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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1058	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:47:00 - [1] - Quote Me personally , I have killed off most of my Caldari Sentinel fits and I have started using exclusively Gal Sentinels . Again something Caldari being useless ... Charlie has killed the Caldari Sentinel for me . I could go on about other things that I have noticed but why ..??.. it's not worth it and if I'm not feeling better by the weekend then I have to say , that I will take a break until Delta and hopefully right after Delta those who choose to can have a SP refund . I would love to get out of the Caldari heavy ... love the Commando ( my fav suit because I snipe ) but the basic heavies and sentinels are useless for me now . What have any of you noticed about life after Charlie , that has totally thrown your game off or just things that any of you would change if possible ? You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1261	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:47:00 - [2] - Quote I fear when Scotty will lose his ****... DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Palaa Kaikki Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:50:00 - [3] - Quote He's been through a lot. I mean, he had to bear doing a crappy sitcom about a whiny jackass, his morbidly obese/mentally challenged son, whilst he was just told to be himself. I mean, can you imagine how that makes someone feel? Then there's the stereotype of him being all about drugs.... Oh....wait....wrong Charlie.
TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn Going for the gold 66	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:53:00 - [4] - Quote Just killed a tank with standard Nova knives... Shotgunner for life. EDIT: Scratch that, I love my lasers.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1059	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:03:00 - [5] - Quote TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: Just killed a tank with standard Nova knives... You should have recorded that one . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 202	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:05:00 - [6] - Quote TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: Just killed a tank with standard Nova knives... How many hits did it take and what level of a tank was it?
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2354	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:23:00 - [7] - Quote 7 months of shield and armor imbalances in suits.. And it still gets worse. The simple fact that they made it 50x worse in one patch makes all their hard work moot. Pretty much this explains Hotfix Charlie
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1059	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:25:00 - [8] - Quote Bethhy wrote: 7 months of shield and armor imbalances in suits.. And it still gets worse. The simple fact that they made it 50x worse in one patch makes all their hard work moot. Pretty much this explains Hotfix Charlie Hopefully by the end of the alphabet it will be alright for those of you who are planning on playing legion . I can agree with your statement . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn Going for the gold 67	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:28:00 - [9] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: Just killed a tank with standard Nova knives... How many hits did it take and what level of a tank was it? It was being shot at by a rail tank and i swiped it when it was at about 100 health lol. Shotgunner for life. EDIT: Scratch that, I love my lasers.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2456	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:34:00 - [10] - Quote It could be worse. We could be getting Hotfix Scotty. Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*

Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 202	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:24:00 - [11] - Quote TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: Just killed a tank with standard Nova knives... How many hits did it take and what level of a tank was it? It was being shot at by a rail tank and i swiped it when it was at about 100 health lol. I would bet good money that that rail tanker was pissed when he saw that nova knives 'stole' his kill. LOL.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3954	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:29:00 - [12] - Quote Bethhy wrote: 7 months of shield and armor imbalances in suits.. And it still gets worse. The simple fact that they made it 50x worse in one patch makes all their hard work moot. Pretty much this explains Hotfix Charlie Chemistry Pre-Ap (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3746	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:34:00 - [13] - Quote My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit My Cal sentinal Is okay for FG but shields have been changed again My Gal sentinal now has the old Amarr slot layout which i didnt want but now i have to skill up the Amarr sentinal because it has 4low slots My Cal scout has changed again so once again like the Amarr logi i have skilled into something i didnt want No dropsuit SP refund because 'muh choices have consequences untill CCP change everything on a whim because they have no long term plan apart from pulling the plug on this shoddy game which still leaves you with suits you skilled into for x reason never being used again because CCP changed it to z skill' My ADS isnt cheaper and i dont get 500shield for the python while swarms get several buffs ADS still isnt in the FW store, let alone half the gear No racial parity with vehicles either and it wont happen because dead game CCP dont have a clue, the sooner they pull the plug the better everyone will be
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 181	Posted - 2014.08.13 15:36:00 - [14] - Quote Hot fix charlie is a way for them to take a dump on our heads, they wanna see how much s**t they can shovel onto us before we leave and this is a big load! :DDD G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Gallente Heavy
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 98	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:01:00 - [15] - Quote Charlie was good liking it so far... but then i suck at dust anyway. Also kids remember further advice from Charlie and always tell your mum before you go off somewhere. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 5355	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:05:00 - [16] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2635	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:06:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati and Logibro seem to be trying to get each races' bonuses and slot layouts more inline with their Eve counterparts. I like that a lot. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 443	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:19:00 - [18] - Quote charlie killed shield tanking full stop. [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1274	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:23:00 - [19] - Quote overall I'm liking it. Still confused by the decision to up damage mods power given the reasons to reduce them in the first place. I really didn't like the old days. Then again if they are stacking damage mods it means less shields for my CR to chew through, so I guess swings and roundabouts "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
Zindorak 1.U.P 610	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:28:00 - [20] - Quote I love my new shiny NKs Pokemon master

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1062	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:28:00 - [21] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: charlie killed shield tanking full stop. Indeed . Only those who play that style could relate though so that means that many won't be able to understand . I do because I play that game and I do agree . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1062	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:31:00 - [22] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: overall I'm liking it. Still confused by the decision to up damage mods power given the reasons to reduce them in the first place. I really didn't like the old days. Then again if they are stacking damage mods it means less shields for my CR to chew through, so I guess swings and roundabouts That also makes those who contest you with SCR's , RR 's and CR's much more stronger as well so they might have the upper hand . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11374	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:34:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2033	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:37:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. Who's your brother...? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3748	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:37:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. Wow its still there Im amazed since you were talking about removing it anyways, is that still on the table? Also SP dropsuit refund since you screwed up my Gal sent/Cal scout by changing it all again
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11374	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:37:00 - [26] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. Who's your brother...? Zepod. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2991	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:40:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. Who's your brother...? Zepod. I see how it is... EDIT: I want to play :/ you guys are lucky.
DEMONWOLF4891 Bahdo faal dovah 0	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:49:00 - [28] - Quote Gallente = armor / Caldari = shield / Amarr = stamina / Minmatar = moveing speed!!!! Y give the races a base type if ur goin 2 make one suit have it all. That's the only problem I have with the update and it should to be fixed. Its not right to the ppl that skilled into one race do 2 the base type
Rhydra L Wong Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 23	Posted - 2014.08.13 17:21:00 - [29] - Quote I like most of the changes. No complaints really. One weird thing, the "Mauler A-1" has two sidearms? My biggest complaint is that one map that always lags ... we all know the one I'm talking about ... it's still laggy.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 111	Posted - 2014.08.13 17:44:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? the shock assault must have got it or the mauler sentinel cause in my fittings these two now have an extra slot Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee

Boot Booter Pure Evil. 848	Posted - 2014.08.13 17:49:00 - [31] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. Wow its still there Im amazed since you were talking about removing it anyways, is that still on the table? Also SP dropsuit refund since you screwed up my Gal sent/Cal scout by changing it all again Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3758	Posted - 2014.08.13 18:12:00 - [32] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP
Vell0cet Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2116	Posted - 2014.08.13 18:47:00 - [33] - Quote I haven't played any matches yet, but I had a bit of fun refitting some suits. I'm really liking how the Assault suits are much more versatile. Sentinel = slow badass, Commando = AV/solid DPS & tank, Logi = support, Scout = stealth/assasin/saboteur, and Assault = versatile combat platform. It's a good system--all suits have a role. The installation changes are great. Looking forward to testing the new sniper scope (is variable scope zoom something that can be hotfixed, or does it require a patch?). I'm thinking shields could do with another buff (maybe another +10 for all shield extender variants). Best PvE idea ever!
