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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:04:00 -
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After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m.
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Vordred Knight
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:10:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m.
you lie your sitting at 34 mil sp :P
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:15:00 -
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Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:22:00 -
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Vordred Knight wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. you lie your sitting at 34 mil sp :P
Hmm am I ?
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:25:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility
Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:31:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.
Wait, you're upset you can't use a heavy weapon on a light suit, so you want a respec?
Train reading comprehension to at least 3 first, then... well, still no respec.
Train a heavy suit, train Forge, now you have assaults AND heavies, no need to logout of game to switch styles. You've just doubled your potential benefit in match. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:36:00 -
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Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.
The OP is a great player so he's not one that would greatly benefit from one. But how many blueberries might be decent with a respec? How many players would come back if they advertised it (newsletter)? There is literally nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:37:00 -
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I'm always in favor of a respec because I believe it encourages competition. Also I want my SP in swarm launchers back.
Was just playing with a newberry last night that created a character and then didn't play. When he did decide to play he had 4 mil sp and ended up dumping it into a suit (I forget which) and the AR because some dude wiped the floor with him using that. He went on about how he couldn't understand how that guy pretty much insta killed him with the same thing he's getting wrecked in. I asked him what his core skills where on and he didn't know what I was talking about so I explained it to him. Afterwards he said he wished there was a way to refund skill points; I told him they have done a few respecs but it's not likely that they'll do another one; to which he told me that sucks.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:43:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive..
That right there is the reason I believe most of the anti-respec people are against them. A lot of dust players are afraid of competition; of course they'll never admit it but it's easy to tell which of them are (especially when they rage against respecs).
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4441
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:47:00 -
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I think it comes from Eve.
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OZAROW
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:50:00 -
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Reads corp name, laughs and cares that much less.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:52:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Reads corp name, laughs and cares that much less.
I don't get it
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3355
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:54:00 -
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So you'd rather me not help you AV when a team is getting vehicle stomped? At least some people understand though, my faith has been restored!
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:55:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it comes from Eve.
It does.
I came to Dust because of it's (supposed) tie to EVE. The back stabbing, team killing, "keep you a$$ cheeks tight cuz you don''t know who's behind you", no place safe that I know and love.
Granted, CCP did a lot of things that torpedoed this game long before Fanfest '14.
As for the competition part, I already suck, an if I got a respec the points would go right back into the places they are now.
The anti-respec crowd also comes from the fact that people whine so much about snipers, forges, tanks, ads, REs, CR, AR, Lazors, Scramblers.... getting the point? Something get's balanced, people respec, now ALL you see in the field is the new FOTM. At least w/o a respec, it takes a few weeks before everyone is running the FOTM. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:00:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it comes from Eve. It does. I came to Dust because of it's (supposed) tie to EVE. The back stabbing, team killing, "keep you a$$ cheeks tight cuz you don''t know who's behind you", no place safe that I know and love. Granted, CCP did a lot of things that torpedoed this game long before Fanfest '14. As for the competition part, I already suck, an if I got a respec the points would go right back into the places they are now. The anti-respec crowd also comes from the fact that people whine so much about snipers, forges, tanks, ads, REs, CR, AR, Lazors, Scramblers.... getting the point? Something get's balanced, people respec, now ALL you see in the field is the new FOTM. At least w/o a respec, it takes a few weeks before everyone is running the FOTM.
I understand this but still.. Most of them already have fotm, if it's that much of a bother then have CCP transfer my aur and omega over to my alt psn. There now I have what I need without capping 2 characters every week.
I can't leave this acc cuz it has 200k aur which I hope transfers to legion. But a respec would benefit more players than not.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4447
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:01:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it comes from Eve. It does. I came to Dust because of it's (supposed) tie to EVE. The back stabbing, team killing, "keep you a$$ cheeks tight cuz you don''t know who's behind you", no place safe that I know and love. Granted, CCP did a lot of things that torpedoed this game long before Fanfest '14. As for the competition part, I already suck, an if I got a respec the points would go right back into the places they are now. The anti-respec crowd also comes from the fact that people whine so much about snipers, forges, tanks, ads, REs, CR, AR, Lazors, Scramblers.... getting the point? Something get's balanced, people respec, now ALL you see in the field is the new FOTM. At least w/o a respec, it takes a few weeks before everyone is running the FOTM.
But if it is unbalanced then it gets balanced quickly. So who cares? This isn't the Dust of 2013 where stuff stayed broken for 6 months. Rattati is doing a good job balancing a game that would be a nightmare to try and balance.
There are a lot of things that could be FOTM right now. I personally think the Gal Scout is the deadliest suit in the hands of the right person, but I don't see them being spammed right now. The Cal Assault is a great suit as well. The CR, the RR, the SCR are all whined about. Then the HMG.
In other words I don't think there is anything like the Calogi of old that you can point to and say "there's the FOTM".
Add in the fact that FW is more active and I think a lot of people would skill into the faction they like. I don't think the FOTM deal carries even remotely the amount of weight that it did 6 months ago.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:01:00 -
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call me cynical but if ccp gave full respecs the vast majority would skill into heavies with hmgs and scouts with shotguns
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:05:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:call me cynical but if ccp gave full respecs the vast majority would skill into heavies with hmgs and scouts with shotguns
90% of dust already has that so not much would change.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:08:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:OZAROW wrote:Reads corp name, laughs and cares that much less. I don't get it
Heimdallr69 is in Nyain San, the legendary FOTM corp. The one people point to when something is OP and say "See, if it wasn't OP they wouldn't be running squads of it". I don't see them enough anymore to know if it holds true these days.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4447
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:08:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:call me cynical but if ccp gave full respecs the vast majority would skill into heavies with hmgs and scouts with shotguns 90% of dust already has that so not much would change.
But I don't buy it.
There are people who decided they like to logi and have SP in all kinds of crap that could be spent on better equipment. You have scouts that want to slay with the new assault suits. You could go on. The biggest benefactors would be the scrubbiest people in Dust that have figured out the skilling system enough to make themselves better with wiser choices.
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Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:08:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:call me cynical but if ccp gave full respecs the vast majority would skill into heavies with hmgs and scouts with shotguns 90% of dust already has that so not much would change.
i do still get the odd game now and then with variety in dropsuits, but full respecs would kill that off totally
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:14:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:call me cynical but if ccp gave full respecs the vast majority would skill into heavies with hmgs and scouts with shotguns 90% of dust already has that so not much would change. i do still get the odd game now and then with variety in dropsuits, but full respecs would kill that off totally
That's BS.
I don't know much about the Gal Assault, but the other three assaults are VERY powerful.
Campers love the Cal Commando with RR. The Amarr and Min scouts are actually viable now (the min scout is crazy fun).
I think more than likely you'll see a lot of people move from scouts and heavies back into assault.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:17:00 -
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After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered.
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:25:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.
Forge plugh av makes me spit. The only appropriate av is a particle cannon.
Why?
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:25:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m.
did you miss title of name EVE/dust 514 in eve there are no respecs thats a 10 year game u read spec your stuff if you dont like it allwell get more skillpoints spec next thing if u dont like reading mabey this game is not the one for you....ive been given option of respec but never did it except for forced respecs that never shouldve happened
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:27:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered.
lol i played destiny its a money grab lol
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:34:00 -
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. did you miss title of name EVE/dust 514 in eve there are no respecs thats a 10 year game u read spec your stuff if you dont like it allwell get more skillpoints spec next thing if u dont like reading mabey this game is not the one for you....ive been given option of respec but never did it except for forced respecs that never shouldve happened
But Dust has been shelved for a different game because it wasn't as successful as they'd hoped.
Maybe they should have tried leveling out the multipliers a bit and offering respecs. Maybe increased payouts. Maybe made the rollover system a thing.
Perhaps it would wiser to try to appeal to a wider group of people or at least look at an alternative approach when so many veteran players start to leave.
Bigger playerbase > MMO space game mantra
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:34:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered.
Or, you could just train into something else. You've got the core done, right? So throw SP into another suit to adv and play it.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:40:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered. Or, you could just train into something else. You've got the core done, right? So throw SP into another suit to adv and play it. You're acting like you can't advance yourself at all anymore.
I think you are missing the point. It appears he doesn't want to grind to something else when he has the SP he could use.
Would it be better if we could update our skill queue and log off for a month?
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:41:00 -
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If you wanted to get down to it, I think Eve would be better off for the next 10 years if they gave players more of a reason to play. Active SP is much better in my opinion than passive SP.
And it's kind of a moot point. Someone in Eve can sell their character and buy one that's skilled the way they like.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:41:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:call me cynical but if ccp gave full respecs the vast majority would skill into heavies with hmgs and scouts with shotguns 90% of dust already has that so not much would change. i do still get the odd game now and then with variety in dropsuits, but full respecs would kill that off totally That's BS. I don't know much about the Gal Assault, but the other three assaults are VERY powerful. Campers love the Cal Commando with RR. The Amarr and Min scouts are actually viable now (the min scout is crazy fun). I think more than likely you'll see a lot of people move from scouts and heavies back into assault.
Personally I'm loving the Gal Assault. It's the main suit I use on more open maps; I've got like 10 different fits of it.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:42:00 -
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And there are a lot of people I know that love it too. Just another example of the FOTM crap being overstated.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:44:00 -
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I should say that I wouldn't spend my SP any differently either.
