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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:32:00 -
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give me the best sales pitch you've got.
to me, the most important thing is i want to know what games I'll be able to play other than Legion
i've never been a PC gamer. I've been a console gamer for almost 20 years and I never really bothered/had time for PC gaming
i'd also like to know what computer you have, how much it cost, how much you usually spend to upgrade it
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:38:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
PC gaming is cool. |
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:43:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
PC gaming is cool.
It's also more time consuming, expensive, and generally a hassle to someone who would much rather just play the first-party games on consoles. For example if I decide to buy an Xbox One it's the only way I will be able to play Halo, which might appeal to me more than Legion.
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:45:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS |
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:47:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS
but will it sacrifice other things like the quality of HD graphics
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Vance Alken
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:48:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS
But I have a 120hz monitor...
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:49:00 -
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Vance Alken wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS But I have a 120hz monitor...
Hmm. I guess there are also terms I need to familiarize myself with if I go for a gaming PC. Not sure how Hz affects FPS.
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:51:00 -
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In all seriousness though (as obviously there is no way at this early stage that we can predict exactly what the framerate will be on any potential system setup) PC gaming and console gaming are different beasts. The discussion/debate/irrational screaming matches can be found all over the internet so I won't go too much into it here.
I would say it is not more time-consuming, however - you can sink just as many hours into consoles as PCs, and in my experience downloading patches and updates on PS3 has proven to be just as much of a hassle if not more so than automatically updating my PC games on Steam, for example.
I can say though that if you bought yourself PC capable of playing Legion with whatever specs it needs at launch, then you will more than likely be able to play every PC game that has been released since the dawn of PC gaming (using DOSBox and so on if needed) and almost definitely every Windows XP+ and later game, so you would be opening yourself up to one of the - if not the single most - largest backlogs in videogaming.
Plus I have gone through periods where I had the PC in the lounge hooked up to the TV, with a wireless mouse and keyboard for regular gaming and an Xbox 360 controller for console-like gaming, playing amazing looking 1080p games in full resolution with great framerates...
So yeah, I'd love to be able to tell you the frame rate etc you can expect from Project Legion, but this is very much in the 'we don't know' stage (remember, the game is not even greenlit yet!). |
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
349
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:52:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Vance Alken wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS But I have a 120hz monitor... Hmm. I guess there are also terms I need to familiarize myself with if I go for a gaming PC. Not sure how Hz affects FPS.
Check this out to explain the difference:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_7.html |
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:59:00 -
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I appreciate the input Blowout
I might consider buying a gamer PC after I establish how much time I will have for it (if this college accepts me).
Plus I have my video game hating girlfriend to contend with.
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.14 07:07:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:I appreciate the input Blowout
I might consider buying a gamer PC after I establish how much time I will have for it (if this college accepts me).
Plus I have my video game hating girlfriend to contend with.
I used my PC all the way through university and the only real upgrade I needed to do was to buy a graphics card - I didn't run everything at max settings super awesome all the time, but the same thing that was churning out assignments in MS Word let me play games in 'glorious' 3D as well...
PC gaming can be a matter of as much or as little as you want to spend and you will reap the rewards accordingly. You can get AMD/NVIDIA-powered gaming laptops for the same price as a PS4, which have HDMI output for playing on HD TVs. They will run everything, but just not as beautifully. And while we are on the subject, I would hate to try get MS Office running on a PS4. |
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2014.05.14 07:12:00 -
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Blowout, do you a: have a twitter feed (I feel like it'd be great fun) and b: what do you do at CCP?
MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
VOTE 1 CCP BLOWOUT
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.14 07:14:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Blowout, do you a: have a twitter feed (I feel like it'd be great fun) and b: what do you do at CCP?
I do have a Twitter account although I don't use it very much.
I am hired by CCP to ensure things do not get too serious around here! International mod of hysteri. |
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2634
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Posted - 2014.05.14 07:39:00 -
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#1 When your PC start getting old, you dont throw it in the trash, you upgrade it (for a lower price than getting a whole new PC).
#2 Huge backlog of single player games for you to play.
#3 Past gen console emulators, you can play FF7/FF8 and other games with graphical filters to make the games look really good.
#4 Bigger choice of controls (Keyboard/controller/joystick/VR headset).
#5 Steam box is a PC in a console format.
This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
658
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Posted - 2014.05.14 08:56:00 -
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Wow its easy to sell someone on PCs and PC gaming.
For a modest investment - You get all of those amazing pc games out there....
[Legion - in the future]
Starcraft 2
EVE Online
All of your usual AAA titles that you expect on consoles barring one or two
Steam and all of the games available.
Tons of indy games.
Many free to play games.
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PC`s do a lot more than just game
Photoshop and other artistic type tools
DAW`s (For producing music / composing sounds)
Internet / all associated stuffs
Many other types of office / 3d modelling / all sorts of tools and other programs.
customisable physical badass looking machine!
The ability to overclock and tweak to your very own specific preferences.
The ability to go super 'green' if that's your thing with really low power consumptions.
The list could go on....
Edit - oh damn I forgot awesome modding communites on PC that make awesome game content for most PC games.
Noteable games would be - Starcraft 2`s arcade, Steams workshop especially for games like GTA4 , Skyrim etc... |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2877
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Posted - 2014.05.14 10:57:00 -
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Anything a console can do, a PC can do better.
The only reason to have a console at all is for console exclusives. That is literally the only thing they have going for them that keeps them from complete irrelevance in today's market. |
I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2014.05.14 11:11:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS
You are instantly becoming my favorite DEV
This guy trolls better than the trolls.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2650
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Posted - 2014.05.14 11:14:00 -
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61 frames/s confirmed for Legion. I will not forget this!
This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1454
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Posted - 2014.05.14 11:32:00 -
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#1 - The best and largest library in the history of gaming.
#2 - Supreme upgradeability; you'll almost never need to buy a new PC.
#3 - The best range of peripherals around.
#4 - A good PC can be used for almost anything. You'll hardly need another device!
#5 - The graphics can reach godly levels.
#6 - No need to pay for internet connectivity.
#7 - Game modifications are great fun.
#8 - EVE Online is on the PC.
#9 - The games are incredibly cheap with Humble Bundle and Steam Sales.
#10 - Developers get more money from your purchases than on a console.
My computer is five-years old and cost $360.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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Stile451
Red Star.
EoN.
335
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Posted - 2014.05.14 11:53:00 -
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The biggest drawback of PC gaming is that the initial outlay of money for a gaming PC(plus monitor/peripherals) can be fairly high but it will last you at least two generations of consoles and you will likely only need a graphics card upgrade at that point. I purchased this PC during the PS2 era and upgraded the graphics card a few years ago. It's still able to run new games without issue.
There are some pretty big differences in the price of games though - most new releases are $10 cheaper on PC, but more importantly PC games go on sale for ridiculous prices - it's fairly common to see 75% off sales on Steam. There are bundle sites like Humble Bundle and Indie Royale that offer amazing deals.
The graphics and performance on PC are usually equal or better than on a console.
Everything that is available on consoles is available on the PC(except exclusives but even then some make it to the PC).
The PC has entire genres of games that aren't often seen on any console(real time strategy, point and click adventure, RPGs, MMOs).
There's a huge backlog of games on the PC. Virtually every game that ever existed is available on the PC in one form or another.
Emulators are awesome - you can play old console games on your PC(if you don't want to setup the SNES to play Zelda 3 you can have it on an emulator in 10 minutes).
You can use whatever mode of input you want - if it's not supported there are ways around that(you could use a controller for every game if you wanted).
Probably most important is the modding community - from little things like adding butterflies to huge things like removing Oblivion from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. The original Thief games have an amazing modding community that has made hundreds of new missions for the games(and graphics updates as well). Steam Workshop makes installing mods very easy now. |
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.14 12:02:00 -
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Wow, just wanted to quickly chime in here and say I am impressed with the good responses you guys have been typing up here without reducing to console/PC fanboy childfights. Nice work, community members! |
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Mitch M1987
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.05.14 13:31:00 -
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Well here is what I have to say in this matter.
Pc gamming doesn't have to be that much more expensive that buying a console, for instance with the new AMD apu's that released this year you can build a pc that can game as good as a console for the same money.
i went this route tho and i can play battle field 4 on ultra preset at 70fps.
case: cooler master HAF922
Mobo: Asus 990fx pro
Cpu AMD 8350
memory: 16gb G Skill 1866 ram
ssd: 120gb samsung evo
hdd: 1tb seagate barracuda 7200rpm
PSU: corsair 1000watt
Graphics cards: 2x gigabyte AMD radeon R9 270x 4gb Overclocked
I can play any game a console can at better framerates and with higher graphics settings. i don't just use it for gaming either like you do a console so in my opinion PC is a better investment as it does more than just play games and netflix.
the cost of mine was a about double what a Xbone costs tho |
ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:25:00 -
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Mitch M1987 wrote:Well here is what I have to say in this matter.
Pc gamming doesn't have to be that much more expensive that buying a console, for instance with the new AMD apu's that released this year you can build a pc that can game as good as a console for the same money.
i went this route tho and i can play battle field 4 on ultra preset at 70fps.
case: cooler master HAF922
Mobo: Asus 990fx pro
Cpu AMD 8350
memory: 16gb G Skill 1866 ram
ssd: 120gb samsung evo
hdd: 1tb seagate barracuda 7200rpm
PSU: corsair 1000watt
Graphics cards: 2x gigabyte AMD radeon R9 270x 4gb Overclocked
I can play any game a console can at better framerates and with higher graphics settings. i don't just use it for gaming either like you do a console so in my opinion PC is a better investment as it does more than just play games and netflix.
the cost of mine was a about double what a Xbone costs tho
And, if someone has no other use for a PC than gaming?
I graduated from college, so, papers aren't a thing (plus I wrote my Senior Thesis in a Google Doc on my Nexus 7 and my phone).
Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC. I use my laptop as a paperweight though.
So, for your, roughly, $900-$1000 I can play games... seems pricey to me...
PS, Blowout, your backlog argument is moot. I have around 100 games in my PS3 backlog as it is. Also, poor choice for a Dev name if the community ever turns on you.
So, someone actually sell me a PC...
I 'support' EVE:Legion. Since the PS4 is just a dream, make it easy to sell our characters and our Beta access...
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1693
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:33:00 -
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It comes down to taste of games. I play both on console and Rig. On my rig I tend to play FPS and Horror games as console last gen were scared to touch it. But IMO consoles get the best exclusives. Cause well MMO, moba and indie games are fluff to me.
So there you go. it really comes down taste. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1473
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:36:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC
PCs. Do. Everything.
If you can find three things that PCs can't do that other electronic devices can, I'll be genuinely impressed.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:50:00 -
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If a game is on PC or a console, I get it on PC. The reason is generally a "no matter what happens to my PC, I can play it." In a year or two when this PC is dead, I will still be able to play X-COM on my Steam. In 5 years, I can load that bad boy up no problem. In 5 years, I wouldn't necessarily be able to do that as easily with a PS3 version of X-COM. As others have mentioned, a PC is generally better if you have the same library of games. I don't mean that as a "PC Master Race!" thing because that is just silly. No one would question that a console is more powerful than an iPhone game or have "Console Master Race!" thrown in their face. A PC is generally more powerful than a console with
Total Biscuit, a PC gaming YouTuber, recently did a mailbag episode of "I am a console player; why should I get a PC?" and was fairly non-biased it in. You can find the video here.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1130
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:57:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC PCs. Do. Everything.If you can find three things that PCs can't do that other electronic devices can, I'll be genuinely impressed.
1) I can put my phone and my tablet in my pocket.
2) I can use said devices without plugging them into a power source for a considerable time(you said PC, not laptop).
3) I can use either one of those as a Frisbee with little effort.
