Don't forget Destiny is one of (maybe the?) most expensive games ever made. They had money to throw around on bells & whistles.

All in all, the two are chalk and cheese. Destiny isn't trying to do anything Dust tried to do.
That said: Dust failed at everything it tried to do. So everybody come play Destiny

ugh i don't even have time for this...

Comparing apples and oranges for the umpeenth time, nothing to see here.

That said, Destiny "beta" is a glorified demo at best.

Dunno most folks I been talking about feel its not going to beat its own hype which it has set the hype bar pretty high.

This is not the case as it was with Halo; a game that smashed it own hype into pieces.

I would also like to say it is rather unfair to compare a lamborghini to the john deer tractor.

Halo (the first one) did though back in those days; you had to consider the shiniest golden emblem of FPS on consoles was golden eye... which is not saying much considering the control(ers) where amongst the worst ever designed. Hell even Medal of Honor was terrible to control. Back then most folks doubted Halo's potential and had speculation about it. Halo was for most part something that was not hyped much at all. People still hated microsoft as it recently came fresh out of lawsuits about IE and office; apple was beginning to trend up and the PS2 was the console to have because PS1's popularity.

They're two different games with entirely different focuses and hilariously different budgets. Why are you trying to compare them?

Let's not forget which company did the halo series and which has more experience and disposable money in the fps department...

Excuse? So experience and money not to mention being a top selling game company has nothing to do with it? I'm not making excuses just a clear observation any person can make.

There is nothing mmo about these fps, either of them. Destiny is significantly less lobby than dust thank God but mmo it is not.

MMO = "massively multiplayer online"

4 people in a room together isn't 'massively multiplayer' it's just 'multiplayer online'.

Oh wow! six people outside the lobby area!! that's *totally* massive compared to games like world of warcraft where 500 people can all be fighting in the same area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game just gunna drop this here so you can actually attempt to comprehend the term you're misusing.

This is unfair.

First, I judge games majority of the time individually. If we start comparing game A to game B, we would see plenty of problems.

Second, a developer company has to know its strong points because hey, they are in business to provide entertainment for profit. They just didn't simply "hire" people to build this game just because they love video games. With that said, CCP is more experienced with PCs. When have they ever dealt with consoles besides this first time?

Also, did we also put into account maybe there were some troubles getting the patches out according to Sony's rules?

And lastly, if Legion is greenlit, if we look to EVE for a guide we can theorize that Legion will be a mature highly in depth world that we can sink our teeth into.

I'm enjoying Destiny. It's great. But its also a little bit "soft" in its presentation. Dust is gritty. Maturer. Sophisticated. Things aren't rosy in New Eden. In Destiny, you know the darkness is seeking to destroy the world, but its all expressed to you in a PG, made for tv and kids video game. Not to take anything away from Destiny. But I enjoy that Dust offers a more mature taste for me.

This is why I support CCP in creating Legion. I know that they are more experienced in PC. I know that hotfixes and patches can come out in a "on demand" like fashion instead of waiting for weeks for a company to clear it. I know it can run seamlessly with EVE. Just from watching the lil video in FF, you can see the sophistication and the complete vision of that gritty New Eden universe that the ground forces fight in.

So let's keep these two games separate. Dust could not be fully realized on limited hardware that is difficult to develop on in the first place.

What you're going to do next if you like No Man's Sky more? Compare that to Destiny and tell Bungie how they completely flubbed it?

I still say you're being completely unfair and unrealistic about the whole thing. But hey, to each its own.

You're speaking from a perspective that reeks of bitterness, hard-feelings and regret. Yes it is unfortunate how things turned out but that's not grounds to exaggerate and be completely oblivious to the truths.

CCP isn't experienced on consoles like Bungie is. You still combat that very strong point.

Developers and production companies, shift and layoff employees all the time. Plenty of games has become vaporware. CCP isn't the first to have these situations happen to them. You still combat that very strong point.

