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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:13:00 -
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Do you know how long scouts wanted a cloak?
Besides, cloaks don't make the scouts. The scouts make the cloak. If you can't deal with scouts using cloaks, the problem is with you, not the cloaks. If anything, I say that the dB should be completely removed and they should get back their old durations. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3112
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:15:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascotIf you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST
This doesn't just work with cloaks.
It is a matter of focus.
If you are too focused on something, you get tunnel vision and can't see things that are plain as day.
Look up Invisible Gorilla to see what I mean.
You can't reasonably expect Dust to hold your hand throughout the game. Take some effort, you know scouts are around, make it a point to adjust your game.
Even cloaked scouts have to put up with cloaked scouts, and not all of us HP tank and carry shotguns. There are better solutions to real problems like Adipem suggested.
This is how a minja feels
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3234
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:27:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascotIf you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST This doesn't just work with cloaks. It is a matter of focus. If you are too focused on something, you get tunnel vision and can't see things that are plain as day. Look up Invisible Gorilla to see what I mean. You can't reasonably expect Dust to hold your hand throughout the game. Take some effort, you know scouts are around, make it a point to adjust your game. Even cloaked scouts have to put up with cloaked scouts, and not all of us HP tank and carry shotguns. There are better solutions to real problems like Adipem suggested.
Indeed but to say
Quote:Cloaks are easy you just have to use your eyes
Is a null point used by poorer players to defend the cloak from logical nerfs such as a forced delay between cloak deactivation and firing your weapon, or an energy spkie upon deactivation that temporarily makes you easier to detect!
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Varoth Drac
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
208
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:29:00 -
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Armour isn't the problem, as demonstrated by all the Caldari scouts.
Cloaks aren't the problem either. Many don't use them. People using scouts for the assault role don't need them. They don't bother taking the time for a wide flank, where a cloak would actually be useful, they just attack head on and continue slaying. Dipping in and out of cover using scanning and high regen for slaying. If someone bothers with a cloak they are doing it right.
Come back to this after Charlie. Nobody is going to care about scout potential hp or cloaks once people get their hands on the new assaults. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1835
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:42:00 -
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People saying that cloaks are hard to see need to really get good...if anything, they should become more invisible than they already are.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3120
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:49:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascotIf you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST This doesn't just work with cloaks. It is a matter of focus. If you are too focused on something, you get tunnel vision and can't see things that are plain as day. Look up Invisible Gorilla to see what I mean. You can't reasonably expect Dust to hold your hand throughout the game. Take some effort, you know scouts are around, make it a point to adjust your game. Even cloaked scouts have to put up with cloaked scouts, and not all of us HP tank and carry shotguns. There are better solutions to real problems like Adipem suggested. Indeed but to say Quote:Cloaks are easy you just have to use your eyes Is a null point used by poorer players to defend the cloak from logical nerfs such as a forced delay between cloak deactivation and firing your weapon, or an energy spkie upon deactivation that temporarily makes you easier to detect! P.S One Eyed King - How did it feel to loose a NK duel to an Assault Suit? 
I meant to send you a GG mail on that.
I never mind losing knife fights, regardless of suit. I just wish I lost fewer of them 
This is how a minja feels
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Espartoi
Orkz Clan
309
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:51:00 -
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RYN0CER0S wrote:I'd like to see an increased Movement Penalty to Armor Plates on Light Frames and Scouts.
Also, remove the Profile Reduction Bonus from cloaks.
But, those are probably too sensible for this community to comprehend, so let the rage commence.
More accuracy penalty while strafing.
Shoot Smash Stomp Chop.
Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
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Rowdy Railgunner
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
447
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:52:00 -
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I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1837
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:55:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out.
192 shield is nothing....
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Espartoi
Orkz Clan
309
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:56:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out.
Caldari Scouts needs a genocide to keep them in line.
Shoot Smash Stomp Chop.
Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
98
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:59:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out.
Are you serious or just trolling? This is a tough one...
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5643
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:29:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though.
O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig.
No.i need it to sneak in a kill such scouts.
REAL scouts have no trouble against tanked scouts.
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Rowdy Railgunner
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
447
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:42:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing....
Yeah, that means he is packing max precision enhancers because he is a little girl. It is almost worse than redline snipers, and soon it will be Amarr scouts that are doing the same thing. Constant scans is a crutch, and the people that use cal scout are cripples right now. Just wait it is coming. The age of Amarr scout will be upon us soon. |
KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5643
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:45:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing.... Yeah, that means he is packing max precision enhancers because he is a little girl. It is almost worse than redline snipers, and soon it will be Amarr scouts that are doing the same thing. Constant scans is a crutch, and the people that use cal scout are cripples right now. Just wait it is coming. The age of Amarr scout will be upon us soon.