I can be an ass no matter which forum I'm on. I accepted your challenge and officially accomplished it.
There are plenty of things PCs can't do if you put your mind to it...
I 'support' EVE:Legion. Since the PS4 is just a dream, make it easy to sell our characters and our Beta access...
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:00:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC PCs. Do. Everything.If you can find three things that PCs can't do that other electronic devices can, I'll be genuinely impressed. 1) I can put my phone and my tablet in my pocket. 2) I can use said devices without plugging them into a power source for a considerable time(you said PC, not laptop). 3) I can use either one of those as a Frisbee with little effort. I can be an ass no matter which forum I'm on. I accepted your challenge and officially accomplished it. There are plenty of things PCs can't do if you put your mind to it...
Laptops are PCs.
Also, there are plenty of pocket sized PCs.
Beyond that, modern smartphone/tablets are basically PCs too, it's just that most are ARM based rather than x86.
Consoles, on the other hand, are too inherently limited to do most of what PCs can do (or even mobile devices). |
Dalmont Legrand
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:01:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
to me, the most important thing is i want to know what games I'll be able to play other than Legion
i've never been a PC gamer. I've been a console gamer for almost 20 years and I never really bothered/had time for PC gaming
i'd also like to know what computer you have, how much it cost, how much you usually spend to upgrade it
by ps4 joystick enjoy on pc
The best is yet to come
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
138
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:02:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC PCs. Do. Everything.If you can find three things that PCs can't do that other electronic devices can, I'll be genuinely impressed. 1) I can put my phone and my tablet in my pocket. 2) I can use said devices without plugging them into a power source for a considerable time(you said PC, not laptop). 3) I can use either one of those as a Frisbee with little effort. I can be an ass no matter which forum I'm on. I accepted your challenge and officially accomplished it. There are plenty of things PCs can't do if you put your mind to it...
With enough force, even a full tower can be used as a Frisbee, "little effort" is dependent on the person tossing the PC.
My printer made a fantastic shot-put.
EDIT: Even though it was a one time use shot-put |
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:02:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC PCs. Do. Everything.If you can find three things that PCs can't do that other electronic devices can, I'll be genuinely impressed.
Make one look cool. just saying. 
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
138
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:07:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC PCs. Do. Everything.If you can find three things that PCs can't do that other electronic devices can, I'll be genuinely impressed. Make one look cool. just saying.
Cool is, again, subjective.
I used to mod cases for people. Gimme a Dremel tool, some spray paint, some Plexiglas. some LEDs.... I'll blow your mind
No, I don't have pictures. It was a decade ago. Although, I am working on a design to build my PC into the wall in my office.
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2392
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:17:00 -
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Got my computer back in '06. It was $2000USD for it and all peripherals. It can still play most games, so long as they don't require DX11. It was certainly far superior to the xbox 360 and PS3 at the time. But because graphics and memory requirement for PC games rises so fast it is not going to be able to play any game at all soon.
I can, of course, replace my computer for about $500USD and the new one will play all current games at full graphics settings, then be able to play most games for the next 4-5 years.
You're computer is going to last just as long as your console. Only it costs more.
As someone said, Humble Bundle and steam sales are some great ways to get popular games that are a few years old at really low prices. There are lots of free games out there for PC... and lots of games that you can get without paying- not that I would advocate that or participate in something liek that.
Also mods. Mods are awesome. Everything can be modded, and more and more companies are just continuing to make modding easier.
You know how DUST has been officially released for a year? All we have to show for it is a pathetically small 9 map rotation. Nearly all FPSs have map editors. They are ridiculously easy to use. So you have an infinite selection of maps to play. and nearly all of them are really well designed- a hell of a lot better than the ones available in DUST514.
Computers are more expensive than consoles. THey're more varied. I'd never do console gaming if Namco and Atlas made their RPGs for the computer. I just happen to branch off of that genre every now and them with arcade games. DUST is really just from the love of the EVE universe.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1136
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:25:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC PCs. Do. Everything.If you can find three things that PCs can't do that other electronic devices can, I'll be genuinely impressed. Make one look cool. just saying. Cool is, again, subjective. I used to mod cases for people. Gimme a Dremel tool, some spray paint, some Plexiglas. some LEDs.... I'll blow your mind No, I don't have pictures. It was a decade ago. Although, I am working on a design to build my PC into the wall in my office.
My cousin has made some b*tchin' modifications to PS3 and 360 cases. I'll try to dig up some pictures if someone wants. So, easily doable, I'll agree with the point that you CAN make a tower look cool.
I 'support' EVE:Legion. Since the PS4 is just a dream, make it easy to sell our characters and our Beta access...
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:36:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:RayRay James wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC PCs. Do. Everything.If you can find three things that PCs can't do that other electronic devices can, I'll be genuinely impressed. Make one look cool. just saying. Cool is, again, subjective. I used to mod cases for people. Gimme a Dremel tool, some spray paint, some Plexiglas. some LEDs.... I'll blow your mind No, I don't have pictures. It was a decade ago. Although, I am working on a design to build my PC into the wall in my office. My cousin has made some b*tchin' modifications to PS3 and 360 cases. I'll try to dig up some pictures if someone wants. So, easily doable, I'll agree with the point that you CAN make a tower look cool.
Not what I meant.. But lets leave it at that. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1480
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:47:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:1) I can put my phone and my tablet in my pocket.
Tablets are PCs.
ResistanceGTA wrote:2) I can use said devices without plugging them into a power source for a considerable time(you said PC, not laptop).
Laptops are PCs.
ResistanceGTA wrote:3) I can use either one of those as a Frisbee with little effort.
Frisbees are PCs. (or at least they might be in the future)
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1694
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:49:00 -
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It's all on your personal preference. If your like me a FPS purists, but enjoy fighting and action games. then PC might grab some time, but most of your time will be on console. even for the FPS. It's no joke as to why comp players sometimes prefer console FPS to PC.
MMO and rpg player? then PC might be more to your liking. as mods really add more to that game play.
Now this is just me but being able to sit back on my couch while a lass sleeps on my lap, as I'm gaming on my tele, as it rains heavy outside, it's just bloody comfortable.
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:11:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:
PS, Blowout, your backlog argument is moot. I have around 100 games in my PS3 backlog as it is.
So, someone actually sell me a PC...
Moot argument? Well, can you play your backlog on your PS4 or will you keep your PS3 around for when you want to wade through your backlog? I don't need to keep a obsolete PC around to play through my backlog of PC games.
You already use PCs, Personal Computers, and have been using them for years.
So, someone sell me a console. |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:16:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Total Biscuit, a PC gaming YouTuber, recently did a mailbag episode of "I am a console player; why should I get a PC?" and was fairly non-biased it in. You can find the video here.
I thought he was completely unbiased in it, all he did was to pick apart the myths and misconceptions around PCs and PC gaming.
Care to point out what wasn't unbiased?
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1694
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:23:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:
PS, Blowout, your backlog argument is moot. I have around 100 games in my PS3 backlog as it is.
So, someone actually sell me a PC...
Moot argument? Well, can you play your backlog on your PS4 or will you keep your PS3 around for when you want to wade through your backlog? I don't need to keep a obsolete PC around to play through my backlog of PC games. You already use PCs, Personal Computers, and have been using them for years. So, someone sell me a console.
Actually..That's what the PS NOW will address. Allowing you to play your gaming back log to any PS system. |
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:29:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:
PS, Blowout, your backlog argument is moot. I have around 100 games in my PS3 backlog as it is.
So, someone actually sell me a PC...
Moot argument? Well, can you play your backlog on your PS4 or will you keep your PS3 around for when you want to wade through your backlog? I don't need to keep a obsolete PC around to play through my backlog of PC games. You already use PCs, Personal Computers, and have been using them for years. So, someone sell me a console. Actually..That's what the PS NOW will address. Allowing you to play your gaming back log to any PS system.
Question is, will I have to pay for the game again (like Tomb Raider Definitive Edition or the "remastered" edition of The Last of Us) and is it restricted by region? |
Stile451
Red Star.
EoN.
338
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:36:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:And, if someone has no other use for a PC than gaming?
I graduated from college, so, papers aren't a thing (plus I wrote my Senior Thesis in a Google Doc on my Nexus 7 and my phone).
Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC. I use my laptop as a paperweight though.
So, for your, roughly, $900-$1000 I can play games... seems pricey to me...
So, someone actually sell me a PC...
I assume by PC you mean tower and not personal computer(which encompasses quite a bit more).
There really isn't a reason to have a tower if you aren't going to be playing games or running CPU/graphics intensive programs(like video editing/recoding) and already have something that replaces it for the more mundane functions(such as a tablet).
The price doesn't need to be that high - you could build something decent for around $500. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2218
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:50:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:If a game is on PC or a console, I get it on PC. The reason is generally a "no matter what happens to my PC, I can play it." In a year or two when this PC is dead, I will still be able to play X-COM on my Steam. In 5 years, I can load that bad boy up no problem. In 5 years, I wouldn't necessarily be able to do that as easily with a PS3 version of X-COM. As others have mentioned, a PC is generally better if you have the same library of games. I don't mean that as a "PC Master Race!" thing because that is just silly. No one would question that a console is more powerful than an iPhone game or have "Console Master Race!" thrown in their face. A PC is generally more powerful than a console with Total Biscuit, a PC gaming YouTuber, recently did a mailbag episode of "I am a console player; why should I get a PC?" and was fairly non-biased it in. You can find the video here.
^ This
When the new X-COM came out I was very tempted to get it on PS3, because the way they adapted it made it seem very friendly to the controller input and it seemed like it would be fun to play on the couch. But in the end I got it through Steam, because I realized that like the original X-COM it was probably a game I would play again and again for more than a decade. I know that a decade from now, whatever happens with technology, that I'll be able to load up that game that I already own onto my PC and play it. Without having to pay for it a second time, and without hoping that a hardware vendor wouldn't decide that they couldn't do compatibility with old games. In the very worst case scenario I'd be able to fire up a virtual machine and play it that way.
This is why the only games I've bought for my PS3 have been PS3 exclusives, or second hand copies of assassin's creed (which I doubt I'll want to play again 10 years from now)
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DaReaperPW
Net 7
The Last Brigade
21
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:52:00 -
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I will add this, in addition if your pc breaks, due a component failure, it is typically cheaper to fix then it is to fix a console, as most of the time you will need to just buy a new console, but if say your ram goes bad in the pc, you can get another stick for like $50 or less and put it in yourself in about 20 seconds. |
DaReaperPW
Net 7
The Last Brigade
21
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:55:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:If a game is on PC or a console, I get it on PC. The reason is generally a "no matter what happens to my PC, I can play it." In a year or two when this PC is dead, I will still be able to play X-COM on my Steam. In 5 years, I can load that bad boy up no problem. In 5 years, I wouldn't necessarily be able to do that as easily with a PS3 version of X-COM. As others have mentioned, a PC is generally better if you have the same library of games. I don't mean that as a "PC Master Race!" thing because that is just silly. No one would question that a console is more powerful than an iPhone game or have "Console Master Race!" thrown in their face. A PC is generally more powerful than a console with Total Biscuit, a PC gaming YouTuber, recently did a mailbag episode of "I am a console player; why should I get a PC?" and was fairly non-biased it in. You can find the video here. ^ This When the new X-COM came out I was very tempted to get it on PS3, because the way they adapted it made it seem very friendly to the controller input and it seemed like it would be fun to play on the couch. But in the end I got it through Steam, because I realized that like the original X-COM it was probably a game I would play again and again for more than a decade. I know that a decade from now, whatever happens with technology, that I'll be able to load up that game that I already own onto my PC and play it. Without having to pay for it a second time, and without hoping that a hardware vendor wouldn't decide that they couldn't do compatibility with old games. In the very worst case scenario I'd be able to fire up a virtual machine and play it that way. This is why the only games I've bought for my PS3 have been PS3 exclusives, or second hand copies of assassin's creed (which I doubt I'll want to play again 10 years from now)
Plus you cna emulate and find verisons of games for the pc that you can't play on console. I have a PS2, and a PS3 and a Wii, i use the pse for dvd's now, but i have a few games, if my ps2 dies and i want to play say FF10, i can just go find an emulator and download it. No need to hunt and hope that my ps3 will play the ps2 game, or the ps4 or ps5 will. I can play nes, snes, sega, etc games with zero hassles.