MAYBE I'd skill into the Min Heavy instead of the Cal Heavy and dump my SP from Amarr Commando and Heavy toward getting my Min Commando to proto. Just so I'd have all the Minmatar suits proto.
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:48:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.. That right there is the reason I believe most of the anti-respec people are against them. A lot of dust players are afraid of competition; of course they'll never admit it but it's easy to tell which of them are (especially when they rage against respecs).
Well, for most dust 514 players, there is no competition. You wake up in the morning, brush your teeth, go to battle, die a hundred times, get redlined, come home, brush your teeth, go to bed. Repeat.
Actually, it's not that bad, but respecs only really help out vets. That being said, I'm all up for a respec, even though I would probably spec back into everything I have right now.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:56:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.. That right there is the reason I believe most of the anti-respec people are against them. A lot of dust players are afraid of competition; of course they'll never admit it but it's easy to tell which of them are (especially when they rage against respecs). Well, for most dust 514 players, there is no competition. You wake up in the morning, brush your teeth, go to battle, die a hundred times, get redlined, come home, brush your teeth, go to bed. Repeat. Actually, it's not that bad, but respecs only really help out vets. That being said, I'm all up for a respec, even though I would probably spec back into everything I have right now.
Maxed out DS upgrades (except for melee mods)
12 ADV (3 proto) suits (4th proto by end of 3x event)
All but Sniper and Plasma Cannon are proto in LW
Both heavy weapons proto
3 proto sidearms and others ADV
If this was you, how would you spend your SP differently to make yourself more powerful as a vet?
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
2037
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:59:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:[quote=Thor Odinson42]Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
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That right there needs to be the final check before doing any change. Will it force people out? I love peer review and good discussions but sometimes the final decision is not going to meet the stated goals, staying with the change while ignoring the negative ramifications is just poor design.
When it come to CCP's FPS unless you have extremely large SP totals changes can wreck your abilities to be competive of even enjoy the game. Last December the Devs took a sledge hammer to my Sentinel Main. With the changes of Uprising 1.8 he's playable again but the poor decisions on CCP's part still force me to use one primary weapon (which is still better than none).
I'm a fan of targeted SP refunds. If the SP for Forge Guns and Caldari Sentinel were returned a good chunk of my anger towards CCP and Devs would go away.
Either or if CCP is going to kick someone in the nuts at least offer them something back. SP is the easiest form of compensation.
I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers.
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DozersMouse XIII
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:03:00 -
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instead of asking CCP for a respec
we should be asking CCP for a dropsuit command SP refund
they just might fall for it
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:04:00 -
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why is ccp so against respecs? they could make tons of money by selling respec tickets. And if people are so worried that it allows vets to go fotm every month, then why not make the respec cost x amount of money and x% of life time sp, so you don't get a full refund.
people would still buy the respecs.
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Seigfried Warheit
Caught Me With My Pants Down
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:04:00 -
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Vets already got like how many respecs now? Another wont hurt them or benefit them if they already have what they want. Dunno why they get all pissy about respecs.
I am a prof. V scrub. I have no honor
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4453
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:04:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Thumb Green wrote:[quote=Thor Odinson42]Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
snip That right there needs to be the final check before doing any change. Will it force people out? I love peer review and good discussions but sometimes the final decision is not going to meet the stated goals, staying with the change while ignoring the negative ramifications is just poor design. When it come to CCP's FPS unless you have extremely large SP totals changes can wreck your abilities to be competive of even enjoy the game. Last December the Devs took a sledge hammer to my Sentinel Main. With the changes of Uprising 1.8 he's playable again but the poor decisions on CCP's part still force me to use one primary weapon (which is still better than none). I'm a fan of targeted SP refunds. If the SP for Forge Guns and Caldari Sentinel were returned a good chunk of my anger towards CCP and Devs would go away. Either or if CCP is going to kick someone in the nuts at least offer them something back. SP is the easiest form of compensation.
It's a nobrainer.
Would people stop playing if people were offered respecs? I find it highly unlikely and it would be dwarfed by the number of people who have rage quit after nerfs.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4453
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:07:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:why is ccp so against respecs? they could make tons of money by selling respec tickets. And if people are so worried that it allows vets to go fotm every month, then why not make the respec cost x amount of money and x% of life time sp, so you don't get a full refund.
people would still buy the respecs.
I think they'd be better off chasing money elsewhere. FW is the place I think they could make the most money. I could see people buying FW boosters if the right tweaks were made.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Riruodo wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.. That right there is the reason I believe most of the anti-respec people are against them. A lot of dust players are afraid of competition; of course they'll never admit it but it's easy to tell which of them are (especially when they rage against respecs). Well, for most dust 514 players, there is no competition. You wake up in the morning, brush your teeth, go to battle, die a hundred times, get redlined, come home, brush your teeth, go to bed. Repeat. Actually, it's not that bad, but respecs only really help out vets. That being said, I'm all up for a respec, even though I would probably spec back into everything I have right now.
Lol.. Vets benefit far less from it than newberries that improperly spent their SP. Vets have the SP to spare to skill into whatever strikes their fancy and if we don't it's nothing to grind for it because we already have solid fits to fall back on.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
194
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:07:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.
i just went on proto fits and knocked up an a-1 sentinel with proto forge, if your core skills are maxed with this event you could have it in 1 or 2 weeks, nut the **** up man cmon
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:09:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.
The OP is a great player so he's not one that would greatly benefit from one. But how many blueberries might be decent with a respec? How many players would come back if they advertised it (newsletter)? There is literally nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain.
Simple the anti-respec brigade is all about telling the FoTM chasers to stop being scrubs that chase after the next OP thing and learn to use what you got.
If your not happy with what you got then just save up the sp to get what you want. There ar more then enough triple sp events, and even without them you can easily get into a heavy and a forge gun in 1-2 weeks.
Not to mention that with the combo of swarm, av nades an proxy mines that an assault suit can very easy take out a tank.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4455
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:12:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:instead of asking CCP for a respec we should be asking CCP for a dropsuit command SP refund they just might fall for it
I agree, but I'd rather all the noobs that have done stupid things with their SP be able to get focused into something more viable.
I'd really love to see an asset refund as well so they might actually fight a little with that more viable suit.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4455
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:13:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.
The OP is a great player so he's not one that would greatly benefit from one. But how many blueberries might be decent with a respec? How many players would come back if they advertised it (newsletter)? There is literally nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain. Simple the anti-respec brigade is all about telling the FoTM chasers to stop being scrubs that chase after the next OP thing and learn to use what you got. If your not happy with what you got then just save up the sp to get what you want. There ar more then enough triple sp events, and even without them you can easily get into a heavy and a forge gun in 1-2 weeks. Not to mention that with the combo of swarm, av nades an proxy mines that an assault suit can very easy take out a tank.
I've already responded to all those things and I still don't see the benefit of NOT doing it.
Which suit do you think is FOTM?
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:16:00 -
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. did you miss title of name EVE/dust 514 in eve there are no respecs thats a 10 year game u read spec your stuff if you dont like it allwell get more skillpoints spec next thing if u dont like reading mabey this game is not the one for you....ive been given option of respec but never did it except for forced respecs that never shouldve happened
Um in eve skills are based on real time not sp, so idk what eve your playing but in my eve if i want a new ship i have to wait hours, days, weeks, even months to get them, and there is no such thing as a respec. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
267
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered. lol i played destiny its a money grab lol
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4462
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:25:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered. lol i played destiny its a money grab lol And Dust isn't just a money grab?
Not enough of one or we'd be waiting on Dust 2.0 on PS4.
It's weird to me that people are against respecs but they are okay with some players being able to buy AUR gear that gets them into a suit with lower SP. Granted the bonuses aren't as strong, but still.
We all have to agree that games need money to go on. CCP did a good job in making people spend money. It didn't do a good job keeping them around. I blame the lack of respecs as a major factor. I'd also say that the grind was a major factor.
Maybe the rollover system would have prevented people from being so angry when the stuff they grinded for was nerfed. But clocking in like it's a job for weekly cap is a big factor in the hostility.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4462
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:28:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. did you miss title of name EVE/dust 514 in eve there are no respecs thats a 10 year game u read spec your stuff if you dont like it allwell get more skillpoints spec next thing if u dont like reading mabey this game is not the one for you....ive been given option of respec but never did it except for forced respecs that never shouldve happened Um in eve skills are based on real time not sp, so idk what eve your playing but in my eve if i want a new ship i have to wait hours, days, weeks, even months to get them, and there is no such thing as a respec.
So you think Dust would be better off if people logged in and updated their skill queue then logged off?
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently. i just went on proto fits and knocked up an a-1 sentinel with proto forge, if your core skills are maxed with this event you could have it in 1 or 2 weeks, nut the **** up man cmon. infact **** combat and rail rifles that is what im skilling next
I have all rifles pro 5 they're boring.
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Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
794
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:42:00 -
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Or you can buy my maxed hmg/forge/core heavy gk.0 with 2.5 million unallocated SP for $39.99!
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4469
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:44:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Or you can buy my maxed hmg/forge/core heavy gk.0 with 2.5 million unallocated SP for $39.99!
I'd be down with it. But I think it would stop people's heart if CCP announced that.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3365
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:45:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Or you can buy my maxed hmg/forge/core heavy gk.0 with 2.5 million unallocated SP for $39.99!
