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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:41:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:call me cynical but if ccp gave full respecs the vast majority would skill into heavies with hmgs and scouts with shotguns 90% of dust already has that so not much would change. i do still get the odd game now and then with variety in dropsuits, but full respecs would kill that off totally That's BS. I don't know much about the Gal Assault, but the other three assaults are VERY powerful. Campers love the Cal Commando with RR. The Amarr and Min scouts are actually viable now (the min scout is crazy fun). I think more than likely you'll see a lot of people move from scouts and heavies back into assault.
Personally I'm loving the Gal Assault. It's the main suit I use on more open maps; I've got like 10 different fits of it.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Fix supply depots
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:42:00 -
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And there are a lot of people I know that love it too. Just another example of the FOTM crap being overstated.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:44:00 -
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I should say that I wouldn't spend my SP any differently either.
MAYBE I'd skill into the Min Heavy instead of the Cal Heavy and dump my SP from Amarr Commando and Heavy toward getting my Min Commando to proto. Just so I'd have all the Minmatar suits proto.
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:48:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.. That right there is the reason I believe most of the anti-respec people are against them. A lot of dust players are afraid of competition; of course they'll never admit it but it's easy to tell which of them are (especially when they rage against respecs).
Well, for most dust 514 players, there is no competition. You wake up in the morning, brush your teeth, go to battle, die a hundred times, get redlined, come home, brush your teeth, go to bed. Repeat.
Actually, it's not that bad, but respecs only really help out vets. That being said, I'm all up for a respec, even though I would probably spec back into everything I have right now.
My other car is Utena
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:56:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.. That right there is the reason I believe most of the anti-respec people are against them. A lot of dust players are afraid of competition; of course they'll never admit it but it's easy to tell which of them are (especially when they rage against respecs). Well, for most dust 514 players, there is no competition. You wake up in the morning, brush your teeth, go to battle, die a hundred times, get redlined, come home, brush your teeth, go to bed. Repeat. Actually, it's not that bad, but respecs only really help out vets. That being said, I'm all up for a respec, even though I would probably spec back into everything I have right now.
Maxed out DS upgrades (except for melee mods)
12 ADV (3 proto) suits (4th proto by end of 3x event)
All but Sniper and Plasma Cannon are proto in LW
Both heavy weapons proto
3 proto sidearms and others ADV
If this was you, how would you spend your SP differently to make yourself more powerful as a vet?
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PSN: wbrom42
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
2037
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:59:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:[quote=Thor Odinson42]Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
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That right there needs to be the final check before doing any change. Will it force people out? I love peer review and good discussions but sometimes the final decision is not going to meet the stated goals, staying with the change while ignoring the negative ramifications is just poor design.
When it come to CCP's FPS unless you have extremely large SP totals changes can wreck your abilities to be competive of even enjoy the game. Last December the Devs took a sledge hammer to my Sentinel Main. With the changes of Uprising 1.8 he's playable again but the poor decisions on CCP's part still force me to use one primary weapon (which is still better than none).
I'm a fan of targeted SP refunds. If the SP for Forge Guns and Caldari Sentinel were returned a good chunk of my anger towards CCP and Devs would go away.
Either or if CCP is going to kick someone in the nuts at least offer them something back. SP is the easiest form of compensation.
I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers.
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DozersMouse XIII
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
879
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:03:00 -
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instead of asking CCP for a respec
we should be asking CCP for a dropsuit command SP refund
they just might fall for it
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:04:00 -
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why is ccp so against respecs? they could make tons of money by selling respec tickets. And if people are so worried that it allows vets to go fotm every month, then why not make the respec cost x amount of money and x% of life time sp, so you don't get a full refund.
people would still buy the respecs.
My other car is Utena
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Seigfried Warheit
Caught Me With My Pants Down
352
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:04:00 -
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Vets already got like how many respecs now? Another wont hurt them or benefit them if they already have what they want. Dunno why they get all pissy about respecs.
I am a prof. V scrub. I have no honor
The best strategy is not to wear pants
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4453
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:04:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Thumb Green wrote:[quote=Thor Odinson42]Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
snip That right there needs to be the final check before doing any change. Will it force people out? I love peer review and good discussions but sometimes the final decision is not going to meet the stated goals, staying with the change while ignoring the negative ramifications is just poor design. When it come to CCP's FPS unless you have extremely large SP totals changes can wreck your abilities to be competive of even enjoy the game. Last December the Devs took a sledge hammer to my Sentinel Main. With the changes of Uprising 1.8 he's playable again but the poor decisions on CCP's part still force me to use one primary weapon (which is still better than none). I'm a fan of targeted SP refunds. If the SP for Forge Guns and Caldari Sentinel were returned a good chunk of my anger towards CCP and Devs would go away. Either or if CCP is going to kick someone in the nuts at least offer them something back. SP is the easiest form of compensation.
