DUST Search - What do you think about Charlie ???

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Boot Booter wrote:

Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it.

Well done sir.

It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead

Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP

No, it wasn't. It was initially proposed, and then after lengthy discussion, it was decided to NOT remove it, an in fact the idea to give the Caldari Logi a sidearm as well and let the Amarr Logi keep its sidearm was forefront to the conversation. So not only did you refuse to actually log into the game and confirm it yourself, you're also clearly not following the discussions on the forums closely enough to stay up to date on the current state of affairs.

But really, cry more, wrap that tinfoil around your head as tight as you can, lest the reason seep in.

ccp are good at making bad choices, its still on the table and even if its not changed in dust it can easily done for legion so either way i lose out and giving it to the caldari while not chanign anythng on that suit is still a bad idea so you end up making a suit better than the amarr without sacrficing anything

Are you on the payroll?

Are you really going to get upset over a change that might happen, sometime in the future, in a different game?

Well idea is that the Caldari and Amarr get 3 equip and a sidearm, the Min and Gal get 4 equip and no sidearm. Its my understanding is that the plan is to normalize the Logi slot layout to match that of the Assault, bringing the Cal Logi from 5/4 to 5/3.

And no, I would never work for a game company, I enjoy my current job too much.

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RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 198	Posted - 2014.08.15 04:22:00 - [91] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Havent checked it out yet. So are you guys telling me that the fears were warranted? That Caldari/CalSen/shield tanking is once again penalized? Thats disappointing that yet again certain players who choose to play roles within one race are penalized to compromise for the nile river of tears. I hope I'm wrong in this assesement. Please learn to stop listening to newbs ffs. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
Thurak1 Psygod9 913	Posted - 2014.08.15 04:41:00 - [92] - Quote CCP went WAY too far with the CPU / PG nerf. Please explain why my BP dragonfly suit has more cpu and more PG than my sentinal c1 suit.
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 17	Posted - 2014.08.15 05:28:00 - [93] - Quote Hot Fist F U C K Charlie. Bend over and take it like a man. My thoughts and feelings about Charlie: Two thumbs down. Yet again CCP you amaze to disappoint. Yeah cant fix a broken turd with P I S S. And thats what this game is a broken turd that needs flushed.
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2006	Posted - 2014.08.15 05:30:00 - [94] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Me personally , I have killed off most of my Caldari Sentinel fits and I have started using exclusively Gal Sentinels . Again something Caldari being useless ... Charlie has killed the Caldari Sentinel for me . snip Forcing the use of a PG mod at the Caladari Sentinel Advanced really comes across as a major blunder. I went and deleted all of those FG fits and replaced them with a Minmatar one that still has two damage mods, complex reps, and an ADV SMG to compliment the iFG. It also requires a Militia PG module but it's not crippling like it is with the Caldari. Now if only I could drag myself online to try it out. This whole fiasco underlines the risks of any Frames with few low slots. So much of the game options are tied to them that any balance changes have a greater risk of ending up as outright nerfs. I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers. Forums > Game: Biggest understatement ever
Patrlck 56 425	Posted - 2014.08.15 06:48:00 - [95] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? My brother's using the PS3 and his Amarr Logi still has a sidearm. Who's your brother...? NOOOOOO THERE'S ANOTHER ONE D:
Patrlck 56 425	Posted - 2014.08.15 06:50:00 - [96] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: CCP went WAY too far with the CPU / PG nerf. Please explain why my BP dragonfly suit has more cpu and more PG than my sentinal c1 suit. I can still fit all proto on my gal heavy (though I don't use a proto sidearm). IMO the Nerf wasn't that bad...