HAHA scanning? E-war? AMARR SCOUT?
I'll take CAldari scout Tengen toppa guren Strafing max OP OMG Kami power shirigami STRAFING over anything...(did i mention strafing?)
I can actually kill heavies with 250EHP while FACING THEM just strafing and jumping around....XD
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Rowdy Railgunner
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
447
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:50:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing.... Yeah, that means he is packing max precision enhancers because he is a little girl. It is almost worse than redline snipers, and soon it will be Amarr scouts that are doing the same thing. Constant scans is a crutch, and the people that use cal scout are cripples right now. Just wait it is coming. The age of Amarr scout will be upon us soon. HAHA scanning? E-war? AMARR SCOUT?I'll take CAldari scout Tengen toppa guren Strafing max OP OMG Kami power shirigami STRAFING over anything...(did i mention strafing?) I can actually kill heavies with 250EHP while FACING THEM just strafing and jumping around....XD
That is because hit detection on cal scout is broken. And KB/M users know this so they spam adadadadadadadad all day while in a cal scout with max scanning and think they are good. Cal scouts are the little sissy girls of the EVE universe. |
KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5644
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:51:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I hate when I get killed by a combat rifle and see that I was killed by a cal scout with 192 shield HP.....Cal scouts should have a base of 40 profile because of the energy their shields put out. 192 shield is nothing.... Yeah, that means he is packing max precision enhancers because he is a little girl. It is almost worse than redline snipers, and soon it will be Amarr scouts that are doing the same thing. Constant scans is a crutch, and the people that use cal scout are cripples right now. Just wait it is coming. The age of Amarr scout will be upon us soon. HAHA scanning? E-war? AMARR SCOUT?I'll take CAldari scout Tengen toppa guren Strafing max OP OMG Kami power shirigami STRAFING over anything...(did i mention strafing?) I can actually kill heavies with 250EHP while FACING THEM just strafing and jumping around....XD That is because hit detection on cal scout is broken. And KB/M users know this so they spam adadadadadadadad all day while in a cal scout with max scanning and think they are good. Cal scouts are the little sissy girls of the EVE universe.
To be fair i dont use KBM and i only use ADV caldari scout...now and then....
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
213
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:55:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though.
O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. No.i need it to sneak in a kill such scouts.REAL scouts have no trouble against tanked scouts.
Im sorry your definition of real scout is different than mine. I didnt mean to offend kindergartener. Please accept my appology and dont go tell your mommy.
My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5644
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:57:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though.
O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. No.i need it to sneak in a kill such scouts.REAL scouts have no trouble against tanked scouts. Im sorry your definition of real scout is different than mine. I didnt mean to offend kindergartener. Please accept my appology and dont go tell your mommy.
*Dodges burn with CAl scout op strafing*
HAH
..I.. (n.n)
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
213
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:00:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though.
O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. No.i need it to sneak in a kill such scouts.REAL scouts have no trouble against tanked scouts. Im sorry your definition of real scout is different than mine. I didnt mean to offend kindergartener. Please accept my appology and dont go tell your mommy. * CAl*
You mean CIA ah kindergarteners so illiterate.
My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5644
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:05:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:
You mean CIA ah kindergarteners so illiterate.
Fixed for slow people who dont know l is an L
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
178
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:08:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though.
O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig.
Before the cloak even gets touched again it needs to be fixed, on too many maps it is useless and makes you glow like the 4th of july.
Max level brony.
Pink fluffy unicorns
http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos
Best song evar.
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
213
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Posted - 2014.08.04 05:12:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:
You mean CIA ah kindergarteners so illiterate.
Fixed for slow people who dont know l is an L
I dodnt know I was that close to L but what do i know i cant type all of my posts in bold.
My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
213
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Posted - 2014.08.04 05:14:00 -
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JRleo jr wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though.
O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. Before the cloak even gets touched again it needs to be fixed, on too many maps it is useless and makes you glow like the 4th of july.
Yes but the city maps is where i can get bad sometimes. Its easier sometimes to see a sprinting cloaker against a black wall. The cloak works well in higher lit inside spaces.
My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
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taxi bastard
jihad taxi co.
