrambler rifle and mass driver are currently the best anti scout weapons in the game, so saying that its bad against strafe scouts is kind of a stretch

lowering the rate of fire wouldnt kill it but would remove the nessesity for stacking so much armor

changing its damage profile to 110-90 may alieviate the need to stack so much armor as well without hurting its anti-shield properties

either way its dps needs to be brought down so that it doesnt have that 150 dps advantage.

all in all i dont see it being balanced out with a single change, its going to require a combo effort in both changing the weapon slightly AND making shield modules more valueble.

the problem is that its such a good counter to shields that it removes them from validity just from exsisting while at the same time theres not an equal counter to armor (not that there should be)

granted if there were an equal counter to armor in the way that the scrambler counters shields we would indeed see balance relativly quickly as it would make armor and shields equally invalid, but this of course would just bring back pure brick tanking with players aiming to maximize both shield HP and armor HP.

another option would be to buff the HP of shields to make them able to withstand scrambler more and making shield tanking an excelent counter to combat rifles.

its a tricky thing it really is, and CCP is really between a rock and a hard place ATM becuase its not easy to balance all this for competitive play.

balancing this problem out is probably the most difficult balancing act the game can have becuase a step in the wrong direction invalidates at least half of all options.

if i had this problem in a game of my own design i would probably go about making a pokemon like type chart for all the variations, identifying imbalances from that and using it to figure out what can afford to be changesd to provide more varying strengths and weaknesses to each setup and attempt to create a more rock/paper/scizors balancing style to acomidate a metagame that involves activly building counters into your playstyle during a game, then i would proceed to limit the number of available fits a person can save to provide an extra avenue of metagame where the limitation of the fits you can bring to battle also contributes to a win or a loss

omfg moron stop taking just the damage and RPS. Look at the long picture and the risk reward as well. stop being a moron with math for a miniute and check more then just the damage output for the first second to second and a half.

I asked nicely now I am just gonna be blunt. Stop and look at the whole weapon not just the trigger and holes it makes.

Its not too strong. everyone leaves out the fact if you fire one too many rounds in intense fire fights. it locks up for 5s. It does 50 damage to you and the lock up stops everything but walking. 9/10 if it overheat it means your dead. Also if your dying fast please stop using E-war Assaults. I see too many assaults out there with less then 500 EHP. I don't know when this became a thing but if you run the numbers E-war outside of scouts is pointless to the point of being not even worth stating into.

Also if your running anything that lightens your EHP don't think you can still stand in fire at me. I see that happen a lot. I dance the bullet dance and you stand there taking head shots. that is your own fault for dying no one else. Head shots skyrocket damage. I am using a marksmen weapon. I do go for the head shots.

I don't see the RR, CR, or AR having a disadvantage as big as 5s lock up and 50 damage if you don't use it right. I don't even see them really having draw backs besides range. The tiny spool up time on the RR has people even using it in CQC. the CR and AR really don't have one if you keep in its effective range. so if all guns can overhead then maybe the scrambler needs a nerf. but they don't so they don't need ****** with any more then the flaylock needs a nerf. That thing wrecks if you get hit by the rounds. if your only doing splash it sucks ya but direct hits are deadly.

Hell wanna know one worse then the Scrambler for pens? The laser rifle. 5s lock up and 175 damage on overheat. I might be off on its lock up time. If not its very dangerous. Hense why it does such amazing damage. you can literally kill yourself if your not careful rather insanely easily.

Its not too strong. everyone leaves out the fact if you fire one too many rounds in intense fire fights. it locks up for 5s. It does 50 damage to you and the lock up stops everything but walking. 9/10 if it overheat it means your dead. Also if your dying fast please stop using E-war Assaults. I see too many assaults out there with less then 500 EHP. I don't know when this became a thing but if you run the numbers E-war outside of scouts is pointless to the point of being not even worth stating into.

Also if your running anything that lightens your EHP don't think you can still stand in fire at me. I see that happen a lot. I dance the bullet dance and you stand there taking head shots. that is your own fault for dying no one else. Head shots skyrocket damage. I am using a marksmen weapon. I do go for the head shots.

I don't see the RR, CR, or AR having a disadvantage as big as 5s lock up and 50 damage if you don't use it right. I don't even see them really having draw backs besides range. The tiny spool up time on the RR has people even using it in CQC. the CR and AR really don't have one if you keep in its effective range. so if all guns can overhead then maybe the scrambler needs a nerf. but they don't so they don't need ****** with any more then the flaylock needs a nerf. That thing wrecks if you get hit by the rounds. if your only doing splash it sucks ya but direct hits are deadly.

Hell wanna know one worse then the Scrambler for pens? The laser rifle. 5s lock up and 175 damage on overheat. I might be off on its lock up time. If not its very dangerous. Hense why it does such amazing damage. you can literally kill yourself if your not careful rather insanely easily.

omfg moron stop taking just the damage and RPS. Look at the long picture and the risk reward as well. stop being a moron with math for a miniute and check more then just the damage output for the first second to second and a half.

I asked nicely now I am just gonna be blunt. Stop and look at the whole weapon not just the trigger and holes it makes.