Or I could on my alt but that's not the point. If they don't want to do a respec they could at least transfer my aur.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:Or you can buy my maxed hmg/forge/core heavy gk.0 with 2.5 million unallocated SP for $39.99! I'd be down with it. But I think it would stop people's heart if CCP announced that.
Oh I thought he meant like his actual acc Lolz I'm dumb 
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
194
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:46:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently. i just went on proto fits and knocked up an a-1 sentinel with proto forge, if your core skills are maxed with this event you could have it in 1 or 2 weeks, nut the **** up man cmon. infact **** combat and rail rifles that is what im skilling next I have all rifles pro 5 they're boring.
whats the rifles got to do with anything when you said you wanted av, which i pointed out you could have very quickly?
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1402
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:50:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:OZAROW wrote:Reads corp name, laughs and cares that much less. I don't get it Heimdallr69 is in Nyain San, the legendary FOTM corp. The one people point to when something is OP and say "See, if it wasn't OP they wouldn't be running squads of it". I don't see them enough anymore to know if it holds true these days.
One could look at your corp name and think, "Just a bunch of scrubs. Ignore". However, the mature and level headed won't fall into that trap.
And, FYI, Heim is anything but a FOTM chaser -- if anything, he's the antithesis of FOTM. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4470
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:51:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently. i just went on proto fits and knocked up an a-1 sentinel with proto forge, if your core skills are maxed with this event you could have it in 1 or 2 weeks, nut the **** up man cmon. infact **** combat and rail rifles that is what im skilling next I have all rifles pro 5 they're boring. whats the rifles got to do with anything when you said you wanted av, which i pointed out you could have very quickly?
Explain what it would hurt if he was able to take his SP from Rail Rifle and put it into FG? Try to put some thought into it.
Not just, because Eve.
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
329
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:55:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:why is ccp so against respecs? they could make tons of money by selling respec tickets. And if people are so worried that it allows vets to go fotm every month, then why not make the respec cost x amount of money and x% of life time sp, so you don't get a full refund.
people would still buy the respecs.
Or they could make it availible quarterly.
Why?
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Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
794
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:56:00 -
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Man, CCP can suck my ****, no charge. Maybe $3.95 for licking & handling.
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:57:00 -
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@thor
he could go av and keep what he has now, it would only take a week or two, i dont see the the problem, sorry i just dont
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:59:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility
logi is life.. logi is WIN
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4474
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:59:00 -
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Explain what it would hurt if he was able to take his SP from Rail Rifle and put it into FG? Try to put some thought into it.
Not just, because Eve.[/quote]
after this event he could have proto forge and keep his rail, then its just playing the like everybody else
[/quote]
Do you know how to read?
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
194
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:02:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Explain what it would hurt if he was able to take his SP from Rail Rifle and put it into FG? Try to put some thought into it. Not just, because Eve.
after this event he could have proto forge and keep his rail, then its just playing the like everybody else
[/quote]
Do you know how to read?[/quote]
aye, i do know how to read, and all i see is a bitter vet moaning about **** that is very easy to get. which would be av, which like i pointed out can be had in 1 or 2 weeks
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4474
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:03:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:@thor
he could go av and keep what he has now, it would only take a week or two, i dont see the the problem, sorry i just dont
Likewise. I don't see the problem with the respec.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1404
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:03:00 -
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I'm not sure I agree with the logic, Thor, but to offer an explanation for Monty's comments I would say something like:
"It would hurt those players who have been more thoughtful in spending their SP...in that those who have made bad choices in the past would no longer be punished for those bad choices which essentially penalizes those who made better choices."
Again, I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment -- like you, I tend to think the overall effect of a respec on the game would be a positive one and that we should look past this concern for the greater good -- but rather offer this explanation in lieu of reading comprehension (or simply ignoring the question) on Monty's part.....Leadfoot |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4474
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:05:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Explain what it would hurt if he was able to take his SP from Rail Rifle and put it into FG? Try to put some thought into it. Not just, because Eve. after this event he could have proto forge and keep his rail, then its just playing the like everybody else
I'm not moaning. I don't want SP back. I have 62.5 mil SP.
I want an active playerbase. If respecs keep people around then that's more important than a mantra from a different game.
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
329
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:12:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:
Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.
i just went on proto fits and knocked up an a-1 sentinel with proto forge, if your core skills are maxed with this event you could have it in 1 or 2 weeks, nut the **** up man cmon. infact **** combat and rail rifles that is what im skilling next I have all rifles pro 5 they're boring. whats the rifles got to do with anything when you said you wanted av, which i pointed out you could have very quickly? Explain what it would hurt if he was able to take his SP from Rail Rifle and put it into FG? Try to put some thought into it. Not just, because Eve.
he thought if he put on glasses he would become smart.
Why?
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
194
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:13:00 -
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the op complained about having no av, i pointed out he could have it very quickly.
i get **** on, typical gd logic
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4475
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:19:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:the op complained about having no av, i pointed out he could have it very quickly.
i get **** on, typical gd logic
I think it's because a lot of people are tired of the anti respec stuff. I'm a huge Dust fan and I'm seeing the game die right before me.
And it bothers me that something that would bring people back (it would, if you argue this then you just want to argue) is frowned up. More than anything frowned up by CCP. I'm honestly starting to believe that there are elements in CCP that don't want Dust/Legion to succeed.
For example, whomever decided to announce Legion the way they did after getting warned by the CPM.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:22:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:OZAROW wrote:Reads corp name, laughs and cares that much less. I don't get it Heimdallr69 is in Nyain San, the legendary FOTM corp. The one people point to when something is OP and say "See, if it wasn't OP they wouldn't be running squads of it". I don't see them enough anymore to know if it holds true these days. One could look at your corp name and think, "Just a bunch of scrubs. Ignore". However, the mature and level headed won't fall into that trap. And, FYI, Heim is anything but a FOTM chaser -- if anything, he's the antithesis of FOTM.
Well you can't deny that NS used to be the FOTM corp that would run squads of whatever was OP at the moment. Of course other corps did as well but NS was iconic for it. And I wasn't calling Heimdallr69 a FOTM chaser, I was merely explaining OZAROW's post to Thor.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4475
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:29:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:OZAROW wrote:Reads corp name, laughs and cares that much less. I don't get it Heimdallr69 is in Nyain San, the legendary FOTM corp. The one people point to when something is OP and say "See, if it wasn't OP they wouldn't be running squads of it". I don't see them enough anymore to know if it holds true these days. One could look at your corp name and think, "Just a bunch of scrubs. Ignore". However, the mature and level headed won't fall into that trap. And, FYI, Heim is anything but a FOTM chaser -- if anything, he's the antithesis of FOTM. Well you can't deny that NS used to be the FOTM corp that would run squads of whatever was OP at the moment. Of course other corps did as well but NS was iconic for it. And I wasn't calling Heimdallr69 a FOTM chaser, I was merely explaining OZAROW's post to Thor.
I understood what he meant. Just didn't see what it had to do with respecs
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:34:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:843-Vika wrote:IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. did you miss title of name EVE/dust 514 in eve there are no respecs thats a 10 year game u read spec your stuff if you dont like it allwell get more skillpoints spec next thing if u dont like reading mabey this game is not the one for you....ive been given option of respec but never did it except for forced respecs that never shouldve happened Um in eve skills are based on real time not sp, so idk what eve your playing but in my eve if i want a new ship i have to wait hours, days, weeks, even months to get them, and there is no such thing as a respec. So you think Dust would be better off if people logged in and updated their skill queue then logged off?
Did a I say that? No i just corrected the person who tried to say that eve works on a sp system like dust, which it does not. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:41:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:843-Vika wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.
The OP is a great player so he's not one that would greatly benefit from one. But how many blueberries might be decent with a respec? How many players would come back if they advertised it (newsletter)? There is literally nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain. Simple the anti-respec brigade is all about telling the FoTM chasers to stop being scrubs that chase after the next OP thing and learn to use what you got. If your not happy with what you got then just save up the sp to get what you want. There ar more then enough triple sp events, and even without them you can easily get into a heavy and a forge gun in 1-2 weeks. Not to mention that with the combo of swarm, av nades an proxy mines that an assault suit can very easy take out a tank. I've already responded to all those things and I still don't see the benefit of NOT doing it. Which suit do you think is FOTM?
RIght now the min assault with the clip size to cr and smg and the amarr assault withthe bonus for Scr could be a FoTM but not 100% sure, the Bhmg is definatly a FoTM. Basically anything that over powers everything else in the game is a FoTM and the only people a respec would help the most re the FoTM chasers.
The people that spec into things without having the proper support skills behind it and cry that they need respecs when the OP things change. Take the people that cry they can't fit all proto on there suits anymore after the last hotfix nd cry for a buff the the pg/cpu of heavies, yet they don't have there fitting skills maxed out, yet they wanna cry for a buff or respec. |
ZB DeLong
Nyain San
67
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:42:00 -
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Fun fact:
Did you know you can skill into Orbitals?
YEAH!
Open up your skill tree, open up drop suit upgrades and find the section called "Off Map Support".
From there, you'll see two different bubbles. I'll list off the tree starting from the top.
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Off-Map Support: each level up allows you to obtain an OB quicker. 200wp less each notch. (from 5k-4k)
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OBS Range/Width: each level up allows a 2m range bonus. (Lvl 1 OBS req.)
OBS Timing/Longevity: each level up allows your OB to last longer, more strikes over time. Each lvl up gives you 1 extra second for the OB to last. (Lvl 3 OBS req.)