180
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Posted - 2014.08.04 06:29:00 -
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they should just nerf all PG to mini scout levels. try tank like a mofo then 
/agree too many pure tanked proto scouts about atm. |
Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
214
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Posted - 2014.08.04 06:35:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:they should just nerf all PG to mini scout levels. try tank like a mofo then /agree too many pure tanked proto scouts about atm.
At least some people that still play this game have brains.
My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
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Balamob
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
37
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Posted - 2014.08.04 09:52:00 -
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They should remove any radar (passive or active) related bonus, that includes active scanners so they spend slots on modules for that and letting logis spending slots (a lot of them) in passive scanners to have a chance to detect a non-dampenend scout.
Let the base statics do the trick.
exMAG vet.
Sver True Blood FTW.
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Balamob
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
37
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Posted - 2014.08.04 09:56:00 -
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Balamob wrote:They should remove any radar passive/active/dampening related bonus (that includes active scanners from gallente logis), so they spend slots on modules for that and letting logis spending slots (a lot of them) in passive scanners to have a chance to detect a non-dampenend scout.
Let the base statics do the trick.
exMAG vet.
Sver True Blood FTW.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1748
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Posted - 2014.08.04 10:05:00 -
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Quit empty quoting. Its stupid and we can all take note of relevant comments.
On topic: I havent had a problem with cloaking ambush scouts. Bluntly I view them as an excellent hard-counter to my overtanked sentinel suits along with remote explosives, flux nades and being shot from 100 meters while I try to waddle helplessly between covered areas on open maps.
Do scouts need an incentive to not try to replace assault? Yes. But the assassin scout role has existed since beta and will never go away. We should not try to get rid of it.
As far as the cloak goes Ive made multiple scouts **** themselves as I open fire on the shimmering silhouette that my tacnet failed to mark with a blue chevron. |
Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3241
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Posted - 2014.08.04 11:50:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:You realise why it's called a cloak don't you? If you can see them, good for you others are not so fortunate to have such highly reactive sight. In fact some peopls brains will block out cloaks without them even knowing. Watch this video: Do exactly as it says don't try cheating just to make a point. http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/stories/1331666027483/red-bull-air-race-focus-test-2014-ascotIf you didn't successfully notice everything on your first try there is a high chance that cloaks will ellude your vision during a number of combat scenarios and standard gameplay in DUST This doesn't just work with cloaks. It is a matter of focus. If you are too focused on something, you get tunnel vision and can't see things that are plain as day. Look up Invisible Gorilla to see what I mean9. You can't reasonably expect Dust to hold your hand throughout the game. Take some effort, you know scouts are around, make it a point to adjust your game. Even cloaked scouts have to put up with cloaked scouts, and not all of us HP tank and carry shotguns. There are better solutions to real problems like Adipem suggested. Indeed but to say Quote:Cloaks are easy you just have to use your eyes Is a null point used by poorer players to defend the cloak from logical nerfs such as a forced delay between cloak deactivation and firing your weapon, or an energy spkie upon deactivation that temporarily makes you easier to detect! P.S One Eyed King - How did it feel to loose a NK duel to an Assault Suit? I meant to send you a GG mail on that. I never mind losing knife fights, regardless of suit. I just wish I lost fewer of them Edit: I don't mind the suggestions you made. They are rather minor compared to take out all dampening, or removing them from the game entirely. Those are the kinds of suggestions I think are reasonable. I just don't like blanket nerfs to deal indirectly with problems instead of identifying the biggest issue, and using a scalpel, not a chainsaw, to excise it.
Cloaks are a very difficult subject, on one hand they are cloaks and if they didn't do there job there would be no point in using them. However they can be abused, you should not be able to creep upon on someone while cloaked as close as melee range and then kill them before they can react.
We just need something to stop the abuse by the FOTM users and so forth.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
182
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Posted - 2014.08.04 12:26:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Because all i see is a bunch of scrubs running around with 400 armor and combat rifles. The cloak has made it too easy for people to call themselves scouts while the real ones take fire from it. 2 options in place i will give. Either remove the cloak or add a 25% speed penalty while in use. I would rather it just be completely removed though.
O and to all of the people that will come in and say they love my tears. Here is a warm cup of my *** now drink it and read my sig. Before the cloak even gets touched again it needs to be fixed, on too many maps it is useless and makes you glow like the 4th of july. Yes but the city maps is where i can get bad sometimes. Its easier sometimes to see a sprinting cloaker against a black wall. The cloak works well in higher lit inside spaces.
Yes, but most maps in most areas, cloaks glow way too much and it needs fixing.
Max level brony.
Pink fluffy unicorns
http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos
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