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Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 654	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:46:00 - [1] - Quote ok, so destiny is just a beta right now, and there are a lot of restrictions on what we can do, like level capped at 8/20 can only go to a few locations, only 2 pvp maps and so on.... but it is already more in depth, larger and runs smoother than dust ever has. this BS that ccp needs to go to PC to do what they want to do has been proven wrong by what bungie has been able to do just with a beta the destiny beta is a more solid game as a BETA than dust is as a release or beta or whatever this is. if only ccp upper management would have hired talented developers of bungie quality from the jump we would have had the most amazing game ever in dust 514. sadly they pinched too many pennies and hired too many 2nd rate developers, and this is evident by the scope of destiny and how smooth it runs on the ps3. shame on you ccp upper management for squandering your opportunity of creating an innovative game on the ps3 that would have had a tremendously large loyal following... now bungie has made a new home for your potential audience. but all is not lost... legion is still a possibility and if you higher the right people and port it to ps4 you may yet garner the audience you have lost to the awesomeness of destiny...(and its just a beta!)
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5007	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:52:00 - [2] - Quote Don't forget Destiny is one of (maybe the?) most expensive games ever made. They had money to throw around on bells & whistles. All in all, the two are chalk and cheese. Destiny isn't trying to do anything Dust tried to do. That said: Dust failed at everything it tried to do. So everybody come play Destiny RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 4650	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:53:00 - [3] - Quote ugh i don't even have time for this... Earn 500Mil ISK(Updated) Gentlemen's Club "No poors allowed" Chat Channel: Vik PC
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 655	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:55:00 - [4] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Don't forget Destiny is one of (maybe the?) most expensive games ever made. They had money to throw around on bells & whistles. All in all, the two are chalk and cheese. Destiny isn't trying to do anything Dust tried to do. That said: Dust failed at everything it tried to do. So everybody come play Destiny I agree that dust was trying to do something totally different than destiny in may ways... but there are many similar elemnts such as being an mmofps, deep character customization, 10 year plan (lol) my point is the things that are similar that dust got wrong destiny got right. and this BS about needing to go to PC cause ps3 wasn't powerful enough has been proven wrong.
Nrabatar Zorig Nos Nothi 176	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:56:00 - [5] - Quote Comparing apples and oranges for the umpeenth time, nothing to see here. That said, Destiny "beta" is a glorified demo at best. Shaman Zorig of the Vherokior Tribe
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 655	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:57:00 - [6] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: ugh i don't even have time for this... you had enough time to post you don't have time.... interesting...
Blooticus DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:58:00 - [7] - Quote Dont forget Destiny's version of a beta is just a server stress test and a cash grab for pre-orders. But you are still correct in telling CCP to improve their game development.
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10710	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:58:00 - [8] - Quote I suggest anyone under the age of 18 to exit this thread, as there will be a *lot* of gargling on CCP's [expltive]. And on that day, that very day, not a single Pilot lived... -HAND
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 655	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:02:00 - [9] - Quote Nrabatar Zorig wrote: Comparing apples and oranges for the umpeenth time, nothing to see here. That said, Destiny "beta" is a glorified demo at best. I'm not saying for a second that destiny is what dust could have been.... it isn't even close.... but neither is dust. my point is that destiny already has more content and depth (in game not meta) than dust ever had... as a beta!.... and that's just sad and there's no excuse. destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15969	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:09:00 - [10] - Quote Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked

Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 659	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:13:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. no game, or movie has ever lived up to the hype... ever... if people these days still believe in hype, and then allow themselves to be disappointed by reality, I feel sorry for them... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 967	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:16:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. Agreed, however, that is a symptom of today's gaming age. With Social Media, hype is generated quicker than it was in the first Halo's day. Almost no game is capable of beating its own hype anymore. I will still be getting Destiny though. If it sux, I can always trade the damn thing in.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 569	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:17:00 - [13] - Quote Nrabatar Zorig wrote: Comparing apples and oranges for the umpeenth time, nothing to see here. That said, Destiny "beta" is a glorified demo at best. In that case, Dust's fully released version sucks compared to a demo. If you were having a conversation with a dev from Bungie and a dev from Dust (I'll give you the benefit of having the dev team prior to Uprising) and they both said, "We will fix this. You haven't seen our trump card yet." who would you believe? Who's gonna get your money? The guy with 2 years of beta and a handful of excuses? Or, the guy with a proven record of having responsible Devs fix an aspect of the game overnight? PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15969	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:25:00 - [14] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. no game, or movie has ever lived up to the hype... ever... if people these days still believe in hype, and then allow themselves to be disappointed by reality, I feel sorry for them... Halo (the first one) did though back in those days; you had to consider the shiniest golden emblem of FPS on consoles was golden eye... which is not saying much considering the control(ers) where amongst the worst ever designed. Hell even Medal of Honor was terrible to control. Back then most folks doubted Halo's potential and had speculation about it. Halo was for most part something that was not hyped much at all. People still hated microsoft as it recently came fresh out of lawsuits about IE and office; apple was beginning to trend up and the PS2 was the console to have because PS1's popularity. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
captainIreland Mcalpines Fusiliers Covert Intervention 21	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:25:00 - [15] - Quote Its because destiny has pve. There nothing like squading up with your mates and taking on the computer and winning then dancing at the end I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.
Hakyou Brutor D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 909	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:29:00 - [16] - Quote captainIreland wrote: Its because destiny has pve. There nothing like squading up with your mates and taking on the computer and winning then dancing at the end Funny, cause that was something DUST was supposed to have....
MINA Longstrike 1035	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:35:00 - [17] - Quote They're two different games with entirely different focuses and hilariously different budgets. Why are you trying to compare them? It's like comparing Farmville to anno 2070. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 660	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:37:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. no game, or movie has ever lived up to the hype... ever... if people these days still believe in hype, and then allow themselves to be disappointed by reality, I feel sorry for them... Halo (the first one) did though back in those days; you had to consider the shiniest golden emblem of FPS on consoles was golden eye... which is not saying much considering the control(ers) where amongst the worst ever designed. Hell even Medal of Honor was terrible to control. Back then most folks doubted Halo's potential and had speculation about it. Halo was for most part something that was not hyped much at all. People still hated microsoft as it recently came fresh out of lawsuits about IE and office; apple was beginning to trend up and the PS2 was the console to have because PS1's popularity. look halo may as well be the game equivalent of the wizard of oz and the hype that surrounded it with "color" in a movie in its day... halo was what 20 years ago? name a game since then... you cant... and that's my point... hype isn't something to buy into this day and age. if you do youre a fool. destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2838	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:42:00 - [19] - Quote Let's not forget which company did the halo series and which has more experience and disposable money in the fps department... Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 660	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:47:00 - [20] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: They're two different games with entirely different focuses and hilariously different budgets. Why are you trying to compare them? I'm not comparing them... I'm calling out ccp's bs about how the ps3 doesn't have enough power... destiny proves it does... maybe the graphics wont be as pretty as a PC, but there is no excuse for the lack of content and the rough mechanics of dust... it is ccp's fault that dust is so bad... not the ps3... and this means they probably wont succeed with the PC either...yes budget may have a lot to do with it... but that's foreboding as well if ccp doesn't have the money to make what can only be an expensive endeavor... does anyone think that dust/legion can be what ccp dream without spending a ton of money? if you do than it really is a dream.... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust

Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 661	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:51:00 - [21] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Let's not forget which company did the halo series and which has more experience and disposable money in the fps department... again I will say... these projects cost tons of money... do you really think ccp can accomplish the dream without a ton of cash? so this is a false argument to compare budgets.... these things cost millions period...and ccp has spent quite a bit and still don't have a product worthy of that money spent... bungie from the jump with halo did...and if halo had failed would you have made the same excuse for them? just not enough money?.... lol destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
R-E-D-R-U-M WRONG-TURN 7	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:07:00 - [22] - Quote Just had an EPIC battle in Destiny. Me against 500 enemies. They were coming out of every corner like roaches. I fked those stupid AI's up. Ran out of ammo and had to retreat :( Where's a logi when you need one?
