Can I collect a bit of feedback here:

For each person:
- Do you like the new scope or not?
- Are you using a DS3 or a KB&M?

As a DuelShock 3 user I'm finding the scope to be a lot more fun ie I can now do headshots!

Now the nature of complaints is that that those that have a grievance are a lot more vocal than those that are happy. So I'd ask for anyone who is happy with the new scope to speak up here.

I'd like to know if you're a DS user,if you're doing better or worse with the new scope and more importantly if you're using auto-aim still. I've tried the new scope with auto aim on and off and I'm actually better with it off.

Another factor that might be influencing the scope change is monitor/TV size. Even with a 37 inch TV I found the old dot too small to see without sitting so close to the screen that I'd burn my retinas out.

The point being is that that there are simply a lot more things to factor in than just the control system you're using.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPFGUF6HXBk

Just watch :P

Can I collect a bit of feedback here:

For each person:
- Do you like the new scope or not?
- Are you using a DS3 or a KB&M?

No. (It's stupidly inaccurate for moving targets / moving head shots / CS'ing headglitchers / cluttered)
DS3 (KB/M lowers reaction time for self defense)

You know he's not a sniper right? That's like asking me about changes to a scrambler rifle after 2 games of use..

I don't understand why you would give his view any consideration.. at all

I understand. It just seems his video / sniper related posts were made for self promotion and out of spite. Admitting having not been a sniper since beta included. This has led me to discredit his testimony on the subject. It's an outlier. Anyway, sorry. Take from it what you will.

I've heard that people speculate that.. mouse and keyboard are required to be a good sniper, but personally I don't know any dedicated snipers who run that setup. I can't possibly imagine myself doing any better with mouse and keyboard.. there probably is some advantage gained since we're talking about a joystick trying to achieve pin point accuracy. However, it's an awkward setup where any advantage I gain is lost when an enemy comes into close quarters combat. DS3 feels more natural, and getting the exact movement I want right when I want it is difficult when dealing with a mouse.This is likely due to using the DS3 almost exclusively since release.

(releasing both variants of the sniper rifle circle and dot, is something to consider if you feel enough people like the circle)

I'm sure it's easier.. but I don't find myself getting outclassed by any keyboard and mouse users.

M&KB is supported in Dust but as I understand it, the raw input from the mouse is nerfed or we'd have the situation where m&kb really did have a major advantage.

The part of the equation that interests me is why some like me, find the new scope much, much easier to use and others are struggling. I've squaded with a fair few random squads in Pub matches this week since Charlie and it's honestly 50/50 in opinion. This leads me to believe its more a case of personal preference and not a technical difference between the two scopes.

I'm edging towards both as variants in the market place for all SR myself.

M&KB is supported in Dust but as I understand it, the raw input from the mouse is nerfed or we'd have the situation where m&kb really did have a major advantage.

The part of the equation that interests me is why some like me, find the new scope much, much easier to use and others are struggling. I've squaded with a fair few random squads in Pub matches this week since Charlie and it's honestly 50/50 in opinion. This leads me to believe its more a case of personal preference and not a technical difference between the two scopes.

I'm edging towards both as variants in the market place for all SR myself.

what do i have to do to get a super charged sniper rifle, as in i charged it long enough to shoot all the ammo on the clip, so i can kill all those heavy's walking around like they own the place.

or just give a respec so i can put my skill points on my forge gun.

or sell me a forge gun x sniper rifle hybrid, i'll buy it all.

Target moves in your circle, shoot. And it lands.
If theres lag ,then nothing matter.

Its not a guessing. You can see when its center of c+¡rcle. Its rather easy as aiming with FG.

Cross hair turn red, so it takes longer than witb dot?
With dot target also have to run across dot.

Actually the very concept of a "circle" for a sniper scope is the equivalent of saying nova knives works best when dull. While this could be seen as CCP's attempts to address sniping here's the problem:
the history of snipe scopes assume an aiming reticle that is both precise and minimalized to reduce chances of a "sure kill". A sniper isn't a shotgun and rely on a "circular cross hair" as it's a radial damage based weapon. That's the essential essence of a sniper weapon and while you can say "a sniper with a circle is easiest when targeting" we're doing it in a counter intuitive fashion the way it's designed: there's no aim mechanism that makes it better or more precise but only an alert color of whether something will likely take damage or not.

I don't snipe overall but it's not like I enjoy bad game designs to force the matter on things they don't like.

Can I collect a bit of feedback here:

For each person:
- Do you like the new scope or not?
- Are you using a DS3 or a KB&M?

Agreed, and I gotta say, I find it incredibly ironic that the dust community likes to say how snipers are unskilled and have no gun game, that we are all scrubs, whilst we are the only ones who actually bother to aim down sights in an fps.

Because drilling through people with auto aim is so difficult.

Sniper Rifle isnt in gun game category.
And with every gun you need to aim. Even if its simplier than with other.

Snipers in this game are still used 99% in redline.

They should rework thier dmg/range.
Raward shooting from 300 meters more than from 500m. Damage drop should affect snipers in THIS game or redline should be fixed.

- I hate the new scope. I want a crosshair, or bring the dot back. Getting a headshot on a moving target is guesswork without a precise frame of reference other than "in the middle of the circle".

- I snipe with the KB/M. I use the DS3 for everything else, because sensitivity and hit detection has gone to the dogs for KB/M in mid-close range combat. You can jump and wiggle around hip-firing a CR and the rounds guide themselves to the target because aim assist is so damn strong for the DS3. Good luck fighting mechanics like that with a KB/M.