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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:37:00 -
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I'm always in favor of a respec because I believe it encourages competition. Also I want my SP in swarm launchers back.
Was just playing with a newberry last night that created a character and then didn't play. When he did decide to play he had 4 mil sp and ended up dumping it into a suit (I forget which) and the AR because some dude wiped the floor with him using that. He went on about how he couldn't understand how that guy pretty much insta killed him with the same thing he's getting wrecked in. I asked him what his core skills where on and he didn't know what I was talking about so I explained it to him. Afterwards he said he wished there was a way to refund skill points; I told him they have done a few respecs but it's not likely that they'll do another one; to which he told me that sucks.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:43:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.. That right there is the reason I believe most of the anti-respec people are against them. A lot of dust players are afraid of competition; of course they'll never admit it but it's easy to tell which of them are (especially when they rage against respecs).
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:08:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:OZAROW wrote:Reads corp name, laughs and cares that much less. I don't get it Heimdallr69 is in Nyain San, the legendary FOTM corp. The one people point to when something is OP and say "See, if it wasn't OP they wouldn't be running squads of it". I don't see them enough anymore to know if it holds true these days.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:41:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:call me cynical but if ccp gave full respecs the vast majority would skill into heavies with hmgs and scouts with shotguns 90% of dust already has that so not much would change. i do still get the odd game now and then with variety in dropsuits, but full respecs would kill that off totally That's BS. I don't know much about the Gal Assault, but the other three assaults are VERY powerful. Campers love the Cal Commando with RR. The Amarr and Min scouts are actually viable now (the min scout is crazy fun). I think more than likely you'll see a lot of people move from scouts and heavies back into assault. Personally I'm loving the Gal Assault. It's the main suit I use on more open maps; I've got like 10 different fits of it.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:07:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.. That right there is the reason I believe most of the anti-respec people are against them. A lot of dust players are afraid of competition; of course they'll never admit it but it's easy to tell which of them are (especially when they rage against respecs). Well, for most dust 514 players, there is no competition. You wake up in the morning, brush your teeth, go to battle, die a hundred times, get redlined, come home, brush your teeth, go to bed. Repeat. Actually, it's not that bad, but respecs only really help out vets. That being said, I'm all up for a respec, even though I would probably spec back into everything I have right now. Lol.. Vets benefit far less from it than newberries that improperly spent their SP. Vets have the SP to spare to skill into whatever strikes their fancy and if we don't it's nothing to grind for it because we already have solid fits to fall back on.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:22:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:OZAROW wrote:Reads corp name, laughs and cares that much less. I don't get it Heimdallr69 is in Nyain San, the legendary FOTM corp. The one people point to when something is OP and say "See, if it wasn't OP they wouldn't be running squads of it". I don't see them enough anymore to know if it holds true these days. One could look at your corp name and think, "Just a bunch of scrubs. Ignore". However, the mature and level headed won't fall into that trap. And, FYI, Heim is anything but a FOTM chaser -- if anything, he's the antithesis of FOTM. Well you can't deny that NS used to be the FOTM corp that would run squads of whatever was OP at the moment. Of course other corps did as well but NS was iconic for it. And I wasn't calling Heimdallr69 a FOTM chaser, I was merely explaining OZAROW's post to Thor.
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Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:01:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time.
Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:11:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Thumb Green wrote:RayRay James wrote:
Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.
It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?
If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.
Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time. Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change. You don't have to play at all, you still earn SP, just not as fast. To gain any meaningful amount of SP you do have to play. You can't make anywhere near the progress on Dust with passive SP as an EVE player can.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:29:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
That's a given. Nobody HAS to play. But if you like Dust, why would you want that to be one of the options that so many choose? Who does that benefit for fewer people to log in?
At this point Dust will ALWAYS be the lobby shooter that it's been. The longterm plan is gone. So now here we are trying to keep this game alive as long as possible. Why hold on to the 10 yr plan as your mantra if it is no longer part of the equation?
It makes no sense.
What little we've been told about Legion is that many of the things that have led to the Respec vs Anti-respec discussion will no longer be an issue. Suits will have the same amount of slots instead of tiers.
Do you work for Bungie?
If you read back ,you'll see that he was saying the only way to make SP was to grind, my response was that he didnt because you don't have to play to make SP. If you read back you'll see that I was saying the only way to make a meaningful amount of SP was to grind. But you're right you don't have to grind; you can wait months to build up a meaningful amount of SP.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.29 18:21:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You know what it's fine we don't need a respec o7. I'm done here. It gets tiring fast. I'm done as well. All seven of the anti-respec dudes can keep discussing it's merits in a year when they are playing each other battle after battle. In a year, no one will be playing Dust because the servers will be shut down so it won't matter. Then why do you care if people get respecs or not?
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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