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Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 191	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:02:00 - [1] - Quote Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 804	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:17:00 - [2] - Quote I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. Who farted?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 191	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:24:00 - [3] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. Yup all plages exept for ferroscale because they are for scouts. I also wouldnt mind them removing the reduction bonus. If you want to be invisible you should have go use profile damps. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 191	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:27:00 - [4] - Quote Im going to make a prediction taht at least 2 people will come in and rage because they need the cloack as a substitute for skill. I remember when scouys didnt need cloaks to be good. I miss everything before 1.8. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16074	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:31:00 - [5] - Quote Cloaks do make it too easy. I remember the hard days before cloaks where brought in. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 806	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:32:00 - [6] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. Yup all plates exept for ferroscale because they are for scouts. I also wouldnt mind them removing the reduction bonus. If you want to be invisible you should have go use profile damps. Agree 100% Who farted?
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 244	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:41:00 - [7] - Quote When there was no cloaks... Heavies didnt have 2k ehp with resistances runing in 3-4 groups. Cloak is a tool. And its needed. Gallente scout is the one you should blame. It can stack 400armor (+ proto rep hives) and still be 100% unscanable. -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 720	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:44:00 - [8] - Quote Stacking plates could impact movement or increase scan profile for suits. Clanking around in armor has to make some kinda racket doesnt it? A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16075	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:46:00 - [9] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: When there was no cloaks... Heavies didnt have 2k ehp with resistances runing in 3-4 groups. Cloak is a tool. And its needed. Gallente scout is the one you should blame. It can stack 400armor (+ proto rep hives) and still be 100% unscanable. I remember when anyone could sneeze on a scout and die. Scanners saw everything and Aim Assist was far too strong. Yet people would still drop down into an entire squad of hostiles and gut them all like a fish. The feeling of pulling such off is exhilarating and nearly addictive; I long to re-experience that. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Michael Arck 5079	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:49:00 - [10] - Quote After reading OP and then signature...I'm like "huh? what?". Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*

Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 193	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:51:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: After reading OP and then signature...I'm like "huh? what?". So you like drinking tears right. Mine are my *** so here is a cup and an aids cookie. have fun with them My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 216	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:55:00 - [12] - Quote Plate movement penalty should also apply to dampening. More armour = bigger radar signature (subject to advanced materials) My take on 514: Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15588	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:56:00 - [13] - Quote No, OP, your tears come from your tear glands. If what you are saying is true, you're quite seriously abnormal and should probably be dissected for scienctific reasons. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 193	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:58:00 - [14] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: Plate movement penalty should also apply to dampening. More armour = bigger radar signature (subject to advanced materials) yes exept for ferroscale plates as they offer less armor for no movement penalty. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 193	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:08:00 - [15] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: No, OP, your tears come from your tear glands. If what you are saying is true, you're quite seriously abnormal and should probably be dissected for scienctific reasons. I had mine moved. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Michael Arck 5081	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:12:00 - [16] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: After reading OP and then signature...I'm like "huh? what?". So you like drinking tears right. Mine are my * so here is a cup and an aids cookie. have fun with them Uh, would you like me to teach you how to talk creative smack? The tears out ya thing really doesn't work out well. Archistrategos Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain**
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 244	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:19:00 - [17] - Quote About plates. If you have pg/cpu you can eqiup 1compx plate with 1 comp kincat. You have armor almost like from 2 ferro but more speed. -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 110	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:27:00 - [18] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. cloaks are for wimps, real men use scouts without cloaks. Amarr+Gallente>Cadalri+Amarr AMARRIAN4LYFE**
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 636	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:29:00 - [19] - Quote Anyone one who agrees you-have or losing skill.I died 2-3times to medi suit 3 times to gal/min heavy.Cloak means nothing to dampers.Its for sight you idiots,cloak damps nothing.Most pics I see is minmatar so what you say almost means nothing.Dumb low health idiots.You caldari suck. Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1241	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:34:00 - [20] - Quote My usual proto scout fit has only just over 200 eHP Cus teamwork is OP "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"

Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 811	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:50:00 - [21] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. My minja would not like this! Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4121	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:00:00 - [22] - Quote Really I think increasing the decloak time would be a good solution. You'd be stuck with the cloak equipment in your hand for a second or so. I think it's going to get really bad when the Gal Scout is running unchecked. Maybe they'll make it so Amarr scouts can ride piggy back on heavies so the squad has a millisecond of warning before being SG'd in the back of the head. Call it backpack mode. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Liftrasir Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:12:00 - [23] - Quote Just run the decloak animation before switching to weapon, problem solved...
