Oh wow! six people outside the lobby area!! that's *totally* massive compared to games like world of warcraft where 500 people can all be fighting in the same area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game just gunna drop this here so you can actually attempt to comprehend the term you're misusing.

This is unfair.

First, I judge games majority of the time individually. If we start comparing game A to game B, we would see plenty of problems.

Second, a developer company has to know its strong points because hey, they are in business to provide entertainment for profit. They just didn't simply "hire" people to build this game just because they love video games. With that said, CCP is more experienced with PCs. When have they ever dealt with consoles besides this first time?

Also, did we also put into account maybe there were some troubles getting the patches out according to Sony's rules?

And lastly, if Legion is greenlit, if we look to EVE for a guide we can theorize that Legion will be a mature highly in depth world that we can sink our teeth into.

I'm enjoying Destiny. It's great. But its also a little bit "soft" in its presentation. Dust is gritty. Maturer. Sophisticated. Things aren't rosy in New Eden. In Destiny, you know the darkness is seeking to destroy the world, but its all expressed to you in a PG, made for tv and kids video game. Not to take anything away from Destiny. But I enjoy that Dust offers a more mature taste for me.

This is why I support CCP in creating Legion. I know that they are more experienced in PC. I know that hotfixes and patches can come out in a "on demand" like fashion instead of waiting for weeks for a company to clear it. I know it can run seamlessly with EVE. Just from watching the lil video in FF, you can see the sophistication and the complete vision of that gritty New Eden universe that the ground forces fight in.

So let's keep these two games separate. Dust could not be fully realized on limited hardware that is difficult to develop on in the first place.

What you're going to do next if you like No Man's Sky more? Compare that to Destiny and tell Bungie how they completely flubbed it?

This is unfair.

First, I judge games majority of the time individually. If we start comparing game A to game B, we would see plenty of problems.

Second, a developer company has to know its strong points because hey, they are in business to provide entertainment for profit. They just didn't simply "hire" people to build this game just because they love video games. With that said, CCP is more experienced with PCs. When have they ever dealt with consoles besides this first time?

Also, did we also put into account maybe there were some troubles getting the patches out according to Sony's rules?

And lastly, if Legion is greenlit, if we look to EVE for a guide we can theorize that Legion will be a mature highly in depth world that we can sink our teeth into.

I'm enjoying Destiny. It's great. But its also a little bit "soft" in its presentation. Dust is gritty. Maturer. Sophisticated. Things aren't rosy in New Eden. In Destiny, you know the darkness is seeking to destroy the world, but its all expressed to you in a PG, made for tv and kids video game. Not to take anything away from Destiny. But I enjoy that Dust offers a more mature taste for me.

This is why I support CCP in creating Legion. I know that they are more experienced in PC. I know that hotfixes and patches can come out in a "on demand" like fashion instead of waiting for weeks for a company to clear it. I know it can run seamlessly with EVE. Just from watching the lil video in FF, you can see the sophistication and the complete vision of that gritty New Eden universe that the ground forces fight in.

So let's keep these two games separate. Dust could not be fully realized on limited hardware that is difficult to develop on in the first place.

What you're going to do next if you like No Man's Sky more? Compare that to Destiny and tell Bungie how they completely flubbed it?

I still say you're being completely unfair and unrealistic about the whole thing. But hey, to each its own.

I'm not comparing them... I'm calling out ccp's bs about how the ps3 doesn't have enough power... destiny proves it does...

maybe the graphics wont be as pretty as a PC, but there is no excuse for the lack of content and the rough mechanics of dust... it is ccp's fault that dust is so bad... not the ps3... and this means they probably wont succeed with the PC either...yes budget may have a lot to do with it... but that's foreboding as well if ccp doesn't have the money to make what can only be an expensive endeavor... does anyone think that dust/legion can be what ccp dream without spending a ton of money? if you do then it really is a dream....

I suggest anyone under the age of 18 to exit this thread, as there will be a lot of gargling on CCP's [expltive].

if dust was a child at a little league game, then I might be being unfair with my criticism... but dust is in the major leagues and it isn't in some childs game where everybody wins... I was fair to dust for over a year, it just doesn't measure up...

their is no fair in the real world.

You're speaking from a perspective that reeks of bitterness, hard-feelings and regret. Yes it is unfortunate how things turned out but that's not grounds to exaggerate and be completely oblivious to the truths.

CCP isn't experienced on consoles like Bungie is. You still combat that very strong point.

Developers and production companies, shift and layoff employees all the time. Plenty of games has become vaporware. CCP isn't the first to have these situations happen to them. You still combat that very strong point.

Destiny and Dust are two different things that shouldn't even be compared to each other because they attract two different audiences. You still combat that very strong point.

And then you end it with "there is no fair in the real world". If you have that knowledge then, why are you bringing up the unfortunate layoff of CCP employees with WOD? Why are you pointing fingers if you understand that truth?

So again, you're not being fair about the situation. Meaning, you're not looking at this with objective perspective. You're arguing like a ex girlfriend who is still bitter about her ex boyfriend whom talks about all the bad points but if he called wanting to get back with her, she would accept in a heartbeat.

no game, or movie has ever lived up to the hype... ever... if people these days still believe in hype, and then allow themselves to be disappointed by reality, I feel sorry for them...

I don't know. Halo has always managed to be awesome somehow.

Dust missed the mark big time, of course. And sadly I feel like Legion is trying to emulate a bit of Destiny with the sandbox area scavenging crap. I worry CCP will attempt to make a half-assed copy of Destiny exploration that is incredibly under budget, and everyone will recognize it for what it is and ditch the game immediately.


Of course, Destiny always looks good... visually.... but man this game makes me tired. It's so boring.... none of the weapons have any satisfaction behind using them. They don't feel powerful at all. And at the same time, the enemies themselves feel like they are all made out of paper. I'm not talking about them being too easy on hard or something, I mean the way they look visually, how fast they go down in general compared to something like an elite from Halo on heroic or legendary.

There are a few enemies that feel threatening but mostly they all look like uninspired heaps of junkyard trash with no weight, size or teeth to bare. How is it that Bungie has somehow managed to create a game where the enemies feel so pathetic like I can walk all over them, yet at the same time I feel weak because my guns lack any thunderous pop, zap or boom? Destiny just doesn't gel with me cosmetically.

Dust may be a crap game but at least it has some weapons that are actually enjoyable to fire and legitimate visual threats. That's priority one in an FPS. After that, everything is negotiable.

i heard the Beta's not that great.

i won't even bother buying a PS4 until I see and hear better things about it

keep in mind we are only able to reach level 8 (its a beta)...there are 20 levels, and tons of gear and enemies we haven't seen... for low level stuff I say it passes, but I agree that they need to step it up for end game... lets hope they do

keep in mind we are only able to reach level 8 (its a beta)...there are 20 levels, and tons of gear and enemies we haven't seen... for low level stuff I say it passes, but I agree that they need to step it up for end game... lets hope they do

Comparing apples and oranges for the umpeenth time, nothing to see here.

That said, Destiny "beta" is a glorified demo at best.

CCP are more experienced with the PC, just as bungie are more experienced with console. sure the ps3 could have handled dust but CCP were skilled enough to make it work appropriately so they moved it to PC(something they are used to)

halo was what 20 years ago?