It's a nobrainer.
Would people stop playing if people were offered respecs? I find it highly unlikely and it would be dwarfed by the number of people who have rage quit after nerfs.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4453
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:07:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:why is ccp so against respecs? they could make tons of money by selling respec tickets. And if people are so worried that it allows vets to go fotm every month, then why not make the respec cost x amount of money and x% of life time sp, so you don't get a full refund.
people would still buy the respecs.
I think they'd be better off chasing money elsewhere. FW is the place I think they could make the most money. I could see people buying FW boosters if the right tweaks were made.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1332
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:07:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.. That right there is the reason I believe most of the anti-respec people are against them. A lot of dust players are afraid of competition; of course they'll never admit it but it's easy to tell which of them are (especially when they rage against respecs). Well, for most dust 514 players, there is no competition. You wake up in the morning, brush your teeth, go to battle, die a hundred times, get redlined, come home, brush your teeth, go to bed. Repeat. Actually, it's not that bad, but respecs only really help out vets. That being said, I'm all up for a respec, even though I would probably spec back into everything I have right now.
Lol.. Vets benefit far less from it than newberries that improperly spent their SP. Vets have the SP to spare to skill into whatever strikes their fancy and if we don't it's nothing to grind for it because we already have solid fits to fall back on.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
194
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:07:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently.
i just went on proto fits and knocked up an a-1 sentinel with proto forge, if your core skills are maxed with this event you could have it in 1 or 2 weeks, nut the **** up man cmon
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:09:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.
The OP is a great player so he's not one that would greatly benefit from one. But how many blueberries might be decent with a respec? How many players would come back if they advertised it (newsletter)? There is literally nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain.
Simple the anti-respec brigade is all about telling the FoTM chasers to stop being scrubs that chase after the next OP thing and learn to use what you got.
If your not happy with what you got then just save up the sp to get what you want. There ar more then enough triple sp events, and even without them you can easily get into a heavy and a forge gun in 1-2 weeks.
Not to mention that with the combo of swarm, av nades an proxy mines that an assault suit can very easy take out a tank.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4455
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:12:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:instead of asking CCP for a respec we should be asking CCP for a dropsuit command SP refund they just might fall for it
I agree, but I'd rather all the noobs that have done stupid things with their SP be able to get focused into something more viable.
I'd really love to see an asset refund as well so they might actually fight a little with that more viable suit.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4455
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:13:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Or he could just get a respec and not quit Dust.
The anti respec thing blows my mind. I truly don't get it. If anything it devalues the 62.5 mil SP that I have for there to be respecs and I don't care. I just want Dust to be populated and for it to be more competitive.
The OP is a great player so he's not one that would greatly benefit from one. But how many blueberries might be decent with a respec? How many players would come back if they advertised it (newsletter)? There is literally nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain. Simple the anti-respec brigade is all about telling the FoTM chasers to stop being scrubs that chase after the next OP thing and learn to use what you got. If your not happy with what you got then just save up the sp to get what you want. There ar more then enough triple sp events, and even without them you can easily get into a heavy and a forge gun in 1-2 weeks. Not to mention that with the combo of swarm, av nades an proxy mines that an assault suit can very easy take out a tank.
I've already responded to all those things and I still don't see the benefit of NOT doing it.
Which suit do you think is FOTM?
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PSN: wbrom42
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:16:00 -
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. did you miss title of name EVE/dust 514 in eve there are no respecs thats a 10 year game u read spec your stuff if you dont like it allwell get more skillpoints spec next thing if u dont like reading mabey this game is not the one for you....ive been given option of respec but never did it except for forced respecs that never shouldve happened
Um in eve skills are based on real time not sp, so idk what eve your playing but in my eve if i want a new ship i have to wait hours, days, weeks, even months to get them, and there is no such thing as a respec. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:17:00 -
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered. lol i played destiny its a money grab lol
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4462
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:25:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After playing nothing but assaults since day 1 closed beta I just wanted a change of pace. But I guess that'll just have to wait hopefully destiny is good and the halo's 1-4 remastered. lol i played destiny its a money grab lol And Dust isn't just a money grab?
Not enough of one or we'd be waiting on Dust 2.0 on PS4.
It's weird to me that people are against respecs but they are okay with some players being able to buy AUR gear that gets them into a suit with lower SP. Granted the bonuses aren't as strong, but still.
