So now let's stack the 2 together I will put the Assault on the left and the scrambler on the right.
DPS vs Shields: 498 vs 646
DPS vs Armour: 407 vs 431

DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming no Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 1,078
DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 659
DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming Charge and Seizure) 906 vs 659

DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Charge, Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,078
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Charge, No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,617
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Charge, Seizure) 2,265 vs 659
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Charge, No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,318

DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Charge, Seizure) 3,171 vs 2,176
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Charge, No Seizure) 3,171 vs 3,234
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Charge, Seizure) 3,171 vs 1,318
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Charge, No Seizure) 3,171 vs 1,977

As you can see the user of the scrambler rifle can choose to either Alpha damage them to death in less than 2 seconds, or they can outlast them in a marathon of combat that only the scrambler rifle can maintain. Strangely the Charge shot is actually worse in any event where you don't kill your opponent within the first second.

I'm confused. You show a nice table with DPS values over time which shows the assault rifle is a more consistent form of DPS vs an ever-changing gun that depends on several factors to achieve a maximum DPS but as a big possibility of having less DPS.

Then you say the ScR outclasses the AR and want it toned down. Que? All your numbers show the ScR achieves less DPS save for the first 2 seconds without overheating and once in a 10sec battle with specific actions taking place.

Looking at your DPS table, the ScR falls behind on the AR.

Wit a RoF of 368 RPM you will kill the scrambler rifle off. Don't be stupid please.

Recently the Tac AR received a RoF buff that made it just about use-able again. The Scrambler should certainly not lose too much RoF if much at all.

As per usual.....not a force for reasonable balancing on these here forums...no..... crazy nerf threads as per usual. No wonder this game is going downhill fast.

Wait what?
Outlast them?
You've just shown the SCR is much worse at marathoning damage.


368 RPM is also batshit insane. That'll utterly kill the weapon.

Except no reload

Seriously? The weapon has been around for the longest time. Why are people, now, starting to talk about rebalancing the weapon? Nothing has changed other then suit adjustments to make The assault class more viable then previous builds.

Just because of the damage mod buff. lol It kills a little but faster (noticeably, but meh).

Would you care to explain your reasoning?
It will fire 1 round slower per second for most people, unless of course your shooting at nearly 9 rounds a second as being proposed by some people, or would you like me to actually start calculating the maximum DPS's?

Because you don't max out the fire rate of 368 RPM unless you tap at -exactly- the right interval.

Got, say, 80 milliseconds between shots? Tap once, then tap 70ms later and the second tap won't go through because you've tried to fire it too early. Then if your tap rate is consistently at that speed you'll miss loads of shots.

Your paper statistics of hitting the perfect fire rate just doesn't happen. It doesn't even happen with a lot of modded controllers because it has to be so precisely on time. You lose DPS to it. That's an inevitability. You can wave paper statistics all you like, but it will never happen in the actual game.

The weapon will lose an absolute bucketload of DPS even past your suggested paper number. It would instantly kill off the weapon's usage.

Wouldn't that increase the time until overheat as well?.

If so, it actually sounds pretty nice.

As we all know the Scrambler Rifle is currently get quite a bit of stick. Some of it fair some of it not, most of it biased. With that in mind I'm hoping to ignore all of that and show just the pure maths.

From talking to other players and through personal experience, 7 shots a second is a reasonable ROF for the scrambler rifle, excluding turbos and FOTM followers. The average human click speed is 6 per second so this isn't unlikely.

Let's Start by looking at the stats on a scrambler rifle.
Now at 7 shots a second the DPS (excluding charge) is 539
According to most people the ScR overheats within 14 shots at profciency 0, this is also included my own personal experience.
This gives 2 seconds BEFORE overheat and 5 second seize duration. (However firing 13 shots means you cooldown within 2 seconds)

If we include the charge shot which does 2.5 times damage and overheats with only 7 shots on average. We see a DPS of 659
but only 1 second before overheat. And then of course the 5 second seizure.

Now let's look at the Assault Rifle (The short range high DPS weapon)
At the fully automatic ROF of 800 RPM (13 shots a second) the DPS equates to 453
With this ROF you get a 6 second magazine before reload is required.

