wow, just wow.

this is a tad delayed mate.

In short what Dust was meant to be will be Legion on PC.

Legion is not green lit yet, so it might not ever get to see the light of day. If it does, there is no guarantee that it will ever come back to a console, and what will or will not make the transition from your Dust to Legion accounts is up in the air.

Dust has a limited life span and will see limited improvement going forward.

Basically CCP jumped the gun with the Legion announcement.

The problem was there was Sony exec's in the Audience that here there for the Valkyrie project advancement as Project Morpheus is depending on CCP to deliver a game for their platform.

When CCP mismanaged their words at the conference and keynote speech about DUST and how Legion is their main focus, Sony withdrew their generous discount for PSN updates.

So that's it, it's no longer cheaper for CCP to update everyone's Playstation. So now they have to pay a bit AND go through the whole Sony Q&A process..

This prompted CCP Shanghai to make the announcement that they had no more plans for client side Updates. They will commit to server side Updates that do not require to go through the PSN process.

Which is what we are getting in the Hotfixes.


I HOPE CCP isn't that silly.. Content is money for them in a F2p model.. I Hope they are thinking about some dumbed down Legion maps for DUST(seeing how they are using the same engine) SO we can battle test them now.

Heavy weapon variants.. Again so they can be tested. AND GET PAID NOW FOR IT's DEVELOPMENT. Rattati can balance it later.

And Most we are hoping CCP is actually willing to MARKET their game to new players... By developing a PROPER NPE. and PROPER advertisement rather then a banner add here or there...

No one knows about this product, and if they do? it's all 3rd person info. which never bodes well.

ah. but would we be able to play on the PC with our current accounts?

They never agreed to anything like that...

Pretty much they said the "Mark you left in the sand will carry over to Legion".. Referring to the sandbox.

We don't know if SP, ISK.. much of anything will be transferred to Legion. just a vague promise. Which equates to nothing from CCP.

But let's detach our personal emotions and feelings about our hard earned SP and think from CCP's shoes trying to build and develop a balanced persistent FPS game... How do you transfer players over with 60-80 million skillpoints+ over without causing HUGE MASSIVE issues. Personally I can't think of a way to do it without nerfing them somehow or saying SCREW YOU to everyone joining in to the brand new game.


Next is... Dust 514 is on PS3... A completely unique platform.. No matter if Legion is a success on the PC and get's ported to the PS4... DUST still is a product that is in it's own market, not directly competing with any of their products.

PS3 is being supported by SOny for next 3 years with new titles comming out for each of those years.. there are 90 million playstation 3's in the world.. They just don't get thrown in the garbage..

DUST as a business decision will be on the ps3 for a while... If they market it in Emerging markets that are now accepting the PS3 technology as a more standard entertainment system as it is affordable now(A PS4 in Brazil is 1800 dollars) ... I don't see DUST going anywhere for a year or two.


So what would you do with all the character data on DUST? when legion started... How could you fulfill your promise of keeping the "Marks in the sand" that players have made. Realistically I Don't see them transferring 60m skillpoint+ characters over to Legion. and then trying to make them fit into their new game.

They will give you something.. From DUST.. And probably some other bonuses... because it makes sense as a business to give incentives.. specially digital ones that cost you minimal capital.

Whats going on?

Best guess is that the population of players on dust will dwindle due to destiny and about 5/6 other good looking games coming out around September-October, player migration to ps4, etc

then I believe dust will close.

I expect it to carry on til then as player interest and willingness to pay for things will drive it to the last breath.

or to re-phrase... they will milk this cow dry.

ccp is a company and as such a minimal cost with any profit will only stop when it needs to.

Basically, CCP told Dust players that were never going to get the game that they were promised on PS3. Hence, they made the announcement that they were developing Legion which basically brought about two problems:
1. In effect, this signaled Dust was living on borrowed time, and
2. They did this while promoting a project (Legion) as the replacement for Dust...but did so before Legion is an actual product.

With focus now shifting to a project that may or may not ever come to fruition, resources and talent have been diverted away from Dust and into Legion, with CCP making the decision to abandon the patch updating strategy with Dust (I don't know the details if this was entirely CCP-made or a fall-out with Sony) and instead focus on smaller tweaks that can impact the game's balance. In essence, CCP has now gone from over-promising and under-delivering to actually trying to make Dust an enjoyable game by working with what is actually in the game instead of trying to introduce more and more items/features to paper over the game's deficiencies.

So long as you're willing to simply enjoy playing a free game with friends--and not worried about what the future holds for Dust--the game has been greatly improved from where it was just two months ago.

Ya so i was looking at the video and noticed that they were talking about Project Legion for half the video. the other half, or 1/4 of the video, you guys said that your focus atm is keeping a balance of the game. I been hearing lots of people talk about how legion is killing dust 514 and all that **** (I don't believe that because the players online numbers are the same).

It seems that you guys are giving up on dust 514. That CEO dude said that "the only way to realize that vision, is to go on PC".

Whats going on?

There was no Dust514 keynote on the fanfest. And Yes they gave up Dust514 cause there wont be anymore client updates which translates to "no new content ever again". Rattati and the CPM's are just there to motivate AUR sales. Just look at the caldari scout for example and its scan precision bonus:

-scan precision bonus gets moved from the caldari scout to the amarr scout
-amarr scout is the least used scout cause of its useless bonus
-lots of veteran players specced into them for competetive reasons/FOTM

Alone by announcing this CCP pushed the veteran players to buy AUR boosters to get the needed SP in time to spec into the amarr scout (roughly 2.8 mil SP required) when the "hotfix hits the server. Ya know tripple SP events are not just the only way to get people buying AUR/boosters. You can aswell use the tool to flip the balance upside down.

