DUST Search - Scrambler rifle again with the too strong bs.

Ghosts Chance wrote:

ratamaq doc wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

ratamaq doc wrote:

I wondered, but didn't realize you were the same person.

main got banned for trolling to hard :P

What is your suggestion for fixing?

lowering the rate of fire wouldnt kill it but would remove the nessesity for stacking so much armor

changing its damage profile to 110-90 may alieviate the need to stack so much armor as well without hurting its anti-shield properties

either way its dps needs to be brought down so that it doesnt have that 150 dps advantage.

all in all i dont see it being balanced out with a single change, its going to require a combo effort in both changing the weapon slightly AND making shield modules more valueble.

the problem is that its such a good counter to shields that it removes them from validity just from exsisting while at the same time theres not an equal counter to armor (not that there should be)

granted if there were an equal counter to armor in the way that the scrambler counters shields we would indeed see balance relativly quickly as it would make armor and shields equally invalid, but this of course would just bring back pure brick tanking with players aiming to maximize both shield HP and armor HP.

another option would be to buff the HP of shields to make them able to withstand scrambler more and making shield tanking an excelent counter to combat rifles.

its a tricky thing it really is, and CCP is really between a rock and a hard place ATM becuase its not easy to balance all this for competitive play.

balancing this problem out is probably the most difficult balancing act the game can have becuase a step in the wrong direction invalidates at least half of all options.

if i had this problem in a game of my own design i would probably go about making a pokemon like type chart for all the variations, identifying imbalances from that and using it to figure out what can afford to be changesd to provide more varying strengths and weaknesses to each setup and attempt to create a more rock/paper/scizors balancing style to acomidate a metagame that involves activly building counters into your playstyle during a game, then i would proceed to limit the number of available fits a person can save to provide an extra avenue of metagame where the limitation of the fits you can bring to battle also contributes to a win or a loss


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manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 78	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:53:00 - [1] - Quote 300 more dps is a figure achieved with maximum rpm which as stated before isn't humanly possible... The overheat effect also means that more than 2 people can't be killed in succession... And that's basic suits not these 1000 Hp assaults or 700hp scouts. Realistically my combat rifle is way more effective. Not to mention rail rifles are te most popular gun right now and every rooftop is full of them. They do huge damage over a really long range which is unparalleled.. And they suffer no drawbacks at short range... IMO a cal assault with a kaalkiota is way more dangerous than an imperial ak.o with viziam NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 78	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:42:00 - [2] - Quote Lol. It not a problem in pubs or PC... Right now the rail rifle is the most common pubs weapon and the cr is the most common proto weapon... The second everyone switches to scr let me know... Oh wait they wont, because it's been around for ages and has never been a problem... The ascr needs a buff badly it's like finding a five leaf clover in pubs now to see an ascr user... I used to love it on my amarr logi but the rr and cr just outcompete it... Most of these 1000 ehp assaults are hard to kill with a scr without overheating anyway, it takes balanced firing unlike a rr which is point and hold the trigger.... If anyone has the problem with a scr use it and I will personally buttwhip you with a creodron breach ar and show you how op it is NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 82	Posted - 2014.08.31 05:36:00 - [3] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: I wondered, but didn't realize you were the same person. main got banned for trolling to hard :P What is your suggestion for fixing? lowering the rate of fire wouldnt kill it but would remove the nessesity for stacking so much armor changing its damage profile to 110-90 may alieviate the need to stack so much armor as well without hurting its anti-shield properties either way its dps needs to be brought down so that it doesnt have that 150 dps advantage. all in all i dont see it being balanced out with a single change, its going to require a combo effort in both changing the weapon slightly AND making shield modules more valueble. the problem is that its such a good counter to shields that it removes them from validity just from exsisting while at the same time theres not an equal counter to armor (not that there should be) granted if there were an equal counter to armor in the way that the scrambler counters shields we would indeed see balance relativly quickly as it would make armor and shields equally invalid, but this of course would just bring back pure brick tanking with players aiming to maximize both shield HP and armor HP. another option would be to buff the HP of shields to make them able to withstand scrambler more and making shield tanking an excelent counter to combat rifles. its a tricky thing it really is, and CCP is really between a rock and a hard place ATM becuase its not easy to balance all this for competitive play. balancing this problem out is probably the most difficult balancing act the game can have becuase a step in the wrong direction invalidates at least half of all options. if i had this problem in a game of my own design i would probably go about making a pokemon like type chart for all the variations, identifying imbalances from that and using it to figure out what can afford to be changesd to provide more varying strengths and weaknesses to each setup and attempt to create a more rock/paper/scizors balancing style to acomidate a metagame that involves activly building counters into your playstyle during a game, then i would proceed to limit the number of available fits a person can save to provide an extra avenue of metagame where the limitation of the fits you can bring to battle also contributes to a win or a loss Please stop trying to sound smart and observant while spewing utter bull excrement . The reason everyone uses armour tank .. Oh wait caldari and minmatar users don't .. I run a shield tank only cal assault, cal scout , ninja and min assault.. Never have I thought "gee better armour tank becuz lul scr op"... Secondly armour tanking yields higher EHP due to higher values for plates than extenders, tha ability to be repped and te fact that 1 armour beats 1 shield point NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life