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 740	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:16:00 - [34] - Quote i dont like that it didnt come with NEW MAPS!!!!!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4032	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:21:00 - [35] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Me personally , I have killed off most of my Caldari Sentinel fits and I have started using exclusively Gal Sentinels . Again something Caldari being useless ... Charlie has killed the Caldari Sentinel for me . I could go on about other things that I have noticed but why ..??.. it's not worth it and if I'm not feeling better by the weekend then I have to say , that I will take a break until Delta and hopefully right after Delta those who choose to can have a SP refund . I would love to get out of the Caldari heavy ... love the Commando ( my fav suit because I snipe ) but the basic heavies and sentinels are useless for me now . What have any of you noticed about life after Charlie , that has totally thrown your game off or just things that any of you would change if possible ? The Advanced and Proto Caldari Sentinel should still be fine. It is only the Standard tier that is useless. Of course this means you canGÇÖt grind ISK in a Caldari Sentinel suit. Having neither a low slot nor an equipment slot makes a suit virtually useless, as it has no way to self repair armor. I will be pushing for a passive armor repair for the Caldari Sentinel in Delta to compensate for the slot deficit. I expect the dramatic drop in the use of the Standard Caldari Sentinel suits which will start today will support my case. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
gustavo acosta Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 171	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:27:00 - [36] - Quote My gallente heavy still has all the lows it had yesterday... Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1065	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:31:00 - [37] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The Advanced and Proto Caldari Sentinel should still be fine. It is only the Standard tier that is useless. Of course this means you canGÇÖt grind ISK in a Caldari Sentinel suit. Having neither a low slot nor an equipment slot makes a suit virtually useless, as it has no way to self repair armor. I will be pushing for a passive armor repair for the Caldari Sentinel in Delta to compensate for the slot deficit. I expect the dramatic drop in the use of the Standard Caldari Sentinel suits which will start today will support my case. Just don't disappoint , now do you ? I'm glad that you see what others including myself .. are talking about . I will post on your thread with any info that I can to help ... I just can't see myself using the Cal Sent for anything other than a forge now so that's a disappointment but like I said , I did skill in Gal Sent so that should not be too much of a problem . Make that thread and those who use or had used now , the Cal Sent .. will come and support you I'm sure . I'm for all things Caldari but I just can see myself wasting the SP's just to try something out , if it has no battlefield importance to me I just won't attempt to use it . I for one would just like the Caldari roles to have better bonuses , besides the scouts which are the best performers in the game as far as Caldari roles are concerned ... to me . They should have switched the plasma resistance bonus with projectile but I don't see too many that would back that change but I believe that would help the Cal Sent to be a force on the battlefield and keep them in line with the rest of the Sent's and not the worst and to me that's where they stand right now . Thanks for your input Fox ... you are always welcome . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1065	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:47:00 - [38] - Quote [quote=CCP Rattati] How are the new sights on sniper rifles suppose to work ? Are we suppose to line up the target inside the dot or what ? I do that and still can't register a hit and when I hit someone , I don't know how or what to do to repeat that process . It's kind of confusing . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 513	Posted - 2014.08.13 20:52:00 - [39] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: charlie killed shield tanking full stop. explain or youre a liar
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 407	Posted - 2014.08.13 21:09:00 - [40] - Quote DEMONWOLF4891 wrote: Gallente = armor / Caldari = shield / Amarr = stamina / Minmatar = moveing speed!!!! Y give the races a base type if ur goin 2 make one suit have it all. That's the only problem I have with the update and it should to be fixed. Its not right to the ppl that skilled into one race do 2 the base type. O n I think all the suits should have 2 weapons not just 1 You obviously don't know gallente or amarr......amarr=armor / gallente= armor repair....think I'm wrong? Play eve Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"

PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 198	Posted - 2014.08.13 21:51:00 - [41] - Quote The assault buff DID make the assault more survivable, BUT that only slows the scout down by a few seconds before he kills you. 6 months ago with 1.8 ( wow thats a long time since them ) scouts became OP. Idk how but they did along with heavies, and mediums sucked, not because they were UP but because the changes that came with 1.8 somehow killed the role of assaults. So this new assault buff helps when fighting logis, assaults and heavies but doesn't fix the problem of basic scouts murdering Proto assaults with maxed skills. So charlie is good but the assault buff wasn't the best. 44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7) Open Beta Vet 26mil sp R.I.P Dust 514
Michael Arck 5211	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:11:00 - [42] - Quote Havent checked it out yet. So are you guys telling me that the fears were warranted? That Caldari/CalSen/shield tanking is once again penalized? Thats disappointing that yet again certain players who choose to play roles within one race are penalized to compromise for the nile river of tears. I hope I'm wrong in this assesement. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
castba Merc-0107 559	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:13:00 - [43] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati and Logibro seem to be trying to get each races' bonuses and slot layouts more inline with their Eve counterparts. I like that a lot. This. I enjoyed it although my most used fit for the past year, Amarr sentinel with burst Hmg, seems to be more popular. It was great to see a wider variety of suits in field. Also, "nice" to see this community hasn't changed and seems unable to adapt to changes/their fit no longer being the best performing.
castba Merc-0107 559	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:17:00 - [44] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Havent checked it out yet. So are you guys telling me that the fears were warranted? That Caldari/CalSen/shield tanking is once again penalized? Thats disappointing that yet again certain players who choose to play roles within one race are penalized to compromise for the nile river of tears. I hope I'm wrong in this assesement. CalSent is still useful. Fitting is a bit harder - which was needed. Just watch out for the pro AmAss with viziam!
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11393	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:21:00 - [45] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Havent checked it out yet. So are you guys telling me that the fears were warranted? That Caldari/CalSen/shield tanking is once again penalized? Thats disappointing that yet again certain players who choose to play roles within one race are penalized to compromise for the nile river of tears. I hope I'm wrong in this assesement. Can't speak about the CalSent, but the CalAssault is stupidly good (not OP, but good). And when you slap a RR on it... DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Michael Arck 5211	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:21:00 - [46] - Quote castba wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Havent checked it out yet. So are you guys telling me that the fears were warranted? That Caldari/CalSen/shield tanking is once again penalized? Thats disappointing that yet again certain players who choose to play roles within one race are penalized to compromise for the nile river of tears. I hope I'm wrong in this assesement. CalSent is still useful. Fitting is a bit harder - which was needed. Just watch out for the pro AmAss with viziam! Ha Viziam has been giving me nightmares for years. At least that didnt change lol. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
castba Merc-0107 560	Posted - 2014.08.13 22:44:00 - [47] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Ha Viziam has been giving me nightmares for years. At least that didnt change lol. Ha! Your nightmares will be more vivid now. Had one shred my AmSent last night... All 1100 armour gone in about 5 steps. Was quite impressive really.
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative.. 188	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:27:00 - [48] - Quote I'm sad that my Amar sentinel, despite having 1 more low slot now has less armour than it did yesterday, my cal assault is still weak my cal scout now pointless - give the minnies our range bonus and remove the cal scout altogether, heck maybe remove all caldari stuff altogether - maybe they might have an easier job if there was one less race to 'balance' around.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 383	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:29:00 - [49] - Quote You can still shield tank although with the higher buffer with armor tanks it's become far more defined that the armor tanks walk about killin' things while the shield tanks have to dodge in and out of cover... but the more slots on suits and the more this becomes evident. At least my Caldari assault can fit the enhanced shield energizer that my Caldari sentinel can no longer fit. My biggest complaint is that if all suits can naturally regen shields why can't all suits naturally rep armor? Just give Gallente the most passive armor rep, but all suits should have at least 1 armor rep. It's pretty silly that a std caldari sentinel is now garbage being incapable of applying passive rep. It worked okay on the std commando since it's pretty much only good as a sniper so nano repping isn't so bad but the sentinel.... My theory on why shield tanking is generally garbage in comparison to armor is that clone counts are 1 to 1. Higher buffer is better at ensuring you will at least kill one guy while shields you may die first. Compound this with the ever increasing TTK and the possibility that shield tanking had of "ambushing" armor tanks has dropped. It is essentially the old scout QQ. If you can't kill the target fast enough you being more mobile and ambushing them doesn't matter.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 845	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:30:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? He's talking about not being able to fit it on... he's still got the sidearm slot... facepalm *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 383	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:32:00 - [51] - Quote bamboo x wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? He's talking about not being able to fit it on... he's still got the sidearm slot... facepalm No he already confirmed earlier in the thread that he hadn't actually checked the more recent notes or logged online to see that he does still have the sidearm.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1070	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:34:00 - [52] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: You can still shield tank although with the higher buffer with armor tanks it's become far more defined that the armor tanks walk about killin' things while the shield tanks have to dodge in and out of cover... but the more slots on suits and the more this becomes evident. At least my Caldari assault can fit the enhanced shield energizer that my Caldari sentinel can no longer fit. My biggest complaint is that if all suits can naturally regen shields why can't all suits naturally rep armor? Just give Gallente the most passive armor rep, but all suits should have at least 1 armor rep. It's pretty silly that a std caldari sentinel is now garbage being incapable of applying passive rep. It worked okay on the std commando since it's pretty much only good as a sniper so nano repping isn't so bad but the sentinel.... My theory on why shield tanking is generally garbage in comparison to armor is that clone counts are 1 to 1. Higher buffer is better at ensuring you will at least kill one guy while shields you may die first. Compound this with the ever increasing TTK and the possibility that shield tanking had of "ambushing" armor tanks has dropped. It is essentially the old scout QQ. If you can't kill the target fast enough you being more mobile and ambushing them doesn't matter. I just had to like what you said because it's true . I think you were being too diplomatic in your statement but it just shows that you choose to take the higher ground . I can't understand why most just don't see it , I just can't believe it's from lack of knowledge because most of these players have alts and play with different styles but when you speak about shield tanking ... most just don't get it ... they want to talk like they do and when someone has an opinion like yourself , or myself because I'm more incline to agree from experience ... they would be quick to say that we have it all wrong but most of these same people are armor tankers mostly . I totally agree with what is said about the Cal Sent and it's just sad about how changes can totally render one's work and SP investments moot . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1070	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:37:00 - [53] - Quote m621 zma wrote: I'm sad that my Amar sentinel, despite having 1 more low slot now has less armour than it did yesterday, my cal assault is still weak my cal scout now pointless - give the minnies our range bonus and remove the cal scout altogether, heck maybe remove all caldari stuff altogether - maybe they might have an easier job if there was one less race to 'balance' around. That's how I feel as well because they just can't seem to get it right . AMEN ... brother . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
jace silencerww Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:52:00 - [54] - Quote I hate it a lot. on paper the scouts look balanced but only on paper . still king of scouts is Gall, then a close second Amarr & Caldari and way behind them is Minnie. I have all 4 scouts proto and by far the weakest is Minnie they are the only scouts who have no ewar bonus and lacking pg. I love the nk damage and hack is nice but I would prefer something ewar over the hacking bonus.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 336	Posted - 2014.08.14 07:49:00 - [55] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: The assault buff DID make the assault more survivable, BUT that only slows the scout down by a few seconds before he kills you. 6 months ago with 1.8 ( wow thats a long time since them ) scouts became OP. Idk how but they did along with heavies, and mediums sucked, not because they were UP but because the changes that came with 1.8 somehow killed the role of assaults. So this new assault buff helps when fighting logis, assaults and heavies but doesn't fix the problem of basic scouts murdering Proto assaults with maxed skills. So charlie is good but the assault buff wasn't the best. My advanced scout got the drop on a CK:O and he still killed me with 181 armor left.I was dampened x3 with x2Complex Precision in highs so you would call me a truly light scout.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 3445	Posted - 2014.08.14 08:37:00 - [56] - Quote The challenge seeker in me is having a field day with these Nova Knives. My goodness! Tanks: http://youtu.be/iIZZSAKS3wY Dropships: http://youtu.be/aNJK37HZHzg Want ISK? I'm giving it away!