And you cna buy an ok gaming rig for the price of a ps4 |
DaReaperPW
Net 7
The Last Brigade
21
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:00:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Mitch M1987 wrote:Well here is what I have to say in this matter.
Pc gamming doesn't have to be that much more expensive that buying a console, for instance with the new AMD apu's that released this year you can build a pc that can game as good as a console for the same money.
i went this route tho and i can play battle field 4 on ultra preset at 70fps.
case: cooler master HAF922
Mobo: Asus 990fx pro
Cpu AMD 8350
memory: 16gb G Skill 1866 ram
ssd: 120gb samsung evo
hdd: 1tb seagate barracuda 7200rpm
PSU: corsair 1000watt
Graphics cards: 2x gigabyte AMD radeon R9 270x 4gb Overclocked
I can play any game a console can at better framerates and with higher graphics settings. i don't just use it for gaming either like you do a console so in my opinion PC is a better investment as it does more than just play games and netflix.
the cost of mine was a about double what a Xbone costs tho And, if someone has no other use for a PC than gaming? I graduated from college, so, papers aren't a thing (plus I wrote my Senior Thesis in a Google Doc on my Nexus 7 and my phone). Other than papers, no one has given me a single other use for a PC. I use my laptop as a paperweight though. So, for your, roughly, $900-$1000 I can play games... seems pricey to me... PS, Blowout, your backlog argument is moot. I have around 100 games in my PS3 backlog as it is. Also, poor choice for a Dev name if the community ever turns on you. So, someone actually sell me a PC...
My current rig, which i did upgrade, only cost me around $400, i got the parts on black friday and built it. An ADM FX processot, motherboard, 16GB of DD3 and an Radeion R9 270, i already had the case (can get an ok one for $60) DVD drive (about $20 with no software) and hard drive (can get one for around $50) So you coudl build a decent machine for about $400, toss in $100 for a monitor and if you want to go cheap like $40 for kb and mouse and you are all set (this does NOT include os, thats about $100) if you look around, a decent gaming rig that will play nearly everything, or even an ok laptop gamer will run $500 |
DAMIOS82
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
117
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:06:00 -
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The thing with consoles is the lack of expansion, don't get me wrong there great machines and one will play all games. But the console is limited, meaning that allthough a game might look very good on the console. It will never achieve the maximum quality it could have, because you can't upgrade the console, not in memory or graphics, so your always stuck with the same quality of games.
Now with a PC the lifetime is the same as a console, plus a bit more. Depending on your hardware. See i just bought a new PC a year ago, just a normal stock from the stores, round about 700 euro (960 dollars) at that time. It's an Acer predator. I7 4770 processor , 8 gb ddr3 memory, 2tb hard drive and 120 ssd with a gtx 760 NVidia card. Nothing to extreme, but when i bought it i looked at how much i can expand on it, before i need to make mayor changes. So my motherboard allows me to expand my memory to 32 gb, aswell as expansion for graphics cards, etc. So in my eyes this pc can last me atleast 10 years, before games require 32gb of memory and the graphic card will last me atleast 5-6 years before i need to change it to something better. And when all of my options are exhausted and i can no longer play my games, i change my motherboard to allow to continue upgrading more. Now this might all sound expensive, but it's not really. See you don't have to buy the newest of the newest, If you would buy just a few generations beneath the latest you could save yourself hundreds of dollars/euro's. So in the end all your doing is spending the occasional 100-200 every so many years. Alternatively you could just buy a new good computer, max it all out with a few memory cards and just use it untill it becomes absolete and then buy a new computer, but then we are still talking about a minimum of 10 years, if not more. So that's atleast 1-2 consoles over the same timeframe, meaning money wise it's round about the same. The difference is i get to enjoy my games in the very best settings the game has to offer, a console player just has to settle with less.
See for me when i look at dust on ps3, i think to my self wow what a low quality of graphics, it would have looked a thousend times better on my pc. Half the stuff i can't see and the game lags because there is not enough memory to handle the game. This is not the game it self, but the console. When you look at there game when demo's are showed the quality is great (some how). But the main ps3 system we have now, just can't handle it. The ps4 would, but not if the game is further down the road in severall years time. Now if i had the option to upgrade the ps3 or ps4, then yes it would be a great buy. But not when they constrict you into wanting the maximum quality for your own games. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2218
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:32:00 -
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>See you don't have to buy the newest of the newest
That's kind of a key thing when you're building a PC if you don't want to really bling it out. Since you can change individual components of your machine there's a continual arms race between the manufacturers to release the biggest and bestest thing. This is most noticeable in video cards. That constant churn is enabled by charging a huge premium for bleeding edge gear, but you don't need bleeding edge gear since the most recent games were designed to run on far less powerful cards. If you compare the specs of video cards you'll find there's a point where a moderate increase in processing speed / power.
For example
http://www.ncix.com/detail/asus-geforce-gtx-750-ti-33-94339.htm
vs
http://www.ncix.com/detail/asus-geforce-gtx-760-directcu-de-85679-1396.htm
vs
http://www.ncix.com/detail/asus-geforce-gtx-780-poseidon-7f-95510-1226.htm
All the same make and brand, with very small differences between the first two and an extra gig of ram and a little more power on the third, but with huge differences in price. When I build a new machine (once every 8 to 10 years) or upgrade my video card, I go for one at about the relative price range of the first one on that list. Then I use it until it croaks or I literally cannot play a game I want with it on low settings. That takes about 4 years.
The two most important components to spend lots on are the motherboard, to make sure it has plenty of upgrade capability, and your power supply (because newer, bigger video cards need more juice). If you buy those two things top of the line, or at least not out of the bargain bin, a long time will go by before you need any major upgrades. A new video card every 3 or 4 years and possibly a better CPU at some point over the lifetime of that tower, and that's it. The only time it gets expensive is when you're no longer able to upgrade with the motherboard you have, because by that point it often turns out that the architecture of that board is obsolete and you can't re-use your cpu or memory.
Then you buy a new mobo, cpu, ram and video card...then reuse the old case, hard drive(s), power supply etc.
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Minor Treat
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
295
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:43:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:I appreciate the input Blowout
I might consider buying a gamer PC after I establish how much time I will have for it (if this college accepts me).
Plus I have my video game hating girlfriend to contend with. I used my PC all the way through university and the only real upgrade I needed to do was to buy a graphics card - I didn't run everything at max settings super awesome all the time, but the same thing that was churning out assignments in MS Word let me play games in 'glorious' 3D as well... PC gaming can be a matter of as much or as little as you want to spend and you will reap the rewards accordingly. You can get AMD/NVIDIA-powered gaming laptops for the same price as a PS4, which have HDMI output for playing on HD TVs. They will run everything, but just not as beautifully. And while we are on the subject, I would hate to try get MS Office running on a PS4.
Do you know where I can Find a Laptop that can run at those specs and for that price range? A lot of Laptops I have seen for sale are over $800 and that's why over my price range. |
DAMIOS82
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
117
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:48:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:>See you don't have to buy the newest of the newest That's kind of a key thing when you're building a PC if you don't want to really bling it out. Since you can change individual components of your machine there's a continual arms race between the manufacturers to release the biggest and bestest thing. This is most noticeable in video cards. That constant churn is enabled by charging a huge premium for bleeding edge gear, but you don't need bleeding edge gear since the most recent games were designed to run on far less powerful cards. If you compare the specs of video cards you'll find there's a point where a moderate increase in processing speed / power. For example http://www.ncix.com/detail/asus-geforce-gtx-750-ti-33-94339.htmvs http://www.ncix.com/detail/asus-geforce-gtx-760-directcu-de-85679-1396.htmvs http://www.ncix.com/detail/asus-geforce-gtx-780-poseidon-7f-95510-1226.htmAll the same make and brand, with very small differences between the first two and an extra gig of ram and a little more power on the third, but with huge differences in price. When I build a new machine (once every 8 to 10 years) or upgrade my video card, I go for one at about the relative price range of the first one on that list. Then I use it until it croaks or I literally cannot play a game I want with it on low settings. That takes about 4 years. The two most important components to spend lots on are the motherboard, to make sure it has plenty of upgrade capability, and your power supply (because newer, bigger video cards need more juice). If you buy those two things top of the line, or at least not out of the bargain bin, a long time will go by before you need any major upgrades. A new video card every 3 or 4 years and possibly a better CPU at some point over the lifetime of that tower, and that's it. The only time it gets expensive is when you're no longer able to upgrade with the motherboard you have, because by that point it often turns out that the architecture of that board is obsolete and you can't re-use your cpu or memory. Then you buy a new mobo, cpu, ram and video card...then reuse the old case, hard drive(s), power supply etc.
exactly my point, allthough the 760 is a little bit cheaper here in the Netherlands, i think most parts are if i compare it to american sites. None the less like many before us said. Its about finding the middle point of what you can afford. The differences are indeed very small.
Before the I7 i had a quadcore. Still lasted six years and it does still work. But i decided to strip it apart and make it into a pet project. Just to see what i can turn it into.
Before my second last computer, i had a pentium 4 that lasted me close to 13 years, did had to change the graphic card once, offcourse also my memory cards (fried them) and the power supply (also fried), nearly fried my processor aswell, but caught it in time and placed a better cooling system on it. But just to show that PC's can last a very long time if you take care of them.
And before that i had a pentium 360 partially converted into a 480..aaah the good old memories i had with that baby. |
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
2267
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:55:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Blowout, do you a: have a twitter feed (I feel like it'd be great fun) and b: what do you do at CCP? I do have a Twitter account although I don't use it very much. I am hired by CCP to ensure things do not get too serious around here! International mod of hysteri.
Things are already serious. You get a F for effort 
Oh, since you're here, there's a bug in the corner *points towards a dark corner* Go kill it?
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Thrydwulf Khodan
95
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:58:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:... in my experience downloading patches and updates on PS3 has proven to be just as much of a hassle if not more so than automatically updating my PC games on Steam, for example.
I've actually found that if you have PSN+ and automatic updates scheduled that it the console picks up updates on a regular and scheduled basis. (Especially if I've been playing the game recently.)
See the PS3 Manual on the subject here: http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/autodownload.html
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
132
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:45:00 -
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If anyone is going to build a PC before the end of the year, I sugest waiting some months if you going with Intel.
Theres a new cpu coming out, code name Devil`s Canyon, with is a better performer than the actual generation line up, will have better thermal performance and supposedly better overclockability. A new chipset will come forth as well, if I am not mistaken.
Of course, only if you not in a hurry. Thats pretty much why I did not upgraded yet my mobo / cpu / ram on my tower. |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
494
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:37:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:So, for your, roughly, $900-$1000 I can play games... seems pricey to me...
what
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
1904
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:42:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
to me, the most important thing is i want to know what games I'll be able to play other than Legion
i've never been a PC gamer. I've been a console gamer for almost 20 years and I never really bothered/had time for PC gaming
i'd also like to know what computer you have, how much it cost, how much you usually spend to upgrade it
pc's only excel in one area: multi tasking.
i've been playing both pc and console since 1996, and that is the only difference. on a pc you can watch youtube and have 5 windows of eve:online playing at once.
the actual 'gaming' part of it is not different at all.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
1904
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:43:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS
so, your sloppy coding is supposed to be fixed by moving it to pc? who's going to believe this?
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2378
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:24:00 -
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low genius wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
to me, the most important thing is i want to know what games I'll be able to play other than Legion
i've never been a PC gamer. I've been a console gamer for almost 20 years and I never really bothered/had time for PC gaming
i'd also like to know what computer you have, how much it cost, how much you usually spend to upgrade it pc's only excel in one area: multi tasking. i've been playing both pc and console since 1996, and that is the only difference. on a pc you can watch youtube and have 5 windows of eve:online playing at once. the actual 'gaming' part of it is not different at all.
This is completely wrong.
Not only are there MANY more games available on PC, most of the games you can get on consoles are better on PC because of better graphics and modding - just to name a couple of completely objective differences.
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
669
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:42:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Wow, just wanted to quickly chime in here and say I am impressed with the good responses you guys have been typing up here without reducing to console/PC fanboy childfights. Nice work, community members!
Surprisingly it seems most people in the Legion subsection of the forums are actually mostly decent human beings!
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
520
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:27:00 -
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Hey Minor Treat - you can get a gaming laptop for $500-$600 these days - it won't play the top latest releases at 1000 FPS (let alone 61 FPS) but it will do all you need to. Just check Newegg, Amazon, Ebuyer, whatever.
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Minor Treat
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
295
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:08:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Hey Minor Treat - you can get a gaming laptop for $500-$600 these days - it won't play the top latest releases at 1000 FPS (let alone 61 FPS) but it will do all you need to. Just check Newegg, Amazon, Ebuyer, whatever.
Really? I'll do some searching around in those sites. Thanks for the info. Also can you provide some information on what would be consider good specs for todays gaming? I have no idea where to even start. |
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:24:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:
Really? I'll do some searching around in those sites. Thanks for the info. Also can you provide some information on what would be consider good specs for todays gaming? I have no idea where to even start.
Good specs is very much a "depends" thing - depends on how high res you are running, if you are using multiple monitors, what sort of framerate is acceptable for you, how much anti aliasing you need to enjoy the visuals, and a lot more.
There are tons of sites out there that can give you a good breakdown, but for example this is the laptop I have at home, permanently hooked up to the TV when I am not traveling, sitting alongside my PS3:
Lenovo IdeaPad Z585 Laptop, AMD A8 4500M, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 15.6" TFT, DVDRW, AMD 7640G, Webcam, Windows 8 64bit
It's nothing amazing but it runs everything I have tried, albeit with reduced settings. Having that HDMI out is awesome.
It cost me $545 in August last year, so you'll be able to pick up something considerably better for the same price today.
Part man, part Internet.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4639
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:37:00 -
[62] - Quote
I recently bought a MacBook Pro. Total heresy, but I'm in love with it and I use it for playing some games and producing music on the go.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Minor Treat
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
295
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:10:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Minor Treat wrote:
Really? I'll do some searching around in those sites. Thanks for the info. Also can you provide some information on what would be consider good specs for todays gaming? I have no idea where to even start.
Good specs is very much a "depends" thing - depends on how high res you are running, if you are using multiple monitors, what sort of framerate is acceptable for you, how much anti aliasing you need to enjoy the visuals, and a lot more. There are tons of sites out there that can give you a good breakdown, but for example this is the laptop I have at home, permanently hooked up to the TV when I am not traveling, sitting alongside my PS3: Lenovo IdeaPad Z585 Laptop, AMD A8 4500M, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 15.6" TFT, DVDRW, AMD 7640G, Webcam, Windows 8 64bit It's nothing amazing but it runs everything I have tried, albeit with reduced settings. Having that HDMI out is awesome. It cost me $545 in August last year, so you'll be able to pick up something considerably better for the same price today.
Now I know PC rigs can be customized but are laptops capable of being customizable for upgrading in the future? |
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
548
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:30:00 -
[64] - Quote
Minor Treat wrote:
Now I know PC rigs can be customized but are laptops capable of being customizable for upgrading in the future?
To some degree - things like extra memory, faster/larger hard drives and so on, for sure. When it comes to graphics and CPU, it can get a bit more tricky. If you're in it for the long haul then getting a desktop PC is just way easier down the line.
If portability/travel is a must, and you see yourself using the same machine for more than a couple years, then invest in something a bit pricier. There's not really much way to 'future-proof' yourself in the world of PC gaming. It is more a case of 'how much do I want to spend in order to get the most out of the games currently on the market, and what will be coming in the next 6 months or so'.
Probably your greatest consideration is determining what is the most recent version of DirectX that the GPU can run, as that will at least mean that new games are playable, even if they don't look as good as they will on a $2500 machine.
It's really all about weighing up what you are using the machine for, and then browsing sites to find the best portable GPU in your price range and then ensuring the laptop's other specs meet your requirements.
Part man, part Internet.
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Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
425
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:35:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:I recently bought a MacBook Pro. Total heresy, but I'm in love with it and I use it for playing some games and producing music on the go.
I have a MBP too, though might is three years old now. Favorite computer I've ever had, it's served me well as an editor. Actually playing EVE on it as I write this. |
Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2014.05.15 06:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
You guys just might never understand why console gamers stick to consoles instead of a PC.
Whoever it was who said "the only advantage consoles have are inconsequential exclusive games and most of them get ported anyway" is severely mistaken. When was the last time Nintendo ported ANYTHING to the PC? There are just always going to be people like me who enjoy the console exclusive franchises more than anything else.
Sure, sometimes being faithful to companies like Nintendo can put you through a few dry spells... like how the 3DS is amazing but has an underwhelming number of good titles for it, not to mention the atrocity known as Wii U... but you can never turn people like me off of games like Kirby and Zelda, because even though they're usually rehashes of the same thing they get better every time.
Also the whole emulator thing? You don't need a gaming computer for that. A simple, cheap computer will do.
It's like I said in another thread. The whole "superiority" complex you guys have for PCs, gamers like me just don't care that much about that, and are just as happy playing classic stuff with outdated graphics as we are with the newer, "better" games.
Don't get me wrong, Gran Turismo 5 was pretty amazing but I'd be just as happy playing some old Super Nintendo title.
I can pretty much guarantee you, unless some force of nature or extremely appealing game compels me, I would rather buy a PS4 and play the new Kingdom Hearts than buy a gaming PC just to have a bunch of games whose only selling points are better graphics and better MMO's or FPS's which can probably be played on the PS4 anyway.
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
693
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:18:00 -
[67] - Quote
CCP wrote here:
"We dont want care about optimization, better all of you will upgrade your PCs"
people happy and cry:
"Yes, we will upgrade, because we can, because PC provide this possibility to us - its best platform!"
And one question for CCP, how many programmers will delegate CCP for eternal fight against cheaters in their new shooter? |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1577
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:21:00 -
[68] - Quote
dalt ud wrote:CCP wrote here:
"We dont want care about optimization, better all of you will upgrade your PCs"
people happy and cry:
"Yes, we will upgrade, because we can, because PC provide this possibility to us - its best platform!"
And one question for CCP, how many programmers will delegate CCP for eternal fight against cheaters in their new shooter?
That depends. How much time will delegate you for eternal fight against English in your new posts?
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
693
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:29:00 -
[69] - Quote
Ulysses Knapse wrote:
That depends. How much time will delegate you for eternal fight against English in your new posts?
if you have nothing to say - just dont say anything |
Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:36:00 -
[70] - Quote
dalt ud wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:
That depends. How much time will delegate you for eternal fight against English in your new posts?
if you have nothing to say - just dont say anything
nothing nice*
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4647
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:39:00 -
[71] - Quote
dalt ud wrote:CCP wrote here:
"We dont want care about optimization, better all of you will upgrade your PCs"
That's not what we said! We said that we aren't optimizing yet. That generally comes after the content and features have gone in. We will absolutely optimize the game for performance when the time comes.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
693
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:40:00 -
[72] - Quote
Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:dalt ud wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:
That depends. How much time will delegate you for eternal fight against English in your new posts?
if you have nothing to say - just dont say anything nothing nice*
how many languages you both know? |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
693
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:43:00 -
[73] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:dalt ud wrote:CCP wrote here:
"We dont want care about optimization, better all of you will upgrade your PCs"
That's not what we said! We said that we aren't optimizing yet. That generally comes after the content and features have gone in. We will absolutely optimize the game for performance when the time comes.
I meant dust514.
I just dont believe in the future your project on PC. And any PC-only project, to be honest
There i wrote a little about it https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2159854#post2159854 |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1577
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:43:00 -
[74] - Quote
dalt ud wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:dalt ud wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:
That depends. How much time will delegate you for eternal fight against English in your new posts?
if you have nothing to say - just dont say anything nothing nice* how many languages you both know?
You've been on the forums a while, haven't you? I would have expected your English to improve.
It didn't.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:47:00 -
[75] - Quote
Ulysses Knapse wrote:You've been on the forums a while, haven't you? I would have expected your English to improve.
It didn't.
But your english is immaculate right?  At least he's not a ****.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1577
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:49:00 -
[76] - Quote
Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:You've been on the forums a while, haven't you? I would have expected your English to improve.
It didn't. But your english is immaculate right? At least he's not a ****.
Sometimes he is, usually when it has something to do with PC gaming discussions.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
560
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Posted - 2014.05.15 08:01:00 -
[77] - Quote
And this thread was going so well
Can't we talk about PC gaming again? That was more fun.
Here, I'll start: Services like GOG and Steam are great digital distribution platforms.
Part man, part Internet.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1578
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Posted - 2014.05.15 08:04:00 -
[78] - Quote
CCP Blowout wrote:And this thread was going so well Can't we talk about PC gaming again? That was more fun. Here, I'll start: Services like GOG and Steam are great digital distribution platforms.
You forgot about the Humble Bundle! Also a great service for digital distribution, though not a platform.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
2253
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Posted - 2014.05.15 08:17:00 -
[79] - Quote
CCP Saberwing wrote:I recently bought a MacBook Pro. Total heresy, but I'm in love with it and I use it for playing some games and producing music on the go.
You produce?
Any chance we could get to hear some? 
Follow me on Twitch.tv!
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Grimmiers
544
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Posted - 2014.05.15 08:35:00 -
[80] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:I recently bought a MacBook Pro. Total heresy, but I'm in love with it and I use it for playing some games and producing music on the go. You produce? Any chance we could get to hear some?
I don't know why but I pictured saber in that fanfest ad where the guy is street performing with a tablet. |
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Dr Dammit
Sognariket Logistics
47
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Posted - 2014.05.15 13:45:00 -
[81] - Quote
Exclusives are pretty much the only thing consoles have going for them.
You can set up your PC to work just like a console. If you only want it for gaming, hook it up to your TV, set it to boot straight into Steam Big Picture mode, connect a controller, and voila! You can also add your non-steam games to Steam so you can launch them from there.
Then there is the sales. I have around 70 games on Steam, and with very few exceptions I never paid more than 20 bucks, many of them I got for 5 or less (And these aren't cheap indies, they're 1-2 year old AAA games). They also give away games for free sometimes. I got the first Metro game like that.
And then there's the graphics. The PS4 can reach around 1.8 teraflops of raw computing power. The latest AMD card reaches 11.5 teraflops. Consoles can code closer to the metal, but this is also making inroads on PC. AMD has Mantle, and NVIDIA and Microsoft are both going the same direction with GPU's and DirectX 12.
Intel also has increasingly decent integrated graphics in their CPU's. You can play most PC games today without a dedicated GPU.They won't look great, but it works.
Resolution is also running away on PC. 1080p at 60fps is normal on a PC, while consoles (esp. XboxOne - neener neener) still struggle to reach even that. The monster AMD card I mentioned is meant for 4K gaming. I would like to see a console try.
