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Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 291	Posted - 2014.07.15 00:31:00 - [31] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: Ya so i was looking at the video and noticed that they were talking about Project Legion for half the video. the other half, or 1/4 of the video, you guys said that your focus atm is keeping a balance of the game. I been hearing lots of people talk about how legion is killing dust 514 and all that **** (I don't believe that because the players online numbers are the same). It seems that you guys are giving up on dust 514. That CEO dude said that "the only way to realize that vision, is to go on PC". Whats going on? There was no Dust514 keynote on the fanfest. And Yes they gave up Dust514 cause there wont be anymore client updates which translates to "no new content ever again". Rattati and the CPM's are just there to motivate AUR sales. Just look at the caldari scout for example and its scan precision bonus: -scan precision bonus gets moved from the caldari scout to the amarr scout -amarr scout is the least used scout cause of its useless bonus -lots of veteran players specced into them for competetive reasons/FOTM Alone by announcing this CCP pushed the veteran players to buy AUR boosters to get the needed SP in time to spec into the amarr scout (roughly 2.8 mil SP required) when the "hotfix hits the server. Ya know tripple SP events are not just the only way to get people buying AUR/boosters. You can aswell use the tool to flip the balance upside down. Or we just want to level the playing field, make the game enjoyable with as few OP suits as possible so players enjoy the game and aren't forced into FOTM fits because their preferred fit simple isn't viable. Those tinfoil hats may come in handy one day... a noble goal....but as of yet, an illusive one. Indeed. Leveling the playing field is impossible. Somebody is always going to be smarter and better than the next person. How can CCP change that? They can't. Chasing unicorns.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 546	Posted - 2014.07.15 00:39:00 - [32] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: Ya so i was looking at the video and noticed that they were talking about Project Legion for half the video. the other half, or 1/4 of the video, you guys said that your focus atm is keeping a balance of the game. I been hearing lots of people talk about how legion is killing dust 514 and all that **** (I don't believe that because the players online numbers are the same). It seems that you guys are giving up on dust 514. That CEO dude said that "the only way to realize that vision, is to go on PC". Whats going on? There was no Dust514 keynote on the fanfest. And Yes they gave up Dust514 cause there wont be anymore client updates which translates to "no new content ever again". Rattati and the CPM's are just there to motivate AUR sales. Just look at the caldari scout for example and its scan precision bonus: -scan precision bonus gets moved from the caldari scout to the amarr scout -amarr scout is the least used scout cause of its useless bonus -lots of veteran players specced into them for competetive reasons/FOTM Alone by announcing this CCP pushed the veteran players to buy AUR boosters to get the needed SP in time to spec into the amarr scout (roughly 2.8 mil SP required) when the "hotfix hits the server. Ya know tripple SP events are not just the only way to get people buying AUR/boosters. You can aswell use the tool to flip the balance upside down. Or we just want to level the playing field, make the game enjoyable with as few OP suits as possible so players enjoy the game and aren't forced into FOTM fits because their preferred fit simple isn't viable. Those tinfoil hats may come in handy one day... I have often said true balance is smoke and mirrors because you can never balance the player and at any time any item can appear OP in the right hands. a noble goal....but as of yet, an illusive one. Indeed. Leveling the playing field is impossible. Somebody is always going to be smarter and better than the next person. How can CCP change that? They can't. Chasing unicorns.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2219	Posted - 2014.07.15 01:10:00 - [33] - Quote castba wrote: Bethhy wrote: ... How do you transfer players over with 60-80 million skillpoints+ over without causing HUGE MASSIVE issues. Personally I can't think of a way to do it without nerfing them somehow or saying SCREW YOU to everyone joining in to the brand new game. Too easy. New Legion characters start with 50,000,000SP and skills start at 1,500,000SP to learn. That way all of us silly console players that threw money at dust will get to keep our SP and may also get a slight advantage if we grind from here on out. Also a perceived benefit to "low" SP (<20m SP) dust players would be getting 10's of millions of SP just for moving to legion. Sure they would be starting over, but perception is everything... Your a real person? You can't... be.. ...No one could look at that problem with that many complex variables.. and just be like.. Well lets give EVERYONE s.hit tons of SP then. Easy fix right? (Sarcasim) LIke WooooooooooooooW. DUST's forum discussions about balance in a nuttshell right there. Like my gawd... P.S and if your goal is to make a shark pool for only sharks... This creates a much bigger problem then characters that simply have alot of SP.... it creates a player skill gap that you could never balance. And having a group of players that perpetually play each other will drop all of their stats and eventually leave the walls of the pool pointless, as sharks will start to make their way into kiddie pools.
Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 678	Posted - 2014.07.15 01:29:00 - [34] - Quote Larry Desmo wrote: id rather get more content than this next hotfix even if i have to wait 6-9months for it Well then you're an idiot and seriously know nothing of the current balance issues amongst suits. Edit: sorry that was rude. Currently assaults are not PC viable and the cal scout runs the whole show. We desperately need this next hotfix. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
castba Merc-0107 511	Posted - 2014.07.15 02:32:00 - [35] - Quote Bethhy wrote: castba wrote: Bethhy wrote: ... How do you transfer players over with 60-80 million skillpoints+ over without causing HUGE MASSIVE issues. Personally I can't think of a way to do it without nerfing them somehow or saying SCREW YOU to everyone joining in to the brand new game. Too easy. New Legion characters start with 50,000,000SP and skills start at 1,500,000SP to learn. That way all of us silly console players that threw money at dust will get to keep our SP and may also get a slight advantage if we grind from here on out. Also a perceived benefit to "low" SP (<20m SP) dust players would be getting 10's of millions of SP just for moving to legion. Sure they would be starting over, but perception is everything... Your a real person? You can't... be.. ...No one could look at that problem with that many complex variables.. and just be like.. Well lets give EVERYONE s.hit tons of SP then. Easy fix right? (Sarcasim) LIke WooooooooooooooW. DUST's forum discussions about balance in a nuttshell right there. Like my gawd... P.S and if your goal is to make a shark pool for only sharks... This creates a much bigger problem then characters that simply have alot of SP.... it creates a player skill gap that you could never balance. And having a group of players that perpetually play each other will drop all of their stats and eventually leave the walls of the pool pointless, as sharks will start to make their way into kiddie pools. If a new legion character starts with 50m SP instead of the current 1m (or whatever it is now) and the cheapest skill to get to lvl 1 is 1.5m SP instead of 12k (or so), letting dust characters bring over their dust SP (60 mil using your example) would allow new legion players to be competitive from the get go yet give dust players a very slight advantage whilst still sticking to their word "all SP will be retained". A "sh.t ton of SP" it is not a lot if skills cost a "sh.t ton of SP" to purchase. I mentioned nothing of item/suit balance and there is no way to balance player skill (nor should there be). Also, there is more than one "your" and they have different meanings, so if you must try to insult me, please take the time use the correct one. Thanks.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2221	Posted - 2014.07.15 02:53:00 - [36] - Quote castba wrote: Bethhy wrote: castba wrote: Bethhy wrote: ... How do you transfer players over with 60-80 million skillpoints+ over without causing HUGE MASSIVE issues. Personally I can't think of a way to do it without nerfing them somehow or saying SCREW YOU to everyone joining in to the brand new game. Too easy. New Legion characters start with 50,000,000SP and skills start at 1,500,000SP to learn. That way all of us silly console players that threw money at dust will get to keep our SP and may also get a slight advantage if we grind from here on out. Also a perceived benefit to "low" SP (<20m SP) dust players would be getting 10's of millions of SP just for moving to legion. Sure they would be starting over, but perception is everything... Your a real person? You can't... be.. ...No one could look at that problem with that many complex variables.. and just be like.. Well lets give EVERYONE s.hit tons of SP then. Easy fix right? (Sarcasim) LIke WooooooooooooooW. DUST's forum discussions about balance in a nuttshell right there. Like