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 388	Posted - 2014.08.14 08:44:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? Your smart ass attitude wont win you any points. You are not funny and we dont appreciate you trolling us in a game that most of us have put good money into. My suggestion to you is to start listening to the players that actually PLAY the game and stop being trolling ** tard. Because if you keep pissing off your player base your precious company you work for is going to go bankrupt. And ban me if you want for speaking the truth i really dont give a at this point. At least i got the balls (for a woman) to call you guys on your stupid ass bullshit you pull. BTW your Hotfix Charlie didnt fix a thing. Try actually working on bugs instead of "fixing" stuff that doesnt need fixing. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off**
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1124	Posted - 2014.08.14 08:56:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? thats what we call a fourm dude he doesn't acutely play the game so he would not know if he had a sidearm or not. nice job on the patch by the way a lot more balance you put forth. if you want to know what little things are wrong i can help cause im not thinking about how the patch just affects me. you made the burst HMG to strong, the new sniper sight is bad may i suggest a fine crosshair, being that he amarr was the strongist heavy before the patch giveing it a extra low slot pushed it out of balance with the other heavy suits. but all in all great job. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Vicious Minotaur 1103	Posted - 2014.08.14 09:11:00 - [59] - Quote Some thoughts: * My standard Caldari Sentinel is completely useless. Not being able to repair ~40% of your entire health pool gimps it.. * Minmatar Assaults finally don't suck. I can finally take that skill above level 1 and not feel like I wasted SP. * Shields still seem a bit underpowered, despite my caldari/minmatar assaults now being able to stack more. * Burst HMG feels bad, and is no longer something I will ever use in its current state. * Absurdly high HP ceiling for armour sentinels is still obnoxious (looking at you, Amarrian filth) * Orbital spam reduction is sexy. Not bad... but the things that are in dire need of addressing are becoming more and more obvious with each hotfix. (Scotty, tier disparity, holes in content) I am a minotaur.
George Moros RestlessSpirits 406	Posted - 2014.08.14 09:56:00 - [60] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: I hate it a lot. on paper the scouts look balanced but only on paper . still king of scouts is Gall, then a close second Amarr & Caldari and way behind them is Minnie. I have all 4 scouts proto and by far the weakest is Minnie they are the only scouts who have no ewar bonus and lacking pg. I love the nk damage and hack is nice but I would prefer something ewar over the hacking bonus. If Gallente is the best, while Amarr and Caldari are (I quote you) "close seconds", then I'd call that pretty balanced. The only scout in need of serious attention would be Minmatar then. Much better than before. Pulvereus ergo queritor.

Fremder V1 Armed And Aimless 18	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:19:00 - [61] - Quote I had my fun with it yesterday... That i have to make compromises when fitting my cal-sentinel, i don't mind. It was indeed too easy before. (Not using the standard suit though.) Thanks to the knife changes, my dancing minja feels more fluid then ever. In the next days, i shall try to use some non proto variants on other suits as actual sidearms, instead of my usual stuff. My amarr assault seems quite powerfull now. An usefull middleground inbetween the other two suits. And thus far, i do love the improved turret installations. Holding those finally seem to make a difference. I allready had a great prolonged shootout in an ambush, because the enemy did so, despite a tank and an all in all stronger team on our side. Something odd i noticed: The basic medium suits didn't get the same slots and cpu/pg as the assault variants. Why is that?
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 207	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:19:00 - [62] - Quote My favourite part of charlie so far is the installations. I jumped into a squad last night in dom and when the squad leader put a defend order on a turret that was high on a hill, I actually ran over to help defend it because it was something worth defending and it was actually the right thing to do when we were getting stomped. My least favourite part of charlie is seeing my min-commando become under powered. I'm still going to use it because the two light weapons is still the only way to go when using a SL, but I am going to die a lot more and kill a lot less now that assaults have grenades, higher HP potential, faster regen, faster speed, and a smaller hit box.
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1942	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:27:00 - [63] - Quote CCP catering to a special class of cry babies, who complain about everything every build... They choose Suit "X " and then they get annihilated by Suit "Y" user .... Then they come to the forums and Cry about Suit "Y" for the rest of the Build... Then CCP caters to their tears and then gives Suit "X" the Stats and Layout of Suit "Y".... But the thing here is that, Suit "Y" user specced into Suit "Y" after reading the description, the same as Suit "X" user... But CCP just changes the roles of that suit to cater to the cry babies... Without any SP refund to Suit "Y" user... Not even a "Hey guys we are sorry, for writing the wrong description on the label, please HTFU" SP IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN SOMETHING, CHOICES YOU MAKE ARE SUPPOSED TO MEAN SOMETHING... But that's not the case though... Now it's becoming like COD where everyone has everything... Hell, i have everything i need, i doesn't affect me if CCP changed all my suits lol or weapons... But if a players First proto suit was a Cal scout or a Gal heavy ?! how are they supposed to survive now ?! CCP please stop catering to cry babies... On another note, My assault suit is better than most Heavies, My Heavy feel like "Hammer of Thor"... My Cal Scout is fun and tricky to use, but it's still better than Amar Scouts and min Scouts... Calmando is still the same, but Light damage modifier made it more interesting.... But it's still the same ugly Baby blue + Pistachio green color... Please change it to a Mean looking suit... Gal Scout is very invisible and still the better suit for the Shotgun lol
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1077	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:44:00 - [64] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: CCP catering to a special class of cry babies, who complain about everything every build... They choose Suit "X " and then they get annihilated by Suit "Y" user .... Then they come to the forums and Cry about Suit "Y" for the rest of the Build... Then CCP caters to their tears and then gives Suit "X" the Stats and Layout of Suit "Y".... But the thing here is that, Suit "Y" user specced into Suit "Y" after reading the description, the same as Suit "X" user... But CCP just changes the roles of that suit to cater to the cry babies... Without any SP refund to Suit "Y" user... Not even a "Hey guys we are sorry, for writing the wrong description on the label, please HTFU" SP IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN SOMETHING, CHOICES YOU MAKE ARE SUPPOSED TO MEAN SOMETHING... But that's not the case though... Now it's becoming like COD where everyone has everything... Hell, i have everything i need, i doesn't affect me if CCP changed all my suits lol or weapons... But if a players First proto suit was a Cal scout or a Gal heavy ?! how are they supposed to survive now ?! CCP please stop catering to cry babies... On another note, My assault suit is better than most Heavies, My Heavy feel like "Hammer of Thor"... My Cal Scout is fun and tricky to use, but it's still better than Amar Scouts and min Scouts... Calmando is still the same, but Light damage modifier made it more interesting.... But it's still the same ugly Baby blue + Pistachio green color... Please change it to a Mean looking suit... Gal Scout is very invisible and still the better suit for the Shotgun lol ^^^^ is how a lot of people in the community feels . Well put sir , very well put . We know that your trying to balance things out CCP and we truly appreciate your efforts but you just can't keep changing directions after you have set us on a path and then all of a sudden , you have a few who don't care for the direction that we are going in ... you people read , you see the suggestions but you look at numbers and don't really think about the in-game effects until being in-game . Now you want to complain ... what the community needs to do is begin to go threw all pre arranged adjustments with a fine tooth comb an stop looking at just the stats , start to figure out what will be the effects of said changes and how they will effect the overall game play and more than that , how it will effect each individual role so we don't have to keep going threw this constant change of direction . Every change made should benefit all involved and not just a particular race or role but instead , most just think about their personal gain . Very well put sir and it's part of the reason why we go threw these constant changes in directions . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1078	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:59:00 - [65] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Your smart ass attitude wont win you any points. You are not funny and we dont appreciate you trolling us in a game that most of us have put good money into. My suggestion to you is to start listening to the players that actually PLAY the game and stop being trolling ** tard. Because if you keep pissing off your player base your precious company you work for is going to go bankrupt. And ban me if you want for speaking the truth i really dont give a at this point. At least i got the balls (for a woman) to call you guys on your stupid ass bullshit you pull. BTW your Hotfix Charlie didnt fix a thing. Try actually working on bugs instead of "fixing" stuff that doesnt need fixing. I for one am tired of being stuck on rocks , on walls ( Has a scout just SG the $h!t out of me yesterday for instance because I became stuck to a wall while trying to evade ) , game lagging during gun exchanges , having trouble traversing the terrain and becoming stuck in crevices . These issues are some of the things that can cause one to just become frustrated and stop playing . We know it's a game and things happen but these are some of the issues that have plagued this game since I started playing and I'm coming up on my year anniversary , also I'm sure these things didn't just appear out of thin air and were here before I came to New Eden . We're on C so hopefully by F some of these issues can be resolved . The community needs a SP refund for those who file a ticket when Delta drops , this will also solve some problems and breath a " new life " into the game for most and frankly after the infantry changes , just needs to happen to right some of the changes that are being made . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. 464	Posted - 2014.08.14 13:01:00 - [66] - Quote Sniper Rifle Cross Hair is terrible Power creep is obvious in an attempt for balance. Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1078	Posted - 2014.08.14 13:03:00 - [67] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Some thoughts: * My standard Caldari Sentinel is completely useless. Not being able to repair ~40% of your entire health pool gimps it.. * Minmatar Assaults finally don't suck. I can finally take that skill above level 1 and not feel like I wasted SP. * Shields still seem a bit underpowered, despite my caldari/minmatar assaults now being able to stack more. * Burst HMG feels bad, and is no longer something I will ever use in its current state. * Absurdly high HP ceiling for armour sentinels is still obnoxious (looking at you, Amarrian filth) * Orbital spam reduction is sexy. Not bad... but the things that are in dire need of addressing are becoming more and more obvious with each hotfix. (Scotty, tier disparity, holes in content) Agreed and well put . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1078	Posted - 2014.08.14 13:05:00 - [68] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: Sniper Rifle Cross Hair is terrible Power creep is obvious in an attempt for balance. Agreed and needs to be revised . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.14 14:21:00 - [69] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: charlie killed shield tanking full stop. How so? My mko assault is beast and my cal sct is still a monster. My amarsentinel is beast also only thing that seems titally broken is the cal sentinel.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.14 14:22:00 - [70] - Quote Also new sniper cross hair is worse don't even want to use my thale to troll.

