Try not to get too crazy with pure damage output- remember you just adjusted everything because TTK was too low.

I never stopped using assaults all you need is a good gun. Though I guess that'll make it easy for me to tell the difference. I look forward to it.

I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray.

Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject.

Buff assault? Yes.

Call the assault the counter to the heavy? No.

The heavy is the only suit in the game that has one definable role and nothing else. You don't get to make a counter to the heavy unless it's another suit with only one definable role.

Try not to get too crazy with pure damage output- remember you just adjusted everything because TTK was too low.

I don't think that's what he meant I took it as buffing assaults as a counter to nerfing heavies not that assaults should be the counter to heavies.

I don't think that's what he meant I took it as buffing assaults as a counter to nerfing heavies not that assaults should be the counter to heavies.

I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray.

Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject.

I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray.

Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject.

What about the Shotgun scout?

I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray.

I want to start off with the fact that I have been a dedicated heavy since the launch of chromosome. I swear that I will ***** slap anyone with my hmg that calls me a fotm chaser. Apparently anyone who is running a proto heavy and hmg is fotm, what overnight? Get real people. We all know how long it takes to build sp to spec that far.

I will not deny that an hmg slays suits in its optimum range. It's a mini gun. If it didn't, it would be highly unrealistic and a complete joke to have a gun in a game of that caliber that isn't very effective.

Now in my experience, heading outside the 40-45+ m range the hmgs spread is large enough that a heavy needs to expel a large supply of their clip to put someone down, that is of course the individual does not turn tail and run away. Also at the range most, if not all, rifles should do enough damage to make the heavy want to get to cover or risk taking too much damage and being too weak to engage another encounter without a good chunk of time to rep oneself.

I do not agree that a range nerf is warranted. It's small enough as is and most maps are open enough with enough high ground to take advantage of a heavies slow speed and small optimal range.

What I am willing to see is a reduction to overall clip size. With a reduced clip size, it will reduce the overall killing potential per clip with continuous spray. It will force heavies to think twice of spraying outside its optimum range as it would force a reload quicker and potentially put a heavy in a bad position. Reload time for heavies are long enough, even with the animation Sprint break. My lowest recommendation for clip size would 300-350.

Secondly I am willing to see an increase to heat build up for non burst variants. Forcing a heavy to manage heat build up while being a door buster will sperate dedicated heavies from those that might have spec for "crutch". Burst variants, as of 1.8 post hotfix alpha, can easily overheat with multiple target engagements. It's a skill shot weapon close range with strafing targets.

I will never agree that the heavy suit needs a tweak while assault suits are underpowered with their intended role. Ccps main focus should be on the assault suit and implementing a change to give them life within this game. Once this happens and new data can be obtained, if the heavy and their weapon are "OP" then I'm for tweaks to balance.

Considering a recent "discussion" I had, the only the thing that the shotgun scout is a counter to is a scrub (which is me, apparently)...


Anyway, I think shotgun scouts ought to be able to counter each racial heavy, but a lack of an armour-biased shotty inhibits it.

Your wallet gets fat from making WP - so Logi would be making more - not the heavy who gets the least amount of WP of any class.

Heavy isnot too OP.
but...

GÇ+GÇ+GÇ+HMG is very very OPGÇ+GÇ+GÇ+

LOL

I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray.

Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject.