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Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 26	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:53:00 - [1] - Quote PS4 $399 (at Walmart) Cost of a PC that runs Unreal 4 Engine (today): $660 This a theoretical build I threw together: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22254751 And this is based on: https://www.unrealengine.com/faq Quote: Desktop PC or Mac Windows 7 64-bit or Mac OS X 10.9.2 or later Quad-core Intel or AMD processor, 2.5 GHz or faster NVIDIA GeForce 470 GTX or AMD Radeon 6870 HD series card or higher 8 GB RAM With the build I listed above, keep in mind that: 1 - The build listed above is a rough estimate. This is for illustrative purposes. Don't go out and buy this. Do research. 2 - The parts used in the build are actually above the requirements quoted above. 3 - I tried to make this "media center friendly". Small case, HDMI port on video card. This limits the options. 4 - Since the case is small, I'm 100% sure every part will fit, but I did my best. 5 - This includes the cost of a Windows 8 OEM license. 6 - This includes a CPU fan. Many CPU's come with a fan, so the extra fan is optional, but recommended. 7 - This does not include a DVD drive. Windows would need be installed via USB stick. 8 - An SSD is used in this build. You can get more capacity more less money using a regular (rotational) drive. 9 - The build listed above is upgradable to at least 16 GB of RAM - Only 2 of the 4 slots are used. 10 - There are many more options of parts to choose from, some of which will increase/decrease the price, depending on what you want/need. I know that this particular build is about 60% more than a PS4, but there are some things to consider: - You can get lower spec parts to bring the price down. How to build a gaming PC under $500. - Every part is upgradable, giving your build more longevity than a PS4 which you cannot upgrade. - By the time Legion comes out, these parts will be cheaper, and you can get better parts for the same or less. - We're assuming that Legion will need what is recommended for the Unreal 4 Engine. The PS3 specs are much lower. So what I'm getting at is a PC can cost as much as a PS4. It can also cost more, but in the long run a PC can last longer as you can upgrade parts. The video card is often the most important piece of a gaming rig. The video card I listed, which is above the recommended specs, is $89. A few years down the road you can spend $89-$150 for a new video card to beef up your rig. And this price range is moderate. A lot of hard core gamers spend $300+ on their video cards alone. The PS4 is just an overpriced computer that you can't upgrade. Especially since it now shares the same processor architecture as a PC. I know a lot of people are against gaming on the PC... And the initial investment may be higher... But in the long term upgrading parts is far cheaper and gives you more benefits. And you can build a PC that will fit in your living-room and plug it into your TV just as much as the PS4. You can even use a PS3/PS4 controller on the PC, or buy a Logitech controller. Or use a Mouse. Or use a flight stick for those dropships.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1557	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:55:00 - [2] - Quote reddit.com/r/buildapc If you're interested in building your own.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4290	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:56:00 - [3] - Quote The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs. Markdown:
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:57:00 - [4] - Quote #PCmasterrace Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like:
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 26	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:57:00 - [5] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs. You can buy a gaming rig too, http://www.alienware.com/ If you don't mind paying 50% more.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 429	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:59:00 - [6] - Quote ............ ugh urge to kill .........rising .. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
gobbybobbyy KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 70	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:59:00 - [7] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs. You can buy a gaming rig too, http://www.alienware.com/ If you don't mind paying 50% more. more like 150% more
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1554	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:59:00 - [8] - Quote This is actually a very helpful post from a PC gamer as well. It doesn't make me want to go back to PC gaming but it is appreciated much more than the posts from PC guys that equal "Ha ha ha console peasant" Thanks for that. I already have a PS4 I prefer exclusive Sony games, the ability to unplug my system and move it anywhere in my house, and knowing any game I purchase will work as intended on the system over the advantages PC offers. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 467	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:02:00 - [9] - Quote Better low cost builds are out there. You just built an obsolete computer that may or may not run Project Legion.
Global Enforcer Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 185	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:03:00 - [10] - Quote Iv been in the pc gaming days but my pc just couldn't give me what a console had BPO-> K61-D13

Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 2100	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:04:00 - [11] - Quote Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2705	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:04:00 - [12] - Quote Peeps should keep an eye on steambox too, that is looking pretty cool. '#PCMasterRace 5/2/2014 - Best day in Dust's history CCP Rouge - The Hero of Dust
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1570	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:05:00 - [13] - Quote The concern has very little to do with "I can't afford a PC" and more along the lines of "Did CCP just bait and switch me?" There are people out there that are getting screwed by the Legion PC bit, which sucks, but most of the vitriol is over the DUST 514 keynote, progression, and sandbox presentations being about a different product that isn't even green lit yet. Big, obvious questions like "What about my SP?", "What about my AUR purchases?" were not answered and still don't seem to have an answer short of "we don't want to leave anyone behind." Here comes the disgusting thing: what happens if Legion doesn't go through? They just announced "we cannot do what we wanted to do on the PS3 so we are moving on to the PC" in front of the gaming world. If Legion dies a quite death behind the scenes or Hilmar cuts its head off like it is a Stark at a public display, what does that mean for the game they just said could not be what they wanted it to be? Should we just fudge off and die?
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1554	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:08:00 - [14] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The concern has very little to do with "I can't afford a PC" and more along the lines of "Did CCP just bait and switch me?" There are people out there that are getting screwed by the Legion PC bit, which sucks, but most of the vitriol is over the DUST 514 keynote, progression, and sandbox presentations being about a different product that isn't even green lit yet. Big, obvious questions like "What about my SP?", "What about my AUR purchases?" were not answered and still don't seem to have an answer short of "we don't want to leave anyone behind." Here comes the disgusting thing: what happens if Legion doesn't go through? They just announced "we cannot do what we wanted to do on the PS3 so we are moving on to the PC" in front of the gaming world. If Legion dies a quite death behind the scenes or Hilmar cuts its head off like it is a Stark at a public display, what does that mean for the game they just said could not be what they wanted it to be? Should we just fudge off and die? Oh yeah there is no way in which what went down this weekend is a good thing. CCP once again just seems like a company without a clue as to what it is doing. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 26	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:09:00 - [15] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: Better low cost builds are out there. You just built an obsolete computer that may or may not run Project Legion. That's true. The point isn't "buy this build". I recommend against that. The point is at worst case it would cost ~$600 to build a machine that could run Legion today, assuming that the requirements are what is listed for the Unreal Engine 4. If you have links to better builds, please, by all means share them. The second point I'm trying to make is that the PS4 is a computer. You can build a PC the same size as the PS4 w/ an HDMI port and be able to use it the same as you would a PS4. You can even use PS3/PS4 controllers, or many other options available to the PC that wouldn't be able to do on the PS4.
Galthur Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 500	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:11:00 - [16] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs. you stole my sig Never Forget
major faux-pas Irish Assassins 121	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:12:00 - [17] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse).
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1646	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:14:00 - [18] - Quote $300+ for boosters and Try hard gear in dust514. -$300 in dept for rent $$$ to go iceland. $$$ in dept $0 to hear the news. who would spend that money on a game? Welcome to eden. messed up
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 26	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:15:00 - [19] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The concern has very little to do with "I can't afford a PC" and more along the lines of "Did CCP just bait and switch me?" There are people out there that are getting screwed by the Legion PC bit, which sucks, but most of the vitriol is over the DUST 514 keynote, progression, and sandbox presentations being about a different product that isn't even green lit yet. Big, obvious questions like "What about my SP?", "What about my AUR purchases?" were not answered and still don't seem to have an answer short of "we don't want to leave anyone behind." Here comes the disgusting thing: what happens if Legion doesn't go through? They just announced "we cannot do what we wanted to do on the PS3 so we are moving on to the PC" in front of the gaming world. If Legion dies a quite death behind the scenes or Hilmar cuts its head off like it is a Stark at a public display, what does that mean for the game they just said could not be what they wanted it to be? Should we just fudge off and die? I totally get that and I agree. That is my #1 concern about Legion as well. The post was meant for people who say they won't play Legion because they won't game on a PC. The thing is a PS4 is a PC too (technically). And I'm not saying go out a buy one now - That would be foolish.
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 26	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:17:00 - [20] - Quote major faux-pas wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). You can use a PS3 / PS4 controller on a PC.