my gawd... P.S and if your goal is to make a shark pool for only sharks... This creates a much bigger problem then characters that simply have alot of SP.... it creates a player skill gap that you could never balance. And having a group of players that perpetually play each other will drop all of their stats and eventually leave the walls of the pool pointless, as sharks will start to make their way into kiddie pools. If a new legion character starts with 50m SP instead of the current 1m (or whatever it is now) and the cheapest skill to get to lvl 1 is 1.5m SP instead of 12k (or so), letting dust characters bring over their dust SP (60 mil using your example) would allow new legion players to be competitive from the get go yet give dust players a very slight advantage whilst still sticking to their word "all SP will be retained". A "sh.t ton of SP" it is not a lot if skills cost a "sh.t ton of SP" to purchase. I mentioned nothing of item/suit balance and there is no way to balance player skill (nor should there be). Also, there is more than one "your" and they have different meanings, so if you must try to insult me, please take the time use the correct one. Thanks. Thanks for making my brain hurt trying to even get into your world. Now I have to go and eat some aspirin just to look at my screen in a non blurred state.
castba Merc-0107 511	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:01:00 - [37] - Quote Bethhy wrote: castba wrote: Bethhy wrote: castba wrote: Bethhy wrote: ... How do you transfer players over with 60-80 million skillpoints+ over without causing HUGE MASSIVE issues. Personally I can't think of a way to do it without nerfing them somehow or saying SCREW YOU to everyone joining in to the brand new game. Too easy. New Legion characters start with 50,000,000SP and skills start at 1,500,000SP to learn. That way all of us silly console players that threw money at dust will get to keep our SP and may also get a slight advantage if we grind from here on out. Also a perceived benefit to "low" SP (<20m SP) dust players would be getting 10's of millions of SP just for moving to legion. Sure they would be starting over, but perception is everything... Your a real person? You can't... be.. ...No one could look at that problem with that many complex variables.. and just be like.. Well lets give EVERYONE s.hit tons of SP then. Easy fix right? (Sarcasim) LIke WooooooooooooooW. DUST's forum discussions about balance in a nuttshell right there. Like my gawd... P.S and if your goal is to make a shark pool for only sharks... This creates a much bigger problem then characters that simply have alot of SP.... it creates a player skill gap that you could never balance. And having a group of players that perpetually play each other will drop all of their stats and eventually leave the walls of the pool pointless, as sharks will start to make their way into kiddie pools. If a new legion character starts with 50m SP instead of the current 1m (or whatever it is now) and the cheapest skill to get to lvl 1 is 1.5m SP instead of 12k (or so), letting dust characters bring over their dust SP (60 mil using your example) would allow new legion players to be competitive from the get go yet give dust players a very slight advantage whilst still sticking to their word "all SP will be retained". A "sh.t ton of SP" it is not a lot if skills cost a "sh.t ton of SP" to purchase. I mentioned nothing of item/suit balance and there is no way to balance player skill (nor should there be). Also, there is more than one "your" and they have different meanings, so if you must try to insult me, please take the time use the correct one. Thanks. Thanks for making my brain hurt trying to even get into your world. Now I have to go and eat some aspirin just to look at my screen in a non blurred state. I will help. Hypothetically Legion SP =/= Dust SP. Just as Eve isk =/= Dust isk. Make sense?
