DUST Search - Scrambler rifle again with the too strong bs.

Monty Mole Clone wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Monty Mole Clone wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:

I am hearing more about you inability to use weapons then problems. I have seen videos recent ones with people going 30/4 with Ion pistols only. is it op? no. its just skill making up for weapon weaknesses. your argument about nerfing one weapon based off it being used with another is just pure stupidity. if thats the case we need to nerf all the assault bonuses, the weapons used on them, and the smg so the heavies and scouts are the only ones that can kill. -rolls his eyes and says all of that with heavy sarcasm.-

your the one who cant seem to shoot a scrmbler rifle without overheating... you seem to think that its 150-200dps advantage is somehow mitigated by overheat simply becuase you havnt figured out how to not let it overheat yet.

you do realise ghost that if your not heating up the weapon as fast as you can your not doing this terrible dps everybody is banging on about dont you

heat is on a time formula not a per shot basis

weather you fire 8 shots or 11 its the same amount of heat cost

its the same formula the laser rifle uses

i know what the formula is, but to get the highest amount of damage you have to heat the weapon up, or tap fire for low dps till the end of the clip, ergo if you dont heat up and take the cooldown penalty your not doing good dps are you

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Echo 1991 WarRavens 416	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:33:00 - [61] - Quote Can someone explain this skill that is required to use the ScR? Cos as far as im aware making sure you dont overheat isnt a skill. Also dont mention the damage profile cos it does the same amount of damage to armour as a rail rifle. im surprised at how many people think having a gun that can deal 400+ alpha damage from 70 meters away is balanced just because it can overheat.
Groz'zar Kazoku Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 94	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:34:00 - [62] - Quote Then the CR, RR, and AR need nerfs too. Simple as that. they all kill things so they need nerfed.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 198	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:34:00 - [63] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: its more the combo of scrambler AND smg thats overpowered then the scrambler rifle alone and a nerf to the smg wont mitigate that only a nerf to the ROF of the scrambler rifle will really m8, people using a bit intelligence to mitigate a primary weapons weakness makes it op, do you have to do this when using assault, rail or combat rifles i dont think so you cant do it with rail or combat rifles as the ion pistol is trash and the scrambler pistol cant hack it as an opener and yes you should be doing it with the plasma rifle as well though its pointless as you should be running a scrabler or combat rifle instead last time i got my shields stripped by any of the other rifles you know what they keep doing? they keep shooting till the end of the mag because it would be a waste of time to switch to secondary. but whatever if you have to swap from scram to smg it must be op right lets just burn this motherfucker down
Echo 1991 WarRavens 416	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:37:00 - [64] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Then the CR, RR, and AR need nerfs too. Simple as that. they all kill things so they need nerfed. agree with the CR, RR is fine just dont try and engage at a distance you know you cant deal effective damage. Why does the AR need a nerf? It has a 44 meter optimal range after that it gets real bad real fast.
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 78	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:42:00 - [65] - Quote Lol. It not a problem in pubs or PC... Right now the rail rifle is the most common pubs weapon and the cr is the most common proto weapon... The second everyone switches to scr let me know... Oh wait they wont, because it's been around for ages and has never been a problem... The ascr needs a buff badly it's like finding a five leaf clover in pubs now to see an ascr user... I used to love it on my amarr logi but the rr and cr just outcompete it... Most of these 1000 ehp assaults are hard to kill with a scr without overheating anyway, it takes balanced firing unlike a rr which is point and hold the trigger.... If anyone has the problem with a scr use it and I will personally buttwhip you with a creodron breach ar and show you how op it is NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2197	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:55:00 - [66] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: I am hearing more about you inability to use weapons then problems. I have seen videos recent ones with people going 30/4 with Ion pistols only. is it op? no. its just skill making up for weapon weaknesses. your argument about nerfing one weapon based off it being used with another is just pure stupidity. if thats the case we need to nerf all the assault bonuses, the weapons used on them, and the smg so the heavies and scouts are the only ones that can kill. -rolls his eyes and says all of that with heavy sarcasm.- your the one who cant seem to shoot a scrmbler rifle without overheating... you seem to think that its 150-200dps advantage is somehow mitigated by overheat simply becuase you havnt figured out how to not let it overheat yet. Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
Ace Boone Pure Evil. 285	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:58:00 - [67] - Quote Atiim wrote: Atiim wrote: Less dispersion than weapons specifically designed for CQC RoF that can't be reached by humans if this is fine, may I have my pre-nerf TAR back? If you stopped running such gankable minmitar heavies, then we wouldn't have to murder you so much. Only loyal to the republic.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 199	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:10:00 - [68] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: I am hearing more about you inability to use weapons then problems. I have seen videos recent ones with people going 30/4 with Ion pistols only. is it op? no. its just skill making up for weapon weaknesses. your argument about nerfing one weapon based off it being used with another is just pure stupidity. if thats the case we need to nerf all the assault bonuses, the weapons used on them, and the smg so the heavies and scouts are the only ones that can kill. -rolls his eyes and says all of that with heavy sarcasm.- your the one who cant seem to shoot a scrmbler rifle without overheating... you seem to think that its 150-200dps advantage is somehow mitigated by overheat simply becuase you havnt figured out how to not let it overheat yet. you do realise ghost that if your not heating up the weapon as fast as you can your not doing this terrible dps everybody is banging on about dont you lets just burn this motherfucker down
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2197	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:14:00 - [69] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: I am hearing more about you inability to use weapons then problems. I have seen videos recent ones with people going 30/4 with Ion pistols only. is it op? no. its just skill making up for weapon weaknesses. your argument about nerfing one weapon based off it being used with another is just pure stupidity. if thats the case we need to nerf all the assault bonuses, the weapons used on them, and the smg so the heavies and scouts are the only ones that can kill. -rolls his eyes and says all of that with heavy sarcasm.- your the one who cant seem to shoot a scrmbler rifle without overheating... you seem to think that its 150-200dps advantage is somehow mitigated by overheat simply becuase you havnt figured out how to not let it overheat yet. you do realise ghost that if your not heating up the weapon as fast as you can your not doing this terrible dps everybody is banging on about dont you heat is on a time formula not a per shot basis weather you fire 8 shots or 11 its the same amount of heat cost its the same formula the laser rifle uses Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
Zindorak 1.U.P 736	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:15:00 - [70] - Quote This is getting dumb. Which weapons come up on the kill feed the most. RR then CR then HMG and Shotgun. Then the occasional Mass Driver, AR and Sidearms. If the ScR is that OP why aren't people using it over RR or CR Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad

Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 199	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:19:00 - [71] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: I am hearing more about you inability to use weapons then problems. I have seen videos recent ones with people going 30/4 with Ion pistols only. is it op? no. its just skill making up for weapon weaknesses. your argument about nerfing one weapon based off it being used with another is just pure stupidity. if thats the case we need to nerf all the assault bonuses, the weapons used on them, and the smg so the heavies and scouts are the only ones that can kill. -rolls his eyes and says all of that with heavy sarcasm.- your the one who cant seem to shoot a scrmbler rifle without overheating... you seem to think that its 150-200dps advantage is somehow mitigated by overheat simply becuase you havnt figured out how to not let it overheat yet. you do realise ghost that if your not heating up the weapon as fast as you can your not doing this terrible dps everybody is banging on about dont you heat is on a time formula not a per shot basis weather you fire 8 shots or 11 its the same amount of heat cost its the same formula the laser rifle uses i know what the formula is, but to get the highest amount of damage you have to heat the weapon up, or tap fire for low dps till the end of the clip, ergo if you dont heat up and take the cooldown penalty your not doing good dps are you lets just burn this motherfucker down
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2200	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:33:00 - [72] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: I am hearing more about you inability to use weapons then problems. I have seen videos recent ones with people going 30/4 with Ion pistols only. is it op? no. its just skill making up for weapon weaknesses. your argument about nerfing one weapon based off it being used with another is just pure stupidity. if thats the case we need to nerf all the assault bonuses, the weapons used on them, and the smg so the heavies and scouts are the only ones that can kill. -rolls his eyes and says all of that with heavy sarcasm.- your the one who cant seem to shoot a scrmbler rifle without overheating... you seem to think that its 150-200dps advantage is somehow mitigated by overheat simply becuase you havnt figured out how to not let it overheat yet. you do realise ghost that if your not heating up the weapon as fast as you can your not doing this terrible dps everybody is banging on about dont you heat is on a time formula not a per shot basis weather you fire 8 shots or 11 its the same amount of heat cost its the same formula the laser rifle uses i know what the formula is, but to get the highest amount of damage you have to heat the weapon up, or tap fire for low dps till the end of the clip, ergo if you dont heat up and take the cooldown penalty your not doing good dps are you step 1 shoot 8 shots do insane dps step 2 swap to sidearm for finisher theres no heat in the dps equasion Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 199	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:43:00 - [73] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: step 1 shoot 8 shots do insane dps step 2 swap to sidearm for finisher theres no heat in the dps equasion just simply fire 8 shots then swap, once you swap back there will be no heat buildup and you can repeat this making it so that heat is a nonfactor being able to switch to a side arm to negate a primary weapons weakness should have no bearing on balance. otherwise what your basically saying is that the scram is flawed somehow lets just burn this motherfucker down
Zindorak 1.U.P 739	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:45:00 - [74] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: step 1 shoot 8 shots do insane dps step 2 swap to sidearm for finisher theres no heat in the dps equasion just simply fire 8 shots then swap, once you swap back there will be no heat buildup and you can repeat this making it so that heat is a nonfactor being able to switch to a side arm to negate a primary weapons weakness should have no bearing on balance. otherwise what your basically saying is that the scram is flawed somehow also you can do this with a CR or a RR or HMG Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 712	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:48:00 - [75] - Quote People just love to cry OP because they can not accept the fact that they are not as good as they think they are. All of us have called a death that was our fault bullshit in the past. The only way to actually fix the perception that many of your deaths are not your fault is to see video of the game play. I use to love that Halo did this. Watching a battle after where you died to "bullshit" often shows you were just unaware of that other person, or that big opening you were giving them.
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 761	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:49:00 - [76] - Quote Please stop comparing weapon combos to single weapons. It's just absurd. The only thing that's needs changing with handheld weapons is for heat (ScR HMG) and kick (all) to be based on shots, not seconds. This would remove the turbos as well as make kick and heat an actual drawback. Right now kick is minimal and heat only occurs on the ScR, LR and HMG. AR needs a little buff. I don't see how the per shot mechanic wasn't done along time ago, except of course the LR as it's a beam. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Zindorak 1.U.P 740	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:50:00 - [77] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Please stop comparing weapon combos to single weapons. It's just absurd. The only thing that's needs changing with handheld weapons is for heat (ScR HMG) and kick (all) to be based on shots, not seconds. This would remove the turbos as well as make kick and heat an actual drawback. Right now kick is minimal and heat only occurs on the ScR, LR and HMG. AR needs a little buff. I don't see how the per shot mechanic wasn't done along time ago, except of course the LR as it's a beam. Yea I like the AR but it's just bad right now Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2201	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:55:00 - [78] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Please stop comparing weapon combos to single weapons. It's just absurd. The only thing that's needs changing with handheld weapons is for heat (ScR HMG) and kick (all) to be based on shots, not seconds. This would remove the turbos as well as make kick and heat an actual drawback. Right now kick is minimal and heat only occurs on the ScR, LR and HMG. AR needs a little buff. I don't see how the per shot mechanic wasn't done along time ago, except of course the LR as it's a beam. Yea I like the AR but it's just bad right now technically the inclusion of any sidearm tips the balance. and yes a scrambler rifle/sidearm combo making everything else obsolete is the definition of imbalance and im compairing the combo of scrambler sidearm to all other rifles+ sidearm Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 199	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:57:00 - [79] - Quote if anybody wants to vent there anger over what looks like my obsessive defense of the scrambler i will be on later on tonight drunk and easy prey lets just burn this motherfucker down
Zindorak 1.U.P 740	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:58:00 - [80] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: People just love to cry OP because they can not accept the fact that they are not as good as they think they are. All of us have called a death that was our fault bullshit in the past. The only way to actually fix the perception that many of your deaths are not your fault is to see video of the game play. I use to love that Halo did this. Watching a battle after where you died to "bullshit" often shows you were just unaware of that other person, or that big opening you were giving them. Yea i agree +1 Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad

Mejt0 The Only Survivor. 434	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:20:00 - [81] - Quote Lest talk about few things. 1. ScR + smg. You can do this only to x meters. Smg have short range. Also switching guns lowers your dps output. 2. ScR dps. Decent human will make 8-10shoots/sec. Dont count ScR dps with flat 705/60 math. 3. If its so much greater that other rifles, how is it that almost nobody uses it? CR/RR dominate around rifles. How is that ,,FOTM,, chasers dont use it? Exactly. Its not that good as you think. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2201	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:29:00 - [82] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Lest talk about few things. 1. ScR + smg. You can do this only to x meters. Smg have short range. Also switching guns lowers your dps output. 2. ScR dps. Decent human will make 8-10shoots/sec. Dont count ScR dps with flat 705/60 math. 3. If its so much greater that other rifles, how is it that almost nobody uses it? CR/RR dominate around rifles. How is that ,,FOTM,, chasers dont use it? Exactly. Its not that good as you think. its so good that its forcing a metagame shift to stacking as much armor as you possably can weather people are activly using it as their dominant rifle or not its forcing a limited number of viable options the scrabler rifle is the cause of that shift. and its why armor tanked suits are the only viable option right now, im assuming people are running combat rifles as a means to combat the bricked armor tanking but hold back the scrambler rifle to counter anyone not following that trend, limiting the viable options to gallente and amaar to retain enough armor to place themselves with enough armor to survive the initial scrambler burst stacking armor like that provides the best chance of beating the scrambler player while using the ombat rifle gives the best advantage against armor. the scrambler rifle is the sole reason armor so so dominant, its the sole reason theres so few competitive options Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 801	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:48:00 - [83] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: my arguments have included 1) it has a 50% or more dps advantage 2) its firing mechanism makes it harder to dodge do to lack of predictable RoF spread 3) its amazing at both CqC and long range 4) comboed with the SMG it has no inherant weakness and doesnt suffer against armor based suits like it should 5) it dominates the metagame rendering nearly every other playstyle and combo obsolete OP has put forth the following arguments without countering the above arguments 1) Nuh-unh its definatly not 2) i see people in pubs using all sorts of things 3) im not good with the scrambler rifle 4) but it tottaly has overheat guys 5) chances ghost is a noob trying to sound smart and so his opinion is invalid 6) math means nothing I wondered, but didn't realize you were the same person. YouTube
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2201	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:49:00 - [84] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: I wondered, but didn't realize you were the same person. main got banned for trolling to hard :P Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 801	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:53:00 - [85] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: I wondered, but didn't realize you were the same person. main got banned for trolling to hard :P What is your suggestion for fixing? YouTube
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1865	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:56:00 - [86] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Zindorak wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Please stop comparing weapon combos to single weapons. It's just absurd. The only thing that's needs changing with handheld weapons is for heat (ScR HMG) and kick (all) to be based on shots, not seconds. This would remove the turbos as well as make kick and heat an actual drawback. Right now kick is minimal and heat only occurs on the ScR, LR and HMG. AR needs a little buff. I don't see how the per shot mechanic wasn't done along time ago, except of course the LR as it's a beam. Yea I like the AR but it's just bad right now technically the inclusion of any sidearm tips the balance. and yes a scrambler rifle/sidearm combo making everything else obsolete is the definition of imbalance and im compairing the combo of scrambler sidearm to all other rifles+ sidearm by your logic is the ScP OP? After all once you drop their shields you can just swap to a SMG Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2201	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:05:00 - [87] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: I wondered, but didn't realize you were the same person. main got banned for trolling to hard :P What is your suggestion for fixing? lowering the rate of fire wouldnt kill it