Plus all the other things, like surfing the net with a wireless mouse and keyboard from your couch, the ability to access every streaming service and video site, and not just the ones Sony and MS approved. You don't have to pay a subscription fee just to play online. You have access to metric f**ktons of other software. You can read books on it, listen to whatever music, in whatever format you want, and watch movies with no restrictions. Or you could use it to make your own games.
Consoles are meant for one thing, and one thing only. PC's are general purpose machines that can do whatever you want them to do, including beating the consoles at their own game. |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:49:00 -
[82] - Quote
Dr Dammit wrote:Exclusives are pretty much the only thing consoles have going for them.
You can set up your PC to work just like a console. If you only want it for gaming, hook it up to your TV, set it to boot straight into Steam Big Picture mode, connect a controller, and voila! You can also add your non-steam games to Steam so you can launch them from there.
Then there is the sales. I have around 70 games on Steam, and with very few exceptions I never paid more than 20 bucks, many of them I got for 5 or less (And these aren't cheap indies, they're 1-2 year old AAA games). They also give away games for free sometimes. I got the first Metro game like that.
And then there's the graphics. The PS4 can reach around 1.8 teraflops of raw computing power. The latest AMD card reaches 11.5 teraflops. Consoles can code closer to the metal, but this is also making inroads on PC. AMD has Mantle, and NVIDIA and Microsoft are both going the same direction with GPU's and DirectX 12.
Intel also has increasingly decent integrated graphics in their CPU's. You can play most PC games today without a dedicated GPU.They won't look great, but it works.
Resolution is also running away on PC. 1080p at 60fps is normal on a PC, while consoles (esp. XboxOne - neener neener) still struggle to reach even that. The monster AMD card I mentioned is meant for 4K gaming. I would like to see a console try.
Plus all the other things, like surfing the net with a wireless mouse and keyboard from your couch, the ability to access every streaming service and video site, and not just the ones Sony and MS approved. You don't have to pay a subscription fee just to play online. You have access to metric f**ktons of other software. You can read books on it, listen to whatever music, in whatever format you want, and watch movies with no restrictions. Or you could use it to make your own games.
Consoles are meant for one thing, and one thing only. PC's are general purpose machines that can do whatever you want them to do, including beating the consoles at their own game.
Basically, if you want to buy a console, wait until the end of its life cycle and buy all the exclusives for literally peanuts and you will have a treasure trove of exclusive games. |
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
987
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:32:00 -
[83] - Quote
CCP Blowout wrote:And this thread was going so well Can't we talk about PC gaming again? That was more fun. Here, I'll start: Services like GOG and Steam are great digital distribution platforms.
I'm a fan of physical stuff. Buying a game, opening the box, reading the manual, loading the CD, displaying the physical goods and placing them so they can be seen and admired and stuff. Lots of fond memories there.
Digital is the future though, can't fight that. It's a damn shame. I spend some time each month on cragslist, ebay, and local thrift / pawn shops trying to find old (in some cases, a year old is old enough to not be carried by major retailers) game consoles / games / accessories, etc.
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
987
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:34:00 -
[84] - Quote
Here's my goal for a PC build.
A console will typically cost anywhere between $300 - $600 and last (until a new console is released. my NES still works fine, for example) for anywhere from 4 - 7 years.
Along those lines, I figure for highest cost and shortest longevity, a PC build for $600 that will last reliably for 4 years, playing games on, we'll say, medium graphics. I can't get it to work.
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
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Phoenix 85
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:38:00 -
[85] - Quote
Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
PC gaming is cool. It's also more time consuming, expensive, and generally a hassle to someone who would much rather just play the first-party games on consoles. For example if I decide to buy an Xbox One it's the only way I will be able to play Halo, which might appeal to me more than Legion. Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
Nothing on Xbone will be running at 60 fps unless its 720p and has turd graphics.
EDUCATE YOURSELF
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Dr Dammit
Sognariket Logistics
47
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Posted - 2014.05.15 16:47:00 -
[86] - Quote
One thing I forgot to mention: If you want to play online with a console you need a subscription. $40 for one year on PS, $60 for Xbox live Gold. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2910
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Posted - 2014.05.15 17:12:00 -
[87] - Quote
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-05-13-confirmed-watch-dogs-ps4-900p-xbox-one-792p-both-30fps
yet another reason to game on the PC... The PS4 and XB1 already can't keep up with 'modern' games... |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
138
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:54:00 -
[88] - Quote
Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Here's my goal for a PC build.
A console will typically cost anywhere between $300 - $600 and last (until a new console is released. my NES still works fine, for example) for anywhere from 4 - 7 years.
Along those lines, I figure for highest cost and shortest longevity, a PC build for $600 that will last reliably for 4 years, playing games on, we'll say, medium graphics. I can't get it to work.
Its not like PC's will degrade like fruits and consoles will keep performance.
Both will keep performance at the same levels.
But while consoles will have to conform to the same level of performance for 4 years, PC's will evolve.
So, if ever comes a point when your PC cant anymore play at max, downgrade its settings. It will be equal, if not better, than the games coming out for the console in 4 years. |
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
996
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:39:00 -
[89] - Quote
Ender Storm wrote:Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Here's my goal for a PC build.
A console will typically cost anywhere between $300 - $600 and last (until a new console is released. my NES still works fine, for example) for anywhere from 4 - 7 years.
Along those lines, I figure for highest cost and shortest longevity, a PC build for $600 that will last reliably for 4 years, playing games on, we'll say, medium graphics. I can't get it to work. Its not like PC's will degrade like fruits and consoles will keep performance. Both will keep performance at the same levels. But while consoles will have to conform to the same level of performance for 4 years, PC's will evolve. So, if ever comes a point when your PC cant anymore play at max, downgrade its settings. It will be equal, if not better, than the games coming out for the console in 4 years.
I'm aware PC's don't degrade like fruits, but it gets to the point where you don't want to play a few games on low settings at 20 fps anymore, and then you build a new PC or upgrade if you can.
In my case, I upgrade my video card. Within a year, I'll likely build a new PC. The build I highlighted has a budget of $600 and should be able to play most games at high fps on high to medium settings for about 4 years. Can that be done, or not?
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
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CLONE117
True Pros Forever
783
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:03:00 -
[90] - Quote
when was the last time a console got a virus?.
mlt vets are eternal. they shall be the bane to proto scrubs everywhere...
dust 514 shall be eternal.
pve for dust 514
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Stile451
Red Star.
EoN.
339
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:01:00 -
[91] - Quote
With modded consoles there must be a virus out there(not that I've ever seen one as I'm not very conversant with the modding scene but the potential is there).
Sony bricked a sizable amount of PS3s with an update not too long ago which required them to wait a week then manually install the fixed update - on a PC the update could have been uninstalled or reverted immediately.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:I'm a fan of physical stuff. Buying a game, opening the box, reading the manual, loading the CD, displaying the physical goods and placing them so they can be seen and admired and stuff. Lots of fond memories there. I am very disappointed that all you get now is a disc and a case unless you spend money on the collectors editions. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2388
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:36:00 -
[92] - Quote
Here's a good reason:
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Name&sort_order=ASC&category1=998
Take a look at the total number of games available on Steam: 3096 as of the time of this post.
Steam is actually a small minority of the games available on PC, but it does have a lot of modern games.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
1934
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Posted - 2014.05.16 04:09:00 -
[93] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:low genius wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
to me, the most important thing is i want to know what games I'll be able to play other than Legion
i've never been a PC gamer. I've been a console gamer for almost 20 years and I never really bothered/had time for PC gaming
i'd also like to know what computer you have, how much it cost, how much you usually spend to upgrade it pc's only excel in one area: multi tasking. i've been playing both pc and console since 1996, and that is the only difference. on a pc you can watch youtube and have 5 windows of eve:online playing at once. the actual 'gaming' part of it is not different at all. This is completely wrong. Not only are there MANY more games available on PC, most of the games you can get on consoles are better on PC because of better graphics and modding - just to name a couple of completely objective differences. It is, of course, possible to play PC games and have the same experience of consoles, but there is much more on offer.
this presupposes that graphics matter, and i think any hardcore gamer will agree that graphics only need to be acceptable. they never need to be mind-blowing, and if the graphics are too good, the game is usually bad.
i know very few people who play more than a game or two regularly. the online-only crowd is the type of crowd who is highly addiction-prone.
if a game needs to be modded, then it wasn't much of a game, now was it.
as you were.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1640
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Posted - 2014.05.16 04:15:00 -
[94] - Quote
low genius wrote:if a game needs to be modded, then it wasn't much of a game, now was it.
1. Entertainment is subjective.
2. No game that is modded ever needs mods. People usually only mod games that they already like.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2389
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Posted - 2014.05.16 04:16:00 -
[95] - Quote
low genius wrote:Buster Friently wrote:low genius wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
to me, the most important thing is i want to know what games I'll be able to play other than Legion
i've never been a PC gamer. I've been a console gamer for almost 20 years and I never really bothered/had time for PC gaming
i'd also like to know what computer you have, how much it cost, how much you usually spend to upgrade it pc's only excel in one area: multi tasking. i've been playing both pc and console since 1996, and that is the only difference. on a pc you can watch youtube and have 5 windows of eve:online playing at once. the actual 'gaming' part of it is not different at all. This is completely wrong. Not only are there MANY more games available on PC, most of the games you can get on consoles are better on PC because of better graphics and modding - just to name a couple of completely objective differences. It is, of course, possible to play PC games and have the same experience of consoles, but there is much more on offer. this presupposes that graphics matter, and i think any hardcore gamer will agree that graphics only need to be acceptable. they never need to be mind-blowing, and if the graphics are too good, the game is usually bad. i know very few people who play more than a game or two regularly. the online-only crowd is the type of crowd who is highly addiction-prone. if a game needs to be modded, then it wasn't much of a game, now was it. as you were.
Still completely wrong. Mods add to a game. It doesn't matter if the game was the best in the world prior to modding, mods allow for added content and customization. There simply is no substitute.
Besides better graphics, there are entire genres that really don't exist on console - strategy and simulation for example, but better graphics (all other things being equal) certainly does improve a game.
Dismissed. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
798
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Posted - 2014.05.16 04:25:00 -
[96] - Quote
low genius wrote:Buster Friently wrote:low genius wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
to me, the most important thing is i want to know what games I'll be able to play other than Legion
i've never been a PC gamer. I've been a console gamer for almost 20 years and I never really bothered/had time for PC gaming
i'd also like to know what computer you have, how much it cost, how much you usually spend to upgrade it pc's only excel in one area: multi tasking. i've been playing both pc and console since 1996, and that is the only difference. on a pc you can watch youtube and have 5 windows of eve:online playing at once. the actual 'gaming' part of it is not different at all. This is completely wrong. Not only are there MANY more games available on PC, most of the games you can get on consoles are better on PC because of better graphics and modding - just to name a couple of completely objective differences. It is, of course, possible to play PC games and have the same experience of consoles, but there is much more on offer. this presupposes that graphics matter, and i think any hardcore gamer will agree that graphics only need to be acceptable. they never need to be mind-blowing, and if the graphics are too good, the game is usually bad. i know very few people who play more than a game or two regularly. the online-only crowd is the type of crowd who is highly addiction-prone. if a game needs to be modded, then it wasn't much of a game, now was it.
as you were.
Yeah, yeah, I'm interjecting into a conversation but I can't help myself:
Nobody said anything about games needing to be modded. As was stated, it is an advantage over consoles.
Unless, of course, you don't like free content for great games, from the Elder Scrolls series, to Half Life and other Valve 'Source engine' games, to GTA.... and dozens of others. And that content (which again, is free) has the capacity to extend the life of games by over a DECADE.
And now that I've gotten to think about it, I really should check out the state of some TES:Morrowind mods... Over a decade since it was released and professional quality mods are still being produced, bringing people back for more.
Anyway, don't mind me. I'm mostly typing to myself. |
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Ender Storm wrote:Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Here's my goal for a PC build.