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3801	Posted - 2014.08.15 10:17:00 - [97] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit My Cal sentinal Is okay for FG but shields have been changed again My Gal sentinal now has the old Amarr slot layout which i didnt want but now i have to skill up the Amarr sentinal because it has 4low slots My Cal scout has changed again so once again like the Amarr logi i have skilled into something i didnt want No dropsuit SP refund because 'muh choices have consequences untill CCP change everything on a whim because they have no long term plan apart from pulling the plug on this shoddy game which still leaves you with suits you skilled into for x reason never being used again because CCP changed it to z skill' My ADS isnt cheaper and i dont get 500shield for the python while swarms get several buffs ADS still isnt in the FW store, let alone half the gear No racial parity with vehicles either and it wont happen because dead game CCP dont have a clue, the sooner they pull the plug the better everyone will be Swarms were not buffed in any way. In fact, they had had their damage reduced by about 72 damage per missile at proto. Swarms were not really nerfed either, they were simply changed a bit. ) Its a buff When std/adv do more base damage its a buff When adv/proto now only fire 4 missiles instead of 5/6 its a buff since the pilot hasnt a clue on what level it is The proto change is mainly offset by the damage mod buff and if you use a mimando then you get more damage for free
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 212	Posted - 2014.08.15 13:08:00 - [98] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Me personally , I have killed off most of my Caldari Sentinel fits and I have started using exclusively Gal Sentinels . Again something Caldari being useless ... Charlie has killed the Caldari Sentinel for me . snip Forcing the use of a PG mod at the Caladari Sentinel Advanced really comes across as a major blunder. I went and deleted all of those FG fits and replaced them with a Minmatar one that still has two damage mods, complex reps, and an ADV SMG to compliment the iFG. It also requires a Militia PG module but it's not crippling like it is with the Caldari. Now if only I could drag myself online to try it out. This whole fiasco underlines the risks of any Frames with few low slots. So much of the game options are tied to them that any balance changes have a greater risk of ending up as outright nerfs. low slots are far too superior to high slots. the number one reason why the min assault is now a viable suite is because it now has an equal number of low and high slots.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:11:00 - [99] - Quote Against what my corp is telling me to report.. The Caldari Sentinel C-I is still freaking amazing. The change in high low configuration has made me change my play style and my K/D has gone up drastically. Sorry guys but the changes where good all around so far. Looking forward to the Logi changes for Delta. Sitting on almost a million unallocated SP in anticipation of the logi changes. Now if we can just get CCP upper management to take this game seriously, Dust needs more developer resources and a wake up call on what the direction should be not what the buzz of the year is.. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 159	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:35:00 - [100] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit My Cal sentinal Is okay for FG but shields have been changed again My Gal sentinal now has the old Amarr slot layout which i didnt want but now i have to skill up the Amarr sentinal because it has 4low slots My Cal scout has changed again so once again like the Amarr logi i have skilled into something i didnt want No dropsuit SP refund because 'muh choices have consequences untill CCP change everything on a whim because they have no long term plan apart from pulling the plug on this shoddy game which still leaves you with suits you skilled into for x reason never being used again because CCP changed it to z skill' My ADS isnt cheaper and i dont get 500shield for the python while swarms get several buffs ADS still isnt in the FW store, let alone half the gear No racial parity with vehicles either and it wont happen because dead game CCP dont have a clue, the sooner they pull the plug the better everyone will be Swarms were not buffed in any way. In fact, they had had their damage reduced by about 72 damage per missile at proto. Swarms were not really nerfed either, they were simply changed a bit. ) Its a buff When std/adv do more base damage its a buff When adv/proto now only fire 4 missiles instead of 5/6 its a buff since the pilot hasnt a clue on what level it is The proto change is mainly offset by the damage mod buff and if you use a mimando then you get more damage for free A decent pilot can learn the damage levels through experience, rather than counting missiles. I'm a pilot myself, and never really payed attention to missile count, but rather how much damage I received, as I deemed it too distracting to divert my attention. Why did you find it necessary to include damage mods and the explosive bonus of the Minmatar commando... ? Of course PRO is 'offset' by anything of which that increases it's performance... like my assault Ak.0 that can stack 1,136 armour (a bit ridiculous). That is not 'several buffs'. The damage increase for STD/ADV was a buff. Nothing else was buffed in that sense. I may have wrote that post early in the morning and thought for whatever reason you were only concerned with PRO level swarm damage... My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.

Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:38:00 - [101] - Quote Don't make slot configuration changes to BPO's !!!!!!! customers will not stand for it ! If you ever hope to sell anything dust 514 or legon ever again, you will replace the slot configurations on the templar and dren sential's back to there original form !!!! Make all the changes you want to the suits but never this kind of change to a BPO original !!!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2821	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:39:00 - [102] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP No, it wasn't. It was initially proposed, and then after lengthy discussion, it was decided to NOT remove it, an in fact the idea to give the Caldari Logi a sidearm as well and let the Amarr Logi keep its sidearm was forefront to the conversation. So not only did you refuse to actually log into the game and confirm it yourself, you're also clearly not following the discussions on the forums closely enough to stay up to date on the current state of affairs. But really, cry more, wrap that tinfoil around your head as tight as you can, lest the reason seep in.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2821	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:41:00 - [103] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: Don't make slot configuration changes to BPO's !!!!!!! customers will not stand for it ! If you ever hope to sell anything dust 514 or legon ever again, you will replace the slot configurations on the templar and dren sential's back to there original form !!!! Make all the changes you want to the suits but never this kind of change to a BPO !!! Dude...why would that be ok in any sense? At that point you've now created a situation where those who paid for BPOs may have an advantage that non payers cannot replicate via in-game currency. That is the definition of "Pay to Win".
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2082	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:46:00 - [104] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: Don't make slot configuration changes to BPO's !!!!!!! customers will not stand for it ! If you ever hope to sell anything dust 514 or legon ever again, you will replace the slot configurations on the templar and dren sential's back to there original form !!!! Make all the changes you want to the suits but never this kind of change to a BPO !!! Read the End User License Agreement for the game carefully. You had to click "I agree" before entering the game. CCP can do whatever they want with the BPOs.
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:51:00 - [105] - Quote ya no ****, dosent mean you have to like it when people pay for a product they do not want to then, later have that product taken away. CCP will never sell anything to me ever again unless they replace the dren and templar sentinal BPO original.
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:58:00 - [106] - Quote and yes it is a little bit of pay to win, as this type a game is supposed to be !! but really not that much if you can not handle purchasing a few items and BPO's in the marketplace, you must be living in a cardboard box or somthing!!!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2821	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:02:00 - [107] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: and yes it is a little bit of pay to win, as this type a game is supposed to be !! but really not that much if you can not handle purchasing a few items and BPO's in the marketplace, you must be living in a cardboard box or somthing!!! You know I know a lot of people who play this game because its free, and they can't afford to pay for other online games. Statements like that are incredibly insensitive and I think you should be ashamed of yourself for saying **** like that.
Myron Kundera The Generals Anime Empire. 77	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:16:00 - [108] - Quote I love it so far, but i run Gallente Assault so... "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Frank Byers Murphys-Law 1	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:18:00 - [109] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171985&find=unread Space, the final frontier.
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:20:00 - [110] - Quote CCP should be ashamed of the way they have treated the people who have most supported this game ! By purchasing there stuff and spending time testing the game. The least they can do is retain the BPO originals, even if they do offer a slight advantage to the game. Players who where there at the time and sacrificed a small amount of money deserve this. Also talk about ashamed !! CCP should be ashamed of the way they have treated console gamers

