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Cyrus Militani
Leon Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:53:00 -
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PS4 $399 (at Walmart)
Cost of a PC that runs Unreal 4 Engine (today): $660
This a theoretical build I threw together: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22254751
And this is based on: https://www.unrealengine.com/faq
Quote:Desktop PC or Mac Windows 7 64-bit or Mac OS X 10.9.2 or later Quad-core Intel or AMD processor, 2.5 GHz or faster NVIDIA GeForce 470 GTX or AMD Radeon 6870 HD series card or higher 8 GB RAM
With the build I listed above, keep in mind that:
1 - The build listed above is a rough estimate. This is for illustrative purposes. Don't go out and buy this. Do research. 2 - The parts used in the build are actually above the requirements quoted above. 3 - I tried to make this "media center friendly". Small case, HDMI port on video card. This limits the options. 4 - Since the case is small, I'm 100% sure every part will fit, but I did my best. 5 - This includes the cost of a Windows 8 OEM license. 6 - This includes a CPU fan. Many CPU's come with a fan, so the extra fan is optional, but recommended. 7 - This does not include a DVD drive. Windows would need be installed via USB stick. 8 - An SSD is used in this build. You can get more capacity more less money using a regular (rotational) drive. 9 - The build listed above is upgradable to at least 16 GB of RAM - Only 2 of the 4 slots are used. 10 - There are many more options of parts to choose from, some of which will increase/decrease the price, depending on what you want/need.
I know that this particular build is about 60% more than a PS4, but there are some things to consider:
- You can get lower spec parts to bring the price down. How to build a gaming PC under $500. - Every part is upgradable, giving your build more longevity than a PS4 which you cannot upgrade. - By the time Legion comes out, these parts will be cheaper, and you can get better parts for the same or less. - We're assuming that Legion will need what is recommended for the Unreal 4 Engine. The PS3 specs are much lower.
So what I'm getting at is a PC can cost as much as a PS4. It can also cost more, but in the long run a PC can last longer as you can upgrade parts. The video card is often the most important piece of a gaming rig. The video card I listed, which is above the recommended specs, is $89. A few years down the road you can spend $89-$150 for a new video card to beef up your rig. And this price range is moderate. A lot of hard core gamers spend $300+ on their video cards alone.
The PS4 is just an overpriced computer that you can't upgrade. Especially since it now shares the same processor architecture as a PC. I know a lot of people are against gaming on the PC... And the initial investment may be higher... But in the long term upgrading parts is far cheaper and gives you more benefits. And you can build a PC that will fit in your living-room and plug it into your TV just as much as the PS4. You can even use a PS3/PS4 controller on the PC, or buy a Logitech controller. Or use a Mouse. Or use a flight stick for those dropships. |
Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1557
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:55:00 -
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reddit.com/r/buildapc
If you're interested in building your own. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4290
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:56:00 -
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The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs.
Markdown:
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Phoenix 85
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:57:00 -
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#PCmasterrace
Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like:
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Cyrus Militani
Leon Conglomerate
26
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:57:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs.
You can buy a gaming rig too, http://www.alienware.com/
If you don't mind paying 50% more. |
Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
429
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:59:00 -
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............ ugh urge to kill .........rising ..
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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gobbybobbyy
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
70
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:59:00 -
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Cyrus Militani wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs. You can buy a gaming rig too, http://www.alienware.com/If you don't mind paying 50% more.
more like 150% more |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
1554
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:59:00 -
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This is actually a very helpful post from a PC gamer as well. It doesn't make me want to go back to PC gaming but it is appreciated much more than the posts from PC guys that equal "Ha ha ha console peasant" Thanks for that.
I already have a PS4 I prefer exclusive Sony games, the ability to unplug my system and move it anywhere in my house, and knowing any game I purchase will work as intended on the system over the advantages PC offers.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Jake Bloodworth
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
467
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:02:00 -
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Better low cost builds are out there. You just built an obsolete computer that may or may not run Project Legion. |
Global Enforcer
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
185
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:03:00 -
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Iv been in the pc gaming days but my pc just couldn't give me what a console had
BPO-> K61-D13
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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
2100
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:04:00 -
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Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole.
It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play.
Follow me on Twitch.tv!
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
2705
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:04:00 -
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Peeps should keep an eye on steambox too, that is looking pretty cool.
'#PCMasterRace
5/2/2014 - Best day in Dust's history
CCP Rouge - The Hero of Dust
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Joseph Ridgeson
warravens Final Resolution.
