Really? I'll do some searching around in those sites. Thanks for the info. Also can you provide some information on what would be consider good specs for todays gaming? I have no idea where to even start.

Good specs is very much a "depends" thing - depends on how high res you are running, if you are using multiple monitors, what sort of framerate is acceptable for you, how much anti aliasing you need to enjoy the visuals, and a lot more.

There are tons of sites out there that can give you a good breakdown, but for example this is the laptop I have at home, permanently hooked up to the TV when I am not traveling, sitting alongside my PS3:

Lenovo IdeaPad Z585 Laptop, AMD A8 4500M, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 15.6" TFT, DVDRW, AMD 7640G, Webcam, Windows 8 64bit

It's nothing amazing but it runs everything I have tried, albeit with reduced settings. Having that HDMI out is awesome.

It cost me $545 in August last year, so you'll be able to pick up something considerably better for the same price today.

Now I know PC rigs can be customized but are laptops capable of being customizable for upgrading in the future?

I recently bought a MacBook Pro. Total heresy, but I'm in love with it and I use it for playing some games and producing music on the go.

CCP wrote here:

"We dont want care about optimization, better all of you will upgrade your PCs"

people happy and cry:

"Yes, we will upgrade, because we can, because PC provide this possibility to us - its best platform!"


And one question for CCP, how many programmers will delegate CCP for eternal fight against cheaters in their new shooter?

That depends. How much time will delegate you for eternal fight against English in your new posts?

if you have nothing to say - just dont say anything

CCP wrote here:

"We dont want care about optimization, better all of you will upgrade your PCs"

nothing nice*

That's not what we said! We said that we aren't optimizing yet. That generally comes after the content and features have gone in. We will absolutely optimize the game for performance when the time comes.

how many languages you both know?

You've been on the forums a while, haven't you? I would have expected your English to improve.

It didn't.

But your english is immaculate right? At least he's not a ****.

And this thread was going so well

Can't we talk about PC gaming again? That was more fun.

Here, I'll start: Services like GOG and Steam are great digital distribution platforms.

I recently bought a MacBook Pro. Total heresy, but I'm in love with it and I use it for playing some games and producing music on the go.

You produce?

Any chance we could get to hear some?

Exclusives are pretty much the only thing consoles have going for them.

You can set up your PC to work just like a console. If you only want it for gaming, hook it up to your TV, set it to boot straight into Steam Big Picture mode, connect a controller, and voila! You can also add your non-steam games to Steam so you can launch them from there.

Then there is the sales. I have around 70 games on Steam, and with very few exceptions I never paid more than 20 bucks, many of them I got for 5 or less (And these aren't cheap indies, they're 1-2 year old AAA games). They also give away games for free sometimes. I got the first Metro game like that.

And then there's the graphics. The PS4 can reach around 1.8 teraflops of raw computing power. The latest AMD card reaches 11.5 teraflops. Consoles can code closer to the metal, but this is also making inroads on PC. AMD has Mantle, and NVIDIA and Microsoft are both going the same direction with GPU's and DirectX 12.
Intel also has increasingly decent integrated graphics in their CPU's. You can play most PC games today without a dedicated GPU.They won't look great, but it works.

Resolution is also running away on PC. 1080p at 60fps is normal on a PC, while consoles (esp. XboxOne - neener neener) still struggle to reach even that. The monster AMD card I mentioned is meant for 4K gaming. I would like to see a console try.

Plus all the other things, like surfing the net with a wireless mouse and keyboard from your couch, the ability to access every streaming service and video site, and not just the ones Sony and MS approved. You don't have to pay a subscription fee just to play online. You have access to metric f**ktons of other software. You can read books on it, listen to whatever music, in whatever format you want, and watch movies with no restrictions. Or you could use it to make your own games.

Consoles are meant for one thing, and one thing only. PC's are general purpose machines that can do whatever you want them to do, including beating the consoles at their own game.

And this thread was going so well

Can't we talk about PC gaming again? That was more fun.

Here, I'll start: Services like GOG and Steam are great digital distribution platforms.

It's also more time consuming, expensive, and generally a hassle to someone who would much rather just play the first-party games on consoles. For example if I decide to buy an Xbox One it's the only way I will be able to play Halo, which might appeal to me more than Legion.

Speaking of that, I hear Halo 5 will be running at 60 FPS. How well is Legion expected to perform?

Here's my goal for a PC build.

A console will typically cost anywhere between $300 - $600 and last (until a new console is released. my NES still works fine, for example) for anywhere from 4 - 7 years.

Along those lines, I figure for highest cost and shortest longevity, a PC build for $600 that will last reliably for 4 years, playing games on, we'll say, medium graphics. I can't get it to work.

Its not like PC's will degrade like fruits and consoles will keep performance.

Both will keep performance at the same levels.

But while consoles will have to conform to the same level of performance for 4 years, PC's will evolve.

So, if ever comes a point when your PC cant anymore play at max, downgrade its settings. It will be equal, if not better, than the games coming out for the console in 4 years.