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2705	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:17:00 - [21] - Quote major faux-pas wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). xbox controller for windows works flawlessly with native drivers. I've never installed a thing and every single PC game I've played with it has worked flawlessly. '#PCMasterRace 5/2/2014 - Best day in Dust's history CCP Rouge - The Hero of Dust
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2700	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:21:00 - [22] - Quote I am going to get one gaming platform. Not two. Just one. I like PS exclusive games. I like controllers vastly more than mkb for gaming in 90% of games. My choice of gaming platform is PS4, not a gaming PC. I would rather have a PS4 and play the other exclusives I like than getting a PC to play Legion. I just want Legion on PS4 as well, because I'm not getting a Gaming PC to play 1 game while using a control input that I don't like for FPSs. How is it so damn hard for some of you PC Elitist to understand that not everyone wants to game on a PC?
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1310	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:24:00 - [23] - Quote Switch the APU for a current Kaveri model to couple its Graphics core with the GPU or just go intel when you have a discrete graphics solution. I love the APU concept but using a three generations old processor that is 60%+ GPU in terms of die area while using discrete graphics defeats the whole purpose of the chip, making the severe loss in single thread performance an utter waste. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:25:00 - [24] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: Better low cost builds are out there. You just built an obsolete computer that may or may not run Project Legion. See here is the thing, you come of as just not a very smart person when you say this without backing it up, you come off as an idiot. Cyrus Militani wrote: Jake Bloodworth wrote: Better low cost builds are out there. You just built an obsolete computer that may or may not run Project Legion. That's true. The point isn't "buy this build". I recommend against that. The point is at worst case it would cost ~$600 to build a machine that could run Legion today, assuming that the requirements are what is listed for the Unreal Engine 4. If you have links to better builds, please, by all means share them. The second point I'm trying to make is that the PS4 is a computer. You can build a PC the same size as the PS4 w/ an HDMI port and be able to use it the same as you would a PS4. You can even use PS3/PS4 controllers, or many other options available to the PC that wouldn't be able to do on the PS4. Not really though. In 3-4 years your Ps4 will be playing games that this "equivalent" computer will not. Think about it, the Ps3 has a freaking 7800 GT in it, the PS3 >>>> a 7800 GT with 256 MB of ram and 256 MB system ram. Good luck running skyrim or dark souls or whatever recent release on that. Plus there is no way you can build a PC for anywhere near the cost of a PS4.. windows takes up at least 25% of the cost of the Ps4 by itself... have fun building a computer that can play blurray movies for 300 dollars. Face it, consoles are easier to use, they are cheaper to use (both power requirements and no upgrades), they remain 100% relevant for their entire lifespans, they are the focus of multiplatform development (if PC even gets a version it is bastardized), they get amazing exclusives (demon's souls, Xenoblade, Halo, Red Dead Redemption, list goes on forever). They are much more convenient, people don't look at you like you have leprosy for using them (yes, PC gaming is an "social outcast activity"). 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 397	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:33:00 - [25] - Quote major faux-pas wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). To be fair, there's no issue with doing this with a PC. Steam Big Picture or SteamOS would make that a viable possibility with a PC. Plus, you could just use a PS3 or XBox 360 controller, I use a DS3 for some of my PC gaming. As for that PC build, even though it is theoretical, it costs way more than it should. There's no use for an APU if you bought a graphics card, and you can't use both at the same time. An SSD is an unnecessary luxury, it's nice to have, but it's a horrible idea if you're trying to keep the cost down and if you're planning on using it for more than one game (120GB of storage for an entire PC isn't going to get you anywhere). Don't buy Windows, there are better, "cheaper", ways of going about that. It should have cost the same as the PS4. Honestly, I don't see the huge deal solely in the fact that they're "moving" to PC. The way they handled this ordeal was terrible, and people have a right to be pissed about that, and I am as well. If I am satisfied with the way they transfer all of our progress, then I'll probably play Legion. Yes they could have gone to the PS4, but it is apparent that CCP's experience with Sony was not exactly ideal. Almost in a similar way that our experience with CCP did not turn out to be entirely pleasant. In response, they are moving to PC, and many of us are leaving Dust.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 355	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:38:00 - [26] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The concern has very little to do with "I can't afford a PC" and more along the lines of "Did CCP just bait and switch me?" There are people out there that are getting screwed by the Legion PC bit, which sucks, but most of the vitriol is over the DUST 514 keynote, progression, and sandbox presentations being about a different product that isn't even green lit yet. Big, obvious questions like "What about my SP?", "What about my AUR purchases?" were not answered and still don't seem to have an answer short of "we don't want to leave anyone behind." Here comes the disgusting thing: what happens if Legion doesn't go through? They just announced "we cannot do what we wanted to do on the PS3 so we are moving on to the PC" in front of the gaming world. If Legion dies a quite death behind the scenes or Hilmar cuts its head off like it is a Stark at a public display, what does that mean for the game they just said could not be what they wanted it to be? Should we just fudge off and die? Yeah. That happened. Get over it.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:39:00 - [27] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: major faux-pas wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). You can use a PS3 / PS4 controller on a PC. It is not official supported and you have to search for drivers or use 3rd party programs to get it to work and that in itself is not a guarantee it will work . Also a ps4 has dedicated hardware specifically designed in the ps4 . Saying a ps4 is a pc is oversimplification . It uses pc-like architecture but it is not a pc. You also forgetting the fact that consoles decrease prices as well.
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 27	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:45:00 - [28] - Quote I updated my initial post. If anyone has more experience in building a PC gaming rig I will update my initial post with that build. My goals for a build are: - Cost is between $400-500 - Slim form-factor - The size of the PS4 approx. - HDMI port for plugging into the TV. - Meets recommended requirements for Unreal 4. - Is capable of using PS3 / PS4 controllers (although admittedly I left out bluetooth). - Will last long enough and be upgradable enough to run Legion with future updates. Clearly I did not meet these goals as well as I had hoped. I know there are far more concerns with Legion than switching platforms. My concerns are about SP transfers. I just wanted to show other players that had concerns about console that they can build a PC console. They don't need to sit at a desk in-front of a monitor.. They can build a rig that sits in their living-room and sit on the couch with their feet kicked up just as well.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2080	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:45:00 - [29] - Quote Costs are different depending from were you live. Here in Italy for a decent gaming PC you have to spend more or less 800/1000Gé¼ (without monitor) for the cheapest gaming PC. It 2.5x the cost of a PS4. PS4 cost 399 (dollars or euro) almost everywhere (except south america). It was fun till it lasted... PSN: ogamega
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2700	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:48:00 - [30] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: I updated my initial post. If anyone has more experience in building a PC gaming rig I will update my initial post with that build. My goals for a build are: - Cost is between $400-500 - Slim form-factor - The size of the PS4 approx. - HDMI port for plugging into the TV. - Meets recommended requirements for Unreal 4. - Is capable of using PS3 / PS4 controllers (although admittedly I left out bluetooth). - Will last long enough and be upgradable enough to run Legion with future updates. Clearly I did not meet these goals as well as I had hoped. I know there are far more concerns with Legion than switching platforms. My concerns are about SP transfers. I just wanted to show other players that had concerns about console that they can build a PC console. They don't need to sit at a desk in-front of a monitor.. They can build a rig that sits in their living-room and sit on the couch with their feet kicked up just as well. It should have a bluray drive as well.