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2839	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:09:00 - [23] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Let's not forget which company did the halo series and which has more experience and disposable money in the fps department... again I will say... these projects cost tons of money... do you really think ccp can accomplish the dream without a ton of cash? so this is a false argument to compare budgets.... these things cost millions period...and ccp has spent quite a bit and still don't have a product worthy of that money spent... bungie from the jump with halo did...and if halo had failed would you have made the same excuse for them? just not enough money?.... lol Excuse? So experience and money not to mention being a top selling game company has nothing to do with it? I'm not making excuses just a clear observation any person can make. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 661	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:14:00 - [24] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Let's not forget which company did the halo series and which has more experience and disposable money in the fps department... again I will say... these projects cost tons of money... do you really think ccp can accomplish the dream without a ton of cash? so this is a false argument to compare budgets.... these things cost millions period...and ccp has spent quite a bit and still don't have a product worthy of that money spent... bungie from the jump with halo did...and if halo had failed would you have made the same excuse for them? just not enough money?.... lol Excuse? So experience and money not to mention being a top selling game company has nothing to do with it? I'm not making excuses just a clear observation any person can make. but how many companies without experience have made great games? and ccp has had over a decade of experience making games...ok a game... and lets be real here... ccp is a company, not a person... they hire people....all they had to do was hire the right people and let them do their thing... they didn't.... also each dev in ccp brings with them the experience of their previous dev jobs... are you saying that everyone in ccp never did anything else with their careers? so this is kind of a false argument as well.... true that CCP doesn't have a lot of experience with consoles and fps etc... but they only had to hire people that do... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 282	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:17:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: I suggest anyone under the age of 18 to exit this thread, as there will be a *lot* of gargling on Bungie's [expltive]. FTFY
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 586	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:20:00 - [26] - Quote There is nothing mmo about these fps, either of them. Destiny is significantly less lobby than dust thank God but mmo it is not. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 661	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:22:00 - [27] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: There is nothing mmo about these fps, either of them. Destiny is significantly less lobby than dust thank God but mmo it is not. I disagree there.... it is very mmo... its massive, there is multiplayer and it is online.... you collect stuff you gain levels there is a story, theres pvp, there is customization.... so how isn't it an mmo? destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
MINA Longstrike 1035	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:25:00 - [28] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Reign Omega wrote: There is nothing mmo about these fps, either of them. Destiny is significantly less lobby than dust thank God but mmo it is not. I disagree there.... it is very mmo... its massive, there is multiplayer and it is online.... you collect stuff you gain levels there is a story, theres pvp, there is customization.... so how isn't it an mmo? MMO = "massively multiplayer online" 4 people in a room together isn't 'massively multiplayer' it's just 'multiplayer online'. Pretty soon you'll be making hilariously misconstrued arguments that destiny / dust are 'rpgs' because you 'play a role, in a game, making it a role-playing game'. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 661	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:28:00 - [29] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Reign Omega wrote: There is nothing mmo about these fps, either of them. Destiny is significantly less lobby than dust thank God but mmo it is not. I disagree there.... it is very mmo... its massive, there is multiplayer and it is online.... you collect stuff you gain levels there is a story, theres pvp, there is customization.... so how isn't it an mmo? MMO = "massively multiplayer online" 4 people in a room together isn't 'massively multiplayer' it's just 'multiplayer online'. have you played destiny? in the city you see many more than four, raids take 6 people and in the open world there are tons of people running around.... oh and unlike dust, you are NEVER in a room destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
MINA Longstrike 1038	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:30:00 - [30] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Reign Omega wrote: There is nothing mmo about these fps, either of them. Destiny is significantly less lobby than dust thank God but mmo it is not. I disagree there.... it is very mmo... its massive, there is multiplayer and it is online.... you collect stuff you gain levels there is a story, theres pvp, there is customization.... so how isn't it an mmo? MMO = "massively multiplayer online" 4 people in a room together isn't 'massively multiplayer' it's just 'multiplayer online'. have you played destiny? in the city you see many more than four, raids take 6 people and in the open world there are tons of people running around.... oh and unlike dust, you are NEVER in a room Oh wow! six people outside the lobby area!! that's totally massive compared to games like world of warcraft where 500 people can all be fighting in the same area. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

MINA Longstrike 1038	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:32:00 - [31] - Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game just gunna drop this here so you can actually attempt to comprehend the term you're misusing. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2334	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:55:00 - [32] - Quote But the OP merely started that apologists often pointed to the "limited" capabilities of the PS3 as a reason for dust's demise. QED, I say. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 663	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:55:00 - [33] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Reign Omega wrote: There is nothing mmo about these fps, either of them. Destiny is significantly less lobby than dust thank God but mmo it is not. I disagree there.... it is very mmo... its massive, there is multiplayer and it is online.... you collect stuff you gain levels there is a story, theres pvp, there is customization.... so how isn't it an mmo? MMO = "massively multiplayer online" 4 people in a room together isn't 'massively multiplayer' it's just 'multiplayer online'. have you played destiny? in the city you see many more than four, raids take 6 people and in the open world there are tons of people running around.... oh and unlike dust, you are NEVER in a room Oh wow! six people outside the lobby area!! that's totally massive compared to games like world of warcraft where 500 people can all be fighting in the same area. lol youre an idiot.... THERE IS NO LOBBY AREA....in destiny just like wow or any other mmo there are many people all fighting in the same area, but unlike wow you cant steal kills, everyone gets credit and there are also public events like rift where everyone in the area can join in... again I will repeat since you seem dense... there is no lobby at all in destiny its all open world... even the raids are open world. destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 663	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:56:00 - [34] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game just gunna drop this here so you can actually attempt to comprehend the term you're misusing. yep that's exactly what destiny is. destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 131	Posted - 2014.07.19 22:24:00 - [35] - Quote Destiny has a hidden matchmaking system that matches players dynamically when you aren't in the social hub area kinda like Journey and Dark souls. Bungie talks about that aspect a lot if anyone looks hard enough. The Tower does have a lot of people in one area though. I guess in terms of that it does make Destiny feel more of a mmo since you can encounter random players doing activities when you are out exploring or doing missions.
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 620	Posted - 2014.07.19 22:42:00 - [36] - Quote Just so peeps know. Lamborghini was a farming equipment manufacturer at one time. And yes...they made tractors. Seriously! You are now informed. Scouts, Heavies and CR's.....Oh my! They don't have "New Balance" shoes in Iceland? Figures.
Your Absolut End Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 592	Posted - 2014.07.19 22:51:00 - [37] - Quote Well, I didnt liked what I saw from Destiny in the beginning, reminded me to much on a borderland rip off and I don't like copies. I carried dust deep in my heart for more than a year now. I got to try Destiny through a beta key I got from a mate from STB and I gotta say I'm really amazed by the game. The pve experience is limited to a smaller group just like pvp but both modes are a hell lot of fun. Multiplayer seems quiet balanced to me and ven the power each class get arent that Op as u would eypect them. I generally like more of the fast paced games ever since Quake so I gotta fall for Destiny Mp, the maps are in amedium size, big enough to use some flank strategies, small enough to rush an onjective, no 3 minutes runs from one objectibe to another, which I'm sorry to say, I always hated in Dust, yes its for the vehicles, but it drags out alot of action from the game IMO. The radar version of destiny is a nice gadget, its not as precis as in dust, but you get a sense from which direction enemys will come, every player has it, so no ewar qq to find here, think the radar is a really good thing in destiny. If you gotta move a longer way, you can always grab your sparrow vhicle which goes in about 2 seconds, no rdv's, no expensive ai bullshit crashes. Pve is just a hell lot of fun to me, smashing Ai enemys with friends or alone in different modes is just great, and on top of the regular story missions, you get an adventrue mode for every planet where you can walk around the huge pve maps, jump on small enemy groups or do mini missions, which is quiet nice to waste time. all in all i gotta say, I enjoy playing destiny, looting and raging in a damn fun multiplayer which has exactly the pace I prefer. personally I think Ccp is just doing to much in Dust, they have so many varianles like different speeds, health and eqar bonusses thwy gotta select for each race and suit and tier that the are giving themselves a hard time. It's what makes Dust qhat it is but the game gotta decide what it wants to be, strategic or twitch shooter, u cant dance in two partys at the same time. Biggest point for me right now is my personal time management, I enjoy Pc, and competitive matches but it takes atleast 1 hour, with set up and preperation to get into 1(!) good battle, since ++ubs are pure crap. I got a real life an a time consuming job, thats also where my focus lies, so I want a game which I can turn on, play a couple of competitive matches or sink into playing with friends, thats what I enjoy about destiny. I think destiny just raised the bar a little more which will put much more pressure on ccps legion plans, I'm excited to see what they are tryin with that game, but since there is a sinking ship(Dust) and still no light on the horizon(legion) I think its just natural for gamers to look for alternatives, and legion offers a good alternative in my opinion.