A console will typically cost anywhere between $300 - $600 and last (until a new console is released. my NES still works fine, for example) for anywhere from 4 - 7 years.
Along those lines, I figure for highest cost and shortest longevity, a PC build for $600 that will last reliably for 4 years, playing games on, we'll say, medium graphics. I can't get it to work. Its not like PC's will degrade like fruits and consoles will keep performance. Both will keep performance at the same levels. But while consoles will have to conform to the same level of performance for 4 years, PC's will evolve. So, if ever comes a point when your PC cant anymore play at max, downgrade its settings. It will be equal, if not better, than the games coming out for the console in 4 years. I'm aware PC's don't degrade like fruits, but it gets to the point where you don't want to play a few games on low settings at 20 fps anymore, and then you build a new PC or upgrade if you can. In my case, I have already upgraded my video card. Within a year, I'll likely build a new PC. The build I asked about has a budget of $600 and should be able to play most games at high fps on high to medium settings for about 4 years. Can that be done, or not?
Well, my pc CPU is like, idk, 7 years old (E8400, dual core #3.6ghz). My video card is a GTX 570, it has about 3 years on it.
I still play games at or near max settings.
So yeah, i am pretty sure a good pc today will last far more then 4 years. Especially considering DX11 will be like mantle, bypassing more of the abstraction layer thus providing better performance than the actual one.
I am not sure about price, i am not looking into upgrading right now, but from the top of my head i would take a look at the GTX 770. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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low genius wrote:Buster Friently wrote:low genius wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
to me, the most important thing is i want to know what games I'll be able to play other than Legion
i've never been a PC gamer. I've been a console gamer for almost 20 years and I never really bothered/had time for PC gaming
i'd also like to know what computer you have, how much it cost, how much you usually spend to upgrade it pc's only excel in one area: multi tasking. i've been playing both pc and console since 1996, and that is the only difference. on a pc you can watch youtube and have 5 windows of eve:online playing at once. the actual 'gaming' part of it is not different at all. This is completely wrong. Not only are there MANY more games available on PC, most of the games you can get on consoles are better on PC because of better graphics and modding - just to name a couple of completely objective differences. It is, of course, possible to play PC games and have the same experience of consoles, but there is much more on offer. this presupposes that graphics matter, and i think any hardcore gamer will agree that graphics only need to be acceptable. they never need to be mind-blowing, and if the graphics are too good, the game is usually bad. i know very few people who play more than a game or two regularly. the online-only crowd is the type of crowd who is highly addiction-prone. if a game needs to be modded, then it wasn't much of a game, now was it. as you were.
As a side note, I only buy Total War games to mod them :) |
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The Sound Of Freedom
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:low genius wrote:if a game needs to be modded, then it wasn't much of a game, now was it. 1. Entertainment is subjective. 2. No game that is modded ever needs mods. People usually only mod games that they already like.
of course it is.
and i agree. i'm sure the guys who make mods are the guys who really like that artistic aspect of their hobby.
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G0DS AM0NG MEN
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low genius wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:low genius wrote:if a game needs to be modded, then it wasn't much of a game, now was it. 1. Entertainment is subjective. 2. No game that is modded ever needs mods. People usually only mod games that they already like. of course it is. and i agree. i'm sure the guys who make mods are the guys who really like that artistic aspect of their hobby.
*ahem cough cough splutter*
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Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.05.16 22:24:00 -
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Syeven Reed wrote:low genius wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:low genius wrote:if a game needs to be modded, then it wasn't much of a game, now was it. 1. Entertainment is subjective. 2. No game that is modded ever needs mods. People usually only mod games that they already like. of course it is. and i agree. i'm sure the guys who make mods are the guys who really like that artistic aspect of their hobby. *ahem cough cough splutter*
Exactly. here are some (IMHO) better examples:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/37994/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/topalltime/?adult=0
Now, naturally not all of these will be to a particular user's tastes, but that's precisely the point. With mods you can make a game, any game, better.
As I said earlier, there simply is no substitute.
Just for the record, this is exactly why I play games like Skyrim on the PC and not on any console. They're just better on PC. Objectively so. |
Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
Look at the Steam Catalogue
There's a TON of awesome, low priced games on Steam, there's TS3, recording software, graphics that are still very much superior to whatever the PS4 can bring to the table.
For me its ultimately the fact that your Legion Character could be your EVE character, already there's some games with Oculus Rift support (If you like that) and the general Utility that PC provides.
Can your PS4 do Microsoft Office?
Can your Xbox One play flash games when you don't wanna play Legion?
That's why PC ultimately is better in the long run, PC hardware can be upgraded and upgraded while all in the same case and their hardware I usually worth having for longer then a console cycle (if the stuff is pretty good, Your Geforce 8600 probably isn't going to be able to play many games at minimum for much longer.)
Because you wanted to be something you're not.
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Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Dr Dammit wrote:One thing I forgot to mention: If you want to play online with a console you need a subscription. $40 for one year on PS, $60 for Xbox live Gold.
Holy crap. I never put two and two together and realized that's an advantage PC gaming has.
Congrats, Doctor. This is the best sales pitch I've had in this entire thread.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.18 19:33:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Dr Dammit wrote:One thing I forgot to mention: If you want to play online with a console you need a subscription. $40 for one year on PS, $60 for Xbox live Gold. Holy crap. I never put two and two together and realized that's an advantage PC gaming has. Edit: Oh wait. It's only $40 a year. Eh... I think it comes with PS Plus too. That's actually a pretty good deal considering you get a **** ton of games with PS Plus. Double Edit: Since no one has really responded/cares to my Nintendo rant, I'm copy pasta-ing it to the OP.
The caveat with plus is that you really dont own the game, you can only access it while paying plus if i am not mistaken. So its more like a lease than a free game you will have forever. Plus you get what they are willing to give you, not what you necessarily want. So many games have the risk to not be played.
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GerAseR
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.05.18 20:21:00 -
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The thing with PS+ counts only for the monthly (and all time) free games, everything you payed for is yours.
I like consoles for the easy starting procedure. I come home, make a coffee, sit on the couch, press the button and that's it.
Sometimes the games or the FW gets an update, so this will take a few minutes longer before starting the game.
No need for drivers, and the other stuff you have to deal with.
Yes, you have to deal with this anyway, but not that big if you only use it to "work with".
The Console is just more comfortable for me. My pc runs a couple of years now with linux what makes things much more comfortable for me too. Maybe i build a Steam OS PC for playin on PC again someday, who knows...
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Kraigen Trek133
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.05.19 03:09:00 -
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The Reason I would like to see Dust 514 / Project Legion on the pc is the following ..
The last game console I owned was a Sega .. I had to go out and but a second hand PS3 in order to play Dust 514, and once I got the PS3 , I find it very difficult to play. As I never had a PS before I have no idea how to use the controller so just running and looking around is very hard .. But as a pc gamer I play BF4 , Crisis, and other first person shooters with no trouble at all.
Another reason is when happens when Dust 514 goes to PS4 .. now I have to go speed another couple of hundreds of dollars to upgrade to a PS4 .. I have a killer computer now that doesn't need upgrading , so by having the game on the computer the cost to me the player is little to nothing .. I would much rather spend my money on in game items then buying a platform to play it on.
Plus another reason is the quality of the image that comes out of my computer to the screen is much better than what I get out of my PS3 .. even using the Hdmi cable .. I can use the Hdmi cable from my computer the images I very in Eve Online are 1000% times better then the Dust stuff I am looking at.
So here is to the hope that it will be moved over and Project Legion will take off , as from what I have played a Dust 514 so far and all the trouble I have with the PS3 .. I will not be buying a PS4 and should Dust 514 go to PS4 this is one person who will not playing it anymore and instead will just fly around in Eve Online ..
Thanks for reading and see you around .. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.19 16:19:00 -
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GerAseR wrote:The thing with PS+ counts only for the monthly (and all time) free games, everything you payed for is yours.
I like consoles for the easy starting procedure. I come home, make a coffee, sit on the couch, press the button and that's it.
Sometimes the games or the FW gets an update, so this will take a few minutes longer before starting the game.
No need for drivers, and the other stuff you have to deal with.
Yes, you have to deal with this anyway, but not that big if you only use it to "work with".
The Console is just more comfortable for me. My pc runs a couple of years now with linux what makes things much more comfortable for me too. Maybe i build a Steam OS PC for playin on PC again someday, who knows...
Yeah I was thinking about the free ones.
Nowadays drivers are no issue, windows will handle it all for you if you let it.
Even graphic drivers got a lot better with the updating, I dont remember the last time simply updating them gave me trouble. Nvidia itself will keel track of it if you use their Gforce Experience app.
Theoretically, if everything is running smooth, you dont really need to update drivers. |
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Hey, I know I'm pretty damn late to the game, but a thought just came to me after reading the OP and a few replies:
For you kats that don't game on PC, do you just have no use for a PC at all? From my humble perspective, I work on my pc. It's a 15" laptop not designed for gaming, but customized enough to handle it. But really, most of my time is spent working. Graphics, photo editing, website development, etc. Gaming is a bonus.
Beyond that, do you not update your mobile phone? Write? Create to-do lists, emails, spreadsheet, surf the web, demo software, build 3dsmax stuff just for the hell of it, edit video for youtube, write HTML, research new car purchases, ebay, etc.?
lol, I know you can do some of this with other devices, but I'm just saying the choice seems arbitrary. For people like me though, who actually have a functional use with the PC, it's a no-brainer. Sure, I could drop some real cash into a dedicated gaming rig, but why? I work on mine. That in and of itself more than makes up for any potential cost balance. Oh, and I have a ps3 too. I'm like a cylon hybrid =\
regardless, all the best of luck coming to your decisions. =)
- me.
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KLEENEX INC.
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Posted - 2014.05.19 17:25:00 -
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A PC can
Make you lots of money
Play games
Watch films
Be highly customised from software to hardware
Be used to store any data you want
Be used to research whatever you want
Be used as a phone
Last forever with hardware upgrades every few years or more
Play the best real time strategy games
Do more than all that
A console can
Do less than all that and is much more basic.....................
Consoles are fotm. The games, the people, all flavour of the month. Most of what you said can be applied to PC gaming as well and there's no actual reason why PC gaming takes up more time, it doesn't.
Dust is the only console game that iv played where I'd actually like to meet other fellow gamers in RL but the gf would not be happy about me blowing that much on a road trip across america lol.
I could go Ireland and see my two dust buddies there but I'm British and there's tension because of past bullsht and in probably get gangbed (gang beaten).
Eve Legion FTW!
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GerAseR
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
38
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Posted - 2014.05.19 20:22:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:GerAseR wrote:The thing with PS+ counts only for the monthly (and all time) free games, everything you payed for is yours.
I like consoles for the easy starting procedure. I come home, make a coffee, sit on the couch, press the button and that's it.
Sometimes the games or the FW gets an update, so this will take a few minutes longer before starting the game.
No need for drivers, and the other stuff you have to deal with.
Yes, you have to deal with this anyway, but not that big if you only use it to "work with".
The Console is just more comfortable for me. My pc runs a couple of years now with linux what makes things much more comfortable for me too. Maybe i build a Steam OS PC for playin on PC again someday, who knows... Yeah I was thinking about the free ones. Nowadays drivers are no issue, windows will handle it all for you if you let it. Even graphic drivers got a lot better with the updating, I dont remember the last time simply updating them gave me trouble. Nvidia itself will keep track of it if you use their Gforce Experience app. Theoretically, if everything is running smooth, you dont really need to update drivers.
As long as the game can handle the new driver ;)
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Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.20 08:24:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS
CCP Blowout confirmed for best dev
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.21 13:44:00 -
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Thanks, you are too kind.
*tips hat
Part man, part Internet.