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Ok now I forget the SP multiplier though :( would someone mind opening up the skill tree for me and posting it here for me?
Thankyou, I appreciate it!
PS, if you didn't know this... Pshh you're a blue.
Been fighting this war since beta. When can I go home and see my family again? Will I survive this brutality? :)
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:47:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:the op complained about having no av, i pointed out he could have it very quickly.
i get **** on, typical gd logic
and to the op as a final request please biomass with all your isk, muppet. i just had to sorry
Nice. You can kiss my ass on your way out of my thread. Good day. 
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:54:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:the op complained about having no av, i pointed out he could have it very quickly.
i get **** on, typical gd logic
and to the op as a final request please biomass with all your isk, muppet. i just had to sorry Nice. You can kiss my ass on your way out of my thread. Good day.
good luck getting a respec
peace
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:06:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:the op complained about having no av, i pointed out he could have it very quickly.
i get **** on, typical gd logic
and to the op as a final request please biomass with all your isk, muppet. i just had to sorry Nice. You can kiss my ass on your way out of my thread. Good day. good luck getting a respec peace
Whaaat you really leaving? Here picture this I have 3 proto suits I don't use and 2 rifles. I have pro 5 and don't use, a respec would allow me to do something useful with my sp instead of grinding. I just don't see any good arguments against a respec.
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ZB DeLong
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:10:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:the op complained about having no av, i pointed out he could have it very quickly.
i get **** on, typical gd logic
and to the op as a final request please biomass with all your isk, muppet. i just had to sorry Nice. You can kiss my ass on your way out of my thread. Good day. good luck getting a respec peace Whaaat you really leaving? Here picture this I have 3 proto suits I don't use and 2 rifles. I have pro 5 and don't use, a respec would allow me to do something useful with my sp instead of grinding. I just don't see any good arguments against a respec.
I don't really understand how to remove all the other bull**** from the quote, but this is for Heim's last thing on the thingy up there ^ up above.
CCP isn't giving any respecs at all right now, right? Aren't they just denying every request?
Been fighting this war since beta. When can I go home and see my family again? Will I survive this brutality? :)
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:20:00 -
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just quit m8, nobody will care. burn all your isk and assets
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:21:00 -
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ZB DeLong wrote:
CCP isn't giving any respecs at all right now, right? Aren't they just denying every request?
Yep, they're denying requests. This means either that they're trying to squeeze the final couple bucks out of this game or that they're waiting to release one with some exciting announcement. Occam's razor surely will demonstrate which of these is the truth. |
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RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:53:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:So you'd rather me not help you AV when a team is getting vehicle stomped? At least some people understand though, my faith has been restored! yep at this point it all about if people are still haveing fun. after so many different patches and updates that have completely changed the stuff i put SP into.
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:07:00 -
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Respec after delta. Reasonable and logical.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:32:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Explain what it would hurt if he was able to take his SP from Rail Rifle and put it into FG? Try to put some thought into it. Not just, because Eve. after this event he could have proto forge and keep his rail, then its just playing the like everybody else I'm not moaning. I don't want SP back. I have 62.5 mil SP. I want an active playerbase. If respecs keep people around then that's more important than a mantra from a different game.
Eve and dust are not 2 different games they are 2 parts of a whole game, we have eve the space pilots that support us with troop transport, albeit it is mostly npc based but that could have been done differently, and the foot troops fight on the ground, meaning dust.
They are based of the same lore so how are they different games?
Basically a respec will punish the players that have planned out there sp and put in in the key areas for the role they wanted to play and rewards the players that chased after the next OP things and didn't bother putting it in the areas that are important for their roles. What a respec will do is tell everyone "To Hell With Proper Skill Planning and Just Chase After whatever is OP at the time and when that changes just cry and whine and b!tch and you will get to put your sp in the next OP things" and that would just ruin the game way more then the CoD scrubs did when they started playing the game.
I hear so many FoTM chasers that skilled into the min scout crying to remove the hacking bonus in place of an Ewar skill or change the hacking skills to effect the cloaks. Yet the people that have been a min scout from the start understand that min scouts don't need ewar passives on the suit because it runs just fine without it. It is the players like that, that have no real understand of how the suit works because they keep switching suits and weapons as soon as the next OP stuff is put in effect, and that is what the anti-respec bgade is trying to prevent, rewarding the FoTM chase instead of rewarding the players that planned where their skills go. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:39:00 -
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[BlazeXYZ wrote:Respec after delta. Reasonable and logical.
Nope, not reasonable at all
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:58:00 -
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I see that I'm late to this refund thread , sorry I was playing Dust  all of you should know how I feel about this topic by now and hopefully around , after or once Delta drops it won't be anymore .
Long overdue .
Now I can see why it wasn't done .
I am thankful for that now and appreciate the foresight by CCP .
After infantry changes there is no reason not to , like vehicles had theirs .
Game will get so much more competitive afterwards and that's always a good thing .
More people enjoying themselves , greater numbers build-up , more money for CCP ( even though I won't be playing legion , I can't ignore the business aspect . ) and maybe more people will stop complaining about everything , trying to get everything nerfed .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
1615
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:23:00 -
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. did you miss title of name EVE/dust 514 in eve there are no respecs thats a 10 year game u read spec your stuff if you dont like it allwell get more skillpoints spec next thing if u dont like reading mabey this game is not the one for you....ive been given option of respec but never did it except for forced respecs that never shouldve happened
Gonna have to speak up about this flawed argument.
Eve has no respects, but eve has an entirely passive so system. If a fotm comes about in eve, I can simply put skills into the skill queue and stop playing until I have the skills I chose. Not so in dust.
As well, cross training in eve is a hell of a lot easier than in dust. Eve skills let you quickly spec into a wide variety of ships. Dust has a separate skill for each individual suit type. This makes cross training far more intensive skilling into another type of suit far more intensive sp wise Than skilling into another ship in dust.
Far more importantly, skilling up is SO MUCH EASIER than in dust. The electronic/eengineeringngineering skills in eve are a x1 multipier. Compare that to the x6 multiplier the exact same skill in dust is. And even then, you need FAR LESS SP for an equivalent multiplier in eve. Level 1 of an x1 skill in dust is 6220 sp. In eve, the same skill would cost 250 sp.
So please, stop bringing up the argument that eve doesn't give respects. You are comparing two totally different types of games. Its like saying that since apples go in a fruit salad, and a tomato is fruit, then tomatoes should go in a fruit salad.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:32:00 -
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Big red respec button in the MQ, any time you want it.
Because it doesn't matter (now more than ever), and no one should ever care how anyone else spends their SP.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Red line snipers and tankers hate it.
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xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:33:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:[ BlazeXYZ wrote:Respec after delta. Reasonable and logical. Nope, not reasonable at all
How so? Tell me one reason why.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:44:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.
Have you thought about investing into Swarm Launchers?
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:46:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently. Have you thought about investing into Swarm Launchers?
Yes but they suck ass for AV unless you have proto.
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xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:16:00 -
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Why dont you skill forge the old fashioned way? Won't take that long |
Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:46:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:snip
Basically a respec will punish the players that have planned out there sp and put in in the key areas for the role they wanted to play
snip
Ever since Uprising I have very carefully planned out my SP expenditures on three accounts. Sometimes waiting months for the next patch just to be sure another upset doesn't happen. Yet CCP successfully nulled my choices with careless nerfs followed by apathy or ignorance to the problems.
How can our choices matter in a hostile development environment?
I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:47:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Explain what it would hurt if he was able to take his SP from Rail Rifle and put it into FG? Try to put some thought into it. Not just, because Eve. after this event he could have proto forge and keep his rail, then its just playing the like everybody else I'm not moaning. I don't want SP back. I have 62.5 mil SP. I want an active playerbase. If respecs keep people around then that's more important than a mantra from a different game. Eve and dust are not 2 different games they are 2 parts of a whole game, we have eve the space pilots that support us with troop transport, albeit it is mostly npc based but that could have been done differently, and the foot troops fight on the ground, meaning dust. They are based of the same lore so how are they different games? Basically a respec will punish the players that have planned out there sp and put in in the key areas for the role they wanted to play and rewards the players that chased after the next OP things and didn't bother putting it in the areas that are important for their roles. What a respec will do is tell everyone "To Hell With Proper Skill Planning and Just Chase After whatever is OP at the time and when that changes just cry and whine and b!tch and you will get to put your sp in the next OP things" and that would just ruin the game way more then the CoD scrubs did when they started playing the game. I hear so many FoTM chasers that skilled into the min scout crying to remove the hacking bonus in place of an Ewar skill or change the hacking skills to effect the cloaks. Yet the people that have been a min scout from the start understand that min scouts don't need ewar passives on the suit because it runs just fine without it. It is the players like that, that have no real understand of how the suit works because they keep switching suits and weapons as soon as the next OP stuff is put in effect, and that is what the anti-respec bgade is trying to prevent, rewarding the FoTM chase instead of rewarding the players that planned where their skills go.
I don't know how anyone can have this view while seeing the decline of the playerbase. Ever honestly thought that maybe the SP and skilling system along with the wild swings in development are part of the problem? Ever thought that maybe some people just don't feel like they should have to grind away because the Devs made something OP then over nerfed it? In other words there may be a substantial number of people who don't feel they should suffer because of CCP's mistakes? Maybe once or twice, but what if a nerf bat hits them a third time?
I loathe FOTM whiners almost as much as proto whiners because it blames players for using their SP and ISK for things made available by CCP. Shouldn't there have been some player council or something that gave their seal of approval before skilling into things? This way you'd have credibility when calling for balance because you weren't a FOTM chaser? We could have called them the "Crystal Ball Council".
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iliel
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:14:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Explain what it would hurt if he was able to take his SP from Rail Rifle and put it into FG? Try to put some thought into it. Not just, because Eve. after this event he could have proto forge and keep his rail, then its just playing the like everybody else I'm not moaning. I don't want SP back. I have 62.5 mil SP. I want an active playerbase. If respecs keep people around then that's more important than a mantra from a different game. . . . I hear so many FoTM chasers that skilled into the min scout crying to remove the hacking bonus in place of an Ewar skill or change the hacking skills to effect the cloaks . . .
Min Scout is FOTM? There are min scout who want to change hacking bonus? And there are vet. players who think hacking isn't ewar (i.e., electronic warfare)?
I'd bet you're one of those with horrible gungame, no strafe, and yet haven't realized that CCP invented the Sentinel and Six Kin HMG just for players like you. Good news is, when there is a respec, you'll have a seat already reserved on the short - - I mean heavy - - bus.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:14:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:843-Vika wrote:snip
Basically a respec will punish the players that have planned out there sp and put in in the key areas for the role they wanted to play
snip Ever since Uprising I have very carefully planned out my SP expenditures on three accounts. Sometimes waiting months for the next patch just to be sure another upset doesn't happen. Yet CCP successfully nulled my choices with careless nerfs followed by apathy or ignorance to the problems. How can our choices matter in a hostile development environment?
You should have used the orange crystal ball, they stopped using the yellow one back in February.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:15:00 -
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It's not happening. Ever since CCP moved the vast majority of the team from Dust into Legion and with Dust now relegated to hotfixes, I don't see respecs happening anymore.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:25:00 -
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Respec is an interesting topic. The only time i have ever felt cheated by not getting one was very early in my DUST career. I biomassed my first character after a few million because I realised I had royally f'd up the whole thing by paying no attention to how it all worked. My fault of course but also easy to do when you're new. The warnings are there but the explanation of how to gg is actually pretty bad when you come into the game cold.
I get that ccp don't want to give respecs, it makes sense. You make your choices and then of course it helps them sell boosters when something gets nerfed and they buff something else. It's a free game, and they make a bit of money that way - i got no problem with that.
But i would suggest respecs only get offered at the 5 million SP point. At that point you get a nice mail from ccp and they explain to you that now is the time to make your decisions permanent. Could help new players a bit.
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Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. did you miss title of name EVE/dust 514 in eve there are no respecs thats a 10 year game u read spec your stuff if you dont like it allwell get more skillpoints spec next thing if u dont like reading mabey this game is not the one for you....ive been given option of respec but never did it except for forced respecs that never shouldve happened Gonna have to speak up about this flawed argument. Eve has no respecs, but eve has an entirely passive so system. If a fotm comes about in eve, I can simply put skills into the skill queue and stop playing until I have the skills I chose. Not so in dust. As well, cross training in eve is a hell of a lot easier than in dust. Eve skills let you quickly spec into a wide variety of ships. Dust has a separate skill for each individual suit type. This makes cross training far more intensive skilling into another type of suit far more intensive sp wise Than skilling into another ship in dust. Far more importantly, skilling up is SO MUCH EASIER than in dust. The electronic/eengineering skills in eve are a x1 multipier. Compare that to the x6 multiplier the exact same skill in dust is. And even then, you need FAR LESS SP for an equivalent multiplier in eve. Level 1 of an x1 skill in dust is 6220 sp. In eve, the same skill would cost 250 sp. So please, stop bringing up the argument that eve doesn't give respecs. You are comparing two totally different types of games. Its like saying that since apples go in a fruit salad, and a tomato is fruit, then tomatoes should go in a fruit salad.
beside that, there is the possibility to buy characters at the market bazar or train multiple characters at once per account.
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Sum1ne Else
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:05:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:Respec after delta. Reasonable and logical.
I honestly think its coming.
The end is near.
This will be the final patch, then a respec to end all respecs and also patches. Server closes in the near future. I am feeling some MAG nostalgia coming here.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4514
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:40:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:Respec after delta. Reasonable and logical. I honestly think its coming. The end is near. This will be the final patch, then a respec to end all respecs and also patches. Server closes in the near future. I am feeling some MAG nostalgia coming here.
I wasn't involved in MAG, but the financial stuff going on with CCP and the tight lips in regards to Legion has me doubting it will ever happen.
After FF I was uber pissed, then very optimistic. But now I'm thinking they are done with FPS. I think companies have a tendency to go back to basics when they are having issues. I could see CCP going all in on what got them here and focusing 100% on Eve.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
404
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:11:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered. Or, you could just train into something else. You've got the core done, right? So throw SP into another suit to adv and play it. You're acting like you can't advance yourself at all anymore. I think you are missing the point. It appears he doesn't want to grind to something else when he has the SP he could use. Would it be better if we could update our skill queue and log off for a month?
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:20:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.
Swarms are AV.
Plasma Cannon is AV.
You're asking for a respec for personal gain, not a community wide change. So, no. Earn those skill points. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:25:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently. Swarms are AV. Plasma Cannon is AV. You're asking for a respec for personal gain, not a community wide change. So, no. Earn those skill points.
You're correct it is personal but at the same time it helps the community now doesn't it and nah I've made up my mind I'll let you guys do AV I'll stick with slaying, good luck . If I have to wait for the sp instead of getting a respec I'm sure as hell not gonna waste it this time.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:26:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered. Or, you could just train into something else. You've got the core done, right? So throw SP into another suit to adv and play it. You're acting like you can't advance yourself at all anymore. I think you are missing the point. It appears he doesn't want to grind to something else when he has the SP he could use. Would it be better if we could update our skill queue and log off for a month? Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact. It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days? If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
But what you are talking about is what you'd say as a counselor to someone with a gaming addiction. NOT what you'd talk about inside a gaming company when talking about how to keep your customers satisfied and continuing to spend money on your game.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
404
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:29:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:[quote=Heimdallr69]After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. As well, cross training in eve is a hell of a lot easier than in dust. Eve skills let you quickly spec into a wide variety of ships. Dust has a separate skill for each individual suit type. This makes cross training far more intensive skilling into another type of suit far more intensive sp wise Than skilling into another ship in dust.
Gallente frigate
caldari frigate
amarr frigate
minmatar frigate
gallente cruiser
caldari cruiser
amarr cruiser
minmatar cruiser
gallente battleship
caldari battleship
amarr battleship
minmatar battleship
gallente titan
caldari titan
amarr titan
minmatar titan
small hybrid turret
small projectile turret
small energy turret
oh, and the missile tree
yeah, real easy cross training until you get into t2, even the destroyers and battlecruisers have been split up. HAC, CS, AF are the only ones I think dont have race specific variations |
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RayRay James wrote:
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time.
Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Nobinishi
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Joel II X wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently. Swarms are AV. Plasma Cannon is AV. You're asking for a respec for personal gain, not a community wide change. So, no. Earn those skill points. You're correct it is personal but at the same time it helps the community now doesn't it and nah I've made up my mind I'll let you guys do AV I'll stick with slaying, good luck . If I have to wait for the sp instead of getting a respec I'm sure as hell not gonna waste it this time.
And to quote....
After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m.
Should really try not to sound condescending with the good luck part ....lol.....He was right, it was for personal gain.No other motive. Community part was a unforseen byproduct that someone had to point out to you..Don't use the community part as an excuse
And to Thor, regarding you want to see the playerbase grow..Last time I checked..Respecs don't make the playerbase grow. It makes the established pool that already exists more competitive from the bottom guy to the top. Gameplay design and ingenuity along with marketing grows a game. And CCP has failed at that for quite some time. It's the eleventh hour for this game. Realistically nothing can save it from shutting down soon.
Last time I checked two more execs left CCP EVE side and they have closed their San Fransico branch. So yeah...
Check the Bass Bruh !! My bad still figurin' out the buttons..
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4517
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:00:00 -
[109] - Quote
Thumb Green wrote:RayRay James wrote:
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time. Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change.
That's the thing. MY VIEWPOINT is 100% tied to Dust appealing to the existing players and perhaps eliminating some of the issues that new players become discouraged about.
They put Dust on a console. A vast majority of the players who have downloaded and played Dust have no idea about Eve or a 10 year laser focused dev cycle. They just see a very complex FPS with a very longterm skilling plan and when things are changed they may up and leave. They don't have the passion that the vets had when seeing the longterm possibilities of Dust. Perhaps this is why they so abruptly dropped the bomb on no Dust and Legion on PC, but I'd adamantly argue with anyone who thinks that was even remotely the correct approach.
Then you have the vets who have grinded, they have moved on to the next thing when something was over nerfed. Or they have stuck with one thing and become tired of it. They didn't buy boosters or cap out every week, but they've been here since beta. They may see 20 mil SP spent in areas they don't WANT to use. In this case I'd much rather them get to reallocate that SP than just wait 4 months for passive SP to accrue. This one in particular is the one that makes me scratch my head about. Why would people who love Dust rather see those people disappear for long stretches? Just so they may or may not skill into something that is in their opinion OP. It seems like a terribly self defeating stance.
There are more flavors of people who don't fit the FOTM chaser profile. And I even argue that the FOTM chasers help identify things that are OP.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:05:00 -
[110] - Quote
Thumb Green wrote:RayRay James wrote:
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time. Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change.
You don't have to play at all, you still earn SP, just not as fast. |
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:11:00 -
[111] - Quote
RayRay James wrote:Thumb Green wrote:RayRay James wrote:
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time. Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change. You don't have to play at all, you still earn SP, just not as fast.
To gain any meaningful amount of SP you do have to play. You can't make anywhere near the progress on Dust with passive SP as an EVE player can.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3388
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:19:00 -
[112] - Quote
As I stated before without a respec I will not go AV I will hoard my sp for legion. You expect me to help you but I get nothing in return, though I want a respec for my reasoning why did you shoot down the others who asked for one? You want to keep your sp advantage over the newer players is the only reason for saying no.
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
382
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:26:00 -
[113] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m.
Jumping in late with a response to the first post from the OP. But if you want versatility then you should have proto'd one of each type of suit. Take one scout, one assault, one heavy and one logi to proto. Imagine how much of a versatile badass you would be then. I wish I had enough SP to do that.
You decided to skill all four assaults to proto and you wish you had more versatility? No respec for you!
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:28:00 -
[114] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote: You expect me to help you but I get nothing in return
Except ISK, WP, SP and maybe friendship/gratitude
Heimdallr69 wrote: You want to keep your sp advantage over the newer players is the only reason for saying no.
I have 46 mil SP, my advantage comes from the width of my skill tree, not it's depth. A respec wont change that, in fact, it'd probably make me MORE deadly. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3388
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:29:00 -
[115] - Quote
sabre prime wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. Jumping in late with a response to the first post from the OP. But if you want versatility then you should have proto'd one of each type of suit. Take one scout, one assault, one heavy and one logi to proto. Imagine how much of a versatile badass you would be then. I wish I had enough SP to do that. You decided to skill all four assaults to proto and you wish you had more versatility? No respec for you!
I'm well aware of that that's why I made this thread.. Lots of people want a respec but a lot of people just shoot them down.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:30:00 -
[116] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:sabre prime wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. Jumping in late with a response to the first post from the OP. But if you want versatility then you should have proto'd one of each type of suit. Take one scout, one assault, one heavy and one logi to proto. Imagine how much of a versatile badass you would be then. I wish I had enough SP to do that. You decided to skill all four assaults to proto and you wish you had more versatility? No respec for you! I'm well aware of that that's why I made this thread.. Lots of people want a respec but a lot of people just shoot them down.
You just admitted you effed up and that's your motivation for a respec. No respec for you. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3388
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:32:00 -
[117] - Quote
RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:As I stated before without a respec I will not go AV I will hoard my sp for legion. And I'm going to take my ball and go home.... Heimdallr69 wrote: You expect me to help you but I get nothing in return Except ISK, WP, SP and maybe friendship/gratitude Heimdallr69 wrote: You want to keep your sp advantage over the newer players is the only reason for saying no. I have 46 mil SP, my advantage comes from the width of my skill tree, not it's depth. A respec wont change that, in fact, it'd probably make me MORE deadly.
Perhaps or maybe it'd let people with less sp to change stuff. You have 12m more sp than me that's like what 4 proto suits? I've been here since day 1 closed beta I'm very much a vet. Sorry I burnt myself out in closed beta.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:34:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:sabre prime wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. Jumping in late with a response to the first post from the OP. But if you want versatility then you should have proto'd one of each type of suit. Take one scout, one assault, one heavy and one logi to proto. Imagine how much of a versatile badass you would be then. I wish I had enough SP to do that. You decided to skill all four assaults to proto and you wish you had more versatility? No respec for you! I'm well aware of that that's why I made this thread.. Lots of people want a respec but a lot of people just shoot them down. You just admitted you effed up and that's your motivation for a respec. No respec for you.
If I wanted one for just myself I would have submitted a ticket! Are you being serious right now? Lmfao
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4518
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:38:00 -
[119] - Quote
RayRay James wrote:Thumb Green wrote:RayRay James wrote:
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time. Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change. You don't have to play at all, you still earn SP, just not as fast.
That's a given. Nobody HAS to play. But if you like Dust, why would you want that to be one of the options that so many choose? Who does that benefit for fewer people to log in?
At this point Dust will ALWAYS be the lobby shooter that it's been. The longterm plan is gone. So now here we are trying to keep this game alive as long as possible. Why hold on to the 10 yr plan as your mantra if it is no longer part of the equation?
It makes no sense.
What little we've been told about Legion is that many of the things that have led to the Respec vs Anti-respec discussion will no longer be an issue. Suits will have the same amount of slots instead of tiers.
Do you work for Bungie?
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PSN: wbrom42
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:03:00 -
[120] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:As I stated before without a respec I will not go AV I will hoard my sp for legion. And I'm going to take my ball and go home.... Heimdallr69 wrote: You expect me to help you but I get nothing in return Except ISK, WP, SP and maybe friendship/gratitude Heimdallr69 wrote: You want to keep your sp advantage over the newer players is the only reason for saying no. I have 46 mil SP, my advantage comes from the width of my skill tree, not it's depth. A respec wont change that, in fact, it'd probably make me MORE deadly. Perhaps or maybe it'd let people with less sp to change stuff. You have 12m more sp than me that's like what 4 proto suits? I've been here since day 1 closed beta I'm very much a vet. Sorry I burnt myself out in closed beta.
What's funny is I only have one proto suit, gal logi.
Gal mando and gal scout at adv
ar and cr at proto.
dropships and tanks (which I never use) to lvl 5
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:04:00 -
[121] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:sabre prime wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. Jumping in late with a response to the first post from the OP. But if you want versatility then you should have proto'd one of each type of suit. Take one scout, one assault, one heavy and one logi to proto. Imagine how much of a versatile badass you would be then. I wish I had enough SP to do that. You decided to skill all four assaults to proto and you wish you had more versatility? No respec for you! I'm well aware of that that's why I made this thread.. Lots of people want a respec but a lot of people just shoot them down. You just admitted you effed up and that's your motivation for a respec. No respec for you. If I wanted one for just myself I would have submitted a ticket! Are you being serious right now? Lmfao
You didn't submit a ticket because it says right on the MOTD that respecs will not be granted, so you came here to whine hoping to garner enough support to make CCP cave.
What you got is about a 50/50 mix of people who support you and people who support no respecs. CCPs history, coupled with a split playerbase means there probably wont ever be a respec. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
270
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:05:00 -
[122] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:As I stated before without a respec I will not go AV I will hoard my sp for legion. You expect me to help you but I get nothing in return, though I want a respec for my reasoning why did you shoot down the others who asked for one? You want to keep your sp advantage over the newer players is the only reason for saying no.
So basically instead of using the sp you earn in game to add to your skill tree and help out your corp/squad/team, your going to be a little cry baby b!tch and just cry that your not getting your way. Gotcha, keepo up the little cry baby whining and I'm sure you will go very far. FYI there is no confirmation that legion will ever exist, so saving your sp will do you absolutly no good.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:09:00 -
[123] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:
That's a given. Nobody HAS to play. But if you like Dust, why would you want that to be one of the options that so many choose? Who does that benefit for fewer people to log in?
At this point Dust will ALWAYS be the lobby shooter that it's been. The longterm plan is gone. So now here we are trying to keep this game alive as long as possible. Why hold on to the 10 yr plan as your mantra if it is no longer part of the equation?
It makes no sense.
What little we've been told about Legion is that many of the things that have led to the Respec vs Anti-respec discussion will no longer be an issue. Suits will have the same amount of slots instead of tiers.
Do you work for Bungie?
If you read back ,you'll see that he was saying the only way to make SP was to grind, my response was that he didnt because you don't have to play to make SP.
You say Dust is unique, but then that it's just like every lobby shooter. You say don't hold on to the 10 year plan, make it like CoD at this point. I say No, leave it the way it is. There's no more development. There's not going to be a massive influx of new players. Respecs won't bring the disenfranchised players back, respecs will lead to most everyone throwing their SP into the Sentinel/BHMG and Scout/Shotty suits that others on the forums are wildly complaining about.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
General Tso's Alliance
3389
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:16:00 -
[124] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:sabre prime wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. Jumping in late with a response to the first post from the OP. But if you want versatility then you should have proto'd one of each type of suit. Take one scout, one assault, one heavy and one logi to proto. Imagine how much of a versatile badass you would be then. I wish I had enough SP to do that. You decided to skill all four assaults to proto and you wish you had more versatility? No respec for you! I'm well aware of that that's why I made this thread.. Lots of people want a respec but a lot of people just shoot them down. You just admitted you effed up and that's your motivation for a respec. No respec for you. If I wanted one for just myself I would have submitted a ticket! Are you being serious right now? Lmfao
You didn't submit a ticket because it says right on the MOTD that respecs will not be granted, so you came here to whine hoping to garner enough support to make CCP cave.
What you got is about a 50/50 mix of people who support you and people who support no respecs. CCPs history, coupled with a split playerbase means there probably wont ever be a respec. [/quote]
Actually no I didn't know that but thank you.. I never clicked on it so you just assumed I did. You guys still haven't given a good reason for why not but go ahead keep saying no.
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zzZaXxx
D3ATH CARD
449
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:17:00 -
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Yes dropsuit command respec upon changes to logi and commando in delta (he hopes). All suits willl be different enough from when we had the 1.8 respec that it would give us a fair choice. Please combine it with a cloaking nerf so we can start a new meta please!!!!! |
Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1353
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:29:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
That's a given. Nobody HAS to play. But if you like Dust, why would you want that to be one of the options that so many choose? Who does that benefit for fewer people to log in?
At this point Dust will ALWAYS be the lobby shooter that it's been. The longterm plan is gone. So now here we are trying to keep this game alive as long as possible. Why hold on to the 10 yr plan as your mantra if it is no longer part of the equation?
It makes no sense.
What little we've been told about Legion is that many of the things that have led to the Respec vs Anti-respec discussion will no longer be an issue. Suits will have the same amount of slots instead of tiers.
Do you work for Bungie?
If you read back ,you'll see that he was saying the only way to make SP was to grind, my response was that he didnt because you don't have to play to make SP.
If you read back you'll see that I was saying the only way to make a meaningful amount of SP was to grind. But you're right you don't have to grind; you can wait months to build up a meaningful amount of SP.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:36:00 -
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I'm accruing SP by not playing the game! We all will get a respec when Legion is released in 2043. Lots of passive SP to be collected indeed!
"The DUST 514 Dev Team is not reduced or affected by the restructuring at CCP."
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
406
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:44:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:
Actually no I didn't know that but thank you.. I never clicked on it so you just assumed I did. You guys still haven't given a good reason for why not but go ahead keep saying no.
Click on it? The MOTD is the screen the shows up before you select your character. You say we haven't given a good reason to not have a respec, I say you haven't given a reason to have a respec. |
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:843-Vika wrote:
Eve and dust are not 2 different games they are 2 parts of a whole game, we have eve the space pilots that support us with troop transport, albeit it is mostly npc based but that could have been done differently, and the foot troops fight on the ground, meaning dust.
They are based of the same lore so how are they different games?
Basically a respec will punish the players that have planned out there sp and put in in the key areas for the role they wanted to play and rewards the players that chased after the next OP things and didn't bother putting it in the areas that are important for their roles. What a respec will do is tell everyone "To Hell With Proper Skill Planning and Just Chase After whatever is OP at the time and when that changes just cry and whine and b!tch and you will get to put your sp in the next OP things" and that would just ruin the game way more then the CoD scrubs did when they started playing the game.
I hear so many FoTM chasers that skilled into the min scout crying to remove the hacking bonus in place of an Ewar skill or change the hacking skills to effect the cloaks. Yet the people that have been a min scout from the start understand that min scouts don't need ewar passives on the suit because it runs just fine without it. It is the players like that, that have no real understand of how the suit works because they keep switching suits and weapons as soon as the next OP stuff is put in effect, and that is what the anti-respec bgade is trying to prevent, rewarding the FoTM chase instead of rewarding the players that planned where their skills go.
I don't know how anyone can have this view while seeing the decline of the playerbase. Ever honestly thought that maybe the SP and skilling system along with the wild swings in development are part of the problem? Ever thought that maybe some people just don't feel like they should have to grind away because the Devs made something OP then over nerfed it? In other words there may be a substantial number of people who don't feel they should suffer because of CCP's mistakes? Maybe once or twice, but what if a nerf bat hits them a third time? I loathe FOTM whiners almost as much as proto whiners because it blames players for using their SP and ISK for things made available by CCP. Shouldn't there have been some player council or something that gave their seal of approval before skilling into things? This way you'd have credibility when calling for balance because you weren't a FOTM chaser? We could have called them the "Crystal Ball Council".
You are funny as $h!t Thor . 
You should have been a fracking comedian .
" Crystal Ball Council " ... classic .
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You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here.
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
That's a given. Nobody HAS to play. But if you like Dust, why would you want that to be one of the options that so many choose? Who does that benefit for fewer people to log in?
At this point Dust will ALWAYS be the lobby shooter that it's been. The longterm plan is gone. So now here we are trying to keep this game alive as long as possible. Why hold on to the 10 yr plan as your mantra if it is no longer part of the equation?
It makes no sense.
What little we've been told about Legion is that many of the things that have led to the Respec vs Anti-respec discussion will no longer be an issue. Suits will have the same amount of slots instead of tiers.
Do you work for Bungie?
If you read back ,you'll see that he was saying the only way to make SP was to grind, my response was that he didnt because you don't have to play to make SP. You say Dust is unique, but then that it's just like every lobby shooter. You say don't hold on to the 10 year plan, make it like CoD at this point. I say No, leave it the way it is. There's no more development. There's not going to be a massive influx of new players. Respecs won't bring the disenfranchised players back, respecs will lead to most everyone throwing their SP into the Sentinel/BHMG and Scout/Shotty suits that others on the forums are wildly complaining about. Also, no, I don't work for Bungie. I install and program home automation systems.
It's not like every other lobby shooter. It's very different. But allowing respecs doesn't change what is unique about Dust. Some people don't like to play for a day and have a maxed out character.
I'd honestly like them to embrace the lobby shooter aspect a bit more now that we are stuck where we are. Some minor changes on the back end and I think it could help fund Legion.
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Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here.
It gets tiring fast.
I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle.
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Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here.
But you were so passionate about your cause..... |
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle.
In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. |
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter.
It's weird which things you hold on to that CCP says and which ones you don't.
They have no plans to shut Dust down. It just won't get developed in the way we all thought it would. We are stuck with hotfixes.
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter.
Then why do you care if people get respecs or not?
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Thumb Green wrote:RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. Then why do you care if people get respecs or not?
Makes me twitch a little trying to figure it out.
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle.
Just because respecs are given out it does not mean more people are going to play. There are to many things about dust that are so poorly handled that drives people away, like the endless nerf/buff cycle, poor rendering, hit dectetion issues, and that's just naming a few.
If a new player decides to play as a tanker and then tanks get nerfed into the ground like the flaylock then then they would quit, either because they had to wait a certain time for a respec or if they got it right away and went to infantry they would get stomped because they don't know how to use infantry properly, since infantry plays differently then other fps games.
So either way there are many other reasons for new players to quit besides not getting a respec. Besides a respec only help the people who skilled into the last OP thing and not people who are happy where there skills are.
Do i have skills in things i don't use sure, since i tried every weapon in dust of course i do, but i know after i finsh certain skills i plan on getting other suit besides my min scout and min sentinel and min commando. |
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Thumb Green wrote:RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. Then why do you care if people get respecs or not?
Because
Reasons
But really, my reasons actually are posted in this thread. I admit, my sarcasm gets the best of me sometimes, but I do really believe that respecs would have the opposite effect that people who want respecs think it will.
Now, if you want to give players an optional respec at say, 5 or 7 mil SP, that would be ok with me. by that time, you should have a firm grasp of the game, and how not to make the same mistakes again. But "I wan't a respec because I want to try heavies" I"m totally against. |
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. It's weird which things you hold on to that CCP says and which ones you don't. They have no plans to shut Dust down. It just won't get developed in the way we all thought it would. We are stuck with hotfixes.
My reasons and an alternate option are above this post
The only reason Dust will still be active in a year is if the same servers are being used for Legion. With all the cuts in personel, (SF, ATL in the US, others overseas) keeping these servers active would be a waste of money. No, they haven't outright said that they are shutting them down, but it would make business sense. |
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843-Vika wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. Just because respecs are given out it does not mean more people are going to play. There are to many things about dust that are so poorly handled that drives people away, like the endless nerf/buff cycle, poor rendering, hit dectetion issues, and that's just naming a few. If a new player decides to play as a tanker and then tanks get nerfed into the ground like the flaylock then then they would quit, either because they had to wait a certain time for a respec or if they got it right away and went to infantry they would get stomped because they don't know how to use infantry properly, since infantry plays differently then other fps games. So either way there are many other reasons for new players to quit besides not getting a respec. Besides a respec only help the people who skilled into the last OP thing and not people who are happy where there skills are. Do i have skills in things i don't use sure, since i tried every weapon in dust of course i do, but i know after i finsh certain skills i plan on getting other suit besides my min scout and min sentinel and min commando.
But it MIGHT. People log back in for 3x SP if they hear about it. People come back for hotfixes and they did for patches.
Why wouldn't they come back for a respec?
What would it hurt?
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. It's weird which things you hold on to that CCP says and which ones you don't. They have no plans to shut Dust down. It just won't get developed in the way we all thought it would. We are stuck with hotfixes. My reasons and an alternate option are above this post The only reason Dust will still be active in a year is if the same servers are being used for Legion. With all the cuts in personel, (SF, ATL in the US, others overseas) keeping these servers active would be a waste of money. No, they haven't outright said that they are shutting them down, but it would make business sense.
It's only a waste of money because they refuse to implement things that would generate more income.
Poor choices are their part. FW was a big one. They decided to make it an ISK sink AND an AUR sink if people decided to buy AUR for boosters. How f'n ******** is that? I mean really, from a business perspective how stupid is that?
They left a game mode going that was generating billions of ISK for the best of the best in the game and countered with an ISK sink in the gamemode that could have saved Dust. People were pumped about FW, Kane pleaded to not have an ISK sink until there was a player market..
Point being they could make FW an ISK generator that is playable on a constant basis with team deploy (syncs) with a full LP market and people would buy FW boosters. It's right there for the taking, but they continue to ignore it.
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:
My reasons and an alternate option are above this post
The only reason Dust will still be active in a year is if the same servers are being used for Legion. With all the cuts in personel, (SF, ATL in the US, others overseas) keeping these servers active would be a waste of money. No, they haven't outright said that they are shutting them down, but it would make business sense.
It's only a waste of money because they refuse to implement things that would generate more income. Poor choices are their part. FW was a big one. They decided to make it an ISK sink AND an AUR sink if people decided to buy AUR for boosters. How f'n ******** is that? I mean really, from a business perspective how stupid is that? They left a game mode going that was generating billions of ISK for the best of the best in the game and countered with an ISK sink in the gamemode that could have saved Dust. People were pumped about FW, Kane pleaded to not have an ISK sink until there was a player market.. Point being they could make FW an ISK generator that is playable on a constant basis with team deploy (syncs) with a full LP market and people would buy FW boosters. It's right there for the taking, but they continue to ignore it.
This, I somewhat agree with.
Still not on the respec though. Those players that come back for the 3x dont stay through the next week or two.
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Then have more events
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Then have more events
Then there's no need for Respecs |
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I'd love a respec, i probably wouldnt change much. Have my cores almost maxed, 9 proto weapons and almost 4 proto suits. I was lucky when i started this game, i had help, i got the things that benefited me early on and maxed them when possible. Other players never had that. They saw this game on PSN and tried it, wasted their SP because of an incredibly bad tutorial and had no way of getting it back, and rather than giving people respecs you throw the whole 'your choices matter' rubbish into the equation. Did my choice matter when they completely borked my Swarm launcher, or when they changed the bonus on my scout suit? As for the EVE skill system argument. If i want a new frigate to Level 5 it takes just over 10 days with implants. to get a new suit in Dust just on passive SP takes 17 weeks. In that time on eve i could get 3 racial frigates, and dessys to 5 as well as 2 racial cruisers. its easier in EVE to change a role than it is in dust. Especially if you cant play much.
Respecs as a whole benefit everyone, it also allows for you to try something new. As for the whole FOTM that everyone harps on about, most of the people in dust already have it, it would not change a single thing. |
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Then have more events Then there's no need for Respecs
Why does it have to be an SP event? These are getting old.
Why not have ISK events?
Have a weekend were FW has increased salvage and officer weapon drops for winning battles.
There are many, many things that could be done. They just haven't been trying very hard. I want more players and better matches. I am obviously having something akin to a religious debate with you about respecs. I see nothing wrong with CCP making an effort to get the players back that they ran off after FF. I think that's a pretty good olive branch.
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Then have more events Then there's no need for Respecs Why does it have to be an SP event? These are getting old. Why not have ISK events? Have a weekend were FW has increased salvage and officer weapon drops for winning battles. There are many, many things that could be done. They just haven't been trying very hard. I want more players and better matches. I am obviously having something akin to a religious debate with you about respecs. I see nothing wrong with CCP making an effort to get the players back that they ran off after FF. I think that's a pretty good olive branch.
I'd like a bpo event or at least different colored suits of what you get kills with. Like say I get a kill with min assault then I get a green min assault suit. I wouldn't mind that, well the numbers to low.. Isk, yeah it'd help new players a lot.
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. It's weird which things you hold on to that CCP says and which ones you don't. They have no plans to shut Dust down. It just won't get developed in the way we all thought it would. We are stuck with hotfixes. My reasons and an alternate option are above this post The only reason Dust will still be active in a year is if the same servers are being used for Legion. With all the cuts in personel, (SF, ATL in the US, others overseas) keeping these servers active would be a waste of money. No, they haven't outright said that they are shutting them down, but it would make business sense.
Please stop using logic.They clearly don't understand anything.
1. OP orignally wanted a respec cause HE personally skilled into 4 assaults and somehow assumed he would be versatile
2. Thor some how thinks that respecs will attract new players . Not marketing or proper gamedesign implementation and ingenuity will attract playerbase (CCP has clearly failed on both). Not thinking it will only already benefit ESTABLISHED players. He somehow forgets that players that left and were disenfranchised with the game will get an epiphany and return to a game on its eleventh hour, with CCP clearly trying to restructure.
With SF just being closed and two CCP execs leaving. Good business practice is to reconsolidate and focus on your main source of cash inflow SIR !!!! i.e. DUST 514 is a subsidary of EVE.So guess who gets the cut when things are going poorly in EVE and with product that has already clearly failed as so said by you know people with business degrees..
And you somehow think Thor with all this going on, new players will come...
3. It's somehow mindblowing now to think that the OP needs to grind into a new skillset. The majority does it without a forum post. But now its the new FOTM to get on forums post it, request it and dismiss anyone else who tells you THAT is the way it is clearly done. BTW it was designed by CCP that way to skill into a new skilltree. Perish the thought!
4. Last time I played other 'free' MMOS if you wanted a skill respec you needed to submit a ticket and payfor it or buy an item that existed in the game that could only be purchased with real money. That is the design most, if not all F2P games. An here you're asking it for free...huh... . So quick question. If CCP implemented such option now..Will you pay for it with the game in its current state? lol
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Okay so you guys don't want a respec and we don't like to grind.. As Thor mentioned we should do other events instead of sp. I like sp events but it's not fun and not much of an incentive. Weekly or even monthly events would be nice.
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No I wouldn't pay for a respec because I don't need one.
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This community is so bitter and frustrating. Three times I've spec into suits that were later altered to the detriment of my play style. It's so stupid, and it's always forum trolls arguing against respecs
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:No I wouldn't pay for a respec because I don't need one.
Cause ESTABLISHED vets will not need one or benefit from one. Also veterans in MMOS usually become self sustained from their length of stay in game. It's classic MMO dynamics. You won't need one but clearly the 'communtiy' right?And if this facility was implemented early in the DUST 514 franchise it would have injected another cash flow and might have been their number 1 source of revenue ? Since you know....the skill tree is one of the central pillars of their game design ...right...? If they had ever added one right.? Right...? LOL alot of people clearly don't understand F2P MMO economic structures.Clearly !!!
I seriously wonder if any of you all are above the age of 23...The counter-arguments are amazing to say the least. Should allow you all to wallow in the quagmire of your destitution.
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RayRay James wrote:Alena Ventrallis
As well, cross training in eve is a hell of a lot easier than in dust. Eve skills let you quickly spec into a wide variety of ships. [b wrote:Dust has a separate skill for each individual suit type[/b]. This makes cross training far more intensive skilling into another type of suit far more intensive sp wise Than skilling into another ship in dust.
So does EVE Gallente frigate caldari frigate amarr frigate minmatar frigate gallente cruiser caldari cruiser amarr cruiser minmatar cruiser gallente battleship caldari battleship amarr battleship minmatar battleship gallente titan caldari titan amarr titan minmatar titan small hybrid turret small projectile turret small energy turret oh, and the missile tree yeah, real easy cross training until you get into t2, even the destroyers and battlecruisers have been split up. HAC, CS, AF are the only ones I think dont have race specific variations
Amazingly easy cross-training. Here is eve skills with Dust logic
Gallente Frigate
Gallente Assault Frigate
Gallente Covert Ops Frigate
Gallente Electronic Attack Frigate
Gallente Interceptor Frigate
Caldari Frigate
Caldari Assault Frigate
Caldari Covert Ops Frigate
Caldari Electronic Attack Frigate
Caldari Interceptor Frigate
Minmatar Frigate
Minmatar Assault Frigate
Minmatar Covert Ops Frigate
Minmatar Electronic Attack Frigate
Minmatar Interceptor Frigate
Amarr Frigate
Amarr Assault Frigate
Amarr Covert Ops Frigate
Amarr Electronic Attack Frigate
Amarr Interceptor Frigate
Already we're at more skills than you posted, and we haven't even done cruisers or battleships.
A proper Eve type skill list for dust would be:
Amarr Light Suits
Amarr Medium Suits
Amarr Heavy Suits
Gallente Light Suits
Gallente Medium Suits
Gallente Heavy Suits
Minmatar Light Suits
Minmatar Medium Suits
Minmatar Heavy Suits
Caldari Light Suits
Caldari Medium Suits
Caldari Heavy Suits
Scout Suits
Assault Suits
Logistic Suits
Commando Suits
Sentinel Suits
Shoot Scout with yes.
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Just like this post for a respec. |
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:49:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Then have more events Then there's no need for Respecs Why does it have to be an SP event? These are getting old. Why not have ISK events? Have a weekend were FW has increased salvage and officer weapon drops for winning battles. There are many, many things that could be done. They just haven't been trying very hard. I want more players and better matches. I am obviously having something akin to a religious debate with you about respecs. I see nothing wrong with CCP making an effort to get the players back that they ran off after FF. I think that's a pretty good olive branch. I'd like a bpo event or at least different colored suits of what you get kills with. Like say I get a kill with min assault then I get a green min assault suit. I wouldn't mind that, well the numbers to low.. Isk, yeah it'd help new players a lot.
A bpo event would be a great idea, this way people could get the bpo stuff they missed or allow people to get bpo stuff that was never given the chance.
Put the militia bpo stuff back in the market and put the rest up as an event, similar to the million clone event, but make it for the bpo stuff |
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Posted - 2014.08.30 01:29:00 -
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since 1.6? uh, you HAD a respec when 1.8 dropped bro...
should have picked your favorite commando and gone with that if you had all the rifles spec'd out
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