ScR users "the weapons not OP because nobody could ever tap the button that fast!"

Other people "then let's nerf the RoF so it's not abused by jerks"

ScR users again "...no"

Uh. No.
Pretty much everyone thinks the RoF should be nerfed, but not to lol368lol.
503 rpm is perfect.

Maybe if the hipfire wasn't tighter then the TAR, that could work I suppose.

The rpm needs to be 600, I just can't deal with another bs Scp

Duvolle Tactical has an achievable DPS of 606Gàô at PRO,make the ScR have an achievable DPS of roughly the same. 600ish.

To have exactly 600 DPS at PRO(which I think is fair, all things considered) the ScR should have a RoF of exactly 503.497.

Do this.

P.S. This was a fair assessment. Don't compare it to weapons of a different variant.

I honestly think 600 is too much. Almost nobody can do that with their fingers.
The trick is to find a balancing point. A place where modded controllers aren't overwhelmingly good, but yet very few people can oversample it regularly.

The scrambler has been fine before Charlie, not 1 nerf thread, many were asking for buffs but BAM! Charlie hits and everybody's starts crying about the weapon which has been left the same since 1.8 hit. DON'T BLAME THE WEAPON, BLAME DMG MODS. Leave the scrambler rifle alone.

Sure, whatever. Just means I'll kill ScR users more easily now.

The RoF of the ScP never exceeded 525(Carthum AScP), so I don't see how 503 is too low.

Have you fired a scp lately? Because if you have surely you notice how unfluidly it fires.

You mean you can't fire it continously, it acts more like a revolver, I like it.

As we all know the Scrambler Rifle is currently get quite a bit of stick. Some of it fair some of it not, most of it biased. With that in mind I'm hoping to ignore all of that and show just the pure maths.

From talking to other players and through personal experience, 7 shots a second is a reasonable ROF for the scrambler rifle, excluding turbos and FOTM followers. The average human click speed is 6 per second so this isn't unlikely.

Let's Start by looking at the stats on a scrambler rifle.
Now at 7 shots a second the DPS (excluding charge) is 539
According to most people the ScR overheats within 14 shots at profciency 0, this is also included my own personal experience.
This gives 2 seconds BEFORE overheat and 5 second seize duration. (However firing 13 shots means you cooldown within 2 seconds)

If we include the charge shot which does 2.5 times damage and overheats with only 7 shots on average. We see a DPS of 659
but only 1 second before overheat. And then of course the 5 second seizure.

Now let's look at the Assault Rifle (The short range high DPS weapon)
At the fully automatic ROF of 800 RPM (13 shots a second) the DPS equates to 453
With this ROF you get a 6 second magazine before reload is required.

So now let's stack the 2 together I will put the Assault on the left and the scrambler on the right.
DPS vs Shields: 498 vs 646
DPS vs Armour: 407 vs 431

DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming no Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 1,078
DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 659
DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming Charge and Seizure) 906 vs 659

DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Charge, Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,078
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Charge, No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,617
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Charge, Seizure) 2,265 vs 659
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Charge, No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,318

DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Charge, Seizure) 3,171 vs 2,176
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Charge, No Seizure) 3,171 vs 3,234
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Charge, Seizure) 3,171 vs 1,318
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Charge, No Seizure) 3,171 vs 1,977

As you can see the user of the scrambler rifle can choose to either Alpha damage them to death in less than 2 seconds, or they can outlast them in a marathon of combat that only the scrambler rifle can maintain. Strangely the Charge shot is actually worse in any event where you don't kill your opponent within the first second.

Wether you like it or not the scrambler rifle needs tweaking and conaidering it's possible to achieve an extra 4 shots a secomd at the moment it most DEFINITELY needs a more reasonable ROF cap.

Personally I suggest a simple nerf to the ROF, it currently stands at 705 RPM approximately 11 a second, this gives too much room for abuse. As you can see at 7 a second the scrambler rifle already outclasses the AR.

I would personally prefer around 417 RPM which is JUST over 6 shots a second. Which comes in at 467 DPS, which is only 15 more than the AR so as to give some leeway for the overheat mechanic. This shouldn't really effect the feel of the weapon for most people.

Does this seem reasonable?

DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming no Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 1,078

DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Charge, No Seizure) 3,171 vs 3,234

Basically, the AR outdoes the SCR on almost every situation except for 2 situations out of your 12 encounters you present us and still want the SCR nerfed ?

I don't follow ....



Ok so we have a 172 lead of damage here, and we need to stop firing or our gun seizes, the AR still at that point has 4 more seconds or 1812 Damage left inside it's clip, if we did not kill it with the lead damage, we are basically dead here



Oh look 63 damage difference over a 10 second sustained battle....this 63 damage comes at the price of having to adjust shots to compensate for heat.

So basically AR pulls a 10 vs 2 win and the SCR needs a nerf ?


Edit: i can get in about 8-9 taps without loosing accuracy per second (Mouse)

So you like how if you tap R1 out of sync it basically jams?

The scrambler has been fine before Charlie, not 1 nerf thread, many were asking for buffs but BAM! Charlie hits and everybody's starts crying about the weapon which has been left the same since 1.8 hit. DON'T BLAME THE WEAPON, BLAME DMG MODS. Leave the scrambler rifle alone.