Medical Crash Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 360	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:28:00 - [24] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. You trolling? It's the "Dampning" that's the problem, and NOT the cloaks you fool! A scanned Scout is a dead scout, all smart scouts will go with unscannable Dampning fits if they are smart.. CCP just can't get the scanning/avoid balance right. A 100% scan proof suit is OP as hell, especially with the shoddy aiming DUST has. I figure they will get this more balanced in Legion, but trying to scan people is pathetic right now. What is the point in using Duvolle Focused scanners if Scouts can EASILY get below 15 db? Pointless.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4122	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:36:00 - [25] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. You trolling? It's the "Dampning" that's the problem, and NOT the cloaks you fool! A scanned Scout is a dead scout, all smart scouts will go with unscannable Dampning fits if they are smart.. CCP just can't get the scanning/avoid balance right. A 100% scan proof suit is OP as hell, especially with the shoddy aiming DUST has. I figure they will get this more balanced in Legion, but trying to scan people is pathetic right now. What is the point in using Duvolle Focused scanners if Scouts can EASILY get below 15 db? Pointless. A dampened suit wasn't bad before, but now that people are used to the passive scans provided by the Cal scout some of the great Gal scouts are going to be posting some ridiculous screen shots. Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3230	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:18:00 - [26] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. I don't see the problem with the added dampening, since it's being carefully balanced by Rattatai. That said I feel happy when I can take my Nova Knife assault fit and kill a Scout with it because he is more concerned about stacking eHP. And I wouldn't mind putting and end to scouts having more eHP than my bricked assault, or almost as much as my mlt heavy, while still having the cloak AND vastly superior EWAR AND still havd a spare equipment slot. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1003	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:39:00 - [27] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: No, OP, your tears come from your tear glands. If what you are saying is true, you're quite seriously abnormal and should probably be dissected for scienctific reasons. How do you know that he wasn't created in some sorta " hive " underground lab in the first place ..??.. could be one of those " super trooper " experiments ? Area 51 and all . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1003	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:43:00 - [28] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. You trolling? It's the "Dampning" that's the problem, and NOT the cloaks you fool! A scanned Scout is a dead scout, all smart scouts will go with unscannable Dampning fits if they are smart.. CCP just can't get the scanning/avoid balance right. A 100% scan proof suit is OP as hell, especially with the shoddy aiming DUST has. I figure they will get this more balanced in Legion, but trying to scan people is pathetic right now. What is the point in using Duvolle Focused scanners if Scouts can EASILY get below 15 db? Pointless. Your common sense approach is unusual in this forum . I'm gonna have to keep my eyes on you . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 360	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:04:00 - [29] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. I don't see the problem with the added dampening, since it's being carefully balanced by Rattatai. That said I feel happy when I can take my Nova Knife assault fit and kill a Scout with it because he is more concerned about stacking eHP. And I wouldn't mind putting and end to scouts having more eHP than my bricked assault, or almost as much as my mlt heavy, while still having the cloak AND vastly superior EWAR AND still havd a spare equipment slot. ^THIS Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1427	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:32:00 - [30] - Quote I will admit, I have one (1) Scout suit with a Rail Rifle on. All my modules are Ewar, so I have just north of 200 eHP, its a poor man's Caldari Scout (poor, poor Minmatar). I can't engage at close range, not when just tapping the trigger on pretty much any gun would melt me instantly, so, I chose a distance weapon. As others have said, I would enjoy not seeing Basic and Advanced Gallente Scouts with more armor than my Proto suits have eHP, it irks me. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...

sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 325	Posted - 2014.08.03 15:12:00 - [31] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: ...The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts...Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. RYN0CER0S wrote: I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. The profile reduction bonus on cloaks has already been massivley nerfed. A cloak cannot dampen a scout by itself (10% reduction is minimal at proto). It has to be supplemented with dampeners. There is nothing OP about someone running around 'cloaked' with a red chevron above their head. Use your eyes, and pay attention when you play the damn game, instead of suggesting "sensible" fixes. And are you seriously suggesting that tanked scouts are still a serious issue? HMGs popping me from 40-50 m is an issue right now in dust. Weak-ass assault suits is an issue right now. I can kill proto Caldari scouts with a militia scrambler pistol for f's sake. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 585	Posted - 2014.08.03 15:57:00 - [32] - Quote You ever just happen to run into a 700 armor tanking scout? You try to run, but they are still faster than you~~~
RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 63	Posted - 2014.08.03 16:15:00 - [33] - Quote tander09 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. cloaks are for wimps, real men use scouts without cloaks. A real scout is invisible, use cloak to limit CPU/PG and has EHP less than 400. If they have 600+EHP and 2 equip, they are wimps assault who take advantage of scout suit. Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3231	Posted - 2014.08.03 16:19:00 - [34] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: ...The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts...Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. RYN0CER0S wrote: I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. The profile reduction bonus on cloaks has already been massivley nerfed. A cloak cannot dampen a scout by itself (10% reduction is minimal at proto). It has to be supplemented with dampeners. There is nothing OP about someone running around 'cloaked' with a red chevron above their head. Use your eyes, and pay attention when you play the damn game, instead of suggesting "sensible" fixes. And are you seriously suggesting that tanked scouts are still a serious issue? Yes Scouts running round with more in a single tank than I can in total eHP is a very serious issue, especially when they still have better Ewar stats (entirely passively), a cloak, a spare equipment, better speed, better regen and smaller hitbox. It's a very serious ***** issue when a light suit can out tank and out Ewar me simultaneously. Now you can say "why not sacrifice one of those armour plates for dampener?" I would except formthe fact that gives the scout EVEN MORE eHP than me! HMGs popping me from 40-50 m is an issue right now in dust. What are you doing to die at that range? Standing Still? Weak-ass assault suits is an issue right now. Because everything else is overpowered by comparison, just buffing assaults is a bad solution. I can kill proto Caldari scouts with a militia scrambler pistol for f's sake. It's got a 450% headshot multiplier, you can kill heavies with the thing They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 94	Posted - 2014.08.03 16:24:00 - [35] - Quote RedPencil wrote: tander09 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. cloaks are for wimps, real men use scouts without cloaks. A real scout is invisible, use cloak to limit CPU/PG, have only sidearm, and has EHP less than 400. If they have 600+EHP and 2 equip, they are wimps assault who take advantage of scout suit. TBH I use my cloak to get behind groups of people or cross open terrain where someone could just look in my direction and kill me. I find the cloak a very useful tool to compensate for my low EHP on a EWAR scout. I have a problem with the decloak time as I decloak well before engaging my enemy. If you don't do that the sprint bug kicks in. I say up the decloak time. i wouldn't mind at all