but would remove the nessesity for stacking so much armor changing its damage profile to 110-90 may alieviate the need to stack so much armor as well without hurting its anti-shield properties either way its dps needs to be brought down so that it doesnt have that 150 dps advantage. all in all i dont see it being balanced out with a single change, its going to require a combo effort in both changing the weapon slightly AND making shield modules more valueble. the problem is that its such a good counter to shields that it removes them from validity just from exsisting while at the same time theres not an equal counter to armor (not that there should be) granted if there were an equal counter to armor in the way that the scrambler counters shields we would indeed see balance relativly quickly as it would make armor and shields equally invalid, but this of course would just bring back pure brick tanking with players aiming to maximize both shield HP and armor HP. another option would be to buff the HP of shields to make them able to withstand scrambler more and making shield tanking an excelent counter to combat rifles. its a tricky thing it really is, and CCP is really between a rock and a hard place ATM becuase its not easy to balance all this for competitive play. balancing this problem out is probably the most difficult balancing act the game can have becuase a step in the wrong direction invalidates at least half of all options. Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2201	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:06:00 - [88] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Zindorak wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Please stop comparing weapon combos to single weapons. It's just absurd. The only thing that's needs changing with handheld weapons is for heat (ScR HMG) and kick (all) to be based on shots, not seconds. This would remove the turbos as well as make kick and heat an actual drawback. Right now kick is minimal and heat only occurs on the ScR, LR and HMG. AR needs a little buff. I don't see how the per shot mechanic wasn't done along time ago, except of course the LR as it's a beam. Yea I like the AR but it's just bad right now technically the inclusion of any sidearm tips the balance. and yes a scrambler rifle/sidearm combo making everything else obsolete is the definition of imbalance and im compairing the combo of scrambler sidearm to all other rifles+ sidearm by your logic is the ScP OP? After all once you drop their shields you can just swap to a SMG 300RPM prevents that it just cant put out the dps to make it work while the scrambler rifle can Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7406	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:12:00 - [89] - Quote It's usually an Amarr defending the Scrambler Rifle. I always like to go back to the Duvolle Tactical Defenders from the days of old to get the point across. Of course they'll miss it and bring up a bs counter to it but it still stands. People will always defend their crutch and it doesn't matter what reason and logic you bring to the discussion there will always be a person saying an OP item is not OP. Beta Tanks, Beta Small Missiles, OHK Flux Grenades, Chrome Laser Rifle, Old Grenades, Duvolle Tactical Rifle, Logistics LAVs, Flaylock Pistol, Rail Rifle, Combat Rifle, Scrambler Rifle and Brick Tanked Scouts. They all have been defended by one scrub or the other but in the end, looking back, every one of the listed things was OP and needed a nerf. Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1866	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:20:00 - [90] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Zindorak wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Please stop comparing weapon combos to single weapons. It's just absurd. The only thing that's needs changing with handheld weapons is for heat (ScR HMG) and kick (all) to be based on shots, not seconds. This would remove the turbos as well as make kick and heat an actual drawback. Right now kick is minimal and heat only occurs on the ScR, LR and HMG. AR needs a little buff. I don't see how the per shot mechanic wasn't done along time ago, except of course the LR as it's a beam. Yea I like the AR but it's just bad right now technically the inclusion of any sidearm tips the balance. and yes a scrambler rifle/sidearm combo making everything else obsolete is the definition of imbalance and im compairing the combo of scrambler sidearm to all other rifles+ sidearm by your logic is the ScP OP? After all once you drop their shields you can just swap to a SMG 300RPM prevents that it just cant put out the dps to make it work while the scrambler rifle can but in skilled hands it can are you factoring in the 450% headshot bonus? after all you are using a lot of sparkly what ifs in your ScR "logic" EDIT: AScP DPS is a whopping 1809.06 at BASIC BEFORE PROFICIENCY OR DMG MODS Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r



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