Lunatic Kota 0uter.Heaven 186	Posted - 2014.08.14 14:24:00 - [71] - Quote This Hotfix is **. CCP decides to take away out decisions the. Tell us they still have consequences. Go yourself CCP. I'm serious. You guys change whatever you want because 3 *** scrubs *. I'm sick of this **. "No respecs will be given." Explain why..... Seriously give us a couple of lines as to why this is? Because you guys don't have the man power I'm assuming. Or you're literally attempting to run people off. GG it's working. If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly. -David Hackworth
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2466	Posted - 2014.08.14 14:53:00 - [72] - Quote I always find a good exercice to trash every fittings and start anew in the weeks following an Hotfix release. Give yourself some time to get used to the changes, then build new fittings from scratch around what you found that worked well for you. Try to use the Modules/Gear/Dropsuits that exacerbate the traits that are strong in your gameplay. Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 408	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:00:00 - [73] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Some thoughts: * My standard Caldari Sentinel is completely useless. Not being able to repair ~40% of your entire health pool gimps it.. * Minmatar Assaults finally don't suck. I can finally take that skill above level 1 and not feel like I wasted SP. * Shields still seem a bit underpowered, despite my caldari/minmatar assaults now being able to stack more. * Burst HMG feels bad, and is no longer something I will ever use in its current state. * Absurdly high HP ceiling for armour sentinels is still obnoxious (looking at you, Amarrian filth) * Orbital spam reduction is sexy. Not bad... but the things that are in dire need of addressing are becoming more and more obvious with each hotfix. (Scotty, tier disparity, holes in content) Agreed and well put . I actually really like the Burst HMG. It takes skill and could very well be the next go to PC HMG Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 408	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:01:00 - [74] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: Also new sniper cross hair is worse don't even want to use my thale to troll. I personally love the new sniper crosshair Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2466	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:06:00 - [75] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: Also new sniper cross hair is worse don't even want to use my thale to troll. I personally love the new sniper crosshair Me too. Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1948	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:44:00 - [76] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: This Hotfix is **. CCP decides to take away out decisions the. Tell us they still have consequences. Go yourself CCP. I'm serious. You guys change whatever you want because 3 *** scrubs *. I'm sick of this **. "No respecs will be given." Explain why..... Seriously give us a couple of lines as to why this is? Because you guys don't have the man power I'm assuming. Or you're literally attempting to run people off. GG it's working. I feel your pain... I specced into Cal scout Day 1, after reading the bonuses and the idea of a Scout Hunter... Yesterday i became a Shield tanked Dampened Scout that's no longer hunting other scouts and going for kills only...
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 481	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:12:00 - [77] - Quote They aren't giving a RESPEC because of the Logi and Sidearm changes come Delta. Once they change those bonuses and what not as I posted in feedback and discussion, then there will be no excuse. Just wait for another month or so, then we can tear down the ceiling :) RESPEC PLEASE After Delta CEO of GODS AMONG MEN Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront 3 Avid Bboy
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1084	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:36:00 - [78] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: They aren't giving a RESPEC because of the Logi and Sidearm changes come Delta. Once they change those bonuses and what not as I posted in feedback and discussion, then there will be no excuse. Just wait for another month or so, then we can tear down the ceiling :) I like the sound of that . On a side note , are the skills changes applying because skills says radius and I should have 30% more right ..??.. and I have level 4 on my personal so even without a mod and I'm not saying that I don't have one on but I do have a fit where I use a scanner as well , no cloak , use a A-86 .. now I know that's not much but when I use that I feel like I just can't see as well as I should , now I understand about dampened scouts .. I just skilled into level 3 of the SG .. have the same in NK ( I could talk about scouting another time because I am interested ) but you know that they just actually applied a lot of bonuses that should have been and actually fixing a lot of problems with bonuses not applying but I just feel like something's missing and I understand that I don't have a lot in my tree , not maxed but a lot hovering . I hope that they check that but I understand that it's still early and it's only at C but that's if there actually planning on fixing those problems or will the same happen in legion ? All the bonuses should apply by now and we shouldn't revisit this problem any time soon .. that's paramount . Shouldn't even be talked about . I see a lot of what's listed with incorrect stats . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1085	Posted - 2014.08.14 16:58:00 - [79] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: charlie killed shield tanking full stop. How so? My mko assault is beast and my cal sct is still a monster. My amarsentinel is beast also only thing that seems titally broken is the cal sentinel. Don't get me started on the Cal Sent , I hope that they change their bonus to 3% shield resistance to laser weapons and 2% to projectile weapons , even more so after these current changes . There bonuses need to be changed because their ineffective and with no low slot at basic , come on .. CCP you act like they were the Gal Sent or the Amarr even , no offence to all but they need something even more now because you rendered SP's moot , everyone doesn't run Proto because most can't .. they don't have the SP's to . You see all these people talking about prototype this and that but I can't relate to suit talk because I have weapons and I tried to focus on my core because that's mandatory . I put a lot into vehicles as well . Got screwed on that but that's another story . At least vehicles are usable , the basic Cal Sent isn't .. no reps . Basic like the beginning of making a character , they should have it in the FW market because that's where it truly belongs . Speaking of that , I still can't understand why swarms are in the FW market for Caldari but they don't have the bonus on the Commando suits ? You could replace those with the Cal Sent in the FW market or FG's because they don't have the bonus so why have them in the market for Caldari . Hell , you could take CR's out of the FW market , it's the most widely used gun and if people don't have it by now it's their fault , skill into it dammit . It just doesn't make sense to me . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc 452	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:02:00 - [80] - Quote It's to early to tell yet, So far I have been enjoying Hotfix Charlie. Some of my fits got nerfed really hard but I been trying different fits and found some interesting combinations that I really been enjoying. Out the door the Scrambler Riffle and Nova knives are something very dangerous. I'll be spending skillpoints on the Nova knives but will leave the SR at level 1. Not my cup of tea. CCP Rattati, some people are complaining about the Caldari Heavy changes I know you put the 3/2 proto version on the list for a LP and AUR variant is there anyway we can see that deployed? I know I been a very big abuser or the old Caldari 2/1 layout for the Standard heavy. It was a really nice suit easy to use and was great for solo gameplayer who aren't in a squad. The old caldari heavy suit suffered from the depleted recharge not always kicking in when depleted. It had something to do with if you where running from gunfire the second shot that hit you canceled out the delay. That being said I can see you wanting people to spend some more isk to get that benefits from that low slot yet it might just put it in the same class as the Caldari Standard Logi fit. There is no reason to use that suit at standard level. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 395	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:07:00 - [81] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: This Hotfix is **. CCP decides to take away out decisions the. Tell us they still have consequences. Go yourself CCP. I'm serious. You guys change whatever you want because 3 *** scrubs *. I'm sick of this . "No respecs will be given." Explain why..... Seriously give us a couple of lines as to why this is? Because you guys don't have the man power I'm assuming. Or you're literally attempting to run people off. GG it's working. >Implying manpower is necessary to initiate code that already exists (They respecced out of Beta.) No they don't want to give respecs because they never gave Eve respecs. Most the players bashing respecs are doing so because of the rhetoric, that Eve doesn't get respecs. Eve =/= Dust. I could understand if Dust actually impacted Eve and the games were truly integrated as promised but they aren't, so we need to stop with this "But Eve!" bullshit, it's literally childish. Punishing your consumers that you want to give a damn about your products every time YOU change ** is not good business practice.