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1063	Posted - 2014.08.03 16:30:00 - [36] - Quote Started scouting a few months before cloaks, if you took the right routes and approaches you could do just as well then. Cloaks just made it too easy, they were a bad idea poorly implemented. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2321	Posted - 2014.08.03 16:42:00 - [37] - Quote A cloak gives you absolutely no advantage over players that are actually competent in DUST 514... A Cloak in PC merely allows you to cover an open field without getting movement position broadcasted by the enemy team. Otherwise? Eyes are OP for cloakers. A Player with the understanding of enemy position flow and where they come from will be able to see and counter a cloaker before they can even pull out a weapon to defend themselves. Cloaking is a cool feature and offered in one of the most balanced forms in Video games today.. Planetside 2 you can fire sniper rifles while cloaked.. Crysis.. Lol? DUST you have no weapon out.. you have a delay to even bring your weapon out to defend yourself. And you can actually bee seen pretty easy even stationary... No game that has cloaking as a feature offers that many disadvantages. Scouts are strong because of the way CCP trains the average player to play their game. CCP trains players to look for "Red". Look for the "Red" chevron.. Look for the "Red" Dot, look for the "Red" crosshairs. As soon as enemies don't appear "Red" the average DUST player is confused on what to even do. You can sit with a fully dampened Caldari proto scout(Because it's dark color) in the middle of the enemy team and because you have no UI marking on you, they will think your a friendly. Most games have clear faction separation, So it's clear which side is the Counter-terrorist and what side is the terrorist.. For example. DUST is completely based off UI. Scanning and dampening and the whole radar thing is a cool concept? but that is ass far as my praise goes.. It has actively made the game worse in most cases except for the people who understand the system intimately. When everyone could see everyone on the Radar like in Chromosome, DUST 514 was a giant chess match where everyone could see the pieces.. Flanking took skill and planning.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 224	Posted - 2014.08.03 16:50:00 - [38] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. yes on the profile reduction on cloaks being nerfed but the speed reduction on plates only needs to be on the normal plates not reactive or ferroscale. as for cloaks they need a set timer once decloaked before they can recloak again (see EVE prototype cloaking device[30 second reactivation delay once deactivated]) Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 224	Posted - 2014.08.03 16:56:00 - [39] - Quote i remember when scouts used to run with active scanners and actually SCOUT for the team Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1029	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:04:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cloaks do make it too easy. I remember the hard days before cloaks where brought in. i don't see the point of haveing the cloak in the game period. real scouts never needed it and it seemed back in the day it was only real scouts who could get kills. i say put the scout back to were someone with skill can do well in a scout but bad players should struggle to use a low HP suit. cause there is so many bad players running around in scout suits right now it comical im mean seriously there was only a few very skilled scouts in this game these other fucks are giving that suit and the craft a bad name. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer

The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3823	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:24:00 - [41] - Quote Stop this stupidity. Do you guys remember the time before scouts got cloaks? They where cannonfodder for every 1 cuase they where horrible. The only thing they got is stealth and ewar and thats it. The HP you can get on a proto scout with ewar mods is allmost the same like a decently fitted standard assault. Instead of complaining why dont you spec gal.logi, equip 4 focused scanners and go hunt scouts? The gallente logi is the hard counter though nobody uses it. 1 scanner logi in a 6 man squad renders all scouts useless cause a scanned scout is a dead scout period. New shield module!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8921	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:26:00 - [42] - Quote RedPencil wrote: tander09 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. cloaks are for wimps, real men use scouts without cloaks. A real scout is invisible, use cloak to limit CPU/PG, have only sidearm, and has EHP less than 400. If they have 600+EHP and 2 equip, they are wimps assault who take advantage of scout suit. Scout /skout/ noun 1. a soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements. verb 1. make a search for someone or something in various places. A scout's purpose is not invisibility, it is intel gathering. Invisibility is merely a tool some scouts use to help them gather intel, as in using stealth to get in among the enemy ranks without them knowing and then relaying information about the enemy to the team. However, invisibility isn't the only tool for a scout to fill its purpose. For example, http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/285/6027 This is my scout. I still go out ahead of my squad to gather information about the enemy, but I do so with high scanning and protection instead of invisibility. Yet despite doing exactly what a scout is supposed to do, because I go about it in a different manner I am not a real scout? (at least I'm not abusing cloaks to fire while still invisible or tossing RE's around like grenades as my main method of attacking) Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3781	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:32:00 - [43] - Quote REs are totally fair game :D (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8921	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:34:00 - [44] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: REs are totally fair game :D I would agree if REs had a longer delay before you could detonate them. You shouldn't be able to place them and instantly detonate. Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 1552	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:47:00 - [45] - Quote I took a break so long I forgot the cloak animation, but it's still easy to see to me, and double check with the crosshairs changing color on them. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8922	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:47:00 - [46] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Stop this stupidity. Do you guys remember the time before scouts got cloaks? They where cannonfodder for every 1 cuase they where horrible. The only thing they got is stealth and ewar and thats it. The HP you can get on a proto scout with ewar mods is allmost the same like a decently fitted standard assault. Instead of complaining why dont you spec gal.logi, equip 4 focused scanners and go hunt scouts? The gallente logi is the hard counter though nobody uses it. 1 scanner logi in a 6 man squad renders all scouts useless cause a scanned scout is a dead scout period. Exactly. Especially with assaults getting buffed in Charlie, if you are a scout stacking armor or shields you will fall very short of an assault. And then if you add some ewar mods you won't even be comparable to an assault. So all this talk about nerfing scouts who want more than 300 EHP to protect their investments (we all pay ISK for these things) is ridiculous. Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 829	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:52:00 - [47] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: After reading OP and then signature...I'm like "huh? what?". So you like drinking tears right. Mine are my * so here is a cup and an aids cookie. have fun with them Uh, would you like me to teach you how to talk creative smack? The tears out ya thing really doesn't work out well. Apparently, they let damn near anyone into GTA these days. First Panda, and now this. At least he's a bit more tame compared to the panda narutard. PHOTON GEAR** a¦ÑGîúa¦Ñ