Michael Arck 4902	Posted - 2014.07.19 23:07:00 - [38] - Quote This is unfair. First, I judge games majority of the time individually. If we start comparing game A to game B, we would see plenty of problems. Second, a developer company has to know its strong points because hey, they are in business to provide entertainment for profit. They just didn't simply "hire" people to build this game just because they love video games. With that said, CCP is more experienced with PCs. When have they ever dealt with consoles besides this first time? Also, did we also put into account maybe there were some troubles getting the patches out according to Sony's rules? And lastly, if Legion is greenlit, if we look to EVE for a guide we can theorize that Legion will be a mature highly in depth world that we can sink our teeth into. I'm enjoying Destiny. It's great. But its also a little bit "soft" in its presentation. Dust is gritty. Maturer. Sophisticated. Things aren't rosy in New Eden. In Destiny, you know the darkness is seeking to destroy the world, but its all expressed to you in a PG, made for tv and kids video game. Not to take anything away from Destiny. But I enjoy that Dust offers a more mature taste for me. This is why I support CCP in creating Legion. I know that they are more experienced in PC. I know that hotfixes and patches can come out in a "on demand" like fashion instead of waiting for weeks for a company to clear it. I know it can run seamlessly with EVE. Just from watching the lil video in FF, you can see the sophistication and the complete vision of that gritty New Eden universe that the ground forces fight in. So let's keep these two games separate. Dust could not be fully realized on limited hardware that is difficult to develop on in the first place. What you're going to do next if you like No Man's Sky more? Compare that to Destiny and tell Bungie how they completely flubbed it? Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Your Absolut End Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 593	Posted - 2014.07.19 23:18:00 - [39] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: This is unfair. First, I judge games majority of the time individually. If we start comparing game A to game B, we would see plenty of problems. Second, a developer company has to know its strong points because hey, they are in business to provide entertainment for profit. They just didn't simply "hire" people to build this game just because they love video games. With that said, CCP is more experienced with PCs. When have they ever dealt with consoles besides this first time? Also, did we also put into account maybe there were some troubles getting the patches out according to Sony's rules? And lastly, if Legion is greenlit, if we look to EVE for a guide we can theorize that Legion will be a mature highly in depth world that we can sink our teeth into. I'm enjoying Destiny. It's great. But its also a little bit "soft" in its presentation. Dust is gritty. Maturer. Sophisticated. Things aren't rosy in New Eden. In Destiny, you know the darkness is seeking to destroy the world, but its all expressed to you in a PG, made for tv and kids video game. Not to take anything away from Destiny. But I enjoy that Dust offers a more mature taste for me. This is why I support CCP in creating Legion. I know that they are more experienced in PC. I know that hotfixes and patches can come out in a "on demand" like fashion instead of waiting for weeks for a company to clear it. I know it can run seamlessly with EVE. Just from watching the lil video in FF, you can see the sophistication and the complete vision of that gritty New Eden universe that the ground forces fight in. So let's keep these two games separate. Dust could not be fully realized on limited hardware that is difficult to develop on in the first place. What you're going to do next if you like No Man's Sky more? Compare that to Destiny and tell Bungie how they completely flubbed it? I think you are right on this, I am also looking what Ccp comes up with on Legion, and I'm really really starving on news on that game. I would also not completetely compare two games, all I can say is why I prefer which game, and for what I prefer which game. Dust was an amazing experience to me, and the meta game is just great. I will never forget this, but biggest point for me is the real life time I got to invest into a game to have fun playing it.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 663	Posted - 2014.07.20 00:39:00 - [40] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: This is unfair. First, I judge games majority of the time individually. If we start comparing game A to game B, we would see plenty of problems. Second, a developer company has to know its strong points because hey, they are in business to provide entertainment for profit. They just didn't simply "hire" people to build this game just because they love video games. With that said, CCP is more experienced with PCs. When have they ever dealt with consoles besides this first time? Also, did we also put into account maybe there were some troubles getting the patches out according to Sony's rules? And lastly, if Legion is greenlit, if we look to EVE for a guide we can theorize that Legion will be a mature highly in depth world that we can sink our teeth into. I'm enjoying Destiny. It's great. But its also a little bit "soft" in its presentation. Dust is gritty. Maturer. Sophisticated. Things aren't rosy in New Eden. In Destiny, you know the darkness is seeking to destroy the world, but its all expressed to you in a PG, made for tv and kids video game. Not to take anything away from Destiny. But I enjoy that Dust offers a more mature taste for me. This is why I support CCP in creating Legion. I know that they are more experienced in PC. I know that hotfixes and patches can come out in a "on demand" like fashion instead of waiting for weeks for a company to clear it. I know it can run seamlessly with EVE. Just from watching the lil video in FF, you can see the sophistication and the complete vision of that gritty New Eden universe that the ground forces fight in. So let's keep these two games separate. Dust could not be fully realized on limited hardware that is difficult to develop on in the first place. What you're going to do next if you like No Man's Sky more? Compare that to Destiny and tell Bungie how they completely flubbed it? I'm not comparing game A to game B... I'm saying the limits ccp portend the ps3 has are false. oh and btw a console is a PC they are both computers one is just more customizable and can run more power than the other traditionally but ps4 so far is proving a console can compete in the power arena. and you're right a company does need to know its strong points, obviously ccp doesn't.. look to WOD and Dust for this, we shall see if Valkyrie is a bust, I sure hope not, be a shame to waste a body like Katie sackhoff on a turd... and if there is a problem on the sony patch side, so far destiny doesn't seem to be suffering from it... maybe ccp upper management don't know how to conduct business, I mean most of their employees think they are idiots so... I hope legion becomes an amazing game... but you said it first... IF.... I just don't have any faith in ccp these days to make an "if" happen... can you really blame me? destiny is just a beta, so I am reserving my judgment on it, I am only saying it already is more crisp than dust ever was, when you said dust is grity, I agree, though not with the same positive connotation... no mans sky looks amazing btw.... looks like a better eve (lol). but seriously I am keeping the games separate I mean look at my sig... I am only calling ccp on their BS that this was the most they could do with dust on the inferior () ps3.... it was a load of crap. destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust

Michael Arck 4907	Posted - 2014.07.20 01:09:00 - [41] - Quote I still say you're being completely unfair and unrealistic about the whole thing. But hey, to each its own. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Defy Gravity 455	Posted - 2014.07.20 01:10:00 - [42] - Quote I'm sick of people saying "Don't compare dust to....." or "This is CCP's first shooter" or even money reasons. DUST 514 was put into the market to compete with other FPS's. So there's NO EXCUSE. I'm sick of hearing all this bull. And go ahead and try to shoot my post down but in reality its true. Pokey Dravon for CPM1 :D
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 664	Posted - 2014.07.20 02:54:00 - [43] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I still say you're being completely unfair and unrealistic about the whole thing. But hey, to each its own. if dust was a child at a little league game, then I might be being unfair with my criticism... but dust is in the major leagues and it isn't in some childs game where everybody wins... I was fair to dust for over a year, it just doesn't measure up... their is no fair in the real world. destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1130	Posted - 2014.07.20 03:59:00 - [44] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: They're two different games with entirely different focuses and hilariously different budgets. Why are you trying to compare them? I'm not comparing them... I'm calling out ccp's bs about how the ps3 doesn't have enough power... destiny proves it does... maybe the graphics wont be as pretty as a PC, but there is no excuse for the lack of content and the rough mechanics of dust... it is ccp's fault that dust is so bad... not the ps3... and this means they probably wont succeed with the PC either...yes budget may have a lot to do with it... but that's foreboding as well if ccp doesn't have the money to make what can only be an expensive endeavor... does anyone think that dust/legion can be what ccp dream without spending a ton of money? if you do then it really is a dream.... CCP are more experienced with the PC, just as bungie are more experienced with console. sure the ps3 could have handled dust but CCP were skilled enough to make it work appropriately so they moved it to PC(something they are used to) SP earned perday/week
Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 131	Posted - 2014.07.20 04:13:00 - [45] - Quote Atiim wrote: I suggest anyone under the age of 18 to exit this thread, as there will be a *lot* of gargling on CCP's [expltive]. grabs popcorn wait- no, wut? o_O I feel like CCP and Bungie both promised similar experiences (an ever expanding, mmo first person shooter, with deep character customization, rpg elements, and ties to a huge online world) but both tried to deliver it in different ways so it is hard to compare the two. Also, you have to remember that Bungie has more money than CCP, is better known than CCP, has a good understanding of the console gamer, and every person who plays Destiny (after Beta anyways) will have spent anywhere from 40 to 60 dollars in doing so, and they'll probably continue to support the game by buying dlc. CCP on the other hand lost tons of money with world of darkness (and I think another game), isn't well known outside of PC gamers, and brought out Dust 514 as free-to-play. While it is true that some dust bunnies (lol, cute) have spent 40- 200 dollars, I would be willing to bet that the average Dust player has put in somewhere between 0- 10 dollars. So, yeah, I do think Destiny is going to do "better" than Dust, but I don't think it's a fair comparison against CCP.