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1085	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:16:00 - [82] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: This Hotfix is **. CCP decides to take away out decisions the. Tell us they still have consequences. Go yourself CCP. I'm serious. You guys change whatever you want because 3 *** scrubs *. I'm sick of this . "No respecs will be given." Explain why..... Seriously give us a couple of lines as to why this is? Because you guys don't have the man power I'm assuming. Or you're literally attempting to run people off. GG it's working. >Implying manpower is necessary to initiate code that already exists (They respecced out of Beta.) No they don't want to give respecs because they never gave Eve respecs. Most the players bashing respecs are doing so because of the rhetoric, that Eve doesn't get respecs. Eve =/= Dust. I could understand if Dust actually impacted Eve and the games were truly integrated as promised but they aren't, so we need to stop with this "But Eve!" bullshit, it's literally childish. Punishing your consumers that you want to give a damn about your products every time YOU change is not good business practice. Not only that but your already taking away something that they had interest in and yes , you don't have the numbers that you might like CCP but that's partly your fault threw listening to the wrong people in the community .. the whiners or CPM , don't know but they were wrong and it showed during FF but that's neither here nor there , also not fixing a lot of tedious minuet problems that became a focal point threw lack of attention . It use to bother but now it doesn't matter . As far as Dust goes , when delta drops is all I care about and I'm not ashamed to admit it . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1085	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:26:00 - [83] - Quote Tychus that edit was deep brother . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Duke Noobiam S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 132	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:32:00 - [84] - Quote I like it. More specifically: - I like the factional battle payout increase, I will be playing factional regularly in order to get my Boundless repair tools and my Federation Duvolle Assault riffles - I like the Assault Buff, they did a good job with the CPU and PG. These are high enough to make good builds, but low enough to not let you stack proto/complex everywhere. - I like the Heavy CPU amd PG Nerf, it has made me change my Gallente Sentinel setups but like the new Assaults, they are in the right range (high enough to make good builds, but low enough to not let you stack proto/complex everywhere). - I like the Damage modifier change, you can really feel the difference when running a complex. How do you kill that which has no life?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 398	Posted - 2014.08.14 17:57:00 - [85] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Tychus that edit was deep brother . The SP system will not succeed in a lobby shooter as it is a competitive game style. It's like having online monopoly where the longer players have gamed with Parker Bros. Online the more money they start with at the beginning of games. The reason Dust continued to spiral in new player retention is because the psychology of why people have fun in a competitive environment is counter intuitive to the seniority system that SP has created. An easy example would be World of Warcraft World PvP, which never was popular even in classic and Battlegrounds which didn't get popular until they had matchmaking brackets. Likewise, the most popular PVP arena is generally about equal everything except class composition and team skill. The reason Eve was popular with the SP system that was copied to Dust is because of the high risk ganking system it supported. In this sense it's comparable to DayZ. These style of games are popular for the fact that if you become good enough you can generally avoid unwanted confrontations and gang up on others to increase your odds etc. However, this is nothing like a competitive arena styled game that Dust is. You have to fight the enemy and you have to fight the enemy on numerically equal terms 16v16 50/50 or 150/150 clone counts. The **** ups go beyond this though, another serious issue balance wise that the game has is trying to copy paste the space naval wars into Dust as well. Now let's suspend for a moment how asinine competing military empires would be if they did not adapt each others tech (IE all races should have their own version of missles, plasma, rails, projectiles, lasers, etc.) but the major issue is that these doctrines don't necessarily mesh well. The minmitar and Amarr weaponry compliments them well, however I find CQC gallente weapons work better on the highly mobile caldari suits while long range rail tech works better on the slow but high buffer gallente suits.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3290	Posted - 2014.08.14 18:19:00 - [86] - Quote I'm loving it. My minmatar dual tanked fits can now reach 570 eHP, (+10 more than normal) my armour regenration is improved slightly by the reactive plate buff, and I have another low slot where I can place a regulator. My minmatar has literally become the best of both worlds (minus the massive eHP). Nova Knives are offically INSANE, I can actually kill people with them when I'm supposed to. Futhermore that little extra oomoh at ADV level has given a lot of dead heavies a big fright. My ADS is more challenging to fly, more people are being imboldened by the SL buff, I may be eating humble pie on my opinions of the dropships not needing a buff, but I'd rather have it this way than them being overpowered. Alot more turrets are surviving the duration of the match ad being manned more often (feeds my NK's) I've seen pushes succeed or fail because just 1 or 2 turret installations. I'm seeing alot less of the caldari amd gallante scouts and the ones I do are still the ones playing it properly. Teams of sentinels are also much less common and those that are around aren't so badly brick tanked anymore. The HMG is a hell of a lot less scary, not only can I easily outrange them, I can even outlast them in CQC if I'm mobile enough (more than my fair shair of heavies have died because they forgot about overheat). I'm also seeing less heavies with light weapons and more plasma cannons. PERSONALLY I have seen DUST this balanced and enjoyable in ages, it's glorious. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1536	Posted - 2014.08.14 18:39:00 - [87] - Quote My opinion: Dust is still dead, CCP are still thieves, and legion would appear to be dead as well. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 821	Posted - 2014.08.14 19:36:00 - [88] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Charlie was good liking it so far... but then i suck at dust anyway. Also kids remember further advice from Charlie and always tell your mum before you go off somewhere. Meow-eoww-eoww You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Erebus Razgriz Rough Riders.. Primus Federation 0	Posted - 2014.08.14 19:47:00 - [89] - Quote Fremder V1 wrote: I had my fun with it yesterday... And thus far, i do love the improved turret installations. Holding those finally seem to make a difference. I allready had a great prolonged shootout in an ambush, because the enemy did so, despite a tank and an all in all stronger team on our side. I must say, like you said, the turrets are now worth hacking, as opposed to blowing up within 20 second of the match. It makes it fun to use them, and now have an advantage to fight for :D Erebus - Demon of the night Razgriz - Demon of the Skies Don't fly at night. It's a death wish......
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 159	Posted - 2014.08.15 04:19:00 - [90] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit My Cal sentinal Is okay for FG but shields have been changed again My Gal sentinal now has the old Amarr slot layout which i didnt want but now i have to skill up the Amarr sentinal because it has 4low slots My Cal scout has changed again so once again like the Amarr logi i have skilled into something i didnt want No dropsuit SP refund because 'muh choices have consequences untill CCP change everything on a whim because they have no long term plan apart from pulling the plug on this shoddy game which still leaves you with suits you skilled into for x reason never being used again because CCP changed it to z skill' My ADS isnt cheaper and i dont get 500shield for the python while swarms get several buffs ADS still isnt in the FW store, let alone half the gear No racial parity with vehicles either and it wont happen because dead game CCP dont have a clue, the sooner they pull the plug the better everyone will be Swarms were not buffed in any way. In fact, they had had their damage reduced by about 72 damage per missile at proto. Swarms were not really nerfed either, they were simply changed a bit. Issues I'm experiencing with swarms is that apparently two volleys destroyed my LAV without notice, and I can only assume they were invisible, along with their sound when traveling towards their target; however, they did make sound when contacting my LAV and inflicting damage, thus how I determined they were swarms, but never saw them approaching, nor heard them. I have read other accounts of this around the forums. It seems to be a somewhat rare/random and inconsistent bug, as it doesn't always happen. I've also had swarm rounds fire for no apparent reason when using a swarm launcher after firing a single volley. Perhaps it's lag, or something with the coding, but it seems to be just as random. I don't even know if they're actual rounds or just something regarding the animation, but they did not appear to consume ammunition (I wasn't paying attention to the ?magazine/pack? either when this occurred, but I don't believe it consumed ammunition) My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.

RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 198	Posted - 2014.08.15 04:22:00 - [91] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Havent checked it out yet. So are you guys telling me that the fears were warranted? That Caldari/CalSen/shield tanking is once again penalized? Thats disappointing that yet again certain players who choose to play roles within one race are penalized to compromise for the nile river of tears. I hope I'm wrong in this assesement. Please learn to stop listening to newbs ffs. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
Thurak1 Psygod9 913	Posted - 2014.08.15 04:41:00 - [92] - Quote CCP went WAY too far with the CPU / PG nerf. Please explain why my BP dragonfly suit has more cpu and more PG than my sentinal c1 suit.
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 17	Posted - 2014.08.15 05:28:00 - [93] - Quote Hot Fist F U C K Charlie. Bend over and take it like a man. My thoughts and feelings about Charlie: Two thumbs down. Yet again CCP you amaze to disappoint. Yeah cant fix a broken turd with P I S S. And thats what this game is a broken turd that needs flushed.