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 302	Posted - 2014.08.03 18:48:00 - [48] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. Yes, yes, nice sig, very mature, we are all impressed with your intellect. If your scout suit does indeed make you sick, then don't use it. Much easier solution than removing this or changing that to accommodate your personal hangups. When you become an adult you will learn things change that don't always please you personally. Deal with it and shut the hell up. You are no more important than any other player here; new or vet. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.08.03 18:54:00 - [49] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: RedPencil wrote: tander09 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. cloaks are for wimps, real men use scouts without cloaks. A real scout is invisible, use cloak to limit CPU/PG, have only sidearm, and has EHP less than 400. If they have 600+EHP and 2 equip, they are wimps assault who take advantage of scout suit. TBH I use my cloak to get behind groups of people or cross open terrain where someone could just look in my direction and kill me. I find the cloak a very useful tool to compensate for my low EHP on a EWAR scout. I have a problem with the decloak time as I decloak well before engaging my enemy. If you don't do that the sprint bug kicks in. I say up the decloak time. i wouldn't mind at all Yes i do use the cloak on my ewar scout too but this is geard toward scouts running around with 500 ehp and combat rifles. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Zindorak 1.U.P 241	Posted - 2014.08.03 18:56:00 - [50] - Quote the reason why people use CR on scouts is because they are the most easy weapon to fit Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 224	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:11:00 - [51] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Stop this stupidity. Do you guys remember the time before scouts got cloaks? They where cannonfodder for every 1 cuase they where horrible. The only thing they got is stealth and ewar and thats it. The HP you can get on a proto scout with ewar mods is allmost the same like a decently fitted standard assault. Instead of complaining why dont you spec gal.logi, equip 4 focused scanners and go hunt scouts? The gallente logi is the hard counter though nobody uses it. 1 scanner logi in a 6 man squad renders all scouts useless cause a scanned scout is a dead scout period. 1 word.. Cloak. it gets under the active scanner all the time so stfu you dont know what your on about Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:14:00 - [52] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. Yes, yes, nice sig, very mature, we are all impressed with your intellect. If your scout suit does indeed make you sick, then don't use it. Much easier solution than removing this or changing that to accommodate your personal hangups. When you become an adult you will learn things change that don't always please you personally. Deal with it and shut the hell up. You are no more important than any other player here; new or vet. Yes because i can just run another suit because i haven't spent all of my time on scouts. The only other things im specialized in are vehicles and they are ****. So tell me what you think is a good idea mister shitpost alt. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:16:00 - [53] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Stop this stupidity. Do you guys remember the time before scouts got cloaks? They where cannonfodder for every 1 cuase they where horrible. The only thing they got is stealth and ewar and thats it. The HP you can get on a proto scout with ewar mods is allmost the same like a decently fitted standard assault. Instead of complaining why dont you spec gal.logi, equip 4 focused scanners and go hunt scouts? The gallente logi is the hard counter though nobody uses it. 1 scanner logi in a 6 man squad renders all scouts useless cause a scanned scout is a dead scout period. 1 word.. Cloak. it gets under the active scanner all the time so stfu you dont know what your on about I dont think anyone that has never seen a galcout with 2 armor plates and a cplx prof damp knows what ghey are talking about. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Dauth Jenkins Merc-0107 555	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:30:00 - [54] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Stop this stupidity. Do you guys remember the time before scouts got cloaks? They where cannonfodder for every 1 cuase they where horrible. The only thing they got is stealth and ewar and thats it. The HP you can get on a proto scout with ewar mods is allmost the same like a decently fitted standard assault. Instead of complaining why dont you spec gal.logi, equip 4 focused scanners and go hunt scouts? The gallente logi is the hard counter though nobody uses it. 1 scanner logi in a 6 man squad renders all scouts useless cause a scanned scout is a dead scout period. So I need to run a 100k suit just to have a chance of countering you... good plan. Btw, I do use the gallogi -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 302	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:33:00 - [55] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. Yes, yes, nice sig, very mature, we are all impressed with your intellect. If your scout suit does indeed make you sick, then don't use it. Much easier solution than removing this or changing that to accommodate your personal hangups. When you become an adult you will learn things change that don't always please you personally. Deal with it and shut the hell up. You are no more important than any other player here; new or vet. Yes because i can just run another suit because i haven't spent all of my time on scouts. The only other things im specialized in are vehicles and they are ***. So tell me what you think is a good idea mister shitpost alt. Not an alt. You complain about cloaks but then admit using them yourself. = hypocrite* I think it would be a splendid idea if you would simply stop complaining about being "instamelted last night" and just enjoy the game while it lasts. TBH no one cares you died in a video game. The only reason I replied to your idiotic thread is you throwing that stupid sig in every one's face. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1032	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:37:00 - [56] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. Yes, yes, nice sig, very mature, we are all impressed with your intellect. If your scout suit does indeed make you sick, then don't use it. Much easier solution than removing this or changing that to accommodate your personal hangups. When you become an adult you will learn things change that don't always please you personally. Deal with it and shut the hell up. You are no more important than any other player here; new or vet. Yes because i can just run another suit because i haven't spent all of my time on scouts. The only other things im specialized in are vehicles and they are ****. So tell me what you think is a good idea mister shitpost alt. more get good less cry. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3590	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:44:00 - [57] - Quote The "assault lite" problem has less to do with cloak than HP potential. How to Fix: * Improve Assault frames * Introduce appropriate efficacy bonuses * Add armor plate mobility penalties (specific to Scouts) Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3232	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:11:00 - [58] - Quote Bethhy wrote: A cloak gives you absolutely no advantage over players that are actually competent in DUST 514... A Cloak in PC merely allows you to cover an open field without getting movement position broadcasted by the enemy team. Otherwise? Eyes are OP for cloakers. A Player with the understanding of enemy position flow and where they come from will be able to see and counter a cloaker before they can even pull out a weapon to defend themselves. Cloaking is a cool feature and offered in one of the most balanced forms in Video games today.. Planetside 2 you can fire sniper rifles while cloaked.. Crysis.. Lol? DUST you have no weapon out.. you have a delay to even bring your weapon out to defend yourself. And you can actually bee seen pretty easy even stationary... No game that has cloaking as a feature offers that many disadvantages. Scouts are strong because of the way CCP trains the average player to play their game. CCP trains players to look for "Red". Look for the "Red" chevron.. Look for the "Red" Dot, look for the "Red" crosshairs. As soon as enemies don't appear "Red" the average DUST player is confused on what to even do. You can sit with a fully dampened Caldari proto scout(Because it's dark color) in the middle of the enemy team and because you have no UI marking on you, they will think your a friendly. Most games have clear faction separation, So it's clear which side is the Counter-terrorist and what side is the terrorist.. For example. DUST is completely based off UI. Scanning and dampening and the whole radar thing is a cool concept? but that is ass far as my praise goes.. It has actively made the game worse in most cases except for the people who understand the system intimately. When everyone could see everyone on the Radar like in Chromosome, DUST 514 was a giant chess match where everyone could see the pieces.. Flanking took skill and planning. You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascot If you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Arron Rift Better Hide R Die 243	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:45:00 - [59] - Quote Wow, the original poster really should see a doctor about where those tears are coming from, I'm pretty sure that's not normal....
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1831	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:03:00 - [60] - Quote No. This just hurts speed tanked scouts more than anything else, which is the opposite of what needs to happen. Poorly thought out idea. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2776	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:13:00 - [61] - Quote Do you know how long scouts wanted a cloak? Besides, cloaks don't make the scouts. The scouts make the cloak. If you can't deal with scouts using cloaks, the problem is with you, not the cloaks. If anything, I say that the dB should be completely removed and they should get back their old durations.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3112	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:15:00 - [62] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascot If you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST This doesn't just work with cloaks. It is a matter of focus. If you are too focused on something, you get tunnel vision and can't see things that are plain as day. Look up Invisible Gorilla to see what I mean. You can't reasonably expect Dust to hold your hand throughout the game. Take some effort, you know scouts are around, make it a point to adjust your game. Even cloaked scouts have to put up with cloaked scouts, and not all of us HP tank and carry shotguns. There are better solutions to real problems like Adipem suggested. This is how a minja feels
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3234	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:27:00 - [63] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascot If you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST This doesn't just work with cloaks. It is a matter of focus. If you are too focused on something, you get tunnel vision and can't see things that are plain as day. Look up Invisible Gorilla to see what I mean. You can't reasonably expect Dust to hold your hand throughout the game. Take some effort, you know scouts are around, make it a point to adjust your game. Even cloaked scouts have to put up with cloaked scouts, and not all of us HP tank and carry shotguns. There are better solutions to real problems like Adipem suggested. Indeed but to say Quote: Cloaks are easy you just have to use your eyes Is a null point used by poorer players to defend the cloak from logical nerfs such as a forced delay between cloak deactivation and firing your weapon, or an energy spkie upon deactivation that temporarily makes you easier to detect! They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 208	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:29:00 - [64] - Quote Armour isn't the problem, as demonstrated by all the Caldari scouts. Cloaks aren't the problem either. Many don't use them. People using scouts for the assault role don't need them. They don't bother taking the time for a wide flank, where a cloak would actually be useful, they just attack head on and continue slaying. Dipping in and out of cover using scanning and high regen for slaying. If someone bothers with a cloak they are doing it right. Come back to this after Charlie. Nobody is going to care about scout potential hp or cloaks once people get their hands on the new assaults.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1835	Posted - 2014.08.04 02:42:00 - [65] - Quote People saying that cloaks are hard to see need to really get good...if anything, they should become more invisible than they already are. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3120	Posted - 2014.08.04 02:49:00 - [66] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascot If you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST This doesn't just work with cloaks. It is a matter of focus. If you are too focused on something, you get tunnel vision and can't see things that are plain as day. Look up Invisible Gorilla to see what I mean. You can't reasonably expect Dust to hold your hand throughout the game. Take some effort, you know scouts are around, make it a point to adjust your game. Even cloaked scouts have to put up with cloaked scouts, and not all of us HP tank and carry shotguns. There are better solutions to real problems like Adipem suggested. Indeed but to say Quote: Cloaks are easy you just have to use your eyes Is a null point used by poorer players to defend the cloak from logical nerfs such as a forced delay between cloak deactivation and firing your weapon, or an energy spkie upon deactivation that temporarily makes you easier to detect! P.S One Eyed King - How did it feel to loose a NK duel to an Assault Suit? I meant to send you a GG mail on that. I never mind losing knife fights, regardless of suit. I just wish I lost fewer of them This is how a minja feels
Espartoi Orkz Clan 309	Posted - 2014.08.04 02:51:00 - [67] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. More accuracy penalty while strafing. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 447	Posted - 2014.08.04 02:52:00 - [68] - Quote I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1837	Posted - 2014.08.04 02:55:00 - [69] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing.... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Espartoi Orkz Clan 309	Posted - 2014.08.04 02:56:00 - [70] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. Caldari Scouts needs a genocide to keep them in line. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.

Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 98	Posted - 2014.08.04 02:59:00 - [71] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. Are you serious or just trolling? This is a tough one...
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5643	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:29:00 - [72] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. No.i need it to sneak in a kill such scouts. REAL scouts have no trouble against tanked scouts. The best Damage mod** is a HEADSHOT....
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 447	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:42:00 - [73] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing.... Yeah, that means he is packing max precision enhancers because he is a little girl. It is almost worse than redline snipers, and soon it will be Amarr scouts that are doing the same thing. Constant scans is a crutch, and the people that use cal scout are cripples right now. Just wait it is coming. The age of Amarr scout will be upon us soon.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5643	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:45:00 - [74] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing.... Yeah, that means he is packing max precision enhancers because he is a little girl. It is almost worse than redline snipers, and soon it will be Amarr scouts that are doing the same thing. Constant scans is a crutch, and the people that use cal scout are cripples right now. Just wait it is coming. The age of Amarr scout will be upon us soon. HAHA scanning? E-war? AMARR SCOUT? I'll take CAldari scout Tengen toppa guren Strafing max OP OMG Kami power shirigami STRAFING over anything...(did i mention strafing?) I can actually kill heavies with 250EHP while FACING THEM just strafing and jumping around....XD The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 447	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:50:00 - [75] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing.... Yeah, that means he is packing max precision enhancers because he is a little girl. It is almost worse than redline snipers, and soon it will be Amarr scouts that are doing the same thing. Constant scans is a crutch, and the people that use cal scout are cripples right now. Just wait it is coming. The age of Amarr scout will be upon us soon. HAHA scanning? E-war? AMARR SCOUT? I'll take CAldari scout Tengen toppa guren Strafing max OP OMG Kami power shirigami STRAFING over anything...(did i mention strafing?) I can actually kill heavies with 250EHP while FACING THEM just strafing and jumping around....XD That is because hit detection on cal scout is broken. And KB/M users know this so they spam adadadadadadadad all day while in a cal scout with max scanning and think they are good. Cal scouts are the little sissy girls of the EVE universe.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5644	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:51:00 - [76] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing.... Yeah, that means he is packing max precision enhancers because he is a little girl. It is almost worse than redline snipers, and soon it will be Amarr scouts that are doing the same thing. Constant scans is a crutch, and the people that use cal scout are cripples right now. Just wait it is coming. The age of Amarr scout will be upon us soon. HAHA scanning? E-war? AMARR SCOUT? I'll take CAldari scout Tengen toppa guren Strafing max OP OMG Kami power shirigami STRAFING over anything...(did i mention strafing?) I can actually kill heavies with 250EHP while FACING THEM just strafing and jumping around....XD That is because hit detection on cal scout is broken. And KB/M users know this so they spam adadadadadadadad all day while in a cal scout with max scanning and think they are good. Cal scouts are the little sissy girls of the EVE universe. To be fair i dont use KBM and i only use ADV caldari scout...now and then.... The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 213	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:55:00 - [77] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. No.i need it to sneak in a kill such scouts.** REAL scouts have no trouble against tanked scouts. Im sorry your definition of real scout is different than mine. I didnt mean to offend kindergartener. Please accept my appology and dont go tell your mommy. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5644	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:57:00 - [78] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. No.i need it to sneak in a kill such scouts. REAL scouts have no trouble against tanked scouts. Im sorry your definition of real scout is different than mine. I didnt mean to offend kindergartener. Please accept my appology and dont go tell your mommy. Dodges burn with CAl scout op strafing HAH ..I.. (n.n) The best Damage mod** is a HEADSHOT....
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 213	Posted - 2014.08.04 04:00:00 - [79] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my * now drink it and read my sig. No.i need it to sneak in a kill such scouts. REAL scouts have no trouble against tanked scouts. Im sorry your definition of real scout is different than mine. I didnt mean to offend kindergartener. Please accept my appology and dont go tell your mommy. * CAl*** You mean CIA ah kindergarteners so illiterate. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5644	Posted - 2014.08.04 04:05:00 - [80] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: You mean CIA ah kindergarteners so illiterate. Fixed for slow people who dont know l is an L The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....

JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 178	Posted - 2014.08.04 04:08:00 - [81] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. Before the cloak even gets touched again it needs to be fixed, on too many maps it is useless and makes you glow like the 4th of july. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 213	Posted - 2014.08.04 05:12:00 - [82] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: You mean CIA ah kindergarteners so illiterate. Fixed for slow people who dont know l is an L I dodnt know I was that close to L but what do i know i cant type all of my posts in bold. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 213	Posted - 2014.08.04 05:14:00 - [83] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. Before the cloak even gets touched again it needs to be fixed, on too many maps it is useless and makes you glow like the 4th of july. Yes but the city maps is where i can get bad sometimes. Its easier sometimes to see a sprinting cloaker against a black wall. The cloak works well in higher lit inside spaces. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
taxi bastard jihad taxi co. 180	Posted - 2014.08.04 06:29:00 - [84] - Quote they should just nerf all PG to mini scout levels. try tank like a mofo then /agree too many pure tanked proto scouts about atm.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 214	Posted - 2014.08.04 06:35:00 - [85] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: they should just nerf all PG to mini scout levels. try tank like a mofo then /agree too many pure tanked proto scouts about atm. At least some people that still play this game have brains. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Balamob SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 37	Posted - 2014.08.04 09:52:00 - [86] - Quote They should remove any radar (passive or active) related bonus, that includes active scanners so they spend slots on modules for that and letting logis spending slots (a lot of them) in passive scanners to have a chance to detect a non-dampenend scout. Let the base statics do the trick. exMAG vet. Sver True Blood FTW.
