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Foo Fighting
THE HANDS OF DEATH
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:30:00 -
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Temias Mercurial wrote:Jathniel wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Can I collect a bit of feedback here:
For each person: - Do you like the new scope or not? - Are you using a DS3 or a KB&M? - I hate the new scope. I want a crosshair, or bring the dot back. Getting a headshot on a moving target is guesswork without a precise frame of reference other than "in the middle of the circle". - I snipe with the KB/M. I use the DS3 for everything else, because sensitivity and hit detection has gone to the dogs for KB/M in mid-close range combat. You can jump and wiggle around hip-firing a CR and the rounds guide themselves to the target because aim assist is so damn strong for the DS3. Good luck fighting mechanics like that with a KB/M. With a circle that small, the center shouldn't be difficult to find... and it isn't. It's hardly guess work...
It is exactly guesswork? (the dot was not guesswork). Simples |
Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:08:00 -
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Temias Mercurial wrote:Jathniel wrote:[quote=Soraya Xel]Can I collect a bit of feedback here:
With a circle that small, the center shouldn't be difficult to find... and it isn't. It's hardly guess work...
oh for the love of god.
if you can not prove beyond a doubt that something is fact then it is only theory,
theory is based upon estimation. estimation = using experience and education to form an expectation for outcome. Estimation is not an accurate or acceptable as proof of anything.
e.g.1 hold up your finger and thumb, open the gap to 5mm. now try to measure that gap. it will almost certainly not be exactly 5mm because until you use a measure you cannot be precise. (extension if you get lucky do it a second and third time.)
e.g 2 set up an alarm to ring in precisely 2 mins and another in exactly 3.5 mins, walk away from the alarm and count those exact times. again it is extremely unlikely that you will get to the same numbers at the same time as your alarm, even though you know the approximate length of 1 second and that for sixty of those you get a miniute. (n.b. even in a room with a tick you will struggle but for effectiveness be in a room without any clocks)
e.g 3 on building sites when measuring the height of multiple fixtures that all have the same height a measure stick/template is the most common tool even though most tradesmen carry measuring tapes because of the many variable that can affect the reading of the tape.
If i have to use judgement to find the exact point of anything then it is at best an estimation, unless done with a measure it can not be accurate. an acceptable measure here where multiple examples are expected to line up in the same place on the same screen would be a template. for a something to be a template it needs to be in exactly the same place every time.
the old dot which showed us the exact center of the scope was a measured point the new scope does not show the center of the scope and requires an act of judgment to find it, it is not a measured point.
therefore the new scope reticule is an estimation and is not an accurate tool. |
Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION
166
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:52:00 -
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Snake Sellors wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:Jathniel wrote:[quote=Soraya Xel]Can I collect a bit of feedback here:
With a circle that small, the center shouldn't be difficult to find... and it isn't. It's hardly guess work... oh for the love of god. if you can not prove beyond a doubt that something is fact then it is only theory, theory is based upon estimation. estimation = using experience and education to form an expectation for outcome. Estimation is not an accurate or acceptable as proof of anything. e.g.1 hold up your finger and thumb, open the gap to 5mm. now try to measure that gap. it will almost certainly not be exactly 5mm because until you use a measure you cannot be precise. (extension if you get lucky do it a second and third time.) e.g 2 set up an alarm to ring in precisely 2 mins and another in exactly 3.5 mins, walk away from the alarm and count those exact times. again it is extremely unlikely that you will get to the same numbers at the same time as your alarm, even though you know the approximate length of 1 second and that for sixty of those you get a miniute. (n.b. even in a room with a tick you will struggle but for effectiveness be in a room without any clocks) e.g 3 on building sites when measuring the height of multiple fixtures that all have the same height a measure stick/template is the most common tool even though most tradesmen carry measuring tapes because of the many variable that can affect the reading of the tape. If i have to use judgement to find the exact point of anything then it is at best an estimation, unless done with a measure it can not be accurate. an acceptable measure here where multiple examples are expected to line up in the same place on the same screen would be a template. for a something to be a template it needs to be in exactly the same place every time. the old dot which showed us the exact center of the scope was a measured point the new scope does not show the center of the scope and requires an act of judgment to find it, it is not a measured point. therefore the new scope reticule is an estimation and is not an accurate tool.
That's an odd rant, but it's called a f*cking opinion. If you have to go through all that in you're head then you obviously have sh*tty eyesight. What you're referring to is an opinion, neither theory or estimation. It's not that f*cking hard to find the center of a circle that is an approximate 1/8th of an inch in diameter.
I don't know about you, but I have plenty of experience building structures and measuring objects of varying length to use as parts, and can generally eyeball the center fairly well and with ease, and that's with sh*t that is 10 feet long. It doesn't require any amount of calculation or strenuous thinking. To me you sound like an immature and whiny little brat who possesses a fraction of the intelligence of a rat that is somehow capable of using a keyboard and human speech.
