DUST Search - Whats up with new sniper rifle crosshair whining?

HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:

Snake Sellors wrote:

Symbioticforks wrote:

Once in a great while, the entire enemy team is comprised of militia fit lemmings. It only takes a few of these guys perpetually spawning in and standing still to get that kind of score. What I'm doubting is if his score would have been anywhere close to that against an equally matched team with the new circle where it's required to hit constantly moving targets 2-4 times each.

I doubt this.

The new circle changes very little against stationary targets.

Hi Symbiotic,

i can answer this one. Big smile

I did get a good round, it was the map that looks like a launchpad, enemy team had the objective and were focused entirely on keeping it. although they weren't all militia fits there were quite alot of scouts and assaults with probably 3 or 4 heavies in total.

yes i was tagging them 2-3 times a piece (the heavies) and shooting through gaps in cover etc, but the other suits were mostly ohk due to headshots..

but if they hadn't been all together at the point, under pressure from the other blues for most of the round and if they had been sprinting through wider spaces then it wouldn't of been as good at all.

(we won on clone count in the end.)

also it's still hideously unbalanced at pc level.

Howdidhekillme,
it was a good round though wasn't it Big smile

between the two of us over 80 kills.. Pirate

Feedback:
no not a fan of the new scope, if it was smaller i think it would be fine. but as it is it's too inaccurate on moving targets, they can be in the circle and you can see the shot hit the wall behind them.

I use ds3 controller

It's those kind of rounds that make me think... I don't suck, and it's just well organized, squads of proto, that made learning and playing this game solo so hard. NPE is horrible. And skilled snipers willing to get close enuf to do max damage are scary as hell.