Destiny and Dust are two different things that shouldn't even be compared to each other because they attract two different audiences. You still combat that very strong point.

And then you end it with "there is no fair in the real world". If you have that knowledge then, why are you bringing up the unfortunate layoff of CCP employees with WOD? Why are you pointing fingers if you understand that truth?

So again, you're not being fair about the situation. Meaning, you're not looking at this with objective perspective. You're arguing like a ex girlfriend who is still bitter about her ex boyfriend whom talks about all the bad points but if he called wanting to get back with her, she would accept in a heartbeat.

I don't know. Halo has always managed to be awesome somehow.

Dust missed the mark big time, of course. And sadly I feel like Legion is trying to emulate a bit of Destiny with the sandbox area scavenging crap. I worry CCP will attempt to make a half-assed copy of Destiny exploration that is incredibly under budget, and everyone will recognize it for what it is and ditch the game immediately.


Of course, Destiny always looks good... visually.... but man this game makes me tired. It's so boring.... none of the weapons have any satisfaction behind using them. They don't feel powerful at all. And at the same time, the enemies themselves feel like they are all made out of paper. I'm not talking about them being too easy on hard or something, I mean the way they look visually, how fast they go down in general compared to something like an elite from Halo on heroic or legendary.

There are a few enemies that feel threatening but mostly they all look like uninspired heaps of junkyard trash with no weight, size or teeth to bare. How is it that Bungie has somehow managed to create a game where the enemies feel so pathetic like I can walk all over them, yet at the same time I feel weak because my guns lack any thunderous pop, zap or boom? Destiny just doesn't gel with me cosmetically.

Dust may be a crap game but at least it has some weapons that are actually enjoyable to fire and legitimate visual threats. That's priority one in an FPS. After that, everything is negotiable.

i heard the Beta's not that great.

i won't even bother buying a PS4 until I see and hear better things about it

You also have to consider that CCP is excellent at development on the PC. Console is totally new to them thus it was more difficult for them.

Bungie on the other hand is a console developing power house. Development on console is second nature for Bungie and if given the resources I'm sure they could have pulled off DUST and its vision on console.

It actually proves nothing of the sort.

Now, I'm really enjoying the Destiny beta, for the record, but in no way is Destiny's customisability even pretending to approach that which we have in DUST. That might be different in full release, but there it is. DUST also contends with much larger maps and more than double the concurrent player count.

The only place in Destiny with even 16 players is the Tower, and you can't even double-jump there.

The backend of DUST is, therefore, pretty obviously incredibly different to Destiny's, and it's an obscene exaggeration to suggest that just because Destiny is a pretty, PVE 3-man squad FPS with no more customisation than the latest CoD, really, that somehow CCP's assertion that the PS3 is incapable of running DUST the way they want it.

You're a scrub <3


God, Destiny is what we wanted DUST to be.

CCP, I'm sure you can find a cunning way of 'plagiarising' a little (actually a lot) of Destiny.

Add a little PVP to the free roam and we'd be mostly sorted IMO.

Destiny is a great thing runs smooth nice but... Dust and destin are incredibly different yes the both mmo fps's but there ambitions are different and bungie has a ton of money to do that in consoles.

Played Destiny Alpha on PS4 - wasn't impressed, won't be buying - I'd rather play Defiance when it goes free to play later this month, or Bordelands 2 because it's more fun, heck even Dust is more fun.

Destiny seems stale already and it's not even released yet.

. . . Wait. Isn't this forum for Dust? Destiny is cool and all but, regardless of what ccp does, this forum is for people to discuss possible improvements, changes, interesting concepts, and new features for DUST 514! You come here to discuss Dust/Legion, whatever, as long as it's part of the Eve universe. Last time I checked, Destiny was not listed in that category! So please move to the Destiny forums for Destiny related conversations.
(Call me concieted, stupid, delirious, and whatever interesting insults you can dream up. Unfortunately, it appears I don't give a f**k)