Vance Alken Commando Perkone Caldari State 145	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:50:00 - [31] - Quote major faux-pas wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). You can do all of that on a PC. Like he said, PCs are far more versatile.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 397	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:51:00 - [32] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: It is not official supported and you have to search for drivers or use 3rd party programs to get it to work and that in itself is not a guaranteed it would work . Also a ps4 has dedicated hardware specifically designed in the ps4 . Saying a ps4 is a pc is oversimplification . It uses pc-like architecture but it is not a pc. You also forgetting the fact that consoles decrease prices as well. 1. So what if they're 3rd party? There's a 99% possibility that they're going to work, you would only have issues if you are running some very strange architecture, which wouldn't be a problem for a new PC gamer. 2. This isn't really comparable. In about 2 years, PC games will have surpassed consoles. The PC gamer will have to spend $100-300 to catch up to standards, while the console gamer will have to wait another 1-3 years before spending ~$500 on a console that likely won't support their current library. I'm not necessarily saying one situation is better than the other, but they aren't that easily comparable. zzZaXxx wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The concern has very little to do with "I can't afford a PC" and more along the lines of "Did CCP just bait and switch me?" There are people out there that are getting screwed by the Legion PC bit, which sucks, but most of the vitriol is over the DUST 514 keynote, progression, and sandbox presentations being about a different product that isn't even green lit yet. Big, obvious questions like "What about my SP?", "What about my AUR purchases?" were not answered and still don't seem to have an answer short of "we don't want to leave anyone behind." Here comes the disgusting thing: what happens if Legion doesn't go through? They just announced "we cannot do what we wanted to do on the PS3 so we are moving on to the PC" in front of the gaming world. If Legion dies a quite death behind the scenes or Hilmar cuts its head off like it is a Stark at a public display, what does that mean for the game they just said could not be what they wanted it to be? Should we just fudge off and die? Yeah. That happened. Get over it. People aren't going to just "get over" this. Some of us have invested 2 years and a decent amount of money into this game, in the hopes of seeing both the game and our characters progress. People deserve to be angry if they are shut out of seeing this investment through. It's like investing in an upstart project, then they decide to drop it and use the money you invested on a new project.
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 70	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:54:00 - [33] - Quote and again I gotta ask.. you know from the backlash as with Incarna.. it may never come to be (legion) and be honest.. if you own a ps3.. you probably also have a PC and possibly a xbox 360/1 and or ps4 as well most gamers my age has had most of the major systems that have ever existed. you all are freaking out for a game that may never exist at all.. calm the hell down already.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:58:00 - [34] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: major faux-pas wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). To be fair, there's no issue with doing this with a PC. Steam Big Picture or SteamOS would make that a viable possibility with a PC. Plus, you could just use a PS3 or XBox 360 controller, I use a DS3 for some of my PC gaming. As for that PC build, even though it is theoretical, it costs way more than it should. There's no use for an APU if you bought a graphics card, and you can't use both at the same time. An SSD is an unnecessary luxury, it's nice to have, but it's a horrible idea if you're trying to keep the cost down and if you're planning on using it for more than one game (120GB of storage for an entire PC isn't going to get you anywhere). Don't buy Windows, there are better, "cheaper", ways of going about that. It should have cost the same as the PS4. Honestly, I don't see the huge deal solely in the fact that they're "moving" to PC. The way they handled this ordeal was terrible, and people have a right to be pissed about that, and I am as well. If I am satisfied with the way they transfer all of our progress, then I'll probably play Legion. Yes they could have gone to the PS4, but it is apparent that CCP's experience with Sony was not exactly ideal. Almost in a similar way that our experience with CCP did not turn out to be entirely pleasant. In response, they are moving to PC, and many of us are leaving Dust. Oh I didn't know that for the Ps4 you have to legally buy one $400 But for the PC, we will just discount windows 7 to free because we can pirate.... Oh I guess the same applies for the Bluray drive. We will just assume the movie playback software is free (it is actually at least $50). Oh and why not buy a case with the free PSU in it for $40? Sure that is a wise investment because of course it is going to be just as reliable as a Ps4. How about we just buy all of the stuff second hand too, that way we could get the total cost down to $400 for a P.O.S. that will be lucky to last a year and is full of illegal software. A computer that will be as reliable as a Ps4, as strong as a Ps4, and is legally obtained will cost at least $600, if not $700 (windows = 100, PSU = 80, CPU =100, GPU = 150, BD drive = 50, BLUray software = 50, MB = 80, ram = 50, KB/M = 2-, DVI/HDMI cable = 10, Case = 20[it'll be ugly as sin and large too], HDD = 50) By my count that is $750+, not to mention all of the time you have to spend shopping for components and searching for deals, then installing windows, then installing the drivers and messing with trying to get audio over HDMI to work, adjusting your video drivers to match your television's output (you know overscan and refresh rate and custom resolutions), and god forbid you want to use a Ps3 controller (motionjoy is a P.O.S.). Now all that is left to do is buy a bluetooth/IR dongle ($10) and get it to work with your controller (be it Ps3/4 or xbox 360) and you are more or less set. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2700	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:17:00 - [35] - Quote Build a PC that has: 1.) Equal or greater power than a PS4 2.) <$550USD price tag for the whole package 3.) Bluray Drive 4.) HDMI port 5.) Small size (doesn't need to be tiny like a PS4, but small enough that you can take it places easily and without hassle) 6.) Dualshock 4 price included (+$60) Sixaxis support as well. 7.) Comes with 1 new AAA title(+$45) 8.) A decent mouse keyboard will be required for doing non-gaming activities(+ aprox. $30) 9.) Capture Card.(Share button yo!) 10.) Runs "Legion" These next two may be a bit difficult. 11.) Runs PlayStation's Exclusive titles such as Killzone and Gran Turismo, titles that I am a fan of. 12.) Still runs brand new games in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded. If your magical box meets all of these requirements, I'll get a PC. I hope now you guys can see why consoles are what some people want.
Asha Starwind 882	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:22:00 - [36] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: Better low cost builds are out there. You just built an obsolete computer that may or may not run Project Legion. You're missing the point the thing to take away from this is that a capable PC isn't that far off the cost of a new PS4. btw to improve on the OP's build video card delete +89.99 upgrade processor to a10-7800k -85.00 upgrade cpu to 650-750w unit for later upgrades -$70.00 Change in cost: $60. On-die gpu is as powerful as powerful as the stand alone one, upgraded PSU to accommodate future upgrades e.g. more ram, HDs, more powerful video card. [center][/center]
Asha Starwind 882	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:25:00 - [37] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Build a PC that has: 1.) Equal or greater power than a PS4 2.) <$550USD price tag for the whole package 3.) Bluray Drive 4.) HDMI port 5.) Small size (doesn't need to be tiny like a PS4, but small enough that you can take it places easily and without hassle) 6.) Dualshock 4 price included (+$60) Sixaxis support as well. 7.) Comes with 1 new AAA title(+$45) 8.) A decent mouse keyboard will be required for doing non-gaming activities(+ aprox. $30) 9.) Capture Card.(Share button yo!) 10.) Runs "Legion" These next ~~two~~ three may be a bit difficult. 11.) Runs PlayStation's Exclusive titles such as Killzone and Gran Turismo, titles that I am a fan of. 12.) Still runs brand new games in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded. 13.) For an extra $20ish it comes with full part failure coverage for 2 years. If your magical box meets all of these requirements, I'll get a PC. I hope now you guys can see why consoles are what some people want. Would be totally doable if it weren't for #2 [center][/center]
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2701	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:30:00 - [38] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Build a PC that has: 1.) Equal or greater power than a PS4 2.) <$550USD price tag for the whole package(shipping included) 3.) Bluray Drive 4.) HDMI port 5.) Small size (doesn't need to be tiny like a PS4, but small enough that you can take it places easily and without hassle) 6.) Dualshock 4 price included (+$60) Sixaxis support as well. 7.) Comes with 1 new AAA title(+$45) 8.) A decent mouse keyboard will be required for doing non-gaming activities(+ aprox. $30) 9.) Capture Card.(Share button yo!) 10.) Runs "Legion" These next ~~two~~ three may be a bit difficult. 11.) Runs PlayStation's Exclusive titles such as Killzone and Gran Turismo, titles that I am a fan of. 12.) Still runs brand new games in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded. 13.) For an extra $20ish it comes with full part failure coverage for 2 years. If your magical box meets all of these requirements, I'll get a PC. I hope now you guys can see why consoles are what some people want. Brandon Laurino. These words are from Brandon Laurino, that's why we're here on Ps3 and we should have got Legion or whatever upgrade on ps4. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 28	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:31:00 - [39] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Build a PC that has: 1.) Equal or greater power than a PS4 2.) <$550USD price tag for the whole package(shipping included) 3.) Bluray Drive 4.) HDMI port 5.) Small size (doesn't need to be tiny like a PS4, but small enough that you can take it places easily and without hassle) 6.) Dualshock 4 price included (+$60) Sixaxis support as well. 7.) Comes with 1 new AAA title(+$45) 8.) A decent mouse keyboard will be required for doing non-gaming activities(+ aprox. $30) 9.) Capture Card.(Share button yo!) 10.) Runs "Legion" These next ~~two~~ three may be a bit difficult. 11.) Runs PlayStation's Exclusive titles such as Killzone and Gran Turismo, titles that I am a fan of. 12.) Still runs brand new games in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded. 13.) For an extra $20ish it comes with full part failure coverage for 2 years. If your magical box meets all of these requirements, I'll get a PC. I hope now you guys can see why consoles are what some people want. You do know that Sony sells their consoles at a loss and make up for it by selling overpriced games? And you can probably get rather close to that now. In a year a build at the same price will far surpass the PS4 hardware. With a decent PC you can at least spend $100 to upgrade it to play current stuff. New games on the PS4 are restricted to limited hardware.
BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:32:00 - [40] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: This is actually a very helpful post from a PC gamer as well. It doesn't make me want to go back to PC gaming but it is appreciated much more than the posts from PC guys that equal "Ha ha ha console peasant" Thanks for that. I already have a PS4 I prefer exclusive Sony games, the ability to unplug my system and move it anywhere in my house, and knowing any game I purchase will work as intended on the system over the advantages PC offers. what about games like COD or AvP 2010 (To say some) that for example had horrible problems on matchmaking? or Skyrim/F3 problem? Platform its never a excuse... all its about developers and well (or bad) executed work.

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2701	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:32:00 - [41] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Build a PC that has: 1.) Equal or greater power than a PS4 2.) <$550USD price tag for the whole package 3.) Bluray Drive 4.) HDMI port 5.) Small size (doesn't need to be tiny like a PS4, but small enough that you can take it places easily and without hassle) 6.) Dualshock 4 price included (+$60) Sixaxis support as well. 7.) Comes with 1 new AAA title(+$45) 8.) A decent mouse keyboard will be required for doing non-gaming activities(+ aprox. $30) 9.) Capture Card.(Share button yo!) 10.) Runs "Legion" These next ~~two~~ three may be a bit difficult. 11.) Runs PlayStation's Exclusive titles such as Killzone and Gran Turismo, titles that I am a fan of. 12.) Still runs brand new games in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded. 13.) For an extra $20ish it comes with full part failure coverage for 2 years. If your magical box meets all of these requirements, I'll get a PC. I hope now you guys can see why consoles are what some people want. Would be totally doable if it weren't for #2 Or I could just get a PS4 for cheaper than even what I have a a requirement. Legally, 11 is impossible. Also, 12 should be extended to " Still runs brand new games with medium graphics settings in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded."
Asha Starwind 883	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:41:00 - [42] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: -snip- Would be totally doable if it weren't for #2 Or I could just get a PS4 for cheaper than even what I have a a requirement. Legally, 11 is impossible. Also, 12 should be extended to " Still runs brand new games with medium graphics settings in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded." But then look at all the things you can to besides gaming on a PC, that you can to do with a PS4/XB1. It just isn't fair to compare them like that. [center][/center]
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2701	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:46:00 - [43] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: -snip- Would be totally doable if it weren't for #2 Or I could just get a PS4 for cheaper than even what I have a a requirement. Legally, 11 is impossible. Also, 12 should be extended to " Still runs brand new games with medium graphics settings in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded." But then look at all the things you can to besides gaming on a PC, that you can to do with a PS4/XB1. It just isn't fair to compare them like that. It is true that PC allows upgradability and modding of games, and while modding some games sounds like fun, its not a huge selling point for me. I'm also more interested in not having to upgrade than being able to. What I am trying to say is that just telling us console players to go get a PC to play Legion is having no effect. I don't want a PC it isn't my thing. I want Legion on PS4.
BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:46:00 - [44] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Build a PC that has: 1.) Equal or greater power than a PS4 2.) <$550USD price tag for the whole package(shipping included) 3.) Bluray Drive 4.) HDMI port 5.) Small size (doesn't need to be tiny like a PS4, but small enough that you can take it places easily and without hassle) 6.) Dualshock 4 price included (+$60) Sixaxis support as well. 7.) Comes with 1 new AAA title(+$45) 8.) A decent mouse keyboard will be required for doing non-gaming activities(+ aprox. $30) 9.) Capture Card.(Share button yo!) 10.) Runs "Legion" These next ~~two~~ three may be a bit difficult. 11.) Runs PlayStation's Exclusive titles such as Killzone and Gran Turismo, titles that I am a fan of. 12.) Still runs brand new games in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded. 13.) For an extra $20ish it comes with full part failure coverage for 2 years. If your magical box meets all of these requirements, I'll get a PC. I hope now you guys can see why consoles are what some people want. Easy when you forget: player made content 4 free (mods & maps), Steam offers, the chance to play all genres (like mmo or strategy), liberty of use controllers, mouse/keyboard, occulus rift, be able to do anything and play/use all kinds of extensions (mp4, avi, etc), not need to pay a monthly fee to play content you have already paid with your purchase (online), the chance to update and If you re not a graphic ***** at an amazing good price, the compatibility of most of PC games (not like on consoles where you must wait and pay a new time to get a HD/ stupid update version of your games), its own exclusives (example Star citizen), etc etc.... If your magical PS4 get this I'll get it.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2701	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:52:00 - [45] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Build a PC that has: 1.) Equal or greater power than a PS4 2.) <$550USD price tag for the whole package(shipping included) 3.) Bluray Drive 4.) HDMI port 5.) Small size (doesn't need to be tiny like a PS4, but small enough that you can take it places easily and without hassle) 6.) Dualshock 4 price included (+$60) Sixaxis support as well. 7.) Comes with 1 new AAA title(+$45) 8.) A decent mouse keyboard will be required for doing non-gaming activities(+ aprox. $30) 9.) Capture Card.(Share button yo!) 10.) Runs "Legion" These next ~~two~~ three may be a bit difficult. 11.) Runs PlayStation's Exclusive titles such as Killzone and Gran Turismo, titles that I am a fan of. 12.) Still runs brand new games in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded. 13.) For an extra $20ish it comes with full part failure coverage for 2 years. If your magical box meets all of these requirements, I'll get a PC. I hope now you guys can see why consoles are what some people want. Easy when you forget: player made content 4 free (mods & maps), Steam offers, the chance to play all genres (like mmo or strategy), liberty of use controllers, mouse/keyboard, occulus rift, be able to do anything and play/use all kinds of extensions (mp4, avi, etc), not need to pay a monthly fee to play content you have already paid with your purchase (online), the chance to update and If you re not a graphic ***** at an amazing good price, the compatibility of most of PC games (not like on consoles where you must wait and pay a new time to get a HD/ stupid update version of your games), its own exclusives (example Star citizen), etc etc.... If your magical PS4 get this I'll get it. Two different kinds of people. I'm not as interested in what you are and vice versa.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 901	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:06:00 - [46] - Quote I'm not getting a gaming PC simply for the fact I would have to spend a lot more money to get a rig that was just as powerful as the PS4. When prices change in 3-5 years then I will. Until then I will continue to enjoy my stellar graphics at a great bargain.
BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:12:00 - [47] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Build a PC that has: 1.) Equal or greater power than a PS4 2.) <$550USD price tag for the whole package(shipping included) 3.) Bluray Drive 4.) HDMI port 5.) Small size (doesn't need to be tiny like a PS4, but small enough that you can take it places easily and without hassle) 6.) Dualshock 4 price included (+$60) Sixaxis support as well. 7.) Comes with 1 new AAA title(+$45) 8.) A decent mouse keyboard will be required for doing non-gaming activities(+ aprox. $30) 9.) Capture Card.(Share button yo!) 10.) Runs "Legion" These next ~~two~~ three may be a bit difficult. 11.) Runs PlayStation's Exclusive titles such as Killzone and Gran Turismo, titles that I am a fan of. 12.) Still runs brand new games in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded. 13.) For an extra $20ish it comes with full part failure coverage for 2 years. If your magical box meets all of these requirements, I'll get a PC. I hope now you guys can see why consoles are what some people want. Easy when you forget: player made content 4 free (mods & maps), Steam offers, the chance to play all genres (like mmo or strategy), liberty of use controllers, mouse/keyboard, occulus rift, be able to do anything and play/use all kinds of extensions (mp4, avi, etc), not need to pay a monthly fee to play content you have already paid with your purchase (online), the chance to update and If you re not a graphic ***** at an amazing good price, the compatibility of most of PC games (not like on consoles where you must wait and pay a new time to get a HD/ stupid update version of your games), its own exclusives (example Star citizen), etc etc.... If your magical PS4 get this I'll get it. Two different kinds of people. I'm not as interested in what you are and vice versa. U sure? what re that good new things consoles get now? Streaming? (in PC), Social options? (in PC), new controller? (in PC), more power/better graphics than on last gen? (in PC), Kinect/move? (In PC, not move,yes wiimote) etc... Old Advantages in consoles: Easy to use, fast (not requires installation), all power to play because there re not running other things at the same time, last all gen and rivalizes with PC in terms of quality, better price than a PC, their own exclusives. Now: Exclusives, sighly less price than a PC that can do the same and a ton of things more. You like to play ok, I like to play and also like to use my platform for other things... more options = better... I dont know why you people try to split the gamer community assuming PC gamers and console gamers re different worlds. *The hilarious about this its im writting this on my PS3 lol.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 397	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:19:00 - [48] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Build a PC that has: 1.) Equal or greater power than a PS4 2.) <$550USD price tag for the whole package(shipping included) 3.) Bluray Drive 4.) HDMI port 5.) Small size (doesn't need to be tiny like a PS4, but small enough that you can take it places easily and without hassle) 6.) Dualshock 4 price included (+$60) Sixaxis support as well. 7.) Comes with 1 new AAA title(+$45) 8.) A decent mouse keyboard will be required for doing non-gaming activities(+ aprox. $30) 9.) Capture Card.(Share button yo!) 10.) Runs "Legion" These next ~~two~~ three may be a bit difficult. 11.) Runs PlayStation's Exclusive titles such as Killzone and Gran Turismo, titles that I am a fan of. 12.) Still runs brand new games in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded. 13.) For an extra $20ish it comes with full part failure coverage for 2 years. If your magical box meets all of these requirements, I'll get a PC. I hope now you guys can see why consoles are what some people want. Not trying to disprove your point, but I think I have something that mostly meets your specs. Link some things that might not be immediately apparent: 2. Comes out to a decent amount less than $550 after rebates 6. Use a DS3, most (current and past) AAA titles don't utilize sixaxis, Dust doesn't and Legion wouldn't have 7. Steam has plenty of sales, and I'm sure you could find another GPU that comes with a couple (it is common practice for graphics cards to come with codes for 1-2 current AAA games) 8. I'm sure most people would already have these/know someone willing to lend you some extras. 9. NVIDIA includes capture software with their current drivers 12. A console won't do this either, not up to brand new PC standards. 13. Many manufacturers/stores do this, how is this relevant to the PS4? Don't make these kind of claims without doing your homework, you still have a point, but don't make it with sketchy info. EDIT: Screwed up wish list link, just a sec.
Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 4997	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:21:00 - [49] - Quote I don't really care either way, but PC is always more of a pain in the ass. I've almost never had a PC game work well before having to iron out a shitload of launcher bugs and etc.
Csikszent Mihalyi Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 254	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:24:00 - [50] - Quote In case it hasn't been pointed out yet, the system requirements on that page are for Unreal Engine development (i.e. the editor). System requirements for individual games vary wildly of course. Not that it fundamentally changes the message of the post, just thought it should be mentioned.

Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:40:00 - [51] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: -snip- Would be totally doable if it weren't for #2 Or I could just get a PS4 for cheaper than even what I have a a requirement. Legally, 11 is impossible. Also, 12 should be extended to " Still runs brand new games with medium graphics settings in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded." But then look at all the things you can to besides gaming on a PC, that you can to do with a PS4/XB1. It just isn't fair to compare them like that. It is true that PC allows upgradability and modding of games, and while modding some games sounds like fun, its not a huge selling point for me. I'm also more interested in not having to upgrade than being able to. What I am trying to say is that just telling us console players to go get a PC to play Legion is having no effect. I don't want a PC it isn't my thing. I want Legion on PS4. I think there's a problem with either/or. For the record yes I own the PS3 and I own a pc. I think alienware is crap as my desktop is an i7, 24gb ram and running two nvidias. My pc is a behemoth but Legion should have been both platforms for one reason: greater game base increases the odds of player interest and also adds the unique experiences that one side would never know. If CCP bothered to ever play MAG let alone watch videos of it, they would have dozen ideas on how they could've tweaked their game in the beginning to avoid the problems it now suffers from: proto stomping, overpowered weapon imbalances, how too much new content and ignoring base game issues result in a more broken game down the road. I won't get Legion solely out of principle and belief it will fail; you can change the Dust engine but you can't change the people who work on it. apparently. Different game, same mistakes, so why buy into it? This isn't an Apple versus Windows, iOS versus Android. It's a game that can be made to be mutually exclusive. If there's anything that technology also taught us is that no matter how flashy, how much special effects are present or how good the tech is in making the game, if the basics don't work it'll suck. Anyone remember all of the buzz Star Wars Episode 1 made with it's "updated graphics and technology" to progress the storyline. All I remember was falling asleep until a saber fight scene broke out and I didn't know initially who was who. The idea that Dust is outdated because it's supporting the PS3 is like saying the core mechanic issues are not because the developers can't fix it but it's the PS3 fault. What's next, the dog chewed the USB drive that all the code fixes were on?
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 70	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:41:00 - [52] - Quote I don't want a PC because I have to upgrade every 5-7 years complaint.. but I will go out and buy the next generation of whatever console every 5-7 years.. people that is called upgrading. so stop saying you don't want a PC because you don't want to pay for upgrades.. if you are a real gamer you already own a PC and a PS3 and a xbox360. As well as looking at getting a PS4 on top of that... and you do upgrade the computer every 5-7 years. no you don't want a PC because you are PS fan boys and think that's all you need.. now stop lying to yourselves and just admit it. me I have a pc 360 and ps3... and getting a 2nd generation PS4.. why?? because I game a lot and want as many options as possible.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2704	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:04:00 - [53] - Quote akira 1999 wrote: I don't want a PC because I have to upgrade every 5-7 years complaint.. but I will go out and buy the next generation of whatever console every 5-7 years.. people that is called upgrading. so stop saying you don't want a PC because you don't want to pay for upgrades.. if you are a real gamer you already own a PC and a PS3 and a xbox360. As well as looking at getting a PS4 on top of that... and you do upgrade the computer every 5-7 years. no you don't want a PC because you are PS fan boys and think that's all you need.. now stop lying to yourselves and just admit it. me I have a pc 360 and ps3... and getting a 2nd generation PS4.. why?? because I game a lot and want as many options as possible. You lost all credibility at "if you are a real gamer...". Elitism, folks...
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2704	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:07:00 - [54] - Quote Question time Say I get a PS4, because I see it as a better alternative to current PCs. 2 years after I get it, the warranty expires and it begins truly lagging behind gaming PCs as far as quality is concerned. Would it be possible for me to upgrade and jailbreak my PS4 at that point to basically turn it into a PC/PS4 hybrid monster?perhaps even jury rig a bit...
Csikszent Mihalyi Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 257	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:12:00 - [55] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Question time Say I get a PS4, because I see it as a better alternative to current PCs. 2 years after I get it, the warranty expires and it begins truly lagging behind gaming PCs as far as quality is concerned. Would it be possible for me to upgrade and jailbreak my PS4 at that point to basically turn it into a PC/PS4 hybrid monster?perhaps even jury rig a bit... Maybe if you have a degree in electronics, but then what would be the point if no game for the platform would allow you to increase the quality.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2704	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:15:00 - [56] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Question time Say I get a PS4, because I see it as a better alternative to current PCs. 2 years after I get it, the warranty expires and it begins truly lagging behind gaming PCs as far as quality is concerned. Would it be possible for me to upgrade and jailbreak my PS4 at that point to basically turn it into a PC/PS4 hybrid monster?perhaps even jury rig a bit... Maybe if you have a degree in electronics, but then what would be the point if no game for the platform would allow you to increase the quality. I don't think you understand. What I have in mind is to keep the PS4 working as a PS4, but have the option to switch out hardware/hard drive so I could just turn it directly into a PC with the ability to switch back to a PS4 for exclusive titles.