Senator Snipe Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 170	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:15:00 - [38] - Quote [/quote] I will help. Hypothetically Legion SP =/= Dust SP. Just as Eve isk =/= Dust isk. Make sense?[/quote] lol no. there is a HUGE difference between the 2 comparisons My forge skills are unmatchable. It's not that i lose battles, its just that sometimes i don't feel like winning them.
castba Merc-0107 511	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:19:00 - [39] - Quote Senator Snipe wrote: Quote: I will help. Hypothetically Legion SP =/= Dust SP. Just as Eve isk =/= Dust isk. Make sense? lol no. there is a HUGE difference between the 2 comparisons How do you know? Where is the SP reward and progression shown for legion? Why assume it will be the same as Dust? Particularly as CCP have already stated and shown a very different skill progression.
Senator Snipe Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 170	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:22:00 - [40] - Quote castba wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: Quote: I will help. Hypothetically Legion SP =/= Dust SP. Just as Eve isk =/= Dust isk. Make sense? lol no. there is a HUGE difference between the 2 comparisons How do you know? Where is the SP reward and progression shown for legion? Why assume it will be the same as Dust? Particularly as CCP have already stated and shown a very different skill progression. what i'm sayin is that it would be **** up. alot of hard effort and time was put into this **. My forge skills are unmatchable. It's not that i lose battles, its just that sometimes i don't feel like winning them.

castba Merc-0107 511	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:50:00 - [41] - Quote Senator Snipe wrote: castba wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: Quote: I will help. Hypothetically Legion SP =/= Dust SP. Just as Eve isk =/= Dust isk. Make sense? lol no. there is a HUGE difference between the 2 comparisons How do you know? Where is the SP reward and progression shown for legion? Why assume it will be the same as Dust? Particularly as CCP have already stated and shown a very different skill progression. what i'm sayin is that it would be **** up. alot of hard effort and time was put into this **. Absolutely... Probably nothing to worry about, I mean it is not like CCP to screw around with the Dust player base.
Glass Bowtie Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.07.15 05:39:00 - [42] - Quote Snake Sellors wrote: no I don't think that you were aiming it at me, I just replied. as to people still paying, in a world where people will waste over -ú100 just on drink on a single night out, when they could throw parties for similar amounts.. or spend stupid amounts of cash on smoking, or magazines that they throw away, or any other multitude of ways they enjoy, I won't be condemning anybody for spending money on a dead end game, if they enjoy it. can't say that personally I'm even slightly interested in legion I'm not a pc gamer either way, but if people chose to believe it will be out on the p.c that's their choice, as for ps4 versions.. ccp already said that they wouldn't even look into til they perfected the p.c version given how much improvement has happened following small hotfixes, compared to the mess being made during the uprising period, if you do believe they will perfect the p.c game you have much more faith than I do (again not specifically you.) in other words I'm kinda in agreement with you about data transfer as for ccp rattati, people believe he's doing a good job, understandable the game has gotten better and is still improving. he has been replying to people on here which is more than can be said for rouge, et al (maybe it is a cash grab, but then all games are) doesn't really mean the overall impression of ccp has improved though. out of curiosity.. do you still play the game? Ive played a few times since "the day", most recently about a week ago. Still got stuck on the terrain, still got shifted from side to side out of nowhere, still had grenades that i began cooking disappear, still had weapons not switch over, guns not reload. I gave up on balance a while ago, at best small sections of Dust can be balanced at once, never the entire package. But if I still can't climb stairs, or rely on my grenade to deploy or a gun to reload, I don't see any improvment. Don't get me wrong, I put up with it for a while, but when the glorious "big picture" got thrown in the trash, the negatives suddenly and totally out weighed the positives for me.
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 765	Posted - 2014.07.15 05:47:00 - [43] - Quote Regardless of the issues Dust might have had these past two years it is still the most enjoyable FPS I have ever played. If Legion becomes what Dust was always supposed to be I will be happy because I still love the idea of Dust/Legion and its potential is amazing. CCP is still trying to make the game we have all wanted to play for so long even if that requires a shift to PC so be it. At last they are not canceling this game or concept completely. Many other companies would have ended the project and then I would truly be sad. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2014.07.15 05:58:00 - [44] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Larry Desmo wrote: id rather get more content than this next hotfix even if i have to wait 6-9months for it Well then you're an idiot and seriously know nothing of the current balance issues amongst suits. Edit: sorry that was rude. Currently assaults are not PC viable and the cal scout runs the whole show. We desperately need this next hotfix. pc is a broken system ahead of its time , whats viable in pc dosnt matter when we need a basic pve based sandbox system, pc sucks, tell me whats the point of owning a district?