Or we just want to level the playing field, make the game enjoyable with as few OP suits as possible so players enjoy the game and aren't forced into FOTM fits because their preferred fit simple isn't viable.

Those tinfoil hats may come in handy one day...

Or we just want to level the playing field, make the game enjoyable with as few OP suits as possible so players enjoy the game and aren't forced into FOTM fits because their preferred fit simple isn't viable.

Those tinfoil hats may come in handy one day...

... How do you transfer players over with 60-80 million skillpoints+ over without causing HUGE MASSIVE issues. Personally I can't think of a way to do it without nerfing them somehow or saying SCREW YOU to everyone joining in to the brand new game.

a noble goal....but as of yet, an illusive one.

Indeed. Leveling the playing field is impossible. Somebody is always going to be smarter and better than the next person. How can CCP change that? They can't.

Chasing unicorns.

Too easy. New Legion characters start with 50,000,000SP and skills start at 1,500,000SP to learn.
That way all of us silly console players that threw money at dust will get to keep our SP and may also get a slight advantage if we grind from here on out.
Also a perceived benefit to "low" SP (<20m SP) dust players would be getting 10's of millions of SP just for moving to legion. Sure they would be starting over, but perception is everything...

id rather get more content than this next hotfix even if i have to wait 6-9months for it

Your a real person?

You can't... be.. ...No one could look at that problem with that many complex variables.. and just be like.. Well lets give EVERYONE s.hit tons of SP then.

Easy fix right? (Sarcasim)

LIke WooooooooooooooW.

DUST's forum discussions about balance in a nuttshell right there. Like my gawd...


*P.S* and if your goal is to make a shark pool for only sharks... This creates a much bigger problem then characters that simply have alot of SP.... it creates a player skill gap that you could never balance. And having a group of players that perpetually play each other will drop all of their stats and eventually leave the walls of the pool pointless, as sharks will start to make their way into kiddie pools.

Thanks for making my brain hurt trying to even get into your world.

Now I have to go and eat some aspirin just to look at my screen in a non blurred state.

lol no. there is a HUGE difference between the 2 comparisons

How do you know? Where is the SP reward and progression shown for legion? Why assume it will be the same as Dust? Particularly as CCP have already stated and shown a very different skill progression.

what i'm sayin is that it would be ****** up. alot of hard effort and time was put into this ****.

no I don't think that you were aiming it at me, I just replied.

as to people still paying,
in a world where people will waste over -ú100 just on drink on a single night out, when they could throw parties for similar amounts..
or spend stupid amounts of cash on smoking, or magazines that they throw away, or any other multitude of ways they enjoy, I won't be condemning anybody for spending money on a dead end game, if they enjoy it.

can't say that personally I'm even slightly interested in legion I'm not a pc gamer either way, but if people chose to believe it will be out on the p.c that's their choice, as for ps4 versions.. ccp already said that they wouldn't even look into til they perfected the p.c version
given how much improvement has happened following small hotfixes, compared to the mess being made during the uprising period, if you do believe they will perfect the p.c game you have much more faith than I do (again not specifically you.)
in other words I'm kinda in agreement with you about data transfer

as for ccp rattati, people believe he's doing a good job, understandable the game has gotten better and is still improving.
he has been replying to people on here which is more than can be said for rouge, et al
(maybe it is a cash grab, but then all games are)
doesn't really mean the overall impression of ccp has improved though.


out of curiosity.. do you still play the game?

Well then you're an idiot and seriously know nothing of the current balance issues amongst suits.

Edit: sorry that was rude.

Currently assaults are not PC viable and the cal scout runs the whole show. We desperately need this next hotfix.

Regardless of the issues Dust might have had these past two years it is still the most enjoyable FPS I have ever played. If Legion becomes what Dust was always supposed to be I will be happy because I still love the idea of Dust/Legion and its potential is amazing.

CCP is still trying to make the game we have all wanted to play for so long even if that requires a shift to PC so be it. At last they are not canceling this game or concept completely. Many other companies would have ended the project and then I would truly be sad.

Or we just want to level the playing field, make the game enjoyable with as few OP suits as possible so players enjoy the game and aren't forced into FOTM fits because their preferred fit simple isn't viable.

Those tinfoil hats may come in handy one day...

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Ive played a few times since "the day", most recently about a week ago. Still got stuck on the terrain, still got shifted from side to side out of nowhere, still had grenades that i began cooking disappear, still had weapons not switch over, guns not reload. I gave up on balance a while ago, at best small sections of Dust can be balanced at once, never the entire package. But if I still can't climb stairs, or rely on my grenade to deploy or a gun to reload, I don't see any improvment. Don't get me wrong, I put up with it for a while, but when the glorious "big picture" got thrown in the trash, the negatives suddenly and totally out weighed the positives for me.

If thats the case why do i have the feeling that we are going to get another SP event either just before the hotfix drops or stright after it (+/- 1 week)? It is not hard to see trough the tricks to get people buying stuff. Its similar like with a grocery store where bread, milk and eggs are usually on the opposite side of the market where you have to get past all of the other products to encourage the customers to buy more then they initially intended.

If thats the case why do i have the feeling that we are going to get another SP event either just before the hotfix drops or stright after it (+/- 1 week)? It is not hard to see trough the tricks to get people buying stuff. Its similar like with a grocery store where bread, milk and eggs are usually on the opposite side of the market where you have to get past all of the other products to encourage the customers to buy more then they initially intended.

Or we just want to level the playing field, make the game enjoyable with as few OP suits as possible so players enjoy the game and aren't forced into FOTM fits because their preferred fit simple isn't viable.

Those tinfoil hats may come in handy one day...