RED-EYE -JEDI G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 203	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:19:00 - [57] - Quote well for the price for a PS4 you can buy about 1000 fried chicken legs. I think that's a wise investment. Forge Gun = Mechanised Hadouken
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 398	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:24:00 - [58] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Question time Say I get a PS4, because I see it as a better alternative to current PCs. 2 years after I get it, the warranty expires and it begins truly lagging behind gaming PCs as far as quality is concerned. Would it be possible for me to upgrade and jailbreak my PS4 at that point to basically turn it into a PC/PS4 hybrid monster?perhaps even jury rig a bit... It is possible that the PS4 could eventually be hacked to run Linux or even Windows. Currently, it's just a theoretical possibility, but who knows what might be developed. It is/was possible on the PS3, but I'm not sure of the compatibility with various firmware versions. After two years of firmware updates? Your chances of doing something like that would be significantly reduced. Does anyone really pay attention to those warranties anymore? I've never had to send a product in that I couldn't easily revert to stock and back.
Csikszent Mihalyi Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 258	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:28:00 - [59] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Question time Say I get a PS4, because I see it as a better alternative to current PCs. 2 years after I get it, the warranty expires and it begins truly lagging behind gaming PCs as far as quality is concerned. Would it be possible for me to upgrade and jailbreak my PS4 at that point to basically turn it into a PC/PS4 hybrid monster?perhaps even jury rig a bit... Maybe if you have a degree in electronics, but then what would be the point if no game for the platform would allow you to increase the quality. I don't think you understand. What I have in mind is to keep the PS4 working as a PS4, but have the option to switch out hardware/hard drive so I could just turn it directly into a PC with the ability to switch back to a PS4 for exclusive titles. It's very unlikely that you would find a way to get Windows running on it, which would be required to play any PC games. Linux perhaps, but don't expect it to be easy. Also, the technical effort and ingenuity required to pull this off would probably be worth more than a brand new PC to begin with. :) Another thing is that the hardware alone isn't really that powerful compared to an average PC. It works well because PS4 games can optimise for the specific hardware, but generic Windows games would not run nearly as well.
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 70	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:29:00 - [60] - Quote lol.. I see you saw the elitism there.. no I'm no elite.. I just game a lot.. so I have multiple systems because of how long I have been gaming for now. coming up on 3 decades of gaming. amazing it's been that long. ultimatemly it comes down to the individual person... some will buy just one platform, and some get as many platforms as possible. or something in between. just never say never... only got the ps3 in the first place was to play dust.

Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 545	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:30:00 - [61] - Quote akira 1999 wrote: I don't want a PC because I have to upgrade every 5-7 years complaint.. but I will go out and buy the next generation of whatever console every 5-7 years.. people that is called upgrading. so stop saying you don't want a PC because you don't want to pay for upgrades.. if you are a real gamer you already own a PC and a PS3 and a xbox360. As well as looking at getting a PS4 on top of that... and you do upgrade the computer every 5-7 years. no you don't want a PC because you are PS fan boys and think that's all you need.. now stop lying to yourselves and just admit it. me I have a pc 360 and ps3... and getting a 2nd generation PS4.. why?? because I game a lot and want as many options as possible. uh ive had almost every console (not including the next gen ones) and not including the nintendo ones well i do have a wi but that is just a door stopper now
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 70	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:31:00 - [62] - Quote and ps4 is designed with PC based software.. more a PS and PC hybrid technology wise. pc game developers when they first saw the software they fell in love because ist so close to c++
RED-EYE -JEDI G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 203	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:31:00 - [63] - Quote tape two ps2's together done, then glue a laptop on top. easy PC hybrid ps4, Forge Gun = Mechanised Hadouken
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14003	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:32:00 - [64] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: #PCmasterrace Your sig wins the forums. Just saying.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 398	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:32:00 - [65] - Quote Csikszent Mihalyi wrote: Another thing is that the hardware alone isn't really that powerful compared to an average PC. It works well because PS4 games can optimise for the specific hardware, but generic Windows games would not run nearly as well. I would keep this in mind. The architectures are so different that it would be very unlikely that you would get any highly intensive software running, like AAA games and high-end tools (Photoshop, IDEs, Office, etc.). Yes, they have all the same basic components, but they all work together very differently in consoles.
TODDSTER024 Revive Repair Resupply 203	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:35:00 - [66] - Quote I stopped playing pc games back in the pentium days. Got tired/poor having to constantly upgrade ebery three months just to play a game. A good pc that should last a good while should run you around $700
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:40:00 - [67] - Quote Here you go plebs. http://i.imgur.com/5RoUDJ8.png http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/171158-can-you-build-a-gaming-pc-better-than-the-ps4-for-400 Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like:
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 0	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:13:00 - [68] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing.
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:27:00 - [69] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs What most people (and some ego boosted idiot like the guy above) don't understand IT'S NOT ONLY MONEY. I play FPS since they were born. FPS many of you have only ear about like Doom, Doom2, Quake and Quake 2-3 ETC ETC. That was only on PC. There is a reason why many people switched over console. It's Competition. When i get kill i want to know that the guy that kill me was in an equal play field. 2 problems rise with a PC game: the first and MOST important in a FPS are AIMBOT-TRIGBOT-WALLHACKZ, they are a nuisance in every Battlefield/COD etc etc Now imagine that ****** things in a MMOFPS where very death count. Cant possibly go well. The second one is that a consolle is a equal play field. You come with the same controller, the same CPU etc etc. On consolle you don't have to worry about 1000000 DPI mouse, or MACRO-keybord that can put you at disadvantage even before logging the game. And there is no way to balance this 2 thing. The difference being in those games, getting banned on a server doesnt matter. However, itll matter here. Get banned from the server, your character is really dead. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like:
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 0	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:34:00 - [70] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: The difference being in those games, getting banned on a server doesnt matter. However, itll matter here. Get banned from the server, your character is really dead. Based on actual DUST Great, now tell me how useless is ban when i can get a new account in 3 sec, spend a 500.000sp and bring CR on LVL 5 + PRO and than HEADSHOT you to death during a planetary conquest? I don't need PROTO, 'cause my shot are 100% hitting you head.

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2720	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:42:00 - [71] - Quote Phoenix 85 wrote: Here you go plebs. http://i.imgur.com/5RoUDJ8.png http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/171158-can-you-build-a-gaming-pc-better-than-the-ps4-for-400 Everything's great when the article starts with Quote: From the get-go, we have a problem: The APU in the PS4 is unique. It pairs an 8-core Jaguar CPU with, essentially, the Radeon HD 7850. The best AMD APU currently on the market (the Richland A10-6800K) has about one third of the processing power of the PS4GÇ¦s GPU. There are no 8-core Jaguar parts on the market GÇö only the quad-core Kabini A6-5200, which is paired with an even weaker GPU than the A10. Kaveri, when it comes to market in January 2014, will be a closer match GÇö but the PS4 will still have around twice the graphics grunt. In short, weGÇÖre forced to use a CPU and discrete GPU. It just got a lot harder to hit our $400 target. Quote: The other big problem is the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, which has an utterly insane peak bandwidth of 176 gigabytes per second. There is no way to build a PC with such a configuration. In the PS4, the RAM is used by both the CPU and GPU in a HSA 2.0 configuration, providing a sizable speed boost GÇô an option that isnGÇÖt available to the PC world until Kaveri launches. ItGÇÖs important to note that even if we could slot some GDDR5 RAM into a PC motherboard, it would probably be much more expensive than conventional DDR3. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 1	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:47:00 - [72] - Quote don't forget this part too "The other big problem is the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, which has an utterly insane peak bandwidth of 176 gigabytes per second. There is no way to build a PC with such a configuration. In the PS4, the RAM is used by both the CPU and GPU in a HSA 2.0 configuration, providing a sizable speed boost GÇô an option that isnGÇÖt available to the PC world until Kaveri launches. ItGÇÖs important to note that even if we could slot some GDDR5 RAM into a PC motherboard, it would probably be much more expensive than conventional DDR3." and So, there you have it: It is just about possible to build a PS4-comparable PC for $400. You make a lot of concessions, though: We havenGÇÖt included the price of an operating system, nor a keyboard/mouse/gamepad. The DM-387 case is a lot bigger than the PS4. ThereGÇÖs no optical drive, so youGÇÖre forced to load games via USB or digitally download them via Steam. But everyone has an old copy of Windows XP/7 and a spare Xbox 360 or DualShock gamepad kicking around, right?