Balamob SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 37	Posted - 2014.08.04 09:56:00 - [87] - Quote Balamob wrote: They should remove any radar passive/active/dampening related bonus (that includes active scanners from gallente logis), so they spend slots on modules for that and letting logis spending slots (a lot of them) in passive scanners to have a chance to detect a non-dampenend scout. Let the base statics do the trick. exMAG vet. Sver True Blood FTW.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1748	Posted - 2014.08.04 10:05:00 - [88] - Quote Quit empty quoting. Its stupid and we can all take note of relevant comments. On topic: I havent had a problem with cloaking ambush scouts. Bluntly I view them as an excellent hard-counter to my overtanked sentinel suits along with remote explosives, flux nades and being shot from 100 meters while I try to waddle helplessly between covered areas on open maps. Do scouts need an incentive to not try to replace assault? Yes. But the assassin scout role has existed since beta and will never go away. We should not try to get rid of it. As far as the cloak goes Ive made multiple scouts **** themselves as I open fire on the shimmering silhouette that my tacnet failed to mark with a blue chevron.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3241	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:50:00 - [89] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascot If you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST This doesn't just work with cloaks. It is a matter of focus. If you are too focused on something, you get tunnel vision and can't see things that are plain as day. Look up Invisible Gorilla to see what I mean9. You can't reasonably expect Dust to hold your hand throughout the game. Take some effort, you know scouts are around, make it a point to adjust your game. Even cloaked scouts have to put up with cloaked scouts, and not all of us HP tank and carry shotguns. There are better solutions to real problems like Adipem suggested. Indeed but to say Quote: Cloaks are easy you just have to use your eyes Is a null point used by poorer players to defend the cloak from logical nerfs such as a forced delay between cloak deactivation and firing your weapon, or an energy spkie upon deactivation that temporarily makes you easier to detect! P.S One Eyed King - How did it feel to loose a NK duel to an Assault Suit? I meant to send you a GG mail on that. I never mind losing knife fights, regardless of suit. I just wish I lost fewer of them Edit: I don't mind the suggestions you made. They are rather minor compared to take out all dampening, or removing them from the game entirely. Those are the kinds of suggestions I think are reasonable. I just don't like blanket nerfs to deal indirectly with problems instead of identifying the biggest issue, and using a scalpel, not a chainsaw, to excise it. Cloaks are a very difficult subject, on one hand they are cloaks and if they didn't do there job there would be no point in using them. However they can be abused, you should not be able to creep upon on someone while cloaked as close as melee range and then kill them before they can react. We just need something to stop the abuse by the FOTM users and so forth. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 182	Posted - 2014.08.04 12:26:00 - [90] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though. O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. Before the cloak even gets touched again it needs to be fixed, on too many maps it is useless and makes you glow like the 4th of july. Yes but the city maps is where i can get bad sometimes. Its easier sometimes to see a sprinting cloaker against a black wall. The cloak works well in higher lit inside spaces. Yes, but most maps in most areas, cloaks glow way too much and it needs fixing. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2324	Posted - 2014.08.04 13:08:00 - [91] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Bethhy wrote: A cloak gives you absolutely no advantage over players that are actually competent in DUST 514... A Cloak in PC merely allows you to cover an open field without getting movement position broadcasted by the enemy team. Otherwise? Eyes are OP for cloakers. A Player with the understanding of enemy position flow and where they come from will be able to see and counter a cloaker before they can even pull out a weapon to defend themselves. Cloaking is a cool feature and offered in one of the most balanced forms in Video games today.. Planetside 2 you can fire sniper rifles while cloaked.. Crysis.. Lol? DUST you have no weapon out.. you have a delay to even bring your weapon out to defend yourself. And you can actually bee seen pretty easy even stationary... No game that has cloaking as a feature offers that many disadvantages. Scouts are strong because of the way CCP trains the average player to play their game. CCP trains players to look for "Red". Look for the "Red" chevron.. Look for the "Red" Dot, look for the "Red" crosshairs. As soon as enemies don't appear "Red" the average DUST player is confused on what to even do. You can sit with a fully dampened Caldari proto scout(Because it's dark color) in the middle of the enemy team and because you have no UI marking on you, they will think your a friendly. Most games have clear faction separation, So it's clear which side is the Counter-terrorist and what side is the terrorist.. For example. DUST is completely based off UI. Scanning and dampening and the whole radar thing is a cool concept? but that is ass far as my praise goes.. It has actively made the game worse in most cases except for the people who understand the system intimately. When everyone could see everyone on the Radar like in Chromosome, DUST 514 was a giant chess match where everyone could see the pieces.. Flanking took skill and planning. You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascot If you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST You serious monkey? Seems like your missing the point of your own link... 240mph is a completely different experience.. at 180mph lights start to blur at 200mph images start to blend... at 240mph lol... In a Video game where every frame is rendered perfect with no blur.... The comparison is what? Cloaks aren't supposed to be this big swollen bruised thumb sticking out that someone picking up the game for the first week will be able to spot with ease. It takes you actively trying to learn and better yourself in the task you are performing. Some people just don't want to learn or get better and come up with catch phrases to excuse their lack of forward progress. You seemed to have missed the big picture as I have to continue to explain to you Monkey. it is not the visual ques of a cloaker that should really alert you to their presence... By that time you have left it to long and are at a disadvantage. The entire way DUST has been operating with scanning and radar has made people complacent to even use their eyes and thought process: Where the Enemy position is.. where are their spawn points... Where are possible Uplinks.. Which is the best route to the next objective... Siutational awareness; the real meaning not the bullshit these forums make up about hiding behind a box. Shooters have always been about tracking the enemies movement, knowing where they come from and predicting where they are going. DUST hasn't needed any of those skills really until cloaks came. Now there is a general player base that doesn't understand the basics of Situational awareness in this title. This is how a cloak works in other games. And is an appropriate video link. DUST has an extremely mild neutral version.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1850	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:23:00 - [92] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing.... Yeah, that means he is packing max precision enhancers because he is a little girl. It is almost worse than redline snipers, and soon it will be Amarr scouts that are doing the same thing. Constant scans is a crutch, and the people that use cal scout are cripples right now. Just wait it is coming. The age of Amarr scout will be upon us soon. thats 3 precision actually...base shield with max skills is 162. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6899	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:25:00 - [93] - Quote You should have seen the scout I went up against last night. Had +500 Armor and still moving around like he's a ******* jack rabbit. I've had enough of this. Honestly, I'd put off the Assault Buff just for Scout to be properly nerfed back into the role they were supposed to be. I'm so sick of assault scouts it's not even funny. see you space cowboy...