Glass Bowtie Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.07.15 06:31:00 - [45] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Regardless of the issues Dust might have had these past two years it is still the most enjoyable FPS I have ever played. If Legion becomes what Dust was always supposed to be I will be happy because I still love the idea of Dust/Legion and its potential is amazing. CCP is still trying to make the game we have all wanted to play for so long even if that requires a shift to PC so be it. At last they are not canceling this game or concept completely. Many other companies would have ended the project and then I would truly be sad. My fear (whether I am indeed right or not) is that CCP isn't trying to make the game we wanted to play. The newer people need to understand CCPs behavior. My dead main (DunkMujunk, RIP you sexxy bastardd) would have been a year old at the end of the month. I played nearly every day, religiously, all the way up until the begining of may (i think it was may) when FF14 hit, just before my birthday (thanks CCP, good to know you care). Up to that point I had taken probably around 3 weeks away from Dust, aboit a week and a half each for 1.7 and 1.8, and only missed 2 caps throught the almost year (maybe 4, at the most). I was well worn down by that point, as most vets were. The flaylock and md patch, one of my first, was just hell, the aim assist patch, which totally changed everything, and the following patches completely changed things even more, then 1.7 tank storm, followed by 1.8 which in my opinion just devistated the game. The worst part was the whole time CCP kept talking about all this new stuff that was right around the corner, and how great it was, and soon tm, and markets and player trading and corp shared assets and null sec pc. Then the latest patch notes would come out and it was mostly trash. Little fixes and number changes that, while sometimes helpful, usually resulted in a back to square one situation. Each patch pushed the game further and further from where we were told it was suppose to go. But even as CCP pushed AUR on vets so they could stay up to date on the required skills each new patch, we stuck it through. Plenty of mumbling and grumbling, but there was a beautiful end game, at the time at least. Then FF14 hit and CCP gave its most hardcore,dedicated Dust fan base a giant f you. Not only did they sht all over us, they took what seemed like personal offense to our anger and, in a series of posts or documents or whatever they were from CCP that somehow got out, they basically told us to go fck ourselves. I won't lie, it hurt. I loved the idea, loved the people I played with, and loved the game for its potential. With out the potential, Dust is nothing. The worst part is people were saying damn near exactly what I am saying as they walked out the Dust door nearly a year ago as I was walking in. CCP has been very consistent in its behavior. And now, to see people still getting strung along, told these tall tales of future gaming greatness, it makes me mad. Not at you new guys, or the vets who stayed, but CCP. In my opinion, Legion will not happen, CCP knows it will not happen, and while Dust may not be making a ton of money, I feel it is still profiting, and once it isn't Dust/Legion will cease to exist. I feel a decent part of this is EVE being unwilling to give any control of their playground away, and members of CCP who are EVE players themselves do not want to see EVE lose even a little bit of control over tranquility. That last chunk was all my opinion. And to CCP Ratatti (I know I always spell your name wrong, but this time was not on purpose), you got a hell of a job given to you, and I know you are doing just that, your job. But I believe your company is knowingly betraying the trust placed in your company by this new generation, and I have trouble seeing any blue tag as anyting other than a propoganda machine. I would suggest the new folks do some research, there is a ton of material hidden away in these forums, use the search button, find out what those guys with 400k likes were saying back when they had 2 likes, see how the same issues have plagued the game from nearly day 1, see how changing the game for the new, low sp people will result in a giant circle when all you guys start hitting 25/35 mil sp, see the Biomass Mega Thread that has been hidden away from everyone in the locker room (we lost a lot of good clones), see my transformation from a young eager merc into a soul-less, bitter, veteran troll. Its all there. What happened was suppose to be remembered. It want suppose to take center stage forever, but it wasnt suppose to be forgotten, and it damn sure was not suppose to be hidden. sigh I..........sighshakes head.........i'm done. Dunk Mujunk The bond is greater than all Task Master of the Saggy Pants Boys Early Dropship wrestling enthusiast Proud member of RestlessSpirits R1P And now, just a faded name from the past. o7