So now let's stack the 2 together I will put the Assault on the left and the scrambler on the right.
DPS vs Shields: 498 vs 646
DPS vs Armour: 407 vs 431

DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming no Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 1,078
DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming Charge, no Seizure) 906 vs 659
DPS over 2 seconds (Assuming Charge and Seizure) 906 vs 659

DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Charge, Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,078
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming No Charge, No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,617
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Charge, Seizure) 2,265 vs 659
DPS over 5 seconds (Assuming Charge, No Seizure) 2,265 vs 1,318

DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Charge, Seizure) 3,171 vs 2,176
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming No Charge, No Seizure) 3,171 vs 3,234
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Charge, Seizure) 3,171 vs 1,318
DPS over 10 seconds (Assuming Charge, No Seizure) 3,171 vs 1,977

As you can see the user of the scrambler rifle can choose to either Alpha damage them to death in less than 2 seconds, or they can outlast them in a marathon of combat that only the scrambler rifle can maintain. Strangely the Charge shot is actually worse in any event where you don't kill your opponent within the first second.

Wether you like it or not the scrambler rifle needs tweaking and conaidering it's possible to achieve an extra 4 shots a secomd at the moment it most DEFINITELY needs a more reasonable ROF cap.

Personally I suggest a simple nerf to the ROF, it currently stands at 705 RPM approximately 11 a second, this gives too much room for abuse. As you can see at 7 a second the scrambler rifle already outclasses the AR.

I would personally prefer around 368 RPM which is JUST over 6 shots a second. Which comes in at 467 DPS, which is only 15 more than the AR so as to give some leeway for the overheat mechanic. This shouldn't really effect the feel of the weapon for most people.

Does this seem reasonable?

Well, the SR really doesn't need a ROF nerf, its a skill weapon, and the CQC dispersion is already really high. If it should have a ROF nerf, make it 650. But, I still want to know why RR have yet to get nerf.

It's got lower dispersion than the AR.
It's no more skilled than any other rifle.

As for the RR I'm working on that too, but public opinion is against the ScR right now amd as a wise man once say
All Rivers lead to ocean, don't fight upstream just for shorter river

I would rather the RR, CR, Projectile Damage profile all be nerfed first
I would rathe the Sidearms, Sniper Rifles, LAV's, SP Sinks all be buffed first.

But the ScR CERTAINLY needs some regulation (even if just a little) I'm not gonna fight against that opinion, because I believe in it.

To use a ScR, you either kill fast or be killed.
The biggest drawback of the ScR now is that if you engage two enemies, you're most likely going to overheat which is almost a guaranteed death.

The ScR may have a high dps but if you miss a few of those you just put yourself at a disadvantage in the fight. Accuracy while using the ScR is a big factor unlike AR whereas even if you miss a few, you keep shooting.

The ScR is deadly towards the enemy and potentially deadly towards yourself. I have seen proto scouts running proto Viziams and I have beat them with militia AR's because the overheat.

No RoF nerf needed, move along folks.

High DPS is the only thing that is good about ScR. Everything else is a drawback. Armor tanked with 900+ armor Heavies- unkillable without an overheat even with proto Amarr Assault. You ca't even engage tow enemies without risking an overheat.

Overheat is the Balance. I don't know about you but ScR overheats like a Bch without and Amarr Assault. IF you want to lower the RoF below 400, you better remove the overheat and buff damage to 100 per shot.

Fun Fact: The TAR right now has a DPS of 800. I don't see you QQing about the TAR.

I am not a fan of dispersion as lasers are lasers. Its just the same to me as having dispersion on the laser rifle itself.

So shooting at 11 shots per second (which by the way slows the heat build up) and achieving over 700 dps is perfectly fine?
Or would you rather I nerf the damage until at 11 shots a second it still comes in at under the AR? (Which by the way would be a wopping 40% damage nerf)

Once again unless you are abusing the weapons ROF, you'll barely notice the difference.

Seriously? The weapon has been around for the longest time. Why are people, now, starting to talk about rebalancing the weapon? Nothing has changed other then suit adjustments to make The assault class more viable then previous builds.

High DPS is the only thing that is good about ScR. Everything else is a drawback. Armor tanked with 900+ armor Heavies- unkillable without an overheat even with proto Amarr Assault. You ca't even engage tow enemies without risking an overheat.

Overheat is the Balance. I don't know about you but ScR overheats like a Bch without and Amarr Assault. IF you want to lower the RoF below 400, you better remove the overheat and buff damage to 100 per shot.

Fun Fact: The TAR right now has a DPS of 800. I don't see you QQing about the TAR.