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 4	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:00:00 - [73] - Quote so we lost all the "PCMASTERRACE" crowd??
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2723	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:05:00 - [74] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: so we lost all the "PCMASTERRACE" crowd?? sssssh! They're still trying to figure out why their self-made ps4-like PCs costs more than ps4 itself. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3091	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:08:00 - [75] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: don't forget this part too "The other big problem is the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, which has an utterly insane peak bandwidth of 176 gigabytes per second. There is no way to build a PC with such a configuration. In the PS4, the RAM is used by both the CPU and GPU in a HSA 2.0 configuration, providing a sizable speed boost GÇô an option that isnGÇÖt available to the PC world until Kaveri launches. ItGÇÖs important to note that even if we could slot some GDDR5 RAM into a PC motherboard, it would probably be much more expensive than conventional DDR3." and So, there you have it: It is just about possible to build a PS4-comparable PC for $400. You make a lot of concessions, though: We havenGÇÖt included the price of an operating system, nor a keyboard/mouse/gamepad. The DM-387 case is a lot bigger than the PS4. ThereGÇÖs no optical drive, so youGÇÖre forced to load games via USB or digitally download them via Steam. But everyone has an old copy of Windows XP/7 and a spare Xbox 360 or DualShock gamepad kicking around, right? Facts are OP. I'll also leave this here. Money is not an issue for me in this regard and has nothing to do with my decision. I simply don't want to play games on a PC. I hate KBM, I hate hax, I hate the CPU/GPU arms race, I just want to kick back and play games. o7 I'm out. See you on the other side. psn: bobswerski
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 580	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:18:00 - [76] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: If Legion were to use Unreal Engine 4, here are the specs required: Quote: Desktop PC or Mac Windows 7 64-bit or Mac OS X 10.9.2 or later Quad-core Intel or AMD processor, 2.5 GHz or faster NVIDIA GeForce 470 GTX or AMD Radeon 6870 HD series card or higher 8 GB RAM And this is based on: https://www.unrealengine.com/faq This is a mismash of parts that would "work together" to run Unreal Engine 4: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22254751 This is just to illustrate price (w/ Windows license). There are much better builds out there where the parts work together best. I am by no means an expert, so DO NOT buy this build. Don't go buy a computer now because we don't know what Legion's future will be. From what I gathered it costs at least $500-600 to build a PC that will run Unreal 4. It costs $399 to buy a PS4. I know that there are more issues involved with Legion than moving platform. But a number of people have claimed they will not play Legion solely because of the platform change. What I want to emphasize is the PS4 is a computer too! You can build a slim PC with an HDMI port and use a PS3/PS4 controller on it too. You can even use a flight stick for those drop ships. A PC can be just as much of a console as a PS4. I see what you are doing trying to get a comparison of costs and such. However building a system that is meant to meet only the minimum requirements is going to suck playing the game. PC games are much different than consoles where you only need to have the console and whala it works fine if the game is meant to run on the console. With PC games if the pc only meets the min requirements the game will run yes. Will it run smooth? not likely not unless there is absolutely nothing else running on the system and windows (or mac os) is behaving perfectly. The mid range graphics cards can be bought for about 200$ or so. Motherboard and cpu i wouldnt expect to spend less than 300$ for. Memory should really not be skimped on either i would expect to spend about 200$ on ram ( i would expect to buy about 8 gigs ) and of course windows 7 64 bit (because 32bit is so 70's) i think goes for 120$? These numbers are all just from the last time i built a rig that was a mid range rig just under a year ago and i do not guarentee accuracy. I would expect to spend about 700 or 800$ on a decent gaming rig that you wouldn't have to upgrade next year because of updated graphics.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1275	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:22:00 - [77] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: If Legion were to use Unreal Engine 4, here are the specs required: Quote: Desktop PC or Mac Windows 7 64-bit or Mac OS X 10.9.2 or later Quad-core Intel or AMD processor, 2.5 GHz or faster NVIDIA GeForce 470 GTX or AMD Radeon 6870 HD series card or higher 8 GB RAM And this is based on: https://www.unrealengine.com/faq Actually, these are not "required", they're recommended. And not for playing a game that uses UE4, either. They're the recommended specs to DEVELOP with UE4. Therefore, the people you should be showing these specs to are not us, they're CCP. After all, they're the ones developing EVE: Legion, not us. Unreal Engine 4 FAQ wrote: What are Unreal Engine 4's system requirements? You will need a powerful setup to get started developing with UE4 right now. Here's what we recommend: Desktop PC or Mac Windows 7 64-bit or Mac OS X 10.9.2 or later Quad-core Intel or AMD processor, 2.5 GHz or faster NVIDIA GeForce 470 GTX or AMD Radeon 6870 HD series card or higher 8 GB RAM
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1315	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:35:00 - [78] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: don't forget this part too "The other big problem is the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, which has an utterly insane peak bandwidth of 176 gigabytes per second. There is no way to build a PC with such a configuration. In the PS4, the RAM is used by both the CPU and GPU in a HSA 2.0 configuration, providing a sizable speed boost GÇô an option that isnGÇÖt available to the PC world until Kaveri launches. ItGÇÖs important to note that even if we could slot some GDDR5 RAM into a PC motherboard, it would probably be much more expensive than conventional DDR3." and So, there you have it: It is just about possible to build a PS4-comparable PC for $400. You make a lot of concessions, though: We havenGÇÖt included the price of an operating system, nor a keyboard/mouse/gamepad. The DM-387 case is a lot bigger than the PS4. ThereGÇÖs no optical drive, so youGÇÖre forced to load games via USB or digitally download them via Steam. But everyone has an old copy of Windows XP/7 and a spare Xbox 360 or DualShock gamepad kicking around, right? The bandwidth part is useless without a bit of context. The PS4 uses GDDR5 because graphics cards get easily starved for memory, causing performance bottlenecks. Since it uses an AMD APU where the GPU resides on the same die as the CPU using DDR3 ram would severily hamper the GPU part, but not the CPU sections which use integrated caches to circumvet this issue which are much faster than any RAM anyways. Here you can see that increasing the memory clock speed (that usually goes hand in hand with higher bandwidth) does not benefit CPUs too much.Since any dGPU you can purchase will have it's own RAM on PCB, and it will almost always be GDDR outside of the very lowest tier of cards, citing the massive memory bandwidth of the PS4 APU is of little relevance for most CPU+dGPU setups. The "big problem" they talk about isn't really a problem at all. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 468	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:39:00 - [79] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. Having built PC's before, I find your comment slightly ironic as building a PC is much like putting a square peg into a square hole. I always tell people it's like building with Legos. Especially with a quick Google search bringing up hundreds and thousands of builds at different price ranges. No one is concerned about the game being offered on PC. It's the outright lies and misleading info leading all the way up to Fanfest. For many people, myself included, it's a choice between a mediocre gaming PC or a console. $500 bucks simply provides a better console experience than a PC experience(Steambox may or may not change this). For many of us, CCP just put a $500+ price tag on their game. And that's the bottom end. TLDR: CCP Lied to their customers and allowed Dust players to travel to Fanfest knowing full well that they had no intention of sharing anything more then a PC concept.
Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 2146	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:01:00 - [80] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. Having built PC's before, I find your comment slightly ironic as building a PC is much like putting a square peg into a square hole. I always tell people it's like building with Legos. Especially with a quick Google search bringing up hundreds and thousands of builds at different price ranges. No one is concerned about the game being offered on PC. It's the outright lies and misleading info leading all the way up to Fanfest. For many people, myself included, it's a choice between a mediocre gaming PC or a console. $500 bucks simply provides a better console experience than a PC experience(Steambox may or may not change this). For many of us, CCP just put a $500+ price tag on their game. And that's the bottom end. TLDR: CCP Lied to their customers and allowed Dust players to travel to Fanfest knowing full well that they had no intention of sharing anything more then a PC concept. Dude, do you honestly think that I or anyone else hasn't seen this argument made on the forums a hundred times already? This thread was simply about "Cost of PS4 vs a PC", not about why CCP betrayed your trust and lied and stole your money and blah blah blah. There are plenty of other threads for you to go tell people that. Follow me on Twitch.tv!