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3539	Posted - 2014.07.15 12:16:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: Ya so i was looking at the video and noticed that they were talking about Project Legion for half the video. the other half, or 1/4 of the video, you guys said that your focus atm is keeping a balance of the game. I been hearing lots of people talk about how legion is killing dust 514 and all that **** (I don't believe that because the players online numbers are the same). It seems that you guys are giving up on dust 514. That CEO dude said that "the only way to realize that vision, is to go on PC". Whats going on? There was no Dust514 keynote on the fanfest. And Yes they gave up Dust514 cause there wont be anymore client updates which translates to "no new content ever again". Rattati and the CPM's are just there to motivate AUR sales. Just look at the caldari scout for example and its scan precision bonus: -scan precision bonus gets moved from the caldari scout to the amarr scout -amarr scout is the least used scout cause of its useless bonus -lots of veteran players specced into them for competetive reasons/FOTM Alone by announcing this CCP pushed the veteran players to buy AUR boosters to get the needed SP in time to spec into the amarr scout (roughly 2.8 mil SP required) when the "hotfix hits the server. Ya know tripple SP events are not just the only way to get people buying AUR/boosters. You can aswell use the tool to flip the balance upside down. Or we just want to level the playing field, make the game enjoyable with as few OP suits as possible so players enjoy the game and aren't forced into FOTM fits because their preferred fit simple isn't viable. Those tinfoil hats may come in handy one day... If thats the case why do i have the feeling that we are going to get another SP event either just before the hotfix drops or stright after it (+/- 1 week)? It is not hard to see trough the tricks to get people buying stuff. Its similar like with a grocery store where bread, milk and eggs are usually on the opposite side of the market where you have to get past all of the other products to encourage the customers to buy more then they initially intended.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 183	Posted - 2014.07.15 17:47:00 - [47] - Quote Glass Bowtie wrote: [ Ive played a few times since "the day", most recently about a week ago. Still got stuck on the terrain, still got shifted from side to side out of nowhere, still had grenades that i began cooking disappear, still had weapons not switch over, guns not reload. I gave up on balance a while ago, at best small sections of Dust can be balanced at once, never the entire package. But if I still can't climb stairs, or rely on my grenade to deploy or a gun to reload, I don't see any improvment. Don't get me wrong, I put up with it for a while, but when the glorious "big picture" got thrown in the trash, the negatives suddenly and totally out weighed the positives for me. fair enough really, unfortunately we haven't seen much in the way of bug fixes, in theory because it'll be a case of balance it before they fix it, ...in theory... I was around for the fanfest bs, yes it was as bad as he says people. ccp were laying it on thick about exciting announcements for dust players at fanfest, to the point where we were all expecting a pve mode etc, people were buying sp boosters, some people even went all the way to Iceland for this exciting dust news.... please bear in mind dust is ps3 exclusive... the exciting news during the dust 514 keynote speech was this we are announcing legion it includes a full pve mode and increased graphics, etc. (it was dust with a pve mode included) there are no intentions to make this on the ps4, or the ps3. we are aiming at the pc players namely the guys who play eve. this will be a separate game to dust and there won't be any crossover.