Michael Arck 4913	Posted - 2014.07.20 04:18:00 - [46] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I still say you're being completely unfair and unrealistic about the whole thing. But hey, to each its own. if dust was a child at a little league game, then I might be being unfair with my criticism... but dust is in the major leagues and it isn't in some childs game where everybody wins... I was fair to dust for over a year, it just doesn't measure up... their is no fair in the real world. You're speaking from a perspective that reeks of bitterness, hard-feelings and regret. Yes it is unfortunate how things turned out but that's not grounds to exaggerate and be completely oblivious to the truths. CCP isn't experienced on consoles like Bungie is. You still combat that very strong point. Developers and production companies, shift and layoff employees all the time. Plenty of games has become vaporware. CCP isn't the first to have these situations happen to them. You still combat that very strong point. Destiny and Dust are two different things that shouldn't even be compared to each other because they attract two different audiences. You still combat that very strong point. And then you end it with "there is no fair in the real world". If you have that knowledge then, why are you bringing up the unfortunate layoff of CCP employees with WOD? Why are you pointing fingers if you understand that truth? So again, you're not being fair about the situation. Meaning, you're not looking at this with objective perspective. You're arguing like a ex girlfriend who is still bitter about her ex boyfriend whom talks about all the bad points but if he called wanting to get back with her, she would accept in a heartbeat. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 665	Posted - 2014.07.20 04:45:00 - [47] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I still say you're being completely unfair and unrealistic about the whole thing. But hey, to each its own. if dust was a child at a little league game, then I might be being unfair with my criticism... but dust is in the major leagues and it isn't in some childs game where everybody wins... I was fair to dust for over a year, it just doesn't measure up... their is no fair in the real world. You're speaking from a perspective that reeks of bitterness, hard-feelings and regret. Yes it is unfortunate how things turned out but that's not grounds to exaggerate and be completely oblivious to the truths. CCP isn't experienced on consoles like Bungie is. You still combat that very strong point. Developers and production companies, shift and layoff employees all the time. Plenty of games has become vaporware. CCP isn't the first to have these situations happen to them. You still combat that very strong point. Destiny and Dust are two different things that shouldn't even be compared to each other because they attract two different audiences. You still combat that very strong point. And then you end it with "there is no fair in the real world". If you have that knowledge then, why are you bringing up the unfortunate layoff of CCP employees with WOD? Why are you pointing fingers if you understand that truth? So again, you're not being fair about the situation. Meaning, you're not looking at this with objective perspective. You're arguing like a ex girlfriend who is still bitter about her ex boyfriend whom talks about all the bad points but if he called wanting to get back with her, she would accept in a heartbeat. I've already countered all these points, if you chose to ignore them and disregard me as a bitter vet with no valid argument, then fine if it makes you feel better, but you're wrong and still blinded by ccp and their shiny promises... all they had to do was hire console experienced people, especially since they were making a game for a console... I said this, as well as logically countered every other point you made, but no... instead I'm just bitter....lol ...and I'm really not... not anymore anyway... I was bitter when I thought ccp was just effing with us, now that I know they are inept, idc... btw read my main post again... I am not comparing dust to destiny... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4486	Posted - 2014.07.20 05:14:00 - [48] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. no game, or movie has ever lived up to the hype... ever... if people these days still believe in hype, and then allow themselves to be disappointed by reality, I feel sorry for them... I don't know. Halo has always managed to be awesome somehow. Dust missed the mark big time, of course. And sadly I feel like Legion is trying to emulate a bit of Destiny with the sandbox area scavenging crap. I worry CCP will attempt to make a half-assed copy of Destiny exploration that is incredibly under budget, and everyone will recognize it for what it is and ditch the game immediately. Of course, Destiny always looks good... visually.... but man this game makes me tired. It's so boring....
Badonk Adonk Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 93	Posted - 2014.07.20 05:54:00 - [49] - Quote Dust is proof of ccp ineptitude.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 667	Posted - 2014.07.20 06:04:00 - [50] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. no game, or movie has ever lived up to the hype... ever... if people these days still believe in hype, and then allow themselves to be disappointed by reality, I feel sorry for them... I don't know. Halo has always managed to be awesome somehow. Dust missed the mark big time, of course. And sadly I feel like Legion is trying to emulate a bit of Destiny with the sandbox area scavenging crap. I worry CCP will attempt to make a half-assed copy of Destiny exploration that is incredibly under budget, and everyone will recognize it for what it is and ditch the game immediately. Of course, Destiny always looks good... visually.... but man this game makes me tired. It's so boring.... none of the weapons have any satisfaction behind using them. They don't feel powerful at all. And at the same time, the enemies themselves feel like they are all made out of paper. I'm not talking about them being too easy on hard or something, I mean the way they look visually, how fast they go down in general compared to something like an elite from Halo on heroic or legendary. There are a few enemies that feel threatening but mostly they all look like uninspired heaps of junkyard trash with no weight, size or teeth to bare. How is it that Bungie has somehow managed to create a game where the enemies feel so pathetic like I can walk all over them, yet at the same time I feel weak because my guns lack any thunderous pop, zap or boom? Destiny just doesn't gel with me cosmetically. Dust may be a crap game but at least it has some weapons that are actually enjoyable to fire and legitimate visual threats. That's priority one in an FPS. After that, everything is negotiable. keep in mind we are only able to reach level 8 (its a beta)...there are 20 levels, and tons of gear and enemies we haven't seen... for low level stuff I say it passes, but I agree that they need to step it up for end game... lets hope they do destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust

Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 367	Posted - 2014.07.20 06:09:00 - [51] - Quote i heard the Beta's not that great. i won't even bother buying a PS4 until I see and hear better things about it i keel you
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 667	Posted - 2014.07.20 06:13:00 - [52] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: i heard the Beta's not that great. i won't even bother buying a PS4 until I see and hear better things about it have you ever heard philly is the city of brotherly love? go there it isn't... find things out for yourself instead of just taking others word... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 3929	Posted - 2014.07.20 06:19:00 - [53] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. no game, or movie has ever lived up to the hype... ever... if people these days still believe in hype, and then allow themselves to be disappointed by reality, I feel sorry for them... I don't know. Halo has always managed to be awesome somehow. Dust missed the mark big time, of course. And sadly I feel like Legion is trying to emulate a bit of Destiny with the sandbox area scavenging crap. I worry CCP will attempt to make a half-assed copy of Destiny exploration that is incredibly under budget, and everyone will recognize it for what it is and ditch the game immediately. Of course, Destiny always looks good... visually.... but man this game makes me tired. It's so boring.... none of the weapons have any satisfaction behind using them. They don't feel powerful at all. And at the same time, the enemies themselves feel like they are all made out of paper. I'm not talking about them being too easy on hard or something, I mean the way they look visually, how fast they go down in general compared to something like an elite from Halo on heroic or legendary. There are a few enemies that feel threatening but mostly they all look like uninspired heaps of junkyard trash with no weight, size or teeth to bare. How is it that Bungie has somehow managed to create a game where the enemies feel so pathetic like I can walk all over them, yet at the same time I feel weak because my guns lack any thunderous pop, zap or boom? Destiny just doesn't gel with me cosmetically. Dust may be a crap game but at least it has some weapons that are actually enjoyable to fire and legitimate visual threats. That's priority one in an FPS. After that, everything is negotiable. keep in mind we are only able to reach level 8 (its a beta)...there are 20 levels, and tons of gear and enemies we haven't seen... for low level stuff I say it passes, but I agree that they need to step it up for end game... lets hope they do I'd say 500 million spent should wield some sht hot results regardless. I'll know if I like it in two days. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4487	Posted - 2014.07.20 07:06:00 - [54] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. no game, or movie has ever lived up to the hype... ever... if people these days still believe in hype, and then allow themselves to be disappointed by reality, I feel sorry for them... I don't know. Halo has always managed to be awesome somehow. Dust missed the mark big time, of course. And sadly I feel like Legion is trying to emulate a bit of Destiny with the sandbox area scavenging crap. I worry CCP will attempt to make a half-assed copy of Destiny exploration that is incredibly under budget, and everyone will recognize it for what it is and ditch the game immediately. Of course, Destiny always looks good... visually.... but man this game makes me tired. It's so boring.... none of the weapons have any satisfaction behind using them. They don't feel powerful at all. And at the same time, the enemies themselves feel like they are all made out of paper. I'm not talking about them being too easy on hard or something, I mean the way they look visually, how fast they go down in general compared to something like an elite from Halo on heroic or legendary. There are a few enemies that feel threatening but mostly they all look like uninspired heaps of junkyard trash with no weight, size or teeth to bare. How is it that Bungie has somehow managed to create a game where the enemies feel so pathetic like I can walk all over them, yet at the same time I feel weak because my guns lack any thunderous pop, zap or boom? Destiny just doesn't gel with me cosmetically. Dust may be a crap game but at least it has some weapons that are actually enjoyable to fire and legitimate visual threats. That's priority one in an FPS. After that, everything is negotiable. keep in mind we are only able to reach level 8 (its a beta)...there are 20 levels, and tons of gear and enemies we haven't seen... for low level stuff I say it passes, but I agree that they need to step it up for end game... lets hope they do It doesn't matter how many levels their are. The art and sound design direction is bad and at high levels will be consistent with lower levels.