Snake I was impressed Big smile


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Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 290	Posted - 2014.08.15 21:21:00 - [1] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: It's not precision enough. The circle on the crosshair isn't precise. Either shrinking the circle or adding vertical and horizontal crosshair lines to help to precisely aim the center at something would help a lot. I really liked the dot. The circle actually clutters up my aiming when there are multiple targets and I'm trying to focus on just one in particular. Adding more lines and junk within the cross hair would make it worse I believe. I suggested it earlier as a possible solution.. (and this should be totally something we could do) Just add a duplicate version of all the current sniper rifles to the market, with the new circle. Sell both variants. This is a game about customization. A handful of people like the new circle. I feel much of what they like is just the aesthetics of it, and I want to discredit them. I don't know any dedicated snipers who prefer the change. However, this would make everyone happy. Which I'm not against. I just don't want this to take time away from real issues being addressed. I Don't believe they do symbiotic.. in fact i would say that the only people who prefer this sight are players who struggled to hit at all and now have a larger circle to hit center mass shots ( don't get me started) or players that are seeing an opportunity to nerf the snipers permanantly. (they see alot of snipers hate it and so start lots of threads saying how great it is, don't forget how underhanded our player base is mate, nor all those alts dotted around the place. Familiar with the judas goat at all?)
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 298	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:29:00 - [2] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: Once in a great while, the entire enemy team is comprised of militia fit lemmings. It only takes a few of these guys perpetually spawning in and standing still to get that kind of score. What I'm doubting is if his score would have been anywhere close to that against an equally matched team with the new circle where it's required to hit constantly moving targets 2-4 times each. I doubt this. The new circle changes very little against stationary targets. Hi Symbiotic, i can answer this one. I did get a good round, it was the map that looks like a launchpad, enemy team had the objective and were focused entirely on keeping it. although they weren't all militia fits there were quite alot of scouts and assaults with probably 3 or 4 heavies in total. yes i was tagging them 2-3 times a piece (the heavies) and shooting through gaps in cover etc, but the other suits were mostly ohk due to headshots.. but if they hadn't been all together at the point, under pressure from the other blues for most of the round and if they had been sprinting through wider spaces then it wouldn't of been as good at all. (we won on clone count in the end.) also it's still hideously unbalanced at pc level. Howdidhekillme, it was a good round though wasn't it between the two of us over 80 kills.. Feedback: no not a fan of the new scope, if it was smaller i think it would be fine. but as it is it's too inaccurate on moving targets, they can be in the circle and you can see the shot hit the wall behind them. I use ds3 controller
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 301	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:58:00 - [3] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Snake Sellors wrote: Symbioticforks wrote: Once in a great while, the entire enemy team is comprised of militia fit lemmings. It only takes a few of these guys perpetually spawning in and standing still to get that kind of score. What I'm doubting is if his score would have been anywhere close to that against an equally matched team with the new circle where it's required to hit constantly moving targets 2-4 times each. I doubt this. The new circle changes very little against stationary targets. Hi Symbiotic, i can answer this one. I did get a good round, it was the map that looks like a launchpad, enemy team had the objective and were focused entirely on keeping it. although they weren't all militia fits there were quite alot of scouts and assaults with probably 3 or 4 heavies in total. yes i was tagging them 2-3 times a piece (the heavies) and shooting through gaps in cover etc, but the other suits were mostly ohk due to headshots.. but if they hadn't been all together at the point, under pressure from the other blues for most of the round and if they had been sprinting through wider spaces then it wouldn't of been as good at all. (we won on clone count in the end.) also it's still hideously unbalanced at pc level. Howdidhekillme, it was a good round though wasn't it between the two of us over 80 kills.. Feedback: no not a fan of the new scope, if it was smaller i think it would be fine. but as it is it's too inaccurate on moving targets, they can be in the circle and you can see the shot hit the wall behind them. I use ds3 controller It's those kind of rounds that make me think... I don't suck, and it's just well organized, squads of proto, that made learning and playing this game solo so hard. NPE is horrible. And skilled snipers willing to get close enuf to do max damage are scary as hell. Snake I was impressed Thanks bud, good to hear, and a nice change to the mail I usually get
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 304	Posted - 2014.08.17 03:37:00 - [4] - Quote I use the ds3 and it's definitely more difficult to use now, as symbiotic says, you won't notice a difference on stationary targets. Even targets that aren't moving far . But on maps that are open where players can sprint, dodge around and Mario hop it's much more difficult. Also you can now have target in the ring with it being orange, and still miss. Due to small movements that they make which means they stay in your reticule but not in it's centre. This effect is exaggerated when you are trying to centre an imaginary dot on a tiny head. It also increases the time it takes to line up a headshot. Not sure if auto aim has any effect on sniping here, I haven't noticed any target pull though. Also I normally turn off aim assist in all sniping games, it usually interferes with leading targets. I've definitely been doing worse with the new ret not really affected my best round (52/0 with ideal situation) but it's dragging my lower end/average round way down, my worst being just 6 kills using a full nano hive to get that.( If nobody's had it yet, when you get the old hit detection problem with this scope, you don't realise for a while because you don't know if you just missed.) I hope that helps