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3247	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:29:00 - [94] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Bethhy wrote: A cloak gives you absolutely no advantage over players that are actually competent in DUST 514... A Cloak in PC merely allows you to cover an open field without getting movement position broadcasted by the enemy team. Otherwise? Eyes are OP for cloakers. A Player with the understanding of enemy position flow and where they come from will be able to see and counter a cloaker before they can even pull out a weapon to defend themselves. Cloaking is a cool feature and offered in one of the most balanced forms in Video games today.. Planetside 2 you can fire sniper rifles while cloaked.. Crysis.. Lol? DUST you have no weapon out.. you have a delay to even bring your weapon out to defend yourself. And you can actually bee seen pretty easy even stationary... No game that has cloaking as a feature offers that many disadvantages. Scouts are strong because of the way CCP trains the average player to play their game. CCP trains players to look for "Red". Look for the "Red" chevron.. Look for the "Red" Dot, look for the "Red" crosshairs. As soon as enemies don't appear "Red" the average DUST player is confused on what to even do. You can sit with a fully dampened Caldari proto scout(Because it's dark color) in the middle of the enemy team and because you have no UI marking on you, they will think your a friendly. Most games have clear faction separation, So it's clear which side is the Counter-terrorist and what side is the terrorist.. For example. DUST is completely based off UI. Scanning and dampening and the whole radar thing is a cool concept? but that is ass far as my praise goes.. It has actively made the game worse in most cases except for the people who understand the system intimately. When everyone could see everyone on the Radar like in Chromosome, DUST 514 was a giant chess match where everyone could see the pieces.. Flanking took skill and planning. You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascot If you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST You serious monkey? Seems like your missing the point of your own link... 240mph is a completely different experience.. at 180mph lights start to blur at 200mph images start to blend... at 240mph lol... In a Video game where every frame is rendered perfect with no blur.... The comparison is what? Cloaks aren't supposed to be this big swollen bruised thumb sticking out that someone picking up the game for the first week will be able to spot with ease. It takes you actively trying to learn and better yourself in the task you are performing. Some people just don't want to learn or get better and come up with catch phrases to excuse their lack of forward progress. You seemed to have missed the big picture as I have to continue to explain to you Monkey. it is not the visual ques of a cloaker that should really alert you to their presence... By that time you have left it to long and are at a disadvantage. The entire way DUST has been operating with scanning and radar has made people complacent to even use their eyes and thought process: Where the Enemy position is.. where are their spawn points... Where are possible Uplinks.. Which is the best route to the next objective... Siutational awareness; the real meaning not the bullshit these forums make up about hiding behind a box. Shooters have always been about tracking the enemies movement, knowing where they come from and predicting where they are going. DUST hasn't needed any of those skills really until cloaks came. Now there is a general player base that doesn't understand the basics of Situational awareness in this title. This is how a cloak works in other games. And is an appropriate video link. DUST has an extremely mild neutral version. I think you misunderstand my point! If a cloak wasn't difficult to spot there would be no logical reason to include a cloqk in the first place, I am simply explaining the science behind when people sit there saying "but cloaks are easy to see you just have to use your eyes". If situational awareness was a real problem do you think people would be complaining that they can't see them? Any suit can take advantage of poor situational awareness with or without a cloak. Scouts suits used tomhave to rely on porr situational awareness from their enemy. The proble with the cloak is simple, it should be assumed that the cloak can and will make you difficult to see, what you can do from this posistion is the problem. If it was simply down to poor situational awareness being capable of quick swapping to your weapon would not be necessary and can easily be taken. If it was simply poot situational awarenes there would be no reason for some for of debuff on decloak or some such. But instead people like yourself bethy who complain because they can't chop strafe or abuse other mechanics like they used to, defend the clearly broken aspects of a broken equipment on an overpowered suit! They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
mollerz 4746	Posted - 2014.08.08 00:40:00 - [95] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: You should have seen the scout I went up against last night. Had +500 Armor and still moving around like he's a ******* jack rabbit. I've had enough of this. Honestly, I'd put off the Assault Buff just for Scout to be properly nerfed back into the role they were supposed to be. I'm so sick of assault scouts it's not even funny. QQ harder please. Dingle Dust Berry.
Zindorak 1.U.P 269	Posted - 2014.08.08 00:46:00 - [96] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts. Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks. But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence. I don't see the problem with the added dampening, since it's being carefully balanced by Rattatai. That said I feel happy when I can take my Nova Knife assault fit and kill a Scout with it because he is more concerned about stacking eHP. And I wouldn't mind putting and end to scouts having more eHP than my bricked assault, or almost as much as my mlt heavy, while still having the cloak AND vastly superior EWAR AND still havd a spare equipment slot. ^THIS Yup Pokemon master


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