Not Jason Pearson 36	Posted - 2014.07.20 07:12:00 - [55] - Quote I'm quite enjoying the pace change honestly. I don't mind that the enemies aren't that difficult, that their weapons mostly track you and there's a **** load of them, that's what makes it more difficult and even occasionally die. If CCP could take the free roam aspect from the game, the bad AI characters (Drones!), Squad v Squad matches and the Speeder? It'd be good, what'd be even better is adding a social area like the Tower, it doesn't even have to be brilliant, just the bar on PSHome, travel around planets and enter the bar there and be able to socialize, it'd make DUST perfect for me.. Oh and add a football to the social area of course. Edit: And get Gina Torres, Nathan Fillion and Peter Dinklage to voice act, we're golden. Not King of the Forums
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10734	Posted - 2014.07.20 07:17:00 - [56] - Quote Nrabatar Zorig wrote: Comparing apples and oranges for the umpeenth time, nothing to see here. That said, Destiny "beta" is a glorified demo at best. How is it comparing apples to oranges? While they don't have the same premise (that would be stupid), they are both still Sci-Fi FPS titles. -HAND
castba Merc-0107 519	Posted - 2014.07.20 08:20:00 - [57] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: They're two different games with entirely different focuses and hilariously different budgets. Why are you trying to compare them? I'm not comparing them... I'm calling out ccp's bs about how the ps3 doesn't have enough power... destiny proves it does... maybe the graphics wont be as pretty as a PC, but there is no excuse for the lack of content and the rough mechanics of dust... it is ccp's fault that dust is so bad... not the ps3... and this means they probably wont succeed with the PC either...yes budget may have a lot to do with it... but that's foreboding as well if ccp doesn't have the money to make what can only be an expensive endeavor... does anyone think that dust/legion can be what ccp dream without spending a ton of money? if you do then it really is a dream.... CCP are more experienced with the PC, just as bungie are more experienced with console. sure the ps3 could have handled dust but CCP were skilled enough to make it work appropriately so they moved it to PC(something they are used to) Dust is CCP's first PS3 game. How many games other than Destiny have Bungie made for PS3? Or do you think that all consoles are the same to program on?
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 839	Posted - 2014.07.20 08:59:00 - [58] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: halo was what 20 years ago? Amarr Master - All Amarr Dropsuits at lvl 5.
TEBOW BAGGINS Defenders of the Helghast Dream Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1129	Posted - 2014.07.20 09:12:00 - [59] - Quote i finally forced myself thru the beginning, i'm not one for scripts so i have no idea what my context is in destiny other than to try loot ammo and kill things. i totally did not pay attention to all the babble going on during the cutscenes. it felt too PG-13ish for my interest. the PVPwas pretty good i thought. the aim is super smooth but i was getting very annoyed with aim assist which seems you can't turn off which imo is gaeyer than sht; we had small children screaming on our mic (i didnt know how to set it yet) and attempting to grief us. and just randoms in your face sending blind friend invites. it felt like play station Home got a really neat makeover..? there seemed an abundance of small children- by small i'm talking 8 y/olds. really tho i saw nothing more than a borderlands with different art really is what it is from first impression. i was pretty burnt out after 1 session but i suppose it does have some appeal. mostly tho it's borderlands with some super glorified loading screens. that said i will probably play it some more. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 256	Posted - 2014.07.20 09:18:00 - [60] - Quote You also have to consider that CCP is excellent at development on the PC. Console is totally new to them thus it was more difficult for them. Bungie on the other hand is a console developing power house. Development on console is second nature for Bungie and if given the resources I'm sure they could have pulled off DUST and its vision on console. Aisha Ctarl if you didn't know

Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 538	Posted - 2014.07.20 10:28:00 - [61] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: They're two different games with entirely different focuses and hilariously different budgets. Why are you trying to compare them? I'm not comparing them... I'm calling out ccp's bs about how the ps3 doesn't have enough power... destiny proves it does... maybe the graphics wont be as pretty as a PC, but there is no excuse for the lack of content and the rough mechanics of dust... it is ccp's fault that dust is so bad... not the ps3... and this means they probably wont succeed with the PC either...yes budget may have a lot to do with it... but that's foreboding as well if ccp doesn't have the money to make what can only be an expensive endeavor... does anyone think that dust/legion can be what ccp dream without spending a ton of money? if you do then it really is a dream.... It actually proves nothing of the sort. Now, I'm really enjoying the Destiny beta, for the record, but in no way is Destiny's customisability even pretending to approach that which we have in DUST. That might be different in full release, but there it is. DUST also contends with much larger maps and more than double the concurrent player count. The only place in Destiny with even 16 players is the Tower, and you can't even double-jump there. The backend of DUST is, therefore, pretty obviously incredibly different to Destiny's, and it's an obscene exaggeration to suggest that just because Destiny is a pretty, PVE 3-man squad FPS with no more customisation than the latest CoD, really, that somehow CCP's assertion that the PS3 is incapable of running DUST the way they want it. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 674	Posted - 2014.07.20 10:43:00 - [62] - Quote Ziiro Celeste wrote: You also have to consider that CCP is excellent at development on the PC. Console is totally new to them thus it was more difficult for them. Bungie on the other hand is a console developing power house. Development on console is second nature for Bungie and if given the resources I'm sure they could have pulled off DUST and its vision on console. all a console is is a less powerful pc... they are both computers.... they even both use the same engins... maybe there are finer points between console and pc to deal with but the premise is the same on a console or a PC... bottom line, if ccp is gonna make a console game then they should have hired people who know how to program on a console, more specifically a ps3... they don't get a pass for not having people who know these things... but I have mentioned this like 3 times already in this thread, but people just keep posting their BS apologist excuses without reading.... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 674	Posted - 2014.07.20 10:55:00 - [63] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: They're two different games with entirely different focuses and hilariously different budgets. Why are you trying to compare them? I'm not comparing them... I'm calling out ccp's bs about how the ps3 doesn't have enough power... destiny proves it does... maybe the graphics wont be as pretty as a PC, but there is no excuse for the lack of content and the rough mechanics of dust... it is ccp's fault that dust is so bad... not the ps3... and this means they probably wont succeed with the PC either...yes budget may have a lot to do with it... but that's foreboding as well if ccp doesn't have the money to make what can only be an expensive endeavor... does anyone think that dust/legion can be what ccp dream without spending a ton of money? if you do then it really is a dream.... It actually proves nothing of the sort. Now, I'm really enjoying the Destiny beta, for the record, but in no way is Destiny's customisability even pretending to approach that which we have in DUST. That might be different in full release, but there it is. DUST also contends with much larger maps and more than double the concurrent player count. The only place in Destiny with even 16 players is the Tower, and you can't even double-jump there. The backend of DUST is, therefore, pretty obviously incredibly different to Destiny's, and it's an obscene exaggeration to suggest that just because Destiny is a pretty, PVE 3-man squad FPS with no more customisation than the latest CoD, really, that somehow CCP's assertion that the PS3 is incapable of running DUST the way they want it. lol you say this here and this: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: You're a scrub <3 God, Destiny is what we wanted DUST to be. CCP, I'm sure you can find a cunning way of 'plagiarising' a little (actually a lot) of Destiny. Add a little PVP to the free roam and we'd be mostly sorted IMO. in another thread.... you have lost all credibility... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1262	Posted - 2014.07.20 14:58:00 - [64] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. Except when the Tractor Maker starts off with statements like "AAA FPS", then perhaps a comparison is in order, if only to remind the formerly boastful about where we all started at, and where they are today. Given the way the legion whatever looked at fanfest, CCP is going to do their best to emulate that shiny aesthetic that is becoming all the rage. I guess if CCP is looking for an upside they can hope that Destiny pulls a Dust, where the beta build is better than everything that followed. Then again, Bungie is not CCP, so ...... Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Cenex Langly Dude.Man.Bro 784	Posted - 2014.07.20 15:18:00 - [65] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: ok, so destiny is just a beta right now, and there are a lot of restrictions on what we can do, like level capped at 8/20 can only go to a few locations, only 2 pvp maps and so on.... but it is already more in depth, larger and runs smoother than dust ever has. this BS that ccp needs to go to PC to do what they want to do has been proven wrong by what bungie has been able to do just with a beta the destiny beta is a more solid game as a BETA than dust is as a release or beta or whatever this is. if only ccp upper management would have hired talented developers of bungie quality from the jump we would have had the most amazing game ever in dust 514. sadly they pinched too many pennies and hired too many 2nd rate developers, and this is evident by the scope of destiny and how smooth it runs on the ps3. shame on you ccp upper management for squandering your opportunity of creating an innovative game on the ps3 that would have had a tremendously large loyal following... now bungie has made a new home for your potential audience. but all is not lost... legion is still a possibility and if you higher the right people and port it to ps4 you may yet garner the audience you have lost to the awesomeness of destiny...