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2822	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:49:00 - [111] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: CCP should be ashamed of the way they have treated the people who have most supported this game ! By purchasing there stuff and spending time testing the game. The least they can do is retain the BPO originals, even if they do offer a slight advantage to the game. Players who where there at the time and sacrificed a small amount of money deserve this. Also talk about ashamed !! CCP should be ashamed of the way they have treated console gamers Right, because your SP, Gear, and ISK advantage from being a vet isn't enough of an advantage for you? Or the fact that the BPOs offer free to nearly free fits, meaning you earn even more of a profit. You flat out said before that the game "should be pay to win". Really? You think that's ok? Well of course you do, you already paid. And what about us that like the changes? What if we WANT our BPOs to be the new layout because we like it better?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3809	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:58:00 - [112] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP No, it wasn't. It was initially proposed, and then after lengthy discussion, it was decided to NOT remove it, an in fact the idea to give the Caldari Logi a sidearm as well and let the Amarr Logi keep its sidearm was forefront to the conversation. So not only did you refuse to actually log into the game and confirm it yourself, you're also clearly not following the discussions on the forums closely enough to stay up to date on the current state of affairs. But really, cry more, wrap that tinfoil around your head as tight as you can, lest the reason seep in. ccp are good at making bad choices, its still on the table and even if its not changed in dust it can easily done for legion so either way i lose out and giving it to the caldari while not chanign anythng on that suit is still a bad idea so you end up making a suit better than the amarr without sacrficing anything Are you on the payroll?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2822	Posted - 2014.08.15 17:29:00 - [113] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP No, it wasn't. It was initially proposed, and then after lengthy discussion, it was decided to NOT remove it, an in fact the idea to give the Caldari Logi a sidearm as well and let the Amarr Logi keep its sidearm was forefront to the conversation. So not only did you refuse to actually log into the game and confirm it yourself, you're also clearly not following the discussions on the forums closely enough to stay up to date on the current state of affairs. But really, cry more, wrap that tinfoil around your head as tight as you can, lest the reason seep in. ccp are good at making bad choices, its still on the table and even if its not changed in dust it can easily done for legion so either way i lose out and giving it to the caldari while not chanign anythng on that suit is still a bad idea so you end up making a suit better than the amarr without sacrficing anything Are you on the payroll? Are you really going to get upset over a change that might happen, sometime in the future, in a different game? Well idea is that the Caldari and Amarr get 3 equip and a sidearm, the Min and Gal get 4 equip and no sidearm. Its my understanding is that the plan is to normalize the Logi slot layout to match that of the Assault, bringing the Cal Logi from 5/4 to 5/3. And no, I would never work for a game company, I enjoy my current job too much.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3810	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:00:00 - [114] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Perfect example of how stupid this community is. Complains about something before actually logging in and looking, or reading the pages of notes which describe it. Well done sir. It was on the table for hotfix charlie, for all i know its going into delta instead Yes i would complain about a change that ignores the choice i made, i went for the logi suit because it has a sidearm slot to make it more combative but instead if CCP removes it then my choice is invalid and i have wasted SP No, it wasn't. It was initially proposed, and then after lengthy discussion, it was decided to NOT remove it, an in fact the idea to give the Caldari Logi a sidearm as well and let the Amarr Logi keep its sidearm was forefront to the conversation. So not only did you refuse to actually log into the game and confirm it yourself, you're also clearly not following the discussions on the forums closely enough to stay up to date on the current state of affairs. But really, cry more, wrap that tinfoil around your head as tight as you can, lest the reason seep in. ccp are good at making bad choices, its still on the table and even if its not changed in dust it can easily done for legion so either way i lose out and giving it to the caldari while not chanign anythng on that suit is still a bad idea so you end up making a suit better than the amarr without sacrficing anything Are you on the payroll? Are you really going to get upset over a change that might happen, sometime in the future, in a different game? Well idea is that the Caldari and Amarr get 3 equip and a sidearm, the Min and Gal get 4 equip and no sidearm. Its my understanding is that the plan is to normalize the Logi slot layout to match that of the Assault, bringing the Cal Logi from 5/4 to 5/3. And no, I would never work for a game company, I enjoy my current job too much. Your doing for free tho, if your gonna defend ccp this bad try and get paid for it In DUST yes because 'muh choices have consequences actually doesnt if ccp decide to change everything on a whim and even if they dont do it in dust they can do it in legion because 'new game' which it isnt' As for making a logi like an assault they did that before, so back to going round is circles
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 159	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:01:00 - [115] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: and yes it is a little bit of pay to win, as this type a game is supposed to be !! but really not that much if you can not handle purchasing a few items and BPO's in the marketplace, you must be living in a cardboard box or somthing!!! My question is, why do even need to pay to win? Isk isn't that hard to get, and they just tripled LP payouts. The only thing I could ever see paying for is proto gear. Standard and advanced gear isn't worth your money... but I would never pay for a non-permanent item anyway. Also, don't be so insensitive to those who do not have the luxury of spare money. My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2822	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:07:00 - [116] - Quote Nah I can't do it full time, if I was an employee I'd have to agree on everything they do, and I don't. And you're right, they can do whatever they please. Better to learn to deal with changes now, because it's impossible to make everyone happy, so every change is gonna **** someone off and make someone else happy. Also if you look at the slot layouts as they are now, almost all of the Assaults have identical slots to the Logis, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1039	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:45:00 - [117] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My Amarr Logi now has no sidearm thus making it useless and like every other logi suit Interesting, can you send a screenshot of that? It's Takahiro, this is more accurate than most of his observations. Because, that's why.
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 49	Posted - 2014.08.15 19:10:00 - [118] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Universal Decimator wrote: and yes it is a little bit of pay to win, as this type a game is supposed to be !! but really not that much if you can not handle purchasing a few items and BPO's in the marketplace, you must be living in a cardboard box or somthing!!! My question is, why do even need to pay to win? Isk isn't that hard to get, and they just tripled LP payouts. The only thing I could ever see paying for is proto gear. Standard and advanced gear isn't worth your money... but I would never pay for a non-permanent item anyway. Also, don't be so insensitive to those who do not have the luxury of spare money. Yes I apologize for coming off as insensitive to other players, but my point is that it is not that hard for new players with very little money to obtain the same advantage as vets with BPO originals. They can save there ISK to trade for them. This gives you something to play the game a lot for. I mean why else would you go into public battle after public battle as it is a bit boring. BPO originals are very sought after, they are what gives this game worth, so far as I can see there is no other point in playing this game than to try and collect the tech. Planetary conquest is broken and what else are you going to do with your ISK, but spend it on something. BPO originals are unique collectibles that should never be changed. You would not go back and try to change the story on a rare comic book. You can make standard, advanced and proto suits all much better than BPO originals, so that the BPO is obsolete, but you can not change the BPO. IT is set in stone when it is first created and sold.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1039	Posted - 2014.08.15 19:24:00 - [119] - Quote Charlie seems OK to me. I like the swarm tier changes, it feels a little weird only firing 4 missiles, like the installation changes. My Amarr Sent. is no longer proto at ADV, maybe nerfed a little hard, assaults are easy to fit and scouts are still hard to beat. I am switching my Galscout swarm fit for a MinAssault fit though, only slightly slower and more durable. I'll miss two equipment slots but I need them less with the ammo buff. Sniper reticle was a fix to a problem that created a bigger problem, thanks for the try, but no thanks. I can't comment on Cal/Gal Sent. but overall it is mostly positive. Some of the people all of the time and all that. Because, that's why.
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 703	Posted - 2014.08.15 19:58:00 - [120] - Quote I find it funny that anyone complains about this update. This update has got me playing DUST more often now. I am having a lot more fun, and am actually able to use my Assault suits now. I have yet to find a single bad thing about this update. The turret buff was great, the changes all around have been great.



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