Have you thought about investing into Swarm Launchers?

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Basically a respec will punish the players that have planned out there sp and put in in the key areas for the role they wanted to play

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Eve and dust are not 2 different games they are 2 parts of a whole game, we have eve the space pilots that support us with troop transport, albeit it is mostly npc based but that could have been done differently, and the foot troops fight on the ground, meaning dust.

They are based of the same lore so how are they different games?

Basically a respec will punish the players that have planned out there sp and put in in the key areas for the role they wanted to play and rewards the players that chased after the next OP things and didn't bother putting it in the areas that are important for their roles. What a respec will do is tell everyone "To Hell With Proper Skill Planning and Just Chase After whatever is OP at the time and when that changes just cry and whine and b!tch and you will get to put your sp in the next OP things" and that would just ruin the game way more then the CoD scrubs did when they started playing the game.


I hear so many FoTM chasers that skilled into the min scout crying to remove the hacking bonus in place of an Ewar skill or change the hacking skills to effect the cloaks. Yet the people that have been a min scout from the start understand that min scouts don't need ewar passives on the suit because it runs just fine without it. It is the players like that, that have no real understand of how the suit works because they keep switching suits and weapons as soon as the next OP stuff is put in effect, and that is what the anti-respec bgade is trying to prevent, rewarding the FoTM chase instead of rewarding the players that planned where their skills go.

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I hear so many FoTM chasers that skilled into the min scout crying to remove the hacking bonus in place of an Ewar skill or change the hacking skills to effect the cloaks . . .

Ever since Uprising I have very carefully planned out my SP expenditures on three accounts. Sometimes waiting months for the next patch just to be sure another upset doesn't happen. Yet CCP successfully nulled my choices with careless nerfs followed by apathy or ignorance to the problems.

How can our choices matter in a hostile development environment?

Gonna have to speak up about this flawed argument.

Eve has no respecs, but eve has an entirely passive so system. If a fotm comes about in eve, I can simply put skills into the skill queue and stop playing until I have the skills I chose. Not so in dust.

As well, cross training in eve is a hell of a lot easier than in dust. Eve skills let you quickly spec into a wide variety of ships. Dust has a separate skill for each individual suit type. This makes cross training far more intensive skilling into another type of suit far more intensive sp wise Than skilling into another ship in dust.

Far more importantly, skilling up is SO MUCH EASIER than in dust. The electronic/eengineering skills in eve are a x1 multipier. Compare that to the x6 multiplier the exact same skill in dust is. And even then, you need FAR LESS SP for an equivalent multiplier in eve. Level 1 of an x1 skill in dust is 6220 sp. In eve, the same skill would cost 250 sp.

So please, stop bringing up the argument that eve doesn't give respecs. You are comparing two totally different types of games. Its like saying that since apples go in a fruit salad, and a tomato is fruit, then tomatoes should go in a fruit salad.

Respec after delta. Reasonable and logical.

I honestly think its coming.

The end is near.

This will be the final patch, then a respec to end all respecs and also patches. Server closes in the near future. I am feeling some MAG nostalgia coming here.

I think you are missing the point. It appears he doesn't want to grind to something else when he has the SP he could use.

Would it be better if we could update our skill queue and log off for a month?

Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.

Swarms are AV.

Plasma Cannon is AV.

You're asking for a respec for personal gain, not a community wide change. So, no. Earn those skill points.

Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.

It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?

If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.

As well, cross training in eve is a hell of a lot easier than in dust. Eve skills let you quickly spec into a wide variety of ships. Dust has a separate skill for each individual suit type. This makes cross training far more intensive skilling into another type of suit far more intensive sp wise Than skilling into another ship in dust.

Essentially you can do that here. You can do EXACTLY that in EVE. Many people do in fact.

It's not a grind, in my opinion. You're asking for instant gratification. Sure, CCP made some drastic changes to suits, but they've done the same to ships in EVE. The difference is the absolute $hitstorm of complaints here in Dust vs the small, moderately upset amount of players in EVE. If you want to train into a different suit or weapon, go right ahead. By the end of the week, you'll have both to advanced, by the end of the month you'll have both to proto. Is it really that hard to wait 7 days or 30 days?

If it is, you need to put down the controller and find something else to do.

You're correct it is personal but at the same time it helps the community now doesn't it and nah I've made up my mind I'll let you guys do AV I'll stick with slaying, good luck . If I have to wait for the sp instead of getting a respec I'm sure as hell not gonna waste it this time.

Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time.

Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change.

Except it is a grind, to gain any meaningful amount of SP you have to play and eventually you have to play for a month just to bump up one skill one level maybe even longer depending on how stubborn Scotty wants to be about putting you on the sh!t team that gets stomped. If that's not a grind in your opinion then nothing is. The reason people don't flip out on EVE like they do on Dust is EVE players don't have to grind; they just queue up some skills and then do whatever the hell they want. So when something is changed in EVE it's no big deal cause they'll do just that. But when something is changed in Dust it can completely invalidate months of play time. Take the slot change on Amarr & Gal Sentinels, I specifically grinded for the SP to skill into the Amarr suit because of the layout it had and now all that time has been wasted and flushed down the toilet by CCP and I had to start over to get that slot layout. The difference is, EVE players don't have to worry about their time being wasted whereas any update to Dust could completely invalidate months of time.

Of course for us vets that's not a big deal, like I said earlier we've already got enough SP spread out to fall back on but for new players it's enough to make them want to quit and the ones that stay have to grind for a month or more all while getting their asses stomped because of a change.

You don't have to play at all, you still earn SP, just not as fast.

After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m.

You expect me to help you but I get nothing in return

You want to keep your sp advantage over the newer players is the only reason for saying no.

Jumping in late with a response to the first post from the OP. But if you want versatility then you should have proto'd one of each type of suit. Take one scout, one assault, one heavy and one logi to proto. Imagine how much of a versatile badass you would be then. I wish I had enough SP to do that.

You decided to skill all four assaults to proto and you wish you had more versatility? No respec for you!

I'm well aware of that that's why I made this thread.. Lots of people want a respec but a lot of people just shoot them down.

And I'm going to take my ball and go home....



Except ISK, WP, SP and maybe friendship/gratitude



I have 46 mil SP, my advantage comes from the width of my skill tree, not it's depth. A respec wont change that, in fact, it'd probably make me MORE deadly.

You just admitted you effed up and that's your motivation for a respec. No respec for you.

You don't have to play at all, you still earn SP, just not as fast.

Perhaps or maybe it'd let people with less sp to change stuff. You have 12m more sp than me that's like what 4 proto suits? I've been here since day 1 closed beta I'm very much a vet. Sorry I burnt myself out in closed beta.