We all have to agree that games need money to go on. CCP did a good job in making people spend money. It didn't do a good job keeping them around. I blame the lack of respecs as a major factor. I'd also say that the grind was a major factor.
Maybe the rollover system would have prevented people from being so angry when the stuff they grinded for was nerfed. But clocking in like it's a job for weekly cap is a big factor in the hostility.
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PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4462
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:28:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:After having all assaults proto since 1.6 I think it's time for a respec. Yes I know it was my choice to skill all assaults but now I have no versatility. And with the upcoming changes to sidearms that'd be the perfect chance for a respec. No I don't have 60m sp I have around 33m. did you miss title of name EVE/dust 514 in eve there are no respecs thats a 10 year game u read spec your stuff if you dont like it allwell get more skillpoints spec next thing if u dont like reading mabey this game is not the one for you....ive been given option of respec but never did it except for forced respecs that never shouldve happened Um in eve skills are based on real time not sp, so idk what eve your playing but in my eve if i want a new ship i have to wait hours, days, weeks, even months to get them, and there is no such thing as a respec.
So you think Dust would be better off if people logged in and updated their skill queue then logged off?
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PSN: wbrom42
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3365
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:42:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently. i just went on proto fits and knocked up an a-1 sentinel with proto forge, if your core skills are maxed with this event you could have it in 1 or 2 weeks, nut the **** up man cmon. infact **** combat and rail rifles that is what im skilling next
I have all rifles pro 5 they're boring.
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Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
794
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:42:00 -
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Or you can buy my maxed hmg/forge/core heavy gk.0 with 2.5 million unallocated SP for $39.99!
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4469
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:44:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Or you can buy my maxed hmg/forge/core heavy gk.0 with 2.5 million unallocated SP for $39.99!
I'd be down with it. But I think it would stop people's heart if CCP announced that.
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PSN: wbrom42
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3365
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:45:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Or you can buy my maxed hmg/forge/core heavy gk.0 with 2.5 million unallocated SP for $39.99!
Or I could on my alt but that's not the point. If they don't want to do a respec they could at least transfer my aur.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3365
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:46:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:Or you can buy my maxed hmg/forge/core heavy gk.0 with 2.5 million unallocated SP for $39.99! I'd be down with it. But I think it would stop people's heart if CCP announced that.
Oh I thought he meant like his actual acc Lolz I'm dumb 
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
194
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:46:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently. i just went on proto fits and knocked up an a-1 sentinel with proto forge, if your core skills are maxed with this event you could have it in 1 or 2 weeks, nut the **** up man cmon. infact **** combat and rail rifles that is what im skilling next I have all rifles pro 5 they're boring.
whats the rifles got to do with anything when you said you wanted av, which i pointed out you could have very quickly?
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1402
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:50:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:OZAROW wrote:Reads corp name, laughs and cares that much less. I don't get it Heimdallr69 is in Nyain San, the legendary FOTM corp. The one people point to when something is OP and say "See, if it wasn't OP they wouldn't be running squads of it". I don't see them enough anymore to know if it holds true these days.
One could look at your corp name and think, "Just a bunch of scrubs. Ignore". However, the mature and level headed won't fall into that trap.
And, FYI, Heim is anything but a FOTM chaser -- if anything, he's the antithesis of FOTM. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4470
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:51:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Claims to have all assaults proto.
Says he has no versatility Can I use a forge? No... After being vehicle spammed the other day it made me realize assaults aren't everything like I thought they were.. Hell ccp could just transfer my aur and omegas to my alt psn and I'd be happy with that. Since a respec is such a terrible thing apparently. i just went on proto fits and knocked up an a-1 sentinel with proto forge, if your core skills are maxed with this event you could have it in 1 or 2 weeks, nut the **** up man cmon. infact **** combat and rail rifles that is what im skilling next I have all rifles pro 5 they're boring. whats the rifles got to do with anything when you said you wanted av, which i pointed out you could have very quickly?
Explain what it would hurt if he was able to take his SP from Rail Rifle and put it into FG? Try to put some thought into it.
Not just, because Eve.
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PSN: wbrom42
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
329
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:55:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:why is ccp so against respecs? they could make tons of money by selling respec tickets. And if people are so worried that it allows vets to go fotm every month, then why not make the respec cost x amount of money and x% of life time sp, so you don't get a full refund.
people would still buy the respecs.
Or they could make it availible quarterly.
Why?
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Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
794
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:56:00 -
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Man, CCP can suck my ****, no charge. Maybe $3.95 for licking & handling.
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