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2006	Posted - 2014.08.15 05:30:00 - [94] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Me personally , I have killed off most of my Caldari Sentinel fits and I have started using exclusively Gal Sentinels . Again something Caldari being useless ... Charlie has killed the Caldari Sentinel for me . snip Forcing the use of a PG mod at the Caladari Sentinel Advanced really comes across as a major blunder. I went and deleted all of those FG fits and replaced them with a Minmatar one that still has two damage mods, complex reps, and an ADV SMG to compliment the iFG. It also requires a Militia PG module but it's not crippling like it is with the Caldari. Now if only I could drag myself online to try it out. This whole fiasco underlines the risks of any Frames with few low slots. So much of the game options are tied to them that any balance changes have a greater risk of ending up as outright nerfs. I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers. Forums > Game: Biggest understatement ever
Patrlck 56 425	Posted - 2014.08.15 06:48:00 - [95] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. Who's your brother...? NOOOOOO THERE'S ANOTHER ONE D:
Patrlck 56 425	Posted - 2014.08.15 06:50:00 - [96] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: CCP went WAY too far with the CPU / PG nerf. Please explain why my BP dragonfly suit has more cpu and more PG than my sentinal c1 suit. I can still fit all proto on my gal heavy (though I don't use a proto sidearm). IMO the Nerf wasn't that bad...
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3801	Posted - 2014.08.15 10:17:00 - [97] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit My Cal sentinal Is okay for FG but shields have been changed again My Gal sentinal now has the old Amarr slot layout which i didnt want but now i have to skill up the Amarr sentinal because it has 4low slots My Cal scout has changed again so once again like the Amarr logi i have skilled into something i didnt want No dropsuit SP refund because 'muh choices have consequences untill CCP change everything on a whim because they have no long term plan apart from pulling the plug on this shoddy game which still leaves you with suits you skilled into for x reason never being used again because CCP changed it to z skill' My ADS isnt cheaper and i dont get 500shield for the python while swarms get several buffs ADS still isnt in the FW store, let alone half the gear No racial parity with vehicles either and it wont happen because dead game CCP dont have a clue, the sooner they pull the plug the better everyone will be Swarms were not buffed in any way. In fact, they had had their damage reduced by about 72 damage per missile at proto. Swarms were not really nerfed either, they were simply changed a bit. ) Its a buff When std/adv do more base damage its a buff When adv/proto now only fire 4 missiles instead of 5/6 its a buff since the pilot hasnt a clue on what level it is The proto change is mainly offset by the damage mod buff and if you use a mimando then you get more damage for free
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 212	Posted - 2014.08.15 13:08:00 - [98] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Me personally , I have killed off most of my Caldari Sentinel fits and I have started using exclusively Gal Sentinels . Again something Caldari being useless ... Charlie has killed the Caldari Sentinel for me . snip Forcing the use of a PG mod at the Caladari Sentinel Advanced really comes across as a major blunder. I went and deleted all of those FG fits and replaced them with a Minmatar one that still has two damage mods, complex reps, and an ADV SMG to compliment the iFG. It also requires a Militia PG module but it's not crippling like it is with the Caldari. Now if only I could drag myself online to try it out. This whole fiasco underlines the risks of any Frames with few low slots. So much of the game options are tied to them that any balance changes have a greater risk of ending up as outright nerfs. low slots are far too superior to high slots. the number one reason why the min assault is now a viable suite is because it now has an equal number of low and high slots.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:11:00 - [99] - Quote Against what my corp is telling me to report.. The Caldari Sentinel C-I is still freaking amazing. The change in high low configuration has made me change my play style and my K/D has gone up drastically. Sorry guys but the changes where good all around so far. Looking forward to the Logi changes for Delta. Sitting on almost a million unallocated SP in anticipation of the logi changes. Now if we can just get CCP upper management to take this game seriously, Dust needs more developer resources and a wake up call on what the direction should be not what the buzz of the year is.. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 159	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:35:00 - [100] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit My Cal sentinal Is okay for FG but shields have been changed again My Gal sentinal now has the old Amarr slot layout which i didnt want but now i have to skill up the Amarr sentinal because it has 4low slots My Cal scout has changed again so once again like the Amarr logi i have skilled into something i didnt want No dropsuit SP refund because 'muh choices have consequences untill CCP change everything on a whim because they have no long term plan apart from pulling the plug on this shoddy game which still leaves you with suits you skilled into for x reason never being used again because CCP changed it to z skill' My ADS isnt cheaper and i dont get 500shield for the python while swarms get several buffs ADS still isnt in the FW store, let alone half the gear No racial parity with vehicles either and it wont happen because dead game CCP dont have a clue, the sooner they pull the plug the better everyone will be Swarms were not buffed in any way. In fact, they had had their damage reduced by about 72 damage per missile at proto. Swarms were not really nerfed either, they were simply changed a bit. ) Its a buff When std/adv do more base damage its a buff When adv/proto now only fire 4 missiles instead of 5/6 its a buff since the pilot hasnt a clue on what level it is The proto change is mainly offset by the damage mod buff and if you use a mimando then you get more damage for free A decent pilot can learn the damage levels through experience, rather than counting missiles. I'm a pilot myself, and never really payed attention to missile count, but rather how much damage I received, as I deemed it too distracting to divert my attention. Why did you find it necessary to include damage mods and the explosive bonus of the Minmatar commando... ? Of course PRO is 'offset' by anything of which that increases it's performance... like my assault Ak.0 that can stack 1,136 armour (a bit ridiculous). That is not 'several buffs'. The damage increase for STD/ADV was a buff. Nothing else was buffed in that sense. I may have wrote that post early in the morning and thought for whatever reason you were only concerned with PRO level swarm damage... My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.

Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:38:00 - [101] - Quote Don't make slot configuration changes to BPO's !!!!!!! customers will not stand for it ! If you ever hope to sell anything dust 514 or legon ever again, you will replace the slot configurations on the templar and dren sential's back to there original form !!!! Make all the changes you want to the suits but never this kind of change to a BPO original !!!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2821	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:39:00 - [102] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP No, it wasn't. It was initially proposed, and then after lengthy discussion, it was decided to NOT remove it, an in fact the idea to give the Caldari Logi a sidearm as well and let the Amarr Logi keep its sidearm was forefront to the conversation. So not only did you refuse to actually log into the game and confirm it yourself, you're also clearly not following the discussions on the forums closely enough to stay up to date on the current state of affairs. But really, cry more, wrap that tinfoil around your head as tight as you can, lest the reason seep in.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2821	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:41:00 - [103] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: Don't make slot configuration changes to BPO's !!!!!!! customers will not stand for it ! If you ever hope to sell anything dust 514 or legon ever again, you will replace the slot configurations on the templar and dren sential's back to there original form !!!! Make all the changes you want to the suits but never this kind of change to a BPO !!! Dude...why would that be ok in any sense? At that point you've now created a situation where those who paid for BPOs may have an advantage that non payers cannot replicate via in-game currency. That is the definition of "Pay to Win".
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2082	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:46:00 - [104] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: Don't make slot configuration changes to BPO's !!!!!!! customers will not stand for it ! If you ever hope to sell anything dust 514 or legon ever again, you will replace the slot configurations on the templar and dren sential's back to there original form !!!! Make all the changes you want to the suits but never this kind of change to a BPO !!! Read the End User License Agreement for the game carefully. You had to click "I agree" before entering the game. CCP can do whatever they want with the BPOs.
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:51:00 - [105] - Quote ya no ****, dosent mean you have to like it when people pay for a product they do not want to then, later have that product taken away. CCP will never sell anything to me ever again unless they replace the dren and templar sentinal BPO original.
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:58:00 - [106] - Quote and yes it is a little bit of pay to win, as this type a game is supposed to be !! but really not that much if you can not handle purchasing a few items and BPO's in the marketplace, you must be living in a cardboard box or somthing!!!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2821	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:02:00 - [107] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: and yes it is a little bit of pay to win, as this type a game is supposed to be !! but really not that much if you can not handle purchasing a few items and BPO's in the marketplace, you must be living in a cardboard box or somthing!!! You know I know a lot of people who play this game because its free, and they can't afford to pay for other online games. Statements like that are incredibly insensitive and I think you should be ashamed of yourself for saying **** like that.
Myron Kundera The Generals Anime Empire. 77	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:16:00 - [108] - Quote I love it so far, but i run Gallente Assault so... "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Frank Byers Murphys-Law 1	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:18:00 - [109] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171985&find=unread Space, the final frontier.