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
383
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:04:00 -
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Mike De Luca wrote:And where would we shoot from at 300m? A lot of maps don't support sniping to begin with, and the ones that do have VERY few spots within 300m of where potential targets would be....that aren't completely obvious anyway, a few you could force to work for a short period of time, but then the main area of engagement for the fight moves n you're now spending half the remainder of the match trying to find a new perch.
Only about 60-70% are in the redline in my matches, and they're mostly starter fits running from a stomp...so I'm ok with them, typically i switch out to a lower grade weapon n give em a body shot so they learn they're in a bad spot, without really ruining their enjoyment of the game, the idiots with a thales/cal sent though....they die, or are kept busy running from a real sniper while I lmao at them.
Also....ds3 and dislike the new reticule beyond 200-300m.
Pick up a scout and run with sniper. 300m and more isnt egnouth for you?
You shouldnt sit whole match in one spot. Maybe you dont, i dont know that.
But what i said, running around in scout suit with damps/cloak is good for sniper. Points out of town are good example of this.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Symbioticforks
Pure Evil.
654
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:31:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Mike De Luca wrote:And where would we shoot from at 300m? A lot of maps don't support sniping to begin with, and the ones that do have VERY few spots within 300m of where potential targets would be....that aren't completely obvious anyway, a few you could force to work for a short period of time, but then the main area of engagement for the fight moves n you're now spending half the remainder of the match trying to find a new perch.
Only about 60-70% are in the redline in my matches, and they're mostly starter fits running from a stomp...so I'm ok with them, typically i switch out to a lower grade weapon n give em a body shot so they learn they're in a bad spot, without really ruining their enjoyment of the game, the idiots with a thales/cal sent though....they die, or are kept busy running from a real sniper while I lmao at them.
Also....ds3 and dislike the new reticule beyond 200-300m. Pick up a scout and run with sniper. 300m and more isnt egnouth for you? You shouldnt sit whole match in one spot. Maybe you dont, i dont know that. But what i said, running around in scout suit with damps/cloak is good for sniper. Points out of town are good example of this.
Sorry man. I disagree.
Snipers are all about alpha damage.
Constantly moving will..
Lower your kills by the end of a match (you're not focusing on killing if you're running around) Increase your chance of being spotted (in which case your primary is a sniper rifle, good luck CQC)
Constantly moving is a way out of having to deal with problems when they come your way. When I spawn in as a Commando for sniping, I make a choice. Will I run a swarm launcher, or a combat/rail rifle in my offhand. It depends how I think the enemy team will choose to counter me.
Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
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PROPHET HELLSCREAM
UNSVER UNITED
0
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Posted - 2014.08.19 10:05:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Can I collect a bit of feedback here:
For each person: - Do you like the new scope or not? - Are you using a DS3 or a KB&M?
Soraya Xel, i`m a sniper and:
- I`m fine with the new scope; - with a DS3;
Great videos Symbioticforks!
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Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
383
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Posted - 2014.08.19 10:25:00 -
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And i disagree with snipers sitting in once spot, only farming kills.
If you move, you can help your squad/team better when they engage with enemys.
When you move 350meters away and with a cloak, nobody will ever see you .
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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PROPHET HELLSCREAM
UNSVER UNITED
0
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Posted - 2014.08.19 10:32:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:And i disagree with snipers sitting in once spot, only farming kills.
but that means that he is doing a good job... i hate the cloaked units i think they`re the ones that can do farming kils |
Symbioticforks
Pure Evil.
655
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Posted - 2014.08.19 10:36:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:And i disagree with snipers sitting in once spot, only farming kills.
If you move, you can help your squad/team better when they engage with enemys.
When you move 350meters away and with a cloak, nobody will ever see you .
I will see you.
I will see you first and kill you with a headshot.
or
You will see me first, make an attempt on my life and be forced spending the entire match trying to relocate out of my line of sight.
Commando > Scout
for the current meta.
Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
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Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
383
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:02:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:Mejt0 wrote:And i disagree with snipers sitting in once spot, only farming kills.
If you move, you can help your squad/team better when they engage with enemys.
When you move 350meters away and with a cloak, nobody will ever see you . I will see you. I will see you first and kill you with a headshot. or You will see me first, make an attempt on my life and be forced spending the entire match trying to relocate out of my line of sight. Commando > Scout for the current meta.
Scout > everything but ADS. Because of stealth.
If you would see me/other then you would need to be close to all the action near objectie.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
388
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:04:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:Mejt0 wrote:And i disagree with snipers sitting in once spot, only farming kills.
If you move, you can help your squad/team better when they engage with enemys.
When you move 350meters away and with a cloak, nobody will ever see you . I will see you. I will see you first and kill you with a headshot. or You will see me first, make an attempt on my life and be forced spending the entire match trying to relocate out of my line of sight. Commando > Scout for the current meta.