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1440	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:16:00 - [81] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: -snip- Would be totally doable if it weren't for #2 Or I could just get a PS4 for cheaper than even what I have a a requirement. Legally, 11 is impossible. Also, 12 should be extended to " Still runs brand new games with medium graphics settings in 5-7 years without needing to be upgraded." But then look at all the things you can to besides gaming on a PC, that you can to do with a PS4/XB1. It just isn't fair to compare them like that. For a gamer looking for something to game on, yes. It totally is. We are the 514, and we will not forget RIP Dust
Jarod Garamonde Jr Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 70	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:44:00 - [82] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs. You can buy a gaming rig too, http://www.alienware.com/ If you don't mind paying 50% more. And what else can you do with a PC? -do your taxes -manage your bank account -surf Wikipedia and TVTropes -communicate with friends and family -store important data -type up reports and essays for college classes -apply for jobs -shop for things you can't find at local stores -plan a vacation -research things -learn -plan a budget -find your next future ex wife on match.com (they have a special setting to help you find only redheads..... very useful) -listen to music -waste time on Twitter, Tumblr, and LOLCats -p0rn -turn yourself into a twitching hypochondriac on WebMD -argue with antivax derpists -play classic games from long-dead consoles as well as classic PC games (original Fallout series, FTW!) -post on these forums -play EVE -etc, etc.... Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 718	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:50:00 - [83] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: so we lost all the "PCMASTERRACE" crowd?? They can't go against logic and reason , you can see that because no one is disputing you ...they would rather go against someone that doesn't make them feel small , I guess that's what a master race does . Right is right and I love to see people using logic and reason . Great work Jastaddd . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Kelestia Colvolian DUST'S Rouge Wedding 103	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:56:00 - [84] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs. You can buy a gaming rig too, http://www.alienware.com/ If you don't mind paying 50% more. And what else can you do with a PC? -do your taxes -manage your bank account -surf Wikipedia and TVTropes -communicate with friends and family -store important data -type up reports and essays for college classes -apply for jobs -shop for things you can't find at local stores -plan a vacation -research things -learn -plan a budget -find your next future ex wife on match.com (they have a special setting to help you find only redheads..... very useful) -listen to music -waste time on Twitter, Tumblr, and LOLCats -p0rn -turn yourself into a twitching hypochondriac on WebMD -argue with antivax derpists -play classic games from long-dead consoles as well as classic PC games (original Fallout series, FTW!) -post on these forums -play EVE -etc, etc.... Most of the above I do on my phone and/or my work laptop. My gaming PC I literally use only for gaming (and hardly anything but EVE at that). Actually I use my PS3 for more than my gaming PC, because the PS3 is useful for watching DVDs and my Amazon Prime Instant Video thing.
major faux-pas Irish Assassins 126	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:34:00 - [85] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: major faux-pas wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole. It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). You can use a PS3 / PS4 controller on a PC. nice one, ok, this is getting LESS bad... still, the idea of buying a pc towards this game given the lack of sense so far is a little uncertain. I mean the balance issues alone (coz they are stupid and easy) the bugs dont bother me so much coz they can be harder to fix. thanks bud, the controller thing is good to know.
Scrufulufgus Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:40:00 - [86] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs. You can buy a gaming rig too, http://www.alienware.com/ If you don't mind paying 50% more. Actually now that Alienware is owned Dell you get a refurb or return from delloutlet.com on a holiday sale for mad cheap. Got an X51 fully maxed except no SSD for 600.00. Comes with mouse, keyboard, and warranty. They are regularly marked down by 30-50% off and then take an addition 30-50% off on something like the 4th of July sale.
z z top Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:42:00 - [87] - Quote apples are $.99 a pound oranges are $.89 so what i have both and will still not be playing legion on PC.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2572	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:43:00 - [88] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: If Legion were to use Unreal Engine 4, here are the specs required: Quote: Desktop PC or Mac Windows 7 64-bit or Mac OS X 10.9.2 or later Quad-core Intel or AMD processor, 2.5 GHz or faster NVIDIA GeForce 470 GTX or AMD Radeon 6870 HD series card or higher 8 GB RAM And this is based on: https://www.unrealengine.com/faq This is a mismash of parts that would "work together" to run Unreal Engine 4: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22254751 This is just to illustrate price (w/ Windows license). There are much better builds out there where the parts work together best. I am by no means an expert, so DO NOT buy this build. Don't go buy a computer now because we don't know what Legion's future will be. From what I gathered it costs at least $500-600 to build a PC that will run Unreal 4. It costs $399 to buy a PS4. I know that there are more issues involved with Legion than moving platform. But a number of people have claimed they will not play Legion solely because of the platform change. What I want to emphasize is the PS4 is a computer too! You can build a slim PC with an HDMI port and use a PS3/PS4 controller on it too. You can even use a flight stick for those drop ships. A PC can be just as much of a console as a PS4. I think a 4 or 5 year old PC should suffice from what we've seen from Legion so far. May change as Legion develops, but then again: This will also change the PC prices. Just compare prices a bit. I'm pretty sure a PC for 300 bucks is enough. Besides that a PC is capable of way more than a PS4. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2499	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:44:00 - [89] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: reddit.com/r/buildapc If you're interested in building your own. I lol'd. Relying on reddit to build a PC! That's a good one!
z z top Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:46:00 - [90] - Quote just rename this thread look at newegg.com to build an appliance you probably already have and completely miss the point. christ you people are stupid if you think this is about whether or not people have or want a computer. its about continuing to play the game they have invested two years into the same or similar platform they came into it with. what if apple said hey we love the support for the iphone over the years but if you want to keep using its services you now need to use an ipad.

Scrufulufgus Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:49:00 - [91] - Quote Well considering the people who buy apple products. They would probably do it in a heart beat.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2007	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:53:00 - [92] - Quote I am ok with legion on PC because I want to go PC anyway. I can probably upgrade to a point where legion will run at SOME setting within reason. Where did you hear the Legions on UR4? Because you wanted to be something you're not.
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3254	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:53:00 - [93] - Quote But you can do a fk load more with a PC and it lasts longer, consoles are fotm on every level. Well that was fun
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3254	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:56:00 - [94] - Quote z z top wrote: just rename this thread look at newegg.com to build an appliance you probably already have and completely miss the point. christ you people are stupid if you think this is about whether or not people have or want a computer. its about continuing to play the game they have invested two years into the same or similar platform they came into it with. what if apple said hey we love the support for the iphone over the years but if you want to keep using its services you now need to use an ipad. Indeed, which boils down to if people want a PC or not. Dust isn't even dead and I'll still play, there's way too much hype going on and hysterical rubbish. Tldr: Do people eat fruit tacos?. Well that was fun
Foxbat 071 Inner.Hell 184	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:15:00 - [95] - Quote A cool thing about building a PC is that you can look out for sales on the specific parts you plan on buying. You can save a ton of money buying your parts on cyber Monday. I just recently built a PC for ~450 that will run damn near any game. You just have to be a smart buyer. (My CPU came with a Saints Row IV game key. I called Microsoft and they gave me a Windows 7 key for free boom 150$ for free) As for upgrading, I won't need to upgrade my GPU for at least another 3-4 years. My CPU will be relevant for as long as the PS4 is. My case has room for 7 more hard drives and 2 more disc drives whenever I feel like adding more. My MB will support another 8GB of RAM. I'm looking at maybe $300 of essential upgrades in the next 10 years. At the end of the day, upgrading a PC isn't all that different $-wise as buying a console every generation. I don't want to come off as a "PC gamer". I own consoles and have put more time into consoles than PCs. What I am is someone with an open mind that know's when to put my ego aside and recognize that there are shtty sides to console gaming and shtty sides to PC gaming. If you do both you don't have to worry about games jumping from one to another. Adapt or Die. If you don't want to, that's your call. Just don't spend your day btching about it on a game forum. BLAP* ( X ) Call For Help ( O ) Respawn


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