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:20:00 - [110] - Quote CCP should be ashamed of the way they have treated the people who have most supported this game ! By purchasing there stuff and spending time testing the game. The least they can do is retain the BPO originals, even if they do offer a slight advantage to the game. Players who where there at the time and sacrificed a small amount of money deserve this. Also talk about ashamed !! CCP should be ashamed of the way they have treated console gamers

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2822	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:49:00 - [111] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: CCP should be ashamed of the way they have treated the people who have most supported this game ! By purchasing there stuff and spending time testing the game. The least they can do is retain the BPO originals, even if they do offer a slight advantage to the game. Players who where there at the time and sacrificed a small amount of money deserve this. Also talk about ashamed !! CCP should be ashamed of the way they have treated console gamers Right, because your SP, Gear, and ISK advantage from being a vet isn't enough of an advantage for you? Or the fact that the BPOs offer free to nearly free fits, meaning you earn even more of a profit. You flat out said before that the game "should be pay to win". Really? You think that's ok? Well of course you do, you already paid. And what about us that like the changes? What if we WANT our BPOs to be the new layout because we like it better?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3809	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:58:00 - [112] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP No, it wasn't. It was initially proposed, and then after lengthy discussion, it was decided to NOT remove it, an in fact the idea to give the Caldari Logi a sidearm as well and let the Amarr Logi keep its sidearm was forefront to the conversation. So not only did you refuse to actually log into the game and confirm it yourself, you're also clearly not following the discussions on the forums closely enough to stay up to date on the current state of affairs. But really, cry more, wrap that tinfoil around your head as tight as you can, lest the reason seep in. ccp are good at making bad choices, its still on the table and even if its not changed in dust it can easily done for legion so either way i lose out and giving it to the caldari while not chanign anythng on that suit is still a bad idea so you end up making a suit better than the amarr without sacrficing anything Are you on the payroll?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2822	Posted - 2014.08.15 17:29:00 - [113] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP No, it wasn't. It was initially proposed, and then after lengthy discussion, it was decided to NOT remove it, an in fact the idea to give the Caldari Logi a sidearm as well and let the Amarr Logi keep its sidearm was forefront to the conversation. So not only did you refuse to actually log into the game and confirm it yourself, you're also clearly not following the discussions on the forums closely enough to stay up to date on the current state of affairs. But really, cry more, wrap that tinfoil around your head as tight as you can, lest the reason seep in. ccp are good at making bad choices, its still on the table and even if its not changed in dust it can easily done for legion so either way i lose out and giving it to the caldari while not chanign anythng on that suit is still a bad idea so you end up making a suit better than the amarr without sacrficing anything Are you on the payroll? Are you really going to get upset over a change that might happen, sometime in the future, in a different game? Well idea is that the Caldari and Amarr get 3 equip and a sidearm, the Min and Gal get 4 equip and no sidearm. Its my understanding is that the plan is to normalize the Logi slot layout to match that of the Assault, bringing the Cal Logi from 5/4 to 5/3. And no, I would never work for a game company, I enjoy my current job too much.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3810	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:00:00 - [114] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP No, it wasn't. It was initially proposed, and then after lengthy discussion, it was decided to NOT remove it, an in fact the idea to give the Caldari Logi a sidearm as well and let the Amarr Logi keep its sidearm was forefront to the conversation. So not only did you refuse to actually log into the game and confirm it yourself, you're also clearly not following the discussions on the forums closely enough to stay up to date on the current state of affairs. But really, cry more, wrap that tinfoil around your head as tight as you can, lest the reason seep in. ccp are good at making bad choices, its still on the table and even if its not changed in dust it can easily done for legion so either way i lose out and giving it to the caldari while not chanign anythng on that suit is still a bad idea so you end up making a suit better than the amarr without sacrficing anything Are you on the payroll? Are you really going to get upset over a change that might happen, sometime in the future, in a different game? Well idea is that the Caldari and Amarr get 3 equip and a sidearm, the Min and Gal get 4 equip and no sidearm. Its my understanding is that the plan is to normalize the Logi slot layout to match that of the Assault, bringing the Cal Logi from 5/4 to 5/3. And no, I would never work for a game company, I enjoy my current job too much. Your doing for free tho, if your gonna defend ccp this bad try and get paid for it In DUST yes because 'muh choices have consequences actually doesnt if ccp decide to change everything on a whim and even if they dont do it in dust they can do it in legion because 'new game' which it isnt' As for making a logi like an assault they did that before, so back to going round is circles
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 159	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:01:00 - [115] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: and yes it is a little bit of pay to win, as this type a game is supposed to be !! but really not that much if you can not handle purchasing a few items and BPO's in the marketplace, you must be living in a cardboard box or somthing!!! My question is, why do even need to pay to win? Isk isn't that hard to get, and they just tripled LP payouts. The only thing I could ever see paying for is proto gear. Standard and advanced gear isn't worth your money... but I would never pay for a non-permanent item anyway. Also, don't be so insensitive to those who do not have the luxury of spare money. My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2822	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:07:00 - [116] - Quote Nah I can't do it full time, if I was an employee I'd have to agree on everything they do, and I don't. And you're right, they can do whatever they please. Better to learn to deal with changes now, because it's impossible to make everyone happy, so every change is gonna **** someone off and make someone else happy. Also if you look at the slot layouts as they are now, almost all of the Assaults have identical slots to the Logis, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1039	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:45:00 - [117] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? It's Takahiro, this is more accurate than most of his observations. Because, that's why.
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 19:10:00 - [118] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Universal Decimator wrote: and yes it is a little bit of pay to win, as this type a game is supposed to be !! but really not that much if you can not handle purchasing a few items and BPO's in the marketplace, you must be living in a cardboard box or somthing!!! My question is, why do even need to pay to win? Isk isn't that hard to get, and they just tripled LP payouts. The only thing I could ever see paying for is proto gear. Standard and advanced gear isn't worth your money... but I would never pay for a non-permanent item anyway. Also, don't be so insensitive to those who do not have the luxury of spare money. Yes I apologize for coming off as insensitive to other players, but my point is that it is not that hard for new players with very little money to obtain the same advantage as vets with BPO originals. They can save there ISK to trade for them. This gives you something to play the game a lot for. I mean why else would you go into public battle after public battle as it is a bit boring. BPO originals are very sought after, they are what gives this game worth, so far as I can see there is no other point in playing this game than to try and collect the tech. Planetary conquest is broken and what else are you going to do with your ISK, but spend it on something. BPO originals are unique collectibles that should never be changed. You would not go back and try to change the story on a rare comic book. You can make standard, advanced and proto suits all much better than BPO originals, so that the BPO is obsolete, but you can not change the BPO. IT is set in stone when it is first created and sold.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1039	Posted - 2014.08.15 19:24:00 - [119] - Quote Charlie seems OK to me. I like the swarm tier changes, it feels a little weird only firing 4 missiles, like the installation changes. My Amarr Sent. is no longer proto at ADV, maybe nerfed a little hard, assaults are easy to fit and scouts are still hard to beat. I am switching my Galscout swarm fit for a MinAssault fit though, only slightly slower and more durable. I'll miss two equipment slots but I need them less with the ammo buff. Sniper reticle was a fix to a problem that created a bigger problem, thanks for the try, but no thanks. I can't comment on Cal/Gal Sent. but overall it is mostly positive. Some of the people all of the time and all that. Because, that's why.
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 703	Posted - 2014.08.15 19:58:00 - [120] - Quote I find it funny that anyone complains about this update. This update has got me playing DUST more often now. I am having a lot more fun, and am actually able to use my Assault suits now. I have yet to find a single bad thing about this update. The turret buff was great, the changes all around have been great.