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emm kay
Binary Mercs
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
97
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Posted - 2014.05.23 00:57:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Hmm. I guess there are also terms I need to familiarize myself with if I go for a gaming PC. Not sure how Hz affects FPS.
Check this out to explain the difference: http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_7.html
is this 2001?
We are talking LCDs and Plasmas, Blowout!
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.23 08:56:00 -
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Hay guys I still play games on PC, how about you?
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Roran Theron
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2014.05.23 09:04:00 -
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PC Has most of the games that consoles offer - That's a huge advantage. I have a PS3 and a PC, and Titanfall is the number one hit FPS but was only released for Xbox and PC. So I get to play Titanfall :)
PC gives you many more options and opportunities with games. Usually games that are exclusive for a certain console has a PC version too, so you're not screwed if you have a PS3 and a game comes out for Xbox that you really want. The huge disadvantage to PC gaming is being comfortable. That's right, comfortable. I'd rather sit back on my couch and play a console game with a controlled that be hulk over a computer desk. Even if you have you're little 'battle station' tricked out to be more comfortable, it doesn't beat a couch.
But with that being said - You can fix it. My neighbor built a PC for about $500 and has it hooked to his big screen TV in his living room, and he has a wireless keyboard/mouse so he can sit back on his couch and play. He even has an Xbox controlled that he downloaded a driver for so he can play PC games with a controller. So there you go - A machine that triumphs over both consoles, more gaming options, and the ability to play it in the comfort of your living room :) |
Roran Theron
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2014.05.23 09:05:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Hay guys I still play games on PC, how about you?
1. Eve Online
2. Titanfall
3. Rift
4. League of Legends
5. DOTA 2
6. Planet Side 2
PC gaming all the way :)
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GerAseR
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
38
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Posted - 2014.05.23 10:13:00 -
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Roran Theron wrote:
PC gives you many more options and opportunities with games. Usually games that are exclusive for a certain console has a PC version too, so you're not screwed if you have a PS3 and a game comes out for Xbox that you really want.
"usually" <- What a joke...
Usually, they are not available for PC, except you are talking about "time-exclusives"
Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC
Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.23 11:31:00 -
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GerAseR wrote:[quote=Roran Theron]
Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC
Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff
That will be really hard considering they are console exclusives.
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Roran Theron
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.05.23 12:03:00 -
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GerAseR wrote:Roran Theron wrote:
PC gives you many more options and opportunities with games. Usually games that are exclusive for a certain console has a PC version too, so you're not screwed if you have a PS3 and a game comes out for Xbox that you really want.
"usually" <- What a joke... Usually, they are not available for PC, except you are talking about "time-exclusives" Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff
Perfect example of how not all games on console transfer over :) But I could easily say the same for hundreds of PC only games. As far as I've seen, the bigger more popular games are both console and PC. I'm pretty sure you have some examples of how I'm wrong, but it's just an example of why a PC is better. |
Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
76
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Posted - 2014.05.23 12:35:00 -
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GerAseR wrote:Roran Theron wrote:
PC gives you many more options and opportunities with games. Usually games that are exclusive for a certain console has a PC version too, so you're not screwed if you have a PS3 and a game comes out for Xbox that you really want.
"usually" <- What a joke... Usually, they are not available for PC, except you are talking about "time-exclusives" Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff
Metal Gear Solid 2-4, Final Fantasy IX - X - XII - XIII, Gran Turismo 1-6 |
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.05.23 12:53:00 -
[121] - Quote
Doubt people will say this but the worst part of fps PC gaming is the community, you think the dust forums were bad on the release of legion at the dust keynote... that pales in comparison to the daily active PC fps communities.
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lithkul devant
Legions of Infinite Dominion
Zero-Day
226
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Posted - 2014.05.23 13:33:00 -
[122] - Quote
CCP Blowout wrote:GerAseR wrote:[quote=Roran Theron]
Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC
Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff That will be really hard considering they are console exclusives.
Actually it's quite easy, buy a controller for the pc, they sell them on amazon for around 30 bucks, if you are to lazy for that, plenty of computer stores you can get them from. You can choose from xbox styled or playstation styled along with custom styled. |
ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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CCP Blowout wrote:GerAseR wrote:[quote=Roran Theron]
Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC
Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff That will be really hard considering they are console exclusives.
Emulators man!
Right now I have an emulator for pretty much every console up to playstation 2 and 90% of the games run perfect or even BETTER than they did originally.
I have MGS 1 - the PS1 version not the PC version, with improved shaders, anti-aliasing and all sorts of other clever shader techniques. All of this running on my PC and it looks sweet.
Crash Bandicoot 3 - warped looks amazing for a game that is so old!
EMULATORS ARE SWEET!
Oh and by the way - the Xbox`s controllers easily work with a windows PC. I can even use my Sony PS3 controller on my PC using a clever little application.
Really - if you can be bothered to play around - the PC is hands down the best platform. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
164
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Posted - 2014.05.23 16:26:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Doubt people will say this but the worst part of fps PC gaming is the community, you think the dust forums were bad on the release of legion at the dust keynote... that pales in comparison to the daily active PC fps communities.
Both suck. Get real.
My experience in meeting idiots in both platforms is pretty uniform. |
GerAseR
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
38
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Posted - 2014.05.23 22:09:00 -
[125] - Quote
Roran Theron wrote:GerAseR wrote:Roran Theron wrote:
PC gives you many more options and opportunities with games. Usually games that are exclusive for a certain console has a PC version too, so you're not screwed if you have a PS3 and a game comes out for Xbox that you really want.
"usually" <- What a joke... Usually, they are not available for PC, except you are talking about "time-exclusives" Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff Perfect example of how not all games on console transfer over :) But I could easily say the same for hundreds of PC only games. As far as I've seen, the bigger more popular games are both console and PC. I'm pretty sure you have some examples of how I'm wrong, but it's just an example of why a PC is better.
Not interrested in your console PC beef trash talking, i would only knock on the word "usually" ;)
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Deamonwrath21 DeathReign
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
15
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Posted - 2014.05.25 19:55:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
PC gaming is cool.
Lmao!Console to hint ccp dumn ass= planetside 2 running at ultra pc setting and at 1080p 60 fps and its bigger than dust so hmmmmmmmmmm. Yall scared or not good enough for us Console legions  |
Void Echo
Total Extinction
2600
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Posted - 2014.05.26 05:56:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:#1 When your PC start getting old, you dont throw it in the trash, you upgrade it (for a lower price than getting a whole new PC).
#2 Huge backlog of single player games for you to play.
#3 Past gen console emulators, you can play FF7/FF8 and other games with graphical filters to make the games look really good.
#4 Bigger choice of controls (Keyboard/controller/joystick/VR headset).
#5 Steam box is a PC in a console format.
if your saying that I can use a PS3/PS4 controller for a FPS game on PC instead of a mouse & keyboard then I hereby fully support legion.
Closed Beta Vet.
Playstation 4 or nothing CCP.
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Well, the first thing you have to do is stop treating PC as a fourth console. It's even more distant to console gaming as handheld gaming is. It has its own genres, it's own priorities that are separate to anything else. Just make sure you like strategy games, RPGs, and shooters, because there's a ton of them on PC. If you like those genres PC is heaven right now.
Also you're also forgetting that there's tons of classic games on PC as well, during the NES/SNES/N64/PS2 generations PC gaming was producing it's own unique brand of classic games that are still playable on modern PCs, as many titles as all of those consoles combined because PC gaming was alive during all of those generations. If you've never had a PC before you get access to classic stuff like Ultima Underworld, HoMM3, The Longest Journey, SiN, Blood, Heretic, StarTopia, Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, Arcanum, Age of Wonders, Stalker, Master of Orion, Freespace 2, Tie Fighter, Jedi Knight, Sim City 4, System Shock 2, Thief 2, Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines, Might & Magic World of Xeen, Populous 2, Jagged Alliance 2, XCOM, Grim Fandango, Day of the Tentacle, No One Lives Forever, Commandos, Age of Mythology, Clive Barkers Undying, Gothic 2, SWAT 4, Alpha Centauri and Wizardy 8. That's just a fraction of games off the top of my head, 60% of my playtime on PC lately has been classic titles because I got into it pretty late. It's never worth missing out on this stuff. |
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Spark Kincade wrote:Well, the first thing you have to do is stop treating PC as a fourth console. It's even more distant to console gaming as handheld gaming is. It has its own genres, it's own priorities that are separate to anything else, that why when many people go to PC they can't go back. Just make sure you like strategy games, RPGs, shooters and soon space sims, because there's a ton of exclusive ones on PC. If you like those genres PC is heaven right now.
Also you're also forgetting that there's tons of classic games on PC as well, during the NES/SNES/N64/PS2 generations PC gaming was producing it's own unique brand of classic games that are still playable on modern PCs, as many titles as all of those consoles combined because PC gaming was alive during all of those generations. If you've never had a PC before you get access to classic stuff like Ultima Underworld, HoMM3, The Longest Journey, SiN, Blood, Heretic, StarTopia, Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, Arcanum, Age of Wonders, Stalker, Master of Orion, Freespace 2, Tie Fighter, Jedi Knight, Sim City 4, System Shock 2, Thief 2, Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines, Might & Magic World of Xeen, Populous 2, Jagged Alliance 2, XCOM, Grim Fandango, Day of the Tentacle, No One Lives Forever, Commandos, Age of Mythology, Clive Barkers Undying, Gothic 2, SWAT 4, Alpha Centauri and Wizardy 8. That's just a fraction of games off the top of my head, 60% of my playtime on PC lately has been classic titles because I got into it pretty late. It's never worth missing out on this stuff.
I just want to play Star Wars Battlefront 2 again. Do they have that?
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GerAseR
United Pwnage Service
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Posted - 2014.05.26 16:40:00 -
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As long as there is no solution for Punkbuster, no Battlefront for you
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Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:13:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Spark Kincade wrote:Well, the first thing you have to do is stop treating PC as a fourth console. It's even more distant to console gaming as handheld gaming is. It has its own genres, it's own priorities that are separate to anything else, that why when many people go to PC they can't go back. Just make sure you like strategy games, RPGs, shooters and soon space sims, because there's a ton of exclusive ones on PC. If you like those genres PC is heaven right now.
Also you're also forgetting that there's tons of classic games on PC as well, during the NES/SNES/N64/PS2 generations PC gaming was producing it's own unique brand of classic games that are still playable on modern PCs, as many titles as all of those consoles combined because PC gaming was alive during all of those generations. If you've never had a PC before you get access to classic stuff like Ultima Underworld, HoMM3, The Longest Journey, SiN, Blood, Heretic, StarTopia, Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, Arcanum, Age of Wonders, Stalker, Master of Orion, Freespace 2, Tie Fighter, Jedi Knight, Sim City 4, System Shock 2, Thief 2, Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines, Might & Magic World of Xeen, Populous 2, Jagged Alliance 2, XCOM, Grim Fandango, Day of the Tentacle, No One Lives Forever, Commandos, Age of Mythology, Clive Barkers Undying, Gothic 2, SWAT 4, Alpha Centauri and Wizardy 8. That's just a fraction of games off the top of my head, 60% of my playtime on PC lately has been classic titles because I got into it pretty late. It's never worth missing out on this stuff. I just want to play Star Wars Battlefront 2 again. Do they have that?
Yes.
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GerAseR
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.05.27 01:00:00 -
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Haha poor Meeko:
Quote:Change in Multi-Player Format
As of May 31, 2014, online functionality, including network multiplayer and wireless chat, will no longer be available for this title. We regret any disappointment as a result of the shutdown of the services supporting these online features.
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Posted - 2014.05.27 15:57:00 -
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Deamonwrath21 DeathReign wrote:Lmao!Console to hint ccp dumn ass= planetside 2 running at ultra pc setting and at 1080p 60 fps and its bigger than dust so hmmmmmmmmmm. Yall scared or not good enough for us Console legions
I'm afraid I don't know what this means. I recognise some of the words but just not the way they've been arranged.