(and its just a beta!) Destiny is looking like an AMAZING game. I've already purchased the bundle! (I did not have a ps4 previously). What I can say about it is that their PvP is a bit "Halo"-ish. Nothing wrong with that, but the cool thing is that when one player is lagging they get disconnected IMMEDIATELY. This stops lagging across the entire match. CCP needs to do this and not try to sync everyone. Just drop the lagging person out of the match and when he reloads put him back in the team.. simple. Also, there is a maximum amount of players in the lobby/tower area. That caps at 16, which is interesting, I guess this helps lag. If I didn't mention before, PvP is only 6v6, so that is another reason why there is no lag. The entire game is overall much more FUN to play because the mechanics work. The grenades go where you want them to go. Your hit markers are accurate and your weapon causes damage where you want them. And my god the shotgun has so much kick on it that it actually feels like an accomplishment when you hit someone. The hand cannon (pistol) is a joke but when it hits it hurts. And automatic rifles have lots of kick to them as well. Most of the guns have low ammo before reloading which mean you can't just hold down the trigger for 20 min with a completely accurate shot. Your gun would be shooting in the air somewhere if you did that. All these "little" mechanics are missing from Dust which make Dust completely unrealistic. Anyway... Only another Month and a half before I'm done with this community and game. Cheers! Newb
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6613	Posted - 2014.07.20 15:20:00 - [66] - Quote CCP is proof of CCP's ineptitude. Nothing more. see you space cowboy...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2261	Posted - 2014.07.20 15:40:00 - [67] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: CCP is proof of CCP's ineptitude. Nothing more. Trying to make a cutting edge game with new concepts not really ever in the console, half merging the EVE and DUST players into one universe. Then they build it on UE3... A Game Engine that was published in 2004. Now an 11 year old game engine. And then want to call it a cutting edge game. DUST has always been a Ferrari car body with a Volkswagen beetle engine under the hood. Legion is shaping up to be the same. Destiny, GTA, Fallout etc... All these games use cutting edge game engines to then build their cutting edge game and squeeze the most out of a gaming rig. The UE3 engine makes the entire CCP Shanghai studio a joke.. which is sad.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 323	Posted - 2014.07.20 15:53:00 - [68] - Quote Destiny is a great thing runs smooth nice but... Dust and destin are incredibly different yes the both mmo fps's but there ambitions are different and bungie has a ton of money to do that in consoles. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
R-E-D-R-U-M WRONG-TURN 8	Posted - 2014.07.20 16:32:00 - [69] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: They're two different games with entirely different focuses and hilariously different budgets. Why are you trying to compare them? I'm not comparing them... I'm calling out ccp's bs about how the ps3 doesn't have enough power... destiny proves it does... maybe the graphics wont be as pretty as a PC, but there is no excuse for the lack of content and the rough mechanics of dust... it is ccp's fault that dust is so bad... not the ps3... and this means they probably wont succeed with the PC either...yes budget may have a lot to do with it... but that's foreboding as well if ccp doesn't have the money to make what can only be an expensive endeavor... does anyone think that dust/legion can be what ccp dream without spending a ton of money? if you do then it really is a dream.... CCP are more experienced with the PC, just as bungie are more experienced with console. sure the ps3 could have handled dust but CCP were skilled enough to make it work appropriately so they moved it to PC(something they are used to) When the going gets tough, QUIT! That's CCP's moto! Destiny beta was released with jetpacks,speeders, and 6 maps on day one! Had CCP done the same thing, things would be different. Dusts BIGGEST problem...... No Maps! Boring as fk! Gimme jetpacks, speeders and some new maps and ill drop destiny to the curb like a bag of garbage.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 682	Posted - 2014.07.20 20:39:00 - [70] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Destiny is a great thing runs smooth nice but... Dust and destin are incredibly different yes the both mmo fps's but there ambitions are different and bungie has a ton of money to do that in consoles. sigh...yet another person who didn't read the thread.... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust

Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 707	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:17:00 - [71] - Quote Played Destiny Alpha on PS4 - wasn't impressed, won't be buying - I'd rather play Defiance when it goes free to play later this month, or Bordelands 2 because it's more fun, heck even Dust is more fun. Destiny seems stale already and it's not even released yet.
Midnight Cardinal Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:19:00 - [72] - Quote . . . Wait. Isn't this forum for Dust? Destiny is cool and all but, regardless of what ccp does, this forum is for people to discuss possible improvements, changes, interesting concepts, and new features for DUST 514! You come here to discuss Dust/Legion, whatever, as long as it's part of the Eve universe. Last time I checked, Destiny was not listed in that category! So please move to the Destiny forums for Destiny related conversations. (Call me concieted, stupid, delirious, and whatever interesting insults you can dream up. Unfortunately, it appears I don't give a f**k) Your heart pumps faster, you feel the power and energy of pure adrenaline. You're in my sights, you're gone in a moment.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 683	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:20:00 - [73] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Played Destiny Alpha on PS4 - wasn't impressed, won't be buying - I'd rather play Defiance when it goes free to play later this month, or Bordelands 2 because it's more fun, heck even Dust is more fun. Destiny seems stale already and it's not even released yet. defiance was the worst mmo shooter I ever played.... but the little vehicle you get was cool... interesting you play an alpha and determine its lack of appeal to you.... bit premature if you ask me... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 683	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:21:00 - [74] - Quote Midnight Cardinal wrote: . . . Wait. Isn't this forum for Dust? Destiny is cool and all but, regardless of what ccp does, this forum is for people to discuss possible improvements, changes, interesting concepts, and new features for DUST 514! You come here to discuss Dust/Legion, whatever, as long as it's part of the Eve universe. Last time I checked, Destiny was not listed in that category! So please move to the Destiny forums for Destiny related conversations. (Call me concieted, stupid, delirious, and whatever interesting insults you can dream up. Unfortunately, it appears I don't give a f**k) this thread was dust related... actually read the thread.... destiny isn't close to what dust could have been...neither is dust destiny>dust
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 707	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:23:00 - [75] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Played Destiny Alpha on PS4 - wasn't impressed, won't be buying - I'd rather play Defiance when it goes free to play later this month, or Bordelands 2 because it's more fun, heck even Dust is more fun. Destiny seems stale already and it's not even released yet. defiance was the worst mmo shooter I ever played.... but the little vehicle you get was cool... interesting you play an alpha and determine its lack of appeal to you.... bit premature if you ask me... Um.. fairly sure i'm able to make my own mind up about whether or not the game interests me or not? It's not like i don't want to be playing shiny new games on my PS4.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 707	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:37:00 - [76] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: defiance was the worst mmo shooter I ever played.... oh, to be fair, I didn't think much of Defiance either after playing the Beta - was why I didn't buy it
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2848	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:45:00 - [77] - Quote Honestly I'd rather play FF14.. If I get an fps it's for the pvp nothing less. 6v6 is to small for me but Destiny is a good game not one I'd buy though. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Midnight Cardinal UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 2	Posted - 2014.07.20 23:38:00 - [78] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Midnight Cardinal wrote: . . . Wait. Isn't this forum for Dust? Destiny is cool and all but, regardless of what ccp does, this forum is for people to discuss possible improvements, changes, interesting concepts, and new features for DUST 514! You come here to discuss Dust/Legion, whatever, as long as it's part of the Eve universe. Last time I checked, Destiny was not listed in that category! So please move to the Destiny forums for Destiny related conversations. (Call me concieted, stupid, delirious, and whatever interesting insults you can dream up. Unfortunately, it appears I don't give a f**k) this thread was dust related... actually read the thread.... I did read the thread. The whole thing, wouldn't have made a comment if I hadn't. My point is that on the Dust forums, Dust should be THE topic in 'General Discussions' which translates as 'General Discussions about Dust'. If you want to bring up Destiny, please do it under 'The Locker Room' or in the forums FOR Destiny. Your heart pumps faster, you feel the power and energy of pure adrenaline. You're in my sights, you're gone in a moment.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1723	Posted - 2014.07.20 23:59:00 - [79] - Quote In the interest of making a psst about Dust and how to best improve it I suggest disconnecting it from the tranquility sever and removing it from the Playstation store as the best improvements that can be made to Dust 514 Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
aaaasdff ertgfdd 158	Posted - 2014.07.21 00:33:00 - [80] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. Thats because in its day, 2000, 2001. Nothing like Halo had ever been done. Sure we had some shooters, nott with that multiplayer, that cinema, that drama..... Damnit I want Masterchief back..... Halo 1 on PC will always be the pinnacle for me. Heres a link to a montage I made from my halo 1 pc days..... It was called hpt, halo players tournament..... Pc equivalent. Shooters like that developed the oooooold reflexes..... Montage from 07 Halo 1 CE for PC INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN

Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2014.07.21 00:38:00 - [81] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: ok, so destiny is just a beta right now, and there are a lot of restrictions on what we can do, like level capped at 8/20 can only go to a few locations, only 2 pvp maps and so on.... but it is already more in depth, larger and runs smoother than dust ever has. this BS that ccp needs to go to PC to do what they want to do has been proven wrong by what bungie has been able to do just with a beta the destiny beta is a more solid game as a BETA than dust is as a release or beta or whatever this is. if only ccp upper management would have hired talented developers of bungie quality from the jump we would have had the most amazing game ever in dust 514. sadly they pinched too many pennies and hired too many 2nd rate developers, and this is evident by the scope of destiny and how smooth it runs on the ps3. shame on you ccp upper management for squandering your opportunity of creating an innovative game on the ps3 that would have had a tremendously large loyal following... now bungie has made a new home for your potential audience. but all is not lost... legion is still a possibility and if you higher the right people and port it to ps4 you may yet garner the audience you have lost to the awesomeness of destiny...(and its just a beta!) CCP dont have 500 million budget
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3258	Posted - 2014.07.21 13:54:00 - [82] - Quote A game is a game both made to be fun. The background behind each game makes no difference, either a game is fun or not. Dust is not fun everyone here agrees that much. Destiny is fun and **** me the alpha was more engageing than dust full realease ever was. CCP failed Bungie has not. ccp had every chance to make dust fun they had money and the staff ffs a 5 man studio can make a more fun game than dust thats the truth of matter ccp failed and im out, Iv seen a load of rubbish views here have make me think half of them have not even played it. Defenders of dust are people who bought a crap car that just about works and bitches about his brothers 4v4 landrover because its leather seats are cold. Ita a valid complant till you realise if he sat down for more than second he could see a beast of a landrover vs his rusting kia that just lost its rare tire and the garage wont take it back... Ill stop having way to much fun with that metaphore :-P You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
aaaasdff ertgfdd 159	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:03:00 - [83] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: I'm sick of people saying "Don't compare dust to....." or "This is CCP's first shooter" or even money reasons. DUST 514 was put into the market to compete with other FPS's. So there's NO EXCUSE. I'm sick of hearing all this bull. And go ahead and try to shoot my post down but in reality its true. Im sad about Dust leaving PS3, I think Ccp had some bad luck, some incompetence, and some plain failures. That being said I think Dust does compete with most modern shooters. I play ALL shooters. I dont pretend to hate Call Of Duty as so many here do, its just a diffrent type of game. Its much faster paced than Dust, turn speeds are 2 or 3 x as fast, but I mostly play Dust. I own BF4 premium, COD Ghosts, and actually own ALMOST all the Call Of Dutys. Dust is just Dust, not something id really compare, its unique. Its frustrations, rewards, community, skill tree, dev system, are all very unique to Dust. Ive criticized ccp plenty for developmemt but at the end of the day I log in and shoot..... INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
aaaasdff ertgfdd 159	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:11:00 - [84] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: They're two different games with entirely different focuses and hilariously different budgets. Why are you trying to compare them? I'm not comparing them... I'm calling out ccp's bs about how the ps3 doesn't have enough power... destiny proves it does... maybe the graphics wont be as pretty as a PC, but there is no excuse for the lack of content and the rough mechanics of dust... it is ccp's fault that dust is so bad... not the ps3... and this means they probably wont succeed with the PC either...yes budget may have a lot to do with it... but that's foreboding as well if ccp doesn't have the money to make what can only be an expensive endeavor... does anyone think that dust/legion can be what ccp dream without spending a ton of money? if you do then it really is a dream.... Actually the engine Dust uses has similar terrain glitches on other games. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
Midnight Cardinal UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 4	Posted - 2014.07.22 04:59:00 - [85] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Iv seen a load of rubbish views here have make me think half of them have not even played it. Defenders of dust are people who bought a crap car that just about works and bitches about his brothers 4v4 landrover because its leather seats are cold. Ita a valid complant till you realise if he sat down for more than second he could see a beast of a landrover vs his rusting kia that just lost its rare tire and the garage wont take it back... 1) This didn't make any sense to me. And I listen to, and explain weird analogies and metaphors daily. 2) Why are people who have 'given up' on Dust still posting and playing? Your comments lose all credibility by you simply being here on the Dust forums... Your heart pumps faster, you feel the power and energy of pure adrenaline. You're in my sights, you're gone in a moment.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 970	Posted - 2014.07.22 13:50:00 - [86] - Quote Midnight Cardinal wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Iv seen a load of rubbish views here have make me think half of them have not even played it. Defenders of dust are people who bought a crap car that just about works and bitches about his brothers 4v4 landrover because its leather seats are cold. Ita a valid complant till you realise if he sat down for more than second he could see a beast of a landrover vs his rusting kia that just lost its rare tire and the garage wont take it back... 1) This didn't make any sense to me. And I listen to, and explain weird analogies and metaphors daily. 2) Why are people who have 'given up' on Dust still posting and playing? Your comments lose all credibility by you simply being here on the Dust forums... wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some of us like to chit chat with our old buddies since we are all on different games now. the dust forum provides us with a place to do that in one place. we also like to talk about anime.
Midnight Cardinal UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 5	Posted - 2014.07.22 18:29:00 - [87] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Midnight Cardinal wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Iv seen a load of rubbish views here have make me think half of them have not even played it. Defenders of dust are people who bought a crap car that just about works and bitches about his brothers 4v4 landrover because its leather seats are cold. Ita a valid complant till you realise if he sat down for more than second he could see a beast of a landrover vs his rusting kia that just lost its rare tire and the garage wont take it back... 1) This didn't make any sense to me. And I listen to, and explain weird analogies and metaphors daily. 2) Why are people who have 'given up' on Dust still posting and playing? Your comments lose all credibility by you simply being here on the Dust forums... wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some of us like to chit chat with our old buddies since we are all on different games now. the dust forum provides us with a place to do that in one place. we also like to talk about anime. Thats what PSN and the option to open a chat is for, if you don't have your 'buddy's' PSN account name saved, there is a bit of a problem... Your heart pumps faster, you feel the power and energy of pure adrenaline. You're in my sights, you're gone in a moment.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 971	Posted - 2014.07.23 10:51:00 - [88] - Quote Midnight Cardinal wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Midnight Cardinal wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Iv seen a load of rubbish views here have make me think half of them have not even played it. Defenders of dust are people who bought a crap car that just about works and bitches about his brothers 4v4 landrover because its leather seats are cold. Ita a valid complant till you realise if he sat down for more than second he could see a beast of a landrover vs his rusting kia that just lost its rare tire and the garage wont take it back... 1) This didn't make any sense to me. And I listen to, and explain weird analogies and metaphors daily. 2) Why are people who have 'given up' on Dust still posting and playing? Your comments lose all credibility by you simply being here on the Dust forums... wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some of us like to chit chat with our old buddies since we are all on different games now. the dust forum provides us with a place to do that in one place. we also like to talk about anime. Thats what PSN and the option to open a chat is for, if you don't have your 'buddy's' PSN account name saved, there is a bit of a problem... Im rarely on the PSN anymore chief. I am too busy with RL. It takes less time to open this page and respond to a thread here.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 162	Posted - 2014.07.23 11:06:00 - [89] - Quote This whole thread makes me laugh. Anyone who likes destiny has to be a neckbeard, I cant see how its possible to enjoy a fancy treasure hunt with idiotic bots that do basically no damage. Its like some kind of next gen Easter egg hunt, its ridiculous. The game is awful, beta or not, just accept it. Service with a smile
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 905	Posted - 2014.07.24 11:04:00 - [90] - Quote Dust is the only "proof" you need. Destiny has nothing to do with it. Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others Hit me up for Skype and PSN

Seymor Krelborn Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2402	Posted - 2014.08.01 14:13:00 - [91] - Quote you are too right, me. I couldn't agree more with myself. this game makes me sad....