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 488	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:05:00 - [121] - Quote If you don't like what they did with this update, get vocal next time and change it. Crying about something won't do anything, you have to be very factual about it and present an argument. Rattati is a man of reason. You give a good reason, he will take you seriously. RESPEC PLEASE After Delta CEO of GODS AMONG MEN Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront 3 Avid Bboy
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 198	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:07:00 - [122] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. Wow its still there Im amazed since you were talking about removing it anyways, is that still on the table? Also SP dropsuit refund since you screwed up my Gal sent/Cal scout by changing it all again READ THE PATCH NOTES, NO RESPEC FOR FOTM CHASERS
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 160	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:09:00 - [123] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Universal Decimator wrote: and yes it is a little bit of pay to win, as this type a game is supposed to be !! but really not that much if you can not handle purchasing a few items and BPO's in the marketplace, you must be living in a cardboard box or somthing!!! My question is, why do even need to pay to win? Isk isn't that hard to get, and they just tripled LP payouts. The only thing I could ever see paying for is proto gear. Standard and advanced gear isn't worth your money... but I would never pay for a non-permanent item anyway. Also, don't be so insensitive to those who do not have the luxury of spare money. Yes I apologize for coming off as insensitive to other players, but my point is that it is not that hard for new players with very little money to obtain the same advantage as vets with BPO originals. They can save there ISK to trade for them. This gives you something to play the game a lot for. I mean why else would you go into public battle after public battle as it is a bit boring. BPO originals are very sought after, they are what gives this game worth, so far as I can see there is no other point in playing this game than to try and collect the tech. Planetary conquest is broken and what else are you going to do with your ISK, but spend it on something. BPO originals are unique collectibles that should never be changed. You would not go back and try to change the story on a rare comic book. You can make standard, advanced and proto suits all much better than BPO originals, so that the BPO is obsolete, but you can not change the BPO. IT is set in stone when it is first created and sold. You have a odd fascination with BPO's, but don't see the point when I can use a militia suit that cose around 1500 to 2000 isk, which is pennies worth for a suit. After playing this game for a while, I find it difficult to die and shred people in militia and std gear. The only time where that doesn't happen is when half or more of the enemy team is proto and your's is filled with blueberries, which you are then screwed. At most, BPO's could save me 10-15,000 isk in a match, which isn't significant in my book. I'm not the richest player, but do not understand it when people find it difficult to make isk... My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2830	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:13:00 - [124] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: BPO originals are unique collectibles that should never be changed. You would not go back and try to change the story on a rare comic book. You can make standard, advanced and proto suits all much better than BPO originals, so that the BPO is obsolete, but you can not change the BPO. IT is set in stone when it is first created and sold. The collectible part is the paint job, the function is the same as its counterpart. It is not obsolete because it is an unlimited ISK saver, and in many cases does not require skills to use. It has its advantages. I'm also curious how you expect players to buy BPOs when CCP has already stated that they will not reintroducing BPOs back into the game for sale?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3815	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:38:00 - [125] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. Wow its still there Im amazed since you were talking about removing it anyways, is that still on the table? Also SP dropsuit refund since you screwed up my Gal sent/Cal scout by changing it all again READ THE PATCH NOTES, NO RESPEC FOR FOTM CHASERS Amarr logi FOTM lol, never has been never will be Fact stands i skill into something for reason x, its gets changed to y and i now no longer need it for reason x because i cant do playstyle z with it thus making it useless Thanks for playing
jace silencerww Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:27:00 - [126] - Quote George Moros wrote: jace silencerww wrote: I hate it a lot. on paper the scouts look balanced but only on paper . still king of scouts is Gall, then a close second Amarr & Caldari and way behind them is Minnie. I have all 4 scouts proto and by far the weakest is Minnie they are the only scouts who have no ewar bonus and lacking pg. I love the nk damage and hack is nice but I would prefer something ewar over the hacking bonus. If Gallente is the best, while Amarr and Caldari are (I quote you) "close seconds", then I'd call that pretty balanced. The only scout in need of serious attention would be Minmatar then. Much better than before. yes that what I was trying to say the Minnie scout needs a boost but ccp wont because again ON PAPER they look balance. but Minnie is way behind. I will tell you why on paper it looks that way - due to proto Minnie having 3 high 3 low slots they can use them all for precision (still would NOT see any scout using 2 damp or gall & cald using 1 damp) and dampners just to see any of the other scouts and try to hide but still would be seem by amarr and gall running 2 complex precision with no speed and no ehp.
ladwar HEARTS OF PHOENIX 2038	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:02:00 - [127] - Quote Hp of turrets is too high, burst hmg is op... So usual FOTM crap you guys do every time because no dev actually plays dust Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 932	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:43:00 - [128] - Quote they need some sort of council made of elected players from the community who can tell them when theyre making stupid decisions. shame we dont have one of those. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2011	Posted - 2014.08.16 05:41:00 - [129] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: snip At most, BPO's could save me 10-15,000 isk in a match, which isn't significant in my book. I'm not the richest player, but do not understand it when people find it difficult to make isk... The answer is stomps. Some people have a minimum standard they won't let themselves dip below. It's still possible even with 15k ISK fits if the fight is violent enough, losing money isn't hard. This Spring/Summer on the Logi ALT I switched to a Sever BPO. 20k or better ISK savings kept him in the game after Uprising 1.8 On the flip-side the Dren Sentinel on my Main is saving 14k verses the A/1-Series. But the loss of a armor and a complex damage mod just isn't worth it. I'm wondering if hotfix Charlie has increased the usefulness of the Raven BPO since it gets skill buffs. I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers. Forums > Game: Biggest understatement ever
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 163	Posted - 2014.08.16 12:03:00 - [130] - Quote ladwar wrote: Hp of turrets is too high, burst hmg is op... So usual FOTM crap you guys do every time because no dev actually plays dust The adjustments of the AI definitely balanced the new health of the turrets for me, and I really don't have complaints about them thus far. 'Locks onto you at a 75 meter proximity'. Shoots turret. Turret couldn't give a ****. The blaster seems to be the only that responds. The burst hmg is certainly far more powerful than is was before, and I'm shredding other heavies with it, and it seems overpowered. I loved the thing before, but hope they balance it accordingly and not make it another flaylock. I'm actually using the assault hmg. The changes for it were well implemented. I still find it ridiculous that I can stack 1,316 onto my Assault Ak.0, have a proto light, std or adv sidearm, adv grenade, 2 complex and 1 adv sidearm, and all lows proto, with a nearly maxed out fitting in cpu/pg... 'not overpowered at all'. My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.

Thurak1 Psygod9 923	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:31:00 - [131] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: I find it funny that anyone complains about this update. This update has got me playing DUST more often now. I am having a lot more fun, and am actually able to use my Assault suits now. I have yet to find a single bad thing about this update. The turret buff was great, the changes all around have been great. I am guessing you dont play a caldari sentinal.
Brotherband Fantom Company 24	Posted - 2014.08.16 14:57:00 - [132] - Quote The only thing I don't like about Charlie is that the cal sent lost it's only way of regaining it's armor. I would like to know the CCP's reasoning behind this. I do not expect us to live through this fight. My only request is that you fight with honor and die with dignity.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7266	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:37:00 - [133] - Quote Brotherband wrote: The only thing I don't like about Charlie is that the cal sent lost it's only way of regaining it's armor. I would like to know the CCP's reasoning behind this. Nanohive, Nanite Injector, one of your corporations even made a Repair Tool. Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks
Thurak1 Psygod9 923	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:20:00 - [134] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Brotherband wrote: The only thing I don't like about Charlie is that the cal sent lost it's only way of regaining it's armor. I would like to know the CCP's reasoning behind this. Nanohive, Nanite Injector, one of your corporations even made a Repair Tool. All fine and well.. However the CAL sentinal is typically a soloist and hit and run tactics. When i did have a low slot it was filled with a armor rep to patch me up after a difficult fight. Cal sentinals are now in a very bad place. We dont have the PG / CPU to make many fittings now and we have no way for us to patch our own armor. In this regard we are unique in the game being literally the only suit that can not be outfitted to repair its armor.
Brotherband Fantom Company 24	Posted - 2014.08.17 01:29:00 - [135] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Brotherband wrote: The only thing I don't like about Charlie is that the cal sent lost it's only way of regaining it's armor. I would like to know the CCP's reasoning behind this. Nanohive, Nanite Injector, one of your corporations even made a Repair Tool. All fine and well.. However the CAL sentinal is typically a soloist and hit and run tactics. When i did have a low slot it was filled with a armor rep to patch me up after a difficult fight. Cal sentinals are now in a very bad place. We dont have the PG / CPU to make many fittings now and we have no way for us to patch our own armor. In this regard we are unique in the game being literally the only suit that can not be outfitted to repair its armor. Exactly I do not expect us to live through this fight. My only request is that you fight with honor and die with dignity.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 172	Posted - 2014.08.17 03:00:00 - [136] - Quote im loving it, my new assault a-1 is quite the little beast with a laser or a scram deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 165	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:47:00 - [137] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: snip At most, BPO's could save me 10-15,000 isk in a match, which isn't significant in my book. I'm not the richest player, but do not understand it when people find it difficult to make isk... The answer is stomps. Some people have a minimum standard they won't let themselves dip below. It's still possible even with 15k ISK fits if the fight is violent enough, losing money isn't hard. This Spring/Summer on the Logi ALT I switched to a Sever BPO. 20k or better ISK savings kept him in the game after Uprising 1.8 On the flip-side the Dren Sentinel on my Main is saving 14k verses the A/1-Series. But the loss of a armor and a complex damage mod just isn't worth it. I'm wondering if hotfix Charlie has increased the usefulness of the Raven BPO since it gets skill buffs. As the Raven BPO is listed as a STD Minmatar Logi, it has received it's respective skills long before Charlie (and nothing was changed for the Minmatar Logi skill bonuses in Charlie). This would also apply to any BPO that is not of militia tier. Getting money isn't hard either. It's painless and easy. By 'some people have a minimum standard they won't let themselves dip below', I assume that means that they refuse to use a fitting below a certain price? If so, that's entirely their issue, and no ones to blame. I'm not saying you're blaming anyone either. When using 'you' in most of my posts, I'm referring to the general players of this game. The only way to fix that is to simply get ride of that strange... ideal? Pride? Rather odd predicament to put yourself through. The majority of my regular fits cost around 15k, and to make money it's as simple as using an approximate 2k fitting or the 4 BPOs given to you at the start of that characters creation. At this point though, isk is easily infinite throughout playing the game normally, without going into PC, hoarding/stealing cash from the corp, exploitation, and etc. I've stopped grinding for isk and am now comfortably bobbing around the loss and gain of 10mil in my wallet that is 6 to 7x's that amount. I truly question how people can be poor or begging for isk... and I have a friend who has twice as much as I do, and they frankly haven't a care in the world how much they use or lose. If you can run cheap fittings just as well as your more expensive fittings, then you're only improving yourself and making money while you're at it. Then you become like me. A master of militia and standard, but utterly sucks when using proto. I have no idea how that logic works, but practice has made that fairly evident to me... perhaps when using something expensive I play too cautiously? When it's cheap I have little care in the world and perform far better when price is of no concern and can focus on playing correctly... ? Hmm... I may have just answered my own question... oh well. My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.


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