1570
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:05:00 -
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The concern has very little to do with "I can't afford a PC" and more along the lines of "Did CCP just bait and switch me?" There are people out there that are getting screwed by the Legion PC bit, which sucks, but most of the vitriol is over the DUST 514 keynote, progression, and sandbox presentations being about a different product that isn't even green lit yet. Big, obvious questions like "What about my SP?", "What about my AUR purchases?" were not answered and still don't seem to have an answer short of "we don't want to leave anyone behind."
Here comes the disgusting thing: what happens if Legion doesn't go through? They just announced "we cannot do what we wanted to do on the PS3 so we are moving on to the PC" in front of the gaming world. If Legion dies a quite death behind the scenes or Hilmar cuts its head off like it is a Stark at a public display, what does that mean for the game they just said could not be what they wanted it to be? Should we just fudge off and die?
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
1554
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:08:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:The concern has very little to do with "I can't afford a PC" and more along the lines of "Did CCP just bait and switch me?" There are people out there that are getting screwed by the Legion PC bit, which sucks, but most of the vitriol is over the DUST 514 keynote, progression, and sandbox presentations being about a different product that isn't even green lit yet. Big, obvious questions like "What about my SP?", "What about my AUR purchases?" were not answered and still don't seem to have an answer short of "we don't want to leave anyone behind."
Here comes the disgusting thing: what happens if Legion doesn't go through? They just announced "we cannot do what we wanted to do on the PS3 so we are moving on to the PC" in front of the gaming world. If Legion dies a quite death behind the scenes or Hilmar cuts its head off like it is a Stark at a public display, what does that mean for the game they just said could not be what they wanted it to be? Should we just fudge off and die?
Oh yeah there is no way in which what went down this weekend is a good thing. CCP once again just seems like a company without a clue as to what it is doing.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Cyrus Militani
Leon Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:09:00 -
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Jake Bloodworth wrote:Better low cost builds are out there. You just built an obsolete computer that may or may not run Project Legion.
That's true. The point isn't "buy this build". I recommend against that. The point is at worst case it would cost ~$600 to build a machine that could run Legion today, assuming that the requirements are what is listed for the Unreal Engine 4. If you have links to better builds, please, by all means share them.
The second point I'm trying to make is that the PS4 is a computer. You can build a PC the same size as the PS4 w/ an HDMI port and be able to use it the same as you would a PS4. You can even use PS3/PS4 controllers, or many other options available to the PC that wouldn't be able to do on the PS4. |
Galthur
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
500
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:11:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:The length of this post alone demonstrates the appeal of consoles over PCs. you stole my sig
Never Forget
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major faux-pas
Irish Assassins
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:12:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole.
It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play.
no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1646
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:14:00 -
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$300+ for boosters and Try hard gear in dust514.
-$300 in dept for rent
$$$ to go iceland.
$$$ in dept
$0 to hear the news.
*who would spend that money on a game?*
Welcome to eden.
*messed up* |
Cyrus Militani
Leon Conglomerate
26
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:15:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:The concern has very little to do with "I can't afford a PC" and more along the lines of "Did CCP just bait and switch me?" There are people out there that are getting screwed by the Legion PC bit, which sucks, but most of the vitriol is over the DUST 514 keynote, progression, and sandbox presentations being about a different product that isn't even green lit yet. Big, obvious questions like "What about my SP?", "What about my AUR purchases?" were not answered and still don't seem to have an answer short of "we don't want to leave anyone behind."
Here comes the disgusting thing: what happens if Legion doesn't go through? They just announced "we cannot do what we wanted to do on the PS3 so we are moving on to the PC" in front of the gaming world. If Legion dies a quite death behind the scenes or Hilmar cuts its head off like it is a Stark at a public display, what does that mean for the game they just said could not be what they wanted it to be? Should we just fudge off and die?
I totally get that and I agree. That is my #1 concern about Legion as well. The post was meant for people who say they won't play Legion because they won't game on a PC. The thing is a PS4 is a PC too (technically). And I'm not saying go out a buy one now - That would be foolish. |
Cyrus Militani
Leon Conglomerate
26
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:17:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole.
It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse).
You can use a PS3 / PS4 controller on a PC. |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
2705
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:17:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole.
It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse).
xbox controller for windows works flawlessly with native drivers. I've never installed a thing and every single PC game I've played with it has worked flawlessly.
'#PCMasterRace
5/2/2014 - Best day in Dust's history
CCP Rouge - The Hero of Dust
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2700
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:21:00 -
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I am going to get one gaming platform. Not two. Just one.