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 322	Posted - 2014.08.18 12:35:00 - [5] - Quote Agreed, and I gotta say, I find it incredibly ironic that the dust community likes to say how snipers are unskilled and have no gun game, that we are all scrubs, whilst we are the only ones who actually bother to aim down sights in an fps. Because drilling through people with auto aim is so difficult.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 323	Posted - 2014.08.18 14:52:00 - [6] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Snake Sellors wrote: Agreed, and I gotta say, I find it incredibly ironic that the dust community likes to say how snipers are unskilled and have no gun game, that we are all scrubs, whilst we are the only ones who actually bother to aim down sights in an fps. Because drilling through people with auto aim is so difficult. Sniper Rifle isnt in gun game category. And with every gun you need to aim. Even if its simplier than with other. Snipers in this game are still used 99% in redline. They should rework thier dmg/range. Raward shooting from 300 meters more than from 500m. Damage drop should affect snipers in THIS game or redline should be fixed. Oh please... You don't need to aim on the ground you just roughly line up your hip fire ret and press fire, auto aim does the rest. Why 300m precisely? Why not 325 or 200 or 400, why don't we just go all the way and make them get ohk at 15 m and take away the sway, in fact give them a hip reticule to? That'll improve the situation. sure they should reward closer kills at around the same time that they reward shooting from ads instead of hip fire, in fact imo they should remove all hip fire rets. Snipers are not 99% in the red line at all. It's mouth breathers that don't understand sniping that sit in the red line, having a good sniper goes along way to solving the problem. The reason there aren't very many good snipers-sniper rifles being nerfed constantly over the last year due to sniper qq. I think tha if the skill tree for sniping was more expensive and required more skills and the rifles cost more isk, you wouldn't get very many of the above mentioned mouth breathers.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:08:00 - [7] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Jathniel wrote: [quote=Soraya Xel]Can I collect a bit of feedback here: With a circle that small, the center shouldn't be difficult to find... and it isn't. It's hardly guess work... oh for the love of god. if you can not prove beyond a doubt that something is fact then it is only theory, theory is based upon estimation. estimation = using experience and education to form an expectation for outcome. Estimation is not an accurate or acceptable as proof of anything. e.g.1 hold up your finger and thumb, open the gap to 5mm. now try to measure that gap. it will almost certainly not be exactly 5mm because until you use a measure you cannot be precise. (extension if you get lucky do it a second and third time.) e.g 2 set up an alarm to ring in precisely 2 mins and another in exactly 3.5 mins, walk away from the alarm and count those exact times. again it is extremely unlikely that you will get to the same numbers at the same time as your alarm, even though you know the approximate length of 1 second and that for sixty of those you get a miniute. (n.b. even in a room with a tick you will struggle but for effectiveness be in a room without any clocks) e.g 3 on building sites when measuring the height of multiple fixtures that all have the same height a measure stick/template is the most common tool even though most tradesmen carry measuring tapes because of the many variable that can affect the reading of the tape. If i have to use judgement to find the exact point of anything then it is at best an estimation, unless done with a measure it can not be accurate. an acceptable measure here where multiple examples are expected to line up in the same place on the same screen would be a template. for a something to be a template it needs to be in exactly the same place every time. the old dot which showed us the exact center of the scope was a measured point the new scope does not show the center of the scope and requires an act of judgment to find it, it is not a measured point. therefore the new scope reticule is an estimation and is not an accurate tool.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 334	Posted - 2014.08.19 17:26:00 - [8] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Snake Sellors wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: [quote=Jathniel][quote=Soraya Xel]Can I collect a bit of feedback here: therefore the new scope reticule is an estimation and is not an accurate tool. That's an odd rant, but it's called a fcking opinion. If you have to go through all that in you're head then you obviously have shtty eyesight. What you're referring to is an opinion, neither theory or estimation. It's not that fcking hard to find the center of a circle that is an approximate 1/8th of an inch in diameter. I don't know about you, but I have plenty of experience building structures and measuring objects of varying length to use as parts, and can generally eyeball the center fairly well and with ease, and that's with sht that is 10 feet long. It doesn't require any amount of calculation or strenuous thinking. To me you sound like an immature and whiny little brat who possesses a fraction of the intelligence of a rat that is somehow capable of using a keyboard and human speech. And to me sir, you sound like a halfwit. your argument here then is that the sniper reticule must be accurate because it is generally easy to find the Approximate center. very well done. your argument proves my point. as you are seemingly incapable of understanding the difference between theory and opinion. or the meaning of the word accuracy. (i would advise you to buy a dictionary and a thesaurus, but i doubt you would understand either.) I am hardly shocked that you failed to understand the basic principle i was attempting to explain but i have no intention of dumbing it down any further for you, if i wanted to educate your type i would of become a nursery teacher. swear and rant all you like,but as far as i am concerned you have just lost all credibility. due to your lack of general intelligence, i will not waste any more of my time on trying to communicate with you.