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 466	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:06:00 - [92] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Don't forget Destiny is one of (maybe the?) most expensive games ever made. They had money to throw around on bells & whistles. All in all, the two are chalk and cheese. Destiny isn't trying to do anything Dust tried to do. That said: Dust failed at everything it tried to do. So everybody come play Destiny I agree that dust was trying to do something totally different than destiny in may ways... but there are many similar elemnts such as being an mmofps, deep character customization What character customization, bro? I played the Destiny BETA as well, there was no 'customization'. I can pick what emblem goes next to my name but does not appear on my character's avatar? So cool! I can unlock stuff as it gets unlocked, in the order it gets unlocked without choosing whether I want to unlock that upgrade or not? So cool! Sure, I could pick between which grenade type I wanted to use but other than that, there was no choice at all in what upgrades I purchased. It was "you've grinded enough, go in here and click on this to stop the stupid Upgrade!!!! notification from flashing. Destiny's PvP maps are bloody tiny, there's no room at all for tactical play, 6v6 is very small teams which also hurts the non-existent capacity for tactical play... it's a nice story, pretty graphics, casual-friendly PvE - and THAT'S what's going to make Destiny a success. CCP is already talking about having casual-friendly PvE in Legion... they don't do casual-friendly PvE well in EVE, their flagship. I think it's a mistake to try to do it in Legion or Valkyrie. But, alas, casual PvE is where the money's at so it's not surprising they're going to try it. As long as the PvP elements (hunting PvE'ers in low/nullsec space and looting their corpses, just like in EvE) are in place they'll do fine. Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 4001	Posted - 2014.08.03 18:57:00 - [93] - Quote What are peoples not getting about how sht destiny is?. Its awful, the biggest pile of hyped crap in ages. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1040	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:30:00 - [94] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: What are peoples not getting about how sht destiny is?. Its awful, the biggest pile of hyped crap in ages. that would be dust.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16092	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:40:00 - [95] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high. This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces. I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor. no game, or movie has ever lived up to the hype... ever... if people these days still believe in hype, and then allow themselves to be disappointed by reality, I feel sorry for them... Halo (the first one) did though back in those days; you had to consider the shiniest golden emblem of FPS on consoles was golden eye... which is not saying much considering the control(ers) where amongst the worst ever designed. Hell even Medal of Honor was terrible to control. Back then most folks doubted Halo's potential and had speculation about it. Halo was for most part something that was not hyped much at all. People still hated microsoft as it recently came fresh out of lawsuits about IE and office; apple was beginning to trend up and the PS2 was the console to have because PS1's popularity. look halo may as well be the game equivalent of the wizard of oz and the hype that surrounded it with "color" in a movie in its day... halo was what 20 years ago? name a game since then... you cant... and that's my point... hype isn't something to buy into this day and age. if you do youre a fool. bunch of small indie games with bare bone budgets. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 4003	Posted - 2014.08.03 23:25:00 - [96] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: What are peoples not getting about how sht destiny is?. Its awful, the biggest pile of hyped crap in ages. that would be dust. You mean both. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
Seymor Krelborn Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2430	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:23:00 - [97] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Don't forget Destiny is one of (maybe the?) most expensive games ever made. They had money to throw around on bells & whistles. All in all, the two are chalk and cheese. Destiny isn't trying to do anything Dust tried to do. That said: Dust failed at everything it tried to do. So everybody come play Destiny I agree that dust was trying to do something totally different than destiny in may ways... but there are many similar elemnts such as being an mmofps, deep character customization What character customization, bro? I played the Destiny BETA as well, there was no 'customization'. I can pick what emblem goes next to my name but does not appear on my character's avatar? So cool! I can unlock stuff as it gets unlocked, in the order it gets unlocked without choosing whether I want to unlock that upgrade or not? So cool! Sure, I could pick between which grenade type I wanted to use but other than that, there was no choice at all in what upgrades I purchased. It was "you've grinded enough, go in here and click on this to stop the stupid Upgrade!!!! notification from flashing. Destiny's PvP maps are bloody tiny, there's no room at all for tactical play, 6v6 is very small teams which also hurts the non-existent capacity for tactical play... it's a nice story, pretty graphics, casual-friendly PvE - and THAT'S what's going to make Destiny a success. CCP is already talking about having casual-friendly PvE in Legion... they don't do casual-friendly PvE well in EVE, their flagship. I think it's a mistake to try to do it in Legion or Valkyrie. But, alas, casual PvE is where the money's at so it's not surprising they're going to try it. As long as the PvP elements (hunting PvE'ers in low/nullsec space and looting their corpses, just like in EvE) are in place they'll do fine. you could only level to 8... it isn't till level 15 you can really customize, but even at 8 you still had options just not many. at first I didn't like destiny pvp but it grew on me, it is very competitive and cutthroat. this game makes me sad....
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1045	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:01:00 - [98] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Right-wing Extremist wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Don't forget Destiny is one of (maybe the?) most expensive games ever made. They had money to throw around on bells & whistles. All in all, the two are chalk and cheese. Destiny isn't trying to do anything Dust tried to do. That said: Dust failed at everything it tried to do. So everybody come play Destiny I agree that dust was trying to do something totally different than destiny in may ways... but there are many similar elemnts such as being an mmofps, deep character customization What character customization, bro? I played the Destiny BETA as well, there was no 'customization'. I can pick what emblem goes next to my name but does not appear on my character's avatar? So cool! I can unlock stuff as it gets unlocked, in the order it gets unlocked without choosing whether I want to unlock that upgrade or not? So cool! Sure, I could pick between which grenade type I wanted to use but other than that, there was no choice at all in what upgrades I purchased. It was "you've grinded enough, go in here and click on this to stop the stupid Upgrade!!!! notification from flashing. Destiny's PvP maps are bloody tiny, there's no room at all for tactical play, 6v6 is very small teams which also hurts the non-existent capacity for tactical play... it's a nice story, pretty graphics, casual-friendly PvE - and THAT'S what's going to make Destiny a success. CCP is already talking about having casual-friendly PvE in Legion... they don't do casual-friendly PvE well in EVE, their flagship. I think it's a mistake to try to do it in Legion or Valkyrie. But, alas, casual PvE is where the money's at so it's not surprising they're going to try it. As long as the PvP elements (hunting PvE'ers in low/nullsec space and looting their corpses, just like in EvE) are in place they'll do fine. you could only level to 8... it isn't till level 15 you can really customize, but even at 8 you still had options just not many. at first I didn't like destiny pvp but it grew on me, it is very competitive and cutthroat. ^ this, this is why the average carebear dust player will not like it. the average duster likes to hide behind his 1000hp armor and shield facing off with some noob who only has 215 hp. it makes them feel better about themselves.
Seymor Krelborn Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2431	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:15:00 - [99] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Right-wing Extremist wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Don't forget Destiny is one of (maybe the?) most expensive games ever made. They had money to throw around on bells & whistles. All in all, the two are chalk and cheese. Destiny isn't trying to do anything Dust tried to do. That said: Dust failed at everything it tried to do. So everybody come play Destiny I agree that dust was trying to do something totally different than destiny in may ways... but there are many similar elemnts such as being an mmofps, deep character customization What character customization, bro? I played the Destiny BETA as well, there was no 'customization'. I can pick what emblem goes next to my name but does not appear on my character's avatar? So cool! I can unlock stuff as it gets unlocked, in the order it gets unlocked without choosing whether I want to unlock that upgrade or not? So cool! Sure, I could pick between which grenade type I wanted to use but other than that, there was no choice at all in what upgrades I purchased. It was "you've grinded enough, go in here and click on this to stop the stupid Upgrade!!!! notification from flashing. Destiny's PvP maps are bloody tiny, there's no room at all for tactical play, 6v6 is very small teams which also hurts the non-existent capacity for tactical play... it's a nice story, pretty graphics, casual-friendly PvE - and THAT'S what's going to make Destiny a success. CCP is already talking about having casual-friendly PvE in Legion... they don't do casual-friendly PvE well in EVE, their flagship. I think it's a mistake to try to do it in Legion or Valkyrie. But, alas, casual PvE is where the money's at so it's not surprising they're going to try it. As long as the PvP elements (hunting PvE'ers in low/nullsec space and looting their corpses, just like in EvE) are in place they'll do fine. you could only level to 8... it isn't till level 15 you can really customize, but even at 8 you still had options just not many. at first I didn't like destiny pvp but it grew on me, it is very competitive and cutthroat. ^ this, this is why the average carebear dust player will not like it. the average duster likes to hide behind his 1000hp armor and shield facing off with some noob who only has 215 hp. it makes them feel better about themselves. lets also not forget that the average carebear dust player is also just a bad gamer and cant be taken seriously. ever. this game makes me sad....
TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 4006	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:17:00 - [100] - Quote ^Because auto aim is competitive eh?. The above stated is the average gamer nowadays. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.

TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 4006	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:22:00 - [101] - Quote Iv been playing total war:Rome 2 and although its much better than on release and has tonnes of mods that should be in the game as standard anyway, the multiplayer is a whole new level of scrub. So far, people have either quit or laid down rules to make the match 'epic', only to find upon start that they have simply stated rules to guarantee a win. Example...... City assault, host says "no archers and artillery". So I thought " sweet, he wants an actual battle with pikes and horsemen". Those battles are loads of fun and were prevalent with the Hellenic cultures. Anyway we started and his whole army were archers, horse archers and fking catapults.........I hope it was worth the extra +1 to his stats lol. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
Seymor Krelborn Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2433	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:08:00 - [102] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: ^Because auto aim is competitive eh?. The above stated is the average gamer nowadays. no woman no cry. this game makes me sad....
TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 4008	Posted - 2014.08.05 03:22:00 - [103] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: ^Because auto aim is competitive eh?. The above stated is the average gamer nowadays. no woman no cry. No dice mate. 1/10. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1441	Posted - 2014.09.11 10:13:00 - [104] - Quote I strongly agree/disagree with something stated here and this post is in no way a bump. We'll bang, OK?


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