I like PS exclusive games. I like controllers vastly more than mkb for gaming in 90% of games.
My choice of gaming platform is PS4, not a gaming PC. I would rather have a PS4 and play the other exclusives I like than getting a PC to play Legion. I just want Legion on PS4 as well, because I'm not getting a Gaming PC to play 1 game while using a control input that I don't like for FPSs.
How is it so damn hard for some of you PC Elitist to understand that not everyone wants to game on a PC?
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1310
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:24:00 -
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Switch the APU for a current Kaveri model to couple its Graphics core with the GPU or just go intel when you have a discrete graphics solution.
I love the APU concept but using a three generations old processor that is 60%+ GPU in terms of die area while using discrete graphics defeats the whole purpose of the chip, making the severe loss in single thread performance an utter waste.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:25:00 -
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Jake Bloodworth wrote:Better low cost builds are out there. You just built an obsolete computer that may or may not run Project Legion. See here is the thing, you come of as just not a very smart person when you say this without backing it up, you come off as an idiot.
Cyrus Militani wrote:Jake Bloodworth wrote:Better low cost builds are out there. You just built an obsolete computer that may or may not run Project Legion. That's true. The point isn't "buy this build". I recommend against that. The point is at worst case it would cost ~$600 to build a machine that could run Legion today, assuming that the requirements are what is listed for the Unreal Engine 4. If you have links to better builds, please, by all means share them. The second point I'm trying to make is that the PS4 is a computer. You can build a PC the same size as the PS4 w/ an HDMI port and be able to use it the same as you would a PS4. You can even use PS3/PS4 controllers, or many other options available to the PC that wouldn't be able to do on the PS4. Not really though. In 3-4 years your Ps4 will be playing games that this "equivalent" computer will not. Think about it, the Ps3 has a freaking 7800 GT in it, the PS3 >>>> a 7800 GT with 256 MB of ram and 256 MB system ram. Good luck running skyrim or dark souls or whatever recent release on that. Plus there is no way you can build a PC for anywhere near the cost of a PS4.. windows takes up at least 25% of the cost of the Ps4 by itself... have fun building a computer that can play blurray movies for 300 dollars.
Face it, consoles are easier to use, they are cheaper to use (both power requirements and no upgrades), they remain 100% relevant for their entire lifespans, they are the focus of multiplatform development (if PC even gets a version it is bastardized), they get amazing exclusives (demon's souls, Xenoblade, Halo, Red Dead Redemption, list goes on forever). They are much more convenient, people don't look at you like you have leprosy for using them (yes, PC gaming is an "social outcast activity").
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Shutter Fly
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
397
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:33:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole.
It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). To be fair, there's no issue with doing this with a PC. Steam Big Picture or SteamOS would make that a viable possibility with a PC. Plus, you could just use a PS3 or XBox 360 controller, I use a DS3 for some of my PC gaming.
As for that PC build, even though it is theoretical, it costs way more than it should. There's no use for an APU if you bought a graphics card, and you can't use both at the same time. An SSD is an unnecessary luxury, it's nice to have, but it's a horrible idea if you're trying to keep the cost down and if you're planning on using it for more than one game (120GB of storage for an entire PC isn't going to get you anywhere). Don't buy Windows, there are better, "cheaper", ways of going about that. It should have cost the same as the PS4.
Honestly, I don't see the huge deal solely in the fact that they're "moving" to PC. The way they handled this ordeal was terrible, and people have a right to be pissed about that, and I am as well. If I am satisfied with the way they transfer all of our progress, then I'll probably play Legion.
Yes they could have gone to the PS4, but it is apparent that CCP's experience with Sony was not exactly ideal. Almost in a similar way that our experience with CCP did not turn out to be entirely pleasant. In response, they are moving to PC, and many of us are leaving Dust.
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
355
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:38:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:The concern has very little to do with "I can't afford a PC" and more along the lines of "Did CCP just bait and switch me?" There are people out there that are getting screwed by the Legion PC bit, which sucks, but most of the vitriol is over the DUST 514 keynote, progression, and sandbox presentations being about a different product that isn't even green lit yet. Big, obvious questions like "What about my SP?", "What about my AUR purchases?" were not answered and still don't seem to have an answer short of "we don't want to leave anyone behind."
Here comes the disgusting thing: what happens if Legion doesn't go through? They just announced "we cannot do what we wanted to do on the PS3 so we are moving on to the PC" in front of the gