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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:31:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.
Wait, you're upset you can't use a heavy weapon on a light suit, so you want a respec?
Train reading comprehension to at least 3 first, then... well, still no respec.
Train a heavy suit, train Forge, now you have assaults AND heavies, no need to logout of game to switch styles. You've just doubled your potential benefit in match. |
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:55:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it comes from Eve.
It does.
I came to Dust because of it's (supposed) tie to EVE. The back stabbing, team killing, "keep you a$$ cheeks tight cuz you don''t know who's behind you", no place safe that I know and love.
Granted, CCP did a lot of things that torpedoed this game long before Fanfest '14.
As for the competition part, I already suck, an if I got a respec the points would go right back into the places they are now.
The anti-respec crowd also comes from the fact that people whine so much about snipers, forges, tanks, ads, REs, CR, AR, Lazors, Scramblers.... getting the point? Something get's balanced, people respec, now ALL you see in the field is the new FOTM. At least w/o a respec, it takes a few weeks before everyone is running the FOTM. |
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:34:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered.
Or, you could just train into something else. You've got the core done, right? So throw SP into another suit to adv and play it.
You're acting like you can't advance yourself at all anymore. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:11:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered. Or, you could just train into something else. You've got the core done, right? So throw SP into another suit to adv and play it. You're acting like you can't advance yourself at all anymore. I think you are missing the point. It appears he doesn't want to grind to something else when he has the SP he could use. Would it be better if we could update our skill queue and log off for a month?
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:29:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:[quote=Heimdallr69]After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. As well, cross training in eve is a hell of a lot easier than in dust. Eve skills let you quickly spec into a wide variety of ships. Dust has a separate skill for each individual suit type. This makes cross training far more intensive skilling into another type of suit far more intensive sp wise Than skilling into another ship in dust.
Gallente frigate caldari frigate amarr frigate minmatar frigate
gallente cruiser caldari cruiser amarr cruiser minmatar cruiser
gallente battleship caldari battleship amarr battleship minmatar battleship
gallente titan caldari titan amarr titan minmatar titan
small hybrid turret small projectile turret small energy turret
oh, and the missile tree
yeah, real easy cross training until you get into t2, even the destroyers and battlecruisers have been split up. HAC, CS, AF are the only ones I think dont have race specific variations |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:05:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:RayRay James wrote:
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time. Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change.
You don't have to play at all, you still earn SP, just not as fast. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:28:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote: You expect me to help you but I get nothing in return
Except ISK, WP, SP and maybe friendship/gratitude
Heimdallr69 wrote: You want to keep your sp advantage over the newer players is the only reason for saying no.
I have 46 mil SP, my advantage comes from the width of my skill tree, not it's depth. A respec wont change that, in fact, it'd probably make me MORE deadly. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:30:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:sabre prime wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. Jumping in late with a response to the first post from the OP. But if you want versatility then you should have proto'd one of each type of suit. Take one scout, one assault, one heavy and one logi to proto. Imagine how much of a versatile badass you would be then. I wish I had enough SP to do that. You decided to skill all four assaults to proto and you wish you had more versatility? No respec for you! I'm well aware of that that's why I made this thread.. Lots of people want a respec but a lot of people just shoot them down.
You just admitted you effed up and that's your motivation for a respec. No respec for you. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:03:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:As I stated before without a respec I will not go AV I will hoard my sp for legion. And I'm going to take my ball and go home.... Heimdallr69 wrote: You expect me to help you but I get nothing in return Except ISK, WP, SP and maybe friendship/gratitude Heimdallr69 wrote: You want to keep your sp advantage over the newer players is the only reason for saying no. I have 46 mil SP, my advantage comes from the width of my skill tree, not it's depth. A respec wont change that, in fact, it'd probably make me MORE deadly. Perhaps or maybe it'd let people with less sp to change stuff. You have 12m more sp than me that's like what 4 proto suits? I've been here since day 1 closed beta I'm very much a vet. Sorry I burnt myself out in closed beta.
What's funny is I only have one proto suit, gal logi.
Gal mando and gal scout at adv
ar and cr at proto.
dropships and tanks (which I never use) to lvl 5
You're actually more diverse in your capabilities at high levels than I am. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:04:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:sabre prime wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. Jumping in late with a response to the first post from the OP. But if you want versatility then you should have proto'd one of each type of suit. Take one scout, one assault, one heavy and one logi to proto. Imagine how much of a versatile badass you would be then. I wish I had enough SP to do that. You decided to skill all four assaults to proto and you wish you had more versatility? No respec for you! I'm well aware of that that's why I made this thread.. Lots of people want a respec but a lot of people just shoot them down. You just admitted you effed up and that's your motivation for a respec. No respec for you. If I wanted one for just myself I would have submitted a ticket! Are you being serious right now? Lmfao
You didn't submit a ticket because it says right on the MOTD that respecs will not be granted, so you came here to whine hoping to garner enough support to make CCP cave.
What you got is about a 50/50 mix of people who support you and people who support no respecs. CCPs history, coupled with a split playerbase means there probably wont ever be a respec. |
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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:09:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
That's a given. Nobody HAS to play. But if you like Dust, why would you want that to be one of the options that so many choose? Who does that benefit for fewer people to log in?
At this point Dust will ALWAYS be the lobby shooter that it's been. The longterm plan is gone. So now here we are trying to keep this game alive as long as possible. Why hold on to the 10 yr plan as your mantra if it is no longer part of the equation?
It makes no sense.
What little we've been told about Legion is that many of the things that have led to the Respec vs Anti-respec discussion will no longer be an issue. Suits will have the same amount of slots instead of tiers.
Do you work for Bungie?
If you read back ,you'll see that he was saying the only way to make SP was to grind, my response was that he didnt because you don't have to play to make SP.
You say Dust is unique, but then that it's just like every lobby shooter. You say don't hold on to the 10 year plan, make it like CoD at this point. I say No, leave it the way it is. There's no more development. There's not going to be a massive influx of new players. Respecs won't bring the disenfranchised players back, respecs will lead to most everyone throwing their SP into the Sentinel/BHMG and Scout/Shotty suits that others on the forums are wildly complaining about.
Also, no, I don't work for Bungie. I install and program home automation systems. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:44:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote: Actually no I didn't know that but thank you.. I never clicked on it so you just assumed I did. You guys still haven't given a good reason for why not but go ahead keep saying no.
Click on it? The MOTD is the screen the shows up before you select your character. You say we haven't given a good reason to not have a respec, I say you haven't given a reason to have a respec. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 18:04:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here.
But you were so passionate about your cause..... |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 18:05:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle.
In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:01:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. Then why do you care if people get respecs or not?
Because
Reasons
But really, my reasons actually are posted in this thread. I admit, my sarcasm gets the best of me sometimes, but I do really believe that respecs would have the opposite effect that people who want respecs think it will.
Now, if you want to give players an optional respec at say, 5 or 7 mil SP, that would be ok with me. by that time, you should have a firm grasp of the game, and how not to make the same mistakes again. But "I wan't a respec because I want to try heavies" I"m totally against. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:06:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. It's weird which things you hold on to that CCP says and which ones you don't. They have no plans to shut Dust down. It just won't get developed in the way we all thought it would. We are stuck with hotfixes.
My reasons and an alternate option are above this post
The only reason Dust will still be active in a year is if the same servers are being used for Legion. With all the cuts in personel, (SF, ATL in the US, others overseas) keeping these servers active would be a waste of money. No, they haven't outright said that they are shutting them down, but it would make business sense. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:30:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:RayRay James wrote: My reasons and an alternate option are above this post
The only reason Dust will still be active in a year is if the same servers are being used for Legion. With all the cuts in personel, (SF, ATL in the US, others overseas) keeping these servers active would be a waste of money. No, they haven't outright said that they are shutting them down, but it would make business sense.
It's only a waste of money because they refuse to implement things that would generate more income. Poor choices are their part. FW was a big one. They decided to make it an ISK sink AND an AUR sink if people decided to buy AUR for boosters. How f'n ******** is that? I mean really, from a business perspective how stupid is that? They left a game mode going that was generating billions of ISK for the best of the best in the game and countered with an ISK sink in the gamemode that could have saved Dust. People were pumped about FW, Kane pleaded to not have an ISK sink until there was a player market.. Point being they could make FW an ISK generator that is playable on a constant basis with team deploy (syncs) with a full LP market and people would buy FW boosters. It's right there for the taking, but they continue to ignore it.
This, I somewhat agree with.
Still not on the respec though. Those players that come back for the 3x dont stay through the next week or two.
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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:41:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Then have more events
Then there's no need for Respecs |
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