Yes, because as you will see most engagements aren't going to last past 5 seconds.
With the exception of heavies how many enimies have over 1,000 DPS.

It should really be that the AR wins out in the shorter engagements (at CQC) but not in the longer engagements (at Range).
Currently the ScR does this behaviour at CQC ranges, you feel this is fair.

DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming no Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 1,078

That's the problem though, we either make it so EVERYONE is firing at about the same speed, or we nerf the damage, then those that can't fire fast enough end up with a weapon they can't use. I would be prepared to go to 417 RPM

As we all know the Scrambler Rifle is currently get quite a bit of stick. Some of it fair some of it not, most of it biased. With that in mind I'm hoping to ignore all of that and show just the pure maths.

From talking to other players and through personal experience, 7 shots a second is a reasonable ROF for the scrambler rifle, excluding turbos and FOTM followers. The average human click speed is 6 per second so this isn't unlikely.

Let's Start by looking at the stats on a scrambler rifle.
Now at 7 shots a second the DPS (excluding charge) is 539
According to most people the ScR overheats within 14 shots at profciency 0, this is also included my own personal experience.
This gives 2 seconds BEFORE overheat and 5 second seize duration. (However firing 13 shots means you cooldown within 2 seconds)

If we include the charge shot which does 2.5 times damage and overheats with only 7 shots on average. We see a DPS of 659
but only 1 second before overheat. And then of course the 5 second seizure.

Now let's look at the Assault Rifle (The short range high DPS weapon)
At the fully automatic ROF of 800 RPM (13 shots a second) the DPS equates to 453
With this ROF you get a 6 second magazine before reload is required.

So now let's stack the 2 together I will put the Assault on the left and the scrambler on the right.
DPS vs Shields: 498 vs 646
DPS vs Armour: 407 vs 431

DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming no Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 1,078
DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 659
DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming Charge and Seizure) 906 vs 659

DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Charge, Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,078
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Charge, No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,617
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Charge, Seizure) 2,265 vs 659
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Charge, No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,318

DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Charge, Seizure) 3,171 vs 2,176
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Charge, No Seizure) 3,171 vs 3,234
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Charge, Seizure) 3,171 vs 1,318
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Charge, No Seizure) 3,171 vs 1,977

As you can see the user of the scrambler rifle can choose to either Alpha damage them to death in less than 2 seconds, or they can outlast them in a marathon of combat that only the scrambler rifle can maintain. Strangely the Charge shot is actually worse in any event where you don't kill your opponent within the first second.

Wether you like it or not the scrambler rifle needs tweaking and conaidering it's possible to achieve an extra 4 shots a secomd at the moment it most DEFINITELY needs a more reasonable ROF cap.

Personally I suggest a simple nerf to the ROF, it currently stands at 705 RPM approximately 11 a second, this gives too much room for abuse. As you can see at 7 a second the scrambler rifle already outclasses the AR.

I would personally prefer around 417 RPM which is JUST over 6 shots a second. Which comes in at 467 DPS, which is only 15 more than the AR so as to give some leeway for the overheat mechanic. This shouldn't really effect the feel of the weapon for most people.

Does this seem reasonable?

Nice follow up post from earlier.

I'd also like to add, that the Scrambler Rifle is far too effective in CQC for a weapon which is designed to be used at Semi-Long range. As a solution, I'd suggest increasing the dispersion while hip-fired, but also increase the scope's Zoom Fidelity to encourage use at longer ranges.

This makes it weaker at what it's not supposed to do, while also making it stronger at it's intended purpose. In my opinion, this is a reasonable compromise.

Unless your firing at 8 shots or more a second, the change would be 77 dps less, with an averave of 420.

This would in make it lower than the Gallante Assault Rifle, Assault Scrambler Rifle only.

Bah! How dare you speak to an AR user like he doesn't even realize everything in the game does more DPS than him.

Hell, I hardly remember the days when it was OP... they're all glazed over from 1.7 crushing my hopes and dreams.

Would you care to explain your reasoning?
It will fire 1 round slower per second for most people, unless of course your shooting at nearly 9 rounds a second as being proposed by some people, or would you like me to actually start calculating the maximum DPS's?

To be honest I think the RR should have 300 DPS and the ScR 350, but I'm trying to be fair.

Well what do you expect when you put Good people against bad people ? aren't the good people supposed to be having any advantages for being good at FPS games.

Lets see, if i am reduced to 6 rounds a second, for the whole whopping 15-20 Additional damage i might do, WHY would i still use the scrambler ?

Idd just get a fancy 6 second firing time gun, put this one on paperweight duty and call it quits, like pretty much where the Tactical has been all this time.




You do know we would just all jump back onto the AR bandwagon and then you would want suits to get nerfed because everyone is using the same gun now so "you" need to get something else nerfed to get better at this game.


Just get over it, Guns kill sh*t, use whatever fits your style of fighting most, mine is using Semi-Auto Long Range weapons in CQC, whats yours?

So your happy with them being underpowered, purely because everything else is unbalanced by comparison.
I'm not trying to nerf it into the ground, I'm just trying to regulate fairly.

To be honest I think the RR should have 300 DPS and the ScR 350, but I'm trying to be fair.

I would personally prefer around 417 RPM which is JUST over 6 shots a second.

And CR should remain as the dominant weapon ?!

RR is very CQC effective to though lol