Scout > everything but ADS. Because of stealth.
If you would see me/other then you would need to be close to all the action near objectie.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Mike De Luca
STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME
257
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:13:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Mike De Luca wrote:And where would we shoot from at 300m? A lot of maps don't support sniping to begin with, and the ones that do have VERY few spots within 300m of where potential targets would be....that aren't completely obvious anyway, a few you could force to work for a short period of time, but then the main area of engagement for the fight moves n you're now spending half the remainder of the match trying to find a new perch.
Only about 60-70% are in the redline in my matches, and they're mostly starter fits running from a stomp...so I'm ok with them, typically i switch out to a lower grade weapon n give em a body shot so they learn they're in a bad spot, without really ruining their enjoyment of the game, the idiots with a thales/cal sent though....they die, or are kept busy running from a real sniper while I lmao at them.
Also....ds3 and dislike the new reticule beyond 200-300m. Pick up a scout and run with sniper. 300m and more isnt egnouth for you? You shouldnt sit whole match in one spot. Maybe you dont, i dont know that. But what i said, running around in scout suit with damps/cloak is good for sniper. Points out of town are good example of this. Actually I have multiple different fittings using different suits, including pure mobility, dampening, damage, tanking and several mixes in between.
My point is a sniper is at it's best when it has a good overwatch position that has the best possible view of the battlefield, so they don't have to waste time constantly moving from one point to the next when they can just be doing their job(which is not just killing). 300m range kills off a lot of them since most that come to mind are within a 300-400m range.
what i think of when charging fg
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Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
388
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:49:00 -
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My point is that there shouldnt be places where sniper is untouchable. Places where you cant counter snipe unless you go at his sight line (usually near point).
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance
334
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:26:00 -
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Temias Mercurial wrote:Snake Sellors wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:[quote=Jathniel][quote=Soraya Xel]Can I collect a bit of feedback here:
therefore the new scope reticule is an estimation and is not an accurate tool. That's an odd rant, but it's called a f*cking opinion. If you have to go through all that in you're head then you obviously have sh*tty eyesight. What you're referring to is an opinion, neither theory or estimation. It's not that f*cking hard to find the center of a circle that is an approximate 1/8th of an inch in diameter. I don't know about you, but I have plenty of experience building structures and measuring objects of varying length to use as parts, and can generally eyeball the center fairly well and with ease, and that's with sh*t that is 10 feet long. It doesn't require any amount of calculation or strenuous thinking. To me you sound like an immature and whiny little brat who possesses a fraction of the intelligence of a rat that is somehow capable of using a keyboard and human speech.
And to me sir, you sound like a halfwit.
your argument here then is that the sniper reticule must be accurate because it is generally easy to find the Approximate center.
very well done. your argument proves my point.
as you are seemingly incapable of understanding the difference between theory and opinion. or the meaning of the word accuracy. (i would advise you to buy a dictionary and a thesaurus, but i doubt you would understand either.)
I am hardly shocked that you failed to understand the basic principle i was attempting to explain but i have no intention of dumbing it down any further for you, if i wanted to educate your type i would of become a nursery teacher.
swear and rant all you like,but as far as i am concerned you have just lost all credibility. due to your lack of general intelligence, i will not waste any more of my time on trying to communicate with you.
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Grease Spillett
research lab
437
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:27:00 -
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I like it SO MUCH! It has helped me a great deal. I like to see my target die when I shoot them.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Cass Caul
775
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:33:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:That specialisation is also compounded by the previeling view that a M&KB is a requirement to be a good sniper in this game.
If that truly is the case, then for me that is an uninnecessary and unwarranted barrier to throw up in front of PS3 users that have never had a problem being a sniper in other FPS games.
OMFGLOL.
casual/pub match snipers use KB/M
CB/PC Snipers used DS3.
This is seriously facepalm worthy. First you think the Sniper Rifle can be influenced by Aim Assist, then you hold the idea that KB/M is better.
I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:23:00 -
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@Snake Sellors
There's no winning with the likes of you anyway... I'm afraid you haven't the slightest inkling as to what 'approximate' means, nor will you ever listen when you inflict different roles and opinions on others. I can't imagine you can get along well with people anyway.
For me, the center is appallingly effortless and of ease to use. I'm also using a 40'' inch display, and I never have to go looking for it as it's right frigin' there...and you, who seems entirely incapable of using said sight, also seems to be bringing up an argument of zero relevance to this thread. Everything regarding this sight is entirely opinion based. There are those who can use it, and those who can not. Simple. It's a matter of preference and ability.
Some find this new sight impossible to use, while I find it impossible to comprehend how it's impossible to use. So if you don't mind, fly away with your colorful wings into your little land of the falsely privileged and drop bags of sh*t along the way for us monkeys who 'are seemingly unable to comprehend' what little words you use and we can throw them effortlessly into the ragging winds into your pitiful direction.
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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