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Posted - 2014.05.27 16:02:00 -
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lithkul devant wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:GerAseR wrote:[quote=Roran Theron]
Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC
Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff That will be really hard considering they are console exclusives. Actually it's quite easy, buy a controller for the pc, they sell them on amazon for around 30 bucks, if you are to lazy for that, plenty of computer stores you can get them from. You can choose from xbox styled or playstation styled along with custom styled.
I don't think any of these games are available on the PC, and I don't think PS3 emulation is a thing (or remotely legal, were it even possible at this point).
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lithkul devant
Legions of Infinite Dominion
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.05.27 18:03:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:lithkul devant wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:GerAseR wrote:[quote=Roran Theron]
Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC
Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff That will be really hard considering they are console exclusives. Actually it's quite easy, buy a controller for the pc, they sell them on amazon for around 30 bucks, if you are to lazy for that, plenty of computer stores you can get them from. You can choose from xbox styled or playstation styled along with custom styled. I don't think any of these games are available on the PC, and I don't think PS3 emulation is a thing (or remotely legal, were it even possible at this point).
I think I was not paying attention the best due to how horrible allergy season is going for me. My point I was trying to make is that PCs do have the ability to use gaming controllers which had been brought up early in the forums.
Also, ps3 emulation is quite possible, just not going to touch on the subject that much, all games on the PS3 or Xbox 360 originally were designed and created on a computer, what keeps people from playing the games on a pc is usually a bit of code within the cds or games themselves. This is why Sony is able to send games through the network which you can download. Just like your game Dust 514, you didn't program it or create it on the PS3 you made it for the PS3.
Though I would really love to see one of you trying to code and program on the PS3 using a PS3 and a controller. |
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shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:28:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:lithkul devant wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:GerAseR wrote:[quote=Roran Theron]
Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC
Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff That will be really hard considering they are console exclusives. Actually it's quite easy, buy a controller for the pc, they sell them on amazon for around 30 bucks, if you are to lazy for that, plenty of computer stores you can get them from. You can choose from xbox styled or playstation styled along with custom styled. I don't think any of these games are available on the PC, and I don't think PS3 emulation is a thing (or remotely legal, were it even possible at this point).
PS3 emulation is totally possible we tried it out in UNI when we trying to work out how a few of us could use the one dev kit :P
however we where quickly informed that it was horrifyingly illegal and switch to just making a game on the 360 :P
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Posted - 2014.05.28 04:27:00 -
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customization, you can get the system that you prefer the hardware and all that down to kb and mouse
modding
private servers
steam
mmos
you need a computer anyways
dont need to worry about reverse compatibility
large selection
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2014.05.28 04:32:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Deamonwrath21 DeathReign wrote:Lmao!Console to hint ccp dumn ass= planetside 2 running at ultra pc setting and at 1080p 60 fps and its bigger than dust so hmmmmmmmmmm. Yall scared or not good enough for us Console legions I'm afraid I don't know what this means. I recognise some of the words but just not the way they've been arranged.
i beleive hes saying planet side 2 is scaring ccp from consoles?
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:38:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:Deamonwrath21 DeathReign wrote:Lmao!Console to hint ccp dumn ass= planetside 2 running at ultra pc setting and at 1080p 60 fps and its bigger than dust so hmmmmmmmmmm. Yall scared or not good enough for us Console legions I'm afraid I don't know what this means. I recognise some of the words but just not the way they've been arranged. i beleive hes saying planet side 2 is scaring ccp from consoles?
Nope, I have the same problem with this post too, sorry
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:37:00 -
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Is it the word scary and planetside 2 together cuz i admit they should be in same sentance :-P
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Posted - 2014.06.25 18:35:00 -
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I am glad this thread is still going because I continue to play games on my PC to this present day.
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Aighun
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Posted - 2014.06.25 19:17:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:I am glad this thread is still going because I continue to play games on my PC to this present day.
The last contribution to this thread was nearly a month ago. Should I take this dev post as carte blanche to resurrect all of my posts from the Dust 514 closed beta and replace "Dust 514" with "Project Legion"...? |
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Posted - 2014.06.25 20:37:00 -
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Aighun wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:I am glad this thread is still going because I continue to play games on my PC to this present day. The last contribution to this thread was nearly a month ago. Should I take this dev post as carte blanche to resurrect all of my posts from the Dust 514 closed beta and replace "Dust 514" with "Project Legion"...?
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:11:00 -
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CCP Blownut wrote:I am glad this thread is still going because I continue to play games on my PC to this present day. Wow. That is some hardcore gaming going on right there. I too play games on my PC, lately I have been playing Crusader Kings II and Europa Universalis IV. Though if you get a chance do try out War Thunder, I really do enjoy how solid the core game play elements feel in that game. |
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Posted - 2014.07.03 11:06:00 -
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Ok im sold, i had a laptop and just played phantoms and old retros like command and conquer and dawn of war ect, played EvE too but i got a ps3 for dust and ps4 for new releases, i guess i'll start looking into getting a gaming PC, |
Spectre-M
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Posted - 2014.07.05 00:40:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS
Nice troll. It's nice to see you guys coming out to support your customers.
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Jack McReady
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:59:00 -
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some people mentioned that you can upgrade your pc cheap instead of buying a new pc
well that is partially true and there is alot more behind it:
-first of all, current pc games are equally demanding for CPU and GPU performance and this will most likely not change in future. if your CPU bottlenecks your GPU then a new GPU upgrade will be useless. that means atleast a CPU + GPU upgrade. a good CPU + GPU costs like 300-400 euros together, the price of a new console.
-second, getting a significant upgrade is only possible if there is no leap to the next developed technology. if you buy a computer now chances are that you will not be able to upgrade it significantly any more because the next CPU is running on a different socket and you might aswell get a complete new computer. there are already rumours of new sockets and ddr4 memory around, e.g. Intel is going for DDR4 memory and for that they need one more pin on the socket, that means 1151 Socket CPUs which wont fit on your current 1150 socket motherboards and DD4 also means your old memory wont be of any use too.
if budget is a problem then console + cheap pc is the best of both worlds. you can buy a console and not care about the hardware for the next 5 years. additionally you can get a cheap PC/notebook for stuff that a console cant do like using office/photoshop/whatever and you are set.
if you have the money, nothing stops you to get both though. a pc obviously delivers better visuals with latest games. |
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:40:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:give me the best sales pitch you've got.
to me, the most important thing is i want to know what games I'll be able to play other than Legion
i've never been a PC gamer. I've been a console gamer for almost 20 years and I never really bothered/had time for PC gaming
i'd also like to know what computer you have, how much it cost, how much you usually spend to upgrade it
My argument
You guys just might never understand why console gamers stick to consoles instead of a PC.
Whoever it was who said "the only advantage consoles have are inconsequential exclusive games and most of them get ported anyway" is severely mistaken. When was the last time Nintendo ported ANYTHING to the PC? There are just always going to be people like me who enjoy the console exclusive franchises more than anything else.
Sure, sometimes being faithful to companies like Nintendo can put you through a few dry spells... like how the 3DS is amazing but has an underwhelming number of good titles for it, not to mention the atrocity known as Wii U... but you can never turn people like me off of games like Kirby and Zelda, because even though they're usually rehashes of the same thing they get better every time.
Also the whole emulator thing? You don't need a gaming computer for that. A simple, cheap computer will do.
It's like I said in another thread. The whole "superiority" complex you guys have for PCs, gamers like me just don't care that much about that, and are just as happy playing classic stuff with outdated graphics as we are with the newer, "better" games.
Don't get me wrong, Gran Turismo 5 was pretty amazing but I'd be just as happy playing some old Super Nintendo title.
I can pretty much guarantee you, unless some force of nature or extremely appealing game compels me, I would rather buy a PS4 and play the new Kingdom Hearts than buy a gaming PC just to have a bunch of games whose only selling points are better graphics and better MMO's or FPS's which can probably be played on the PS4 anyway.
Indeed why pc?
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:06:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:some people mentioned that you can upgrade your pc cheap instead of buying a new pc
well that is partially true and there is alot more behind it:
-first of all, current pc games are equally demanding for CPU and GPU performance and this will most likely not change in future.[...] This hasn't been true for years. You can use a 3 year old mid-range CPU and still have your GPU bottleneck in most games. Also, if a component is bottlenecking then has untapped potential left. Why would you throw away a GPU when you just replaced the component holding it back?
Also, good mainboards go for <150$, so does sufficiently sized RAM for at least the next few years. DDR4 is years away from providing better gaming performance, let alone at good value, which has been the case for all major RAM iterations aswell. As I already said there hasn't been a compelling reason to regularly upgrade CPUs for years now so everyone buying a decent midrange board/CPU today will be fine for years to come.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:36:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS Nice troll. It's nice to see you guys coming out to support your customers.
Can't tell if serious/sarcastic/no sense of humour?
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Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:44:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Spectre-M wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS Nice troll. It's nice to see you guys coming out to support your customers. Can't tell if serious/sarcastic/no sense of humour?
Or both.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:57:00 -
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JRleo jr wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:Spectre-M wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:
Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?
61 FPS Nice troll. It's nice to see you guys coming out to support your customers. Can't tell if serious/sarcastic/no sense of humour? Or both. And now you have me wondering about which two of the three options...
Will vote for: pÇîA·P·P·I·ApÇì & pÇîR·H·A·D·ApÇì despite them hating on Nordic food customs. ;)
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Posted - 2014.07.16 07:48:00 -
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GerAseR wrote:Roran Theron wrote:
PC gives you many more options and opportunities with games. Usually games that are exclusive for a certain console has a PC version too, so you're not screwed if you have a PS3 and a game comes out for Xbox that you really want.
"usually" <- What a joke... Usually, they are not available for PC, except you are talking about "time-exclusives" Try to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Little Big Planet etc. on a PC Or Mario Kart, Zelda and the other Nintendo stuff
Microsoft and Sony demand "exclusives" from developers in order to make their sales for their **** tier systems. Getting the wool pulled over your eyes #justpeasantthings
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Posted - 2014.07.16 07:54:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:Ok im sold, i had a laptop and just played phantoms and old retros like command and conquer and dawn of war ect, played EvE too but i got a ps3 for dust and ps4 for new releases, i guess i'll start looking into getting a gaming PC,
http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:57:00 -
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god guys, my threads are so popular they're being bumped the day I get back from vacation
and i didn't even want this thread to be popular! Why can't you guys bump the hell out of a USEFUL thread
Heavy turning speed should NOT be changed, we already get slaughtered by basic/adv scouts in our proto, dancing round us
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G Sacred
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Posted - 2014.07.18 23:46:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:god guys, my threads are so popular they're being bumped the day I get back from vacation and i didn't even want this thread to be popular! Why can't you guys bump the hell out of a USEFUL thread
Because PC vs Console is a hot topic. I myself am a console gamer at heart, but I do own a gaming PC and use it daily. For me, it is simple as this: I was brought up on console for FPS games, I am not used to mouse and keyboard. Sure I can get used to it quickly by logging countless hours on Planetside 2, BF3, or other games like that, but it doesn't change the fact that I just don't like it. (Personal preference guys, not saying controller is better)
The way I ended up doing it was I play all my FPS games on console, and play my MMOs (like eve :D) on PC. However, when I do play BF3 on PC, I hook my PS3 controller up to it (yes that was a huge pain in the rear to get working properly, but I even got it setup using Bluetooth) and I hope CCP lets me do the same with Legion (hint hint ;))
In the end, neither is better than the other, because both have advantages and disadvantages. It all comes down to opinion. We can't sell you on PC gaming, you must sell yourself. (Not literally. That illegal in most places (if you do, you didn't hear anything from me)) |
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