(at the time they had no intention to carry sp over to it.) as for dust we will now work on balancing the game, but there will be no more new content as we will be "laser focused" on legion. (that took 40 mins of the 1hr dust keynote). and that was it. after months of build up. I'm just saying this to point out that I know and understand why people became bitter towards ccp, and I don't blame them. I carried on playing whilst a lot of players that I knew biomassed there and then. I nearly stopped myself but I made the decision to stay for the guys I play alongside, and I will say that in my opinion .ccp rattati has been doing a good job balancing the game via hotfixes so far, he listens to the players well .ccp probably won't be doing anything other than what they said, but you never know for certain . dust is probably now in a position of on the back burner, if legion doesn't get the green light or anything else goes wrong, this will be there to come back to, (possibly if this game shows more promise too, but that is not at all likely) .the game has improved recently as far as gameplay is concerned. . I will carry on playing until the guys I play with don't. and last of all, this is a free game, if you resist the temptation to spend then there is no need to.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 628	Posted - 2014.07.15 17:55:00 - [48] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: If thats the case why do i have the feeling that we are going to get another SP event either just before the hotfix drops or stright after it (+/- 1 week)? It is not hard to see trough the tricks to get people buying stuff. Its similar like with a grocery store where bread, milk and eggs are usually on the opposite side of the market where you have to get past all of the other products to encourage the customers to buy more then they initially intended. Because people will *** and complain regardless? FOTM chasers will want a respec and cry, even though balancing is good for the game. I skilled into GalScout roughly 1.4. Come Hotfix Alpha and I get a nerf...to my EWar, which is why I spec'd into it in the first place. I don't want to respec, but balancing is essential, even if it's a naive dream. SP events are a middle ground between a respec and leaving people with a legitimate complaint out in the cold. Need to buy a booster? Not even slightly. With the current method of doing SP events (5x active, 3x cap) you're still getting a ** ton more SP to play with than you would otherwise, even without a booster. Alt of Halla Murr.
Gemini Cuspid 113	Posted - 2014.07.15 20:21:00 - [49] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: Ya so i was looking at the video and noticed that they were talking about Project Legion for half the video. the other half, or 1/4 of the video, you guys said that your focus atm is keeping a balance of the game. I been hearing lots of people talk about how legion is killing dust 514 and all that **** (I don't believe that because the players online numbers are the same). It seems that you guys are giving up on dust 514. That CEO dude said that "the only way to realize that vision, is to go on PC". Whats going on? There was no Dust514 keynote on the fanfest. And Yes they gave up Dust514 cause there wont be anymore client updates which translates to "no new content ever again". Rattati and the CPM's are just there to motivate AUR sales. Just look at the caldari scout for example and its scan precision bonus: -scan precision bonus gets moved from the caldari scout to the amarr scout -amarr scout is the least used scout cause of its useless bonus -lots of veteran players specced into them for competetive reasons/FOTM Alone by announcing this CCP pushed the veteran players to buy AUR boosters to get the needed SP in time to spec into the amarr scout (roughly 2.8 mil SP required) when the "hotfix hits the server. Ya know tripple SP events are not just the only way to get people buying AUR/boosters. You can aswell use the tool to flip the balance upside down. Or we just want to level the playing field, make the game enjoyable with as few OP suits as possible so players enjoy the game and aren't forced into FOTM fits because their preferred fit simple isn't viable. Those tinfoil hats may come in handy one day... If thats the case why do i have the feeling that we are going to get another SP event either just before the hotfix drops or stright after it (+/- 1 week)? It is not hard to see trough the tricks to get people buying stuff. Its similar like with a grocery store where bread, milk and eggs are usually on the opposite side of the market where you have to get past all of the other products to encourage the customers to buy more then they initially intended. I hate to say (and I expect to get fully flogged and burned on this) but it is one of the times you are wrong on how SP events work Rattati. This is how I observed the events in the past and, unless I am really utterly wrong, I believe most players will agree. You announce an SP event and lots of players show up during the event ranging from the rookie to the hardcore veteran. The veteran pops in and has a relatively carefree time unless he encounters good corps otherwise the traditional hierarchy of who gets points and what are experienced corps > experienced players > less experienced corps > rookies. It's a short list, I admit, but when we had the million man SP event I was ambushed by a spawn in the corner by one rookie and in the sequence of the 40 seconds that ensued I added 5 kills to my total. At some level I knew it was because I was running a proto setup and, at the other end, they were running militia. At the end of the events the overall data you get is that veterans that are bunched to a lone wolf player can easily cap out their daily and weekly SP's and will sometimes continue playing because, as any person who played Dust may/may not admit, when your on a hot streak you sometimes just continue playing and with a huge influx of rookie on the field, what else to inflate that sense of ego we all have. At the end of the skill point event, yes everyone gets a bonus for the event but the veterans are capped out also and then some. The rookies get the 2 mil in SP but it came at the expense of being walked all over on and may not have gotten even their weekly capped. I recall seeing tons of 0/double-digit deaths in that event and that WAS painful to see. If we think how the matchmaking works and how players from veterans to rookies play, it's safe to say that while SP events are intended to diminish the gap between the 2, it's easier for veterans to just proto~walk over rookies and make it harder for them to cap anything. IF the proto is always having the superior edge, then it's a bit of a fools logic to assume it helps the militia runner as much; those 2M in SP's can help someone get to a better wpn or suit but those same skill points helps the vet get armor, shield, or wpn range bonuses as well as unloch additional proto armor. That's essentially why SP events don't have the nominal effect we may wish them to have; they create community excitement but create massive rage quits and were really where you saw stomping at its finest. I'd also even add fits and what to spec into isn't either fun or exciting for vets right now. No one, for example, likes to have particular fits messed up and mangled since day one. I've run during the beta test assault suits and that was painful to run. I've run logi for over a year and that was even more painful when you consider the state of scouts then and heavies now. While I know and am NOT asking asking for a fit to not be touched/"fixed"/nerfed with, I also know if I'm sitting on 10m SP there's no guarantee that if I allocate it into armor, next month there will be a change that makes shield tanking 3x superior to armor. Not probably going to happen but we all have the legitimate fear because it's happened: motion sensors, cloaks, scouts, AR's, swarms, etc. In some cases its fine when they are changed but sometimes the changes are made that are just horrid.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3561	Posted - 2014.07.16 00:28:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: Ya so i was looking at the video and noticed that they were talking about Project Legion for half the video. the other half, or 1/4 of the video, you guys said that your focus atm is keeping a balance of the game. I been hearing lots of people talk about how legion is killing dust 514 and all that **** (I don't believe that because the players online numbers are the same). It seems that you guys are giving up on dust 514. That CEO dude said that "the only way to realize that vision, is to go on PC". Whats going on? There was no Dust514 keynote on the fanfest. And Yes they gave up Dust514 cause there wont be anymore client updates which translates to "no new content ever again". Rattati and the CPM's are just there to motivate AUR sales. Just look at the caldari scout for example and its scan precision bonus: -scan precision bonus gets moved from the caldari scout to the amarr scout -amarr scout is the least used scout cause of its useless bonus -lots of veteran players specced into them for competetive reasons/FOTM Alone by announcing this CCP pushed the veteran players to buy AUR boosters to get the needed SP in time to spec into the amarr scout (roughly 2.8 mil SP required) when the "hotfix hits the server. Ya know tripple SP events are not just the only way to get people buying AUR/boosters. You can aswell use the tool to flip the balance upside down. Or we just want to level the playing field, make the game enjoyable with as few OP suits as possible so players enjoy the game and aren't forced into FOTM fits because their preferred fit simple isn't viable. Those tinfoil hats may come in handy one day... Ofcourse they are handy! They protect me from mind controlling radio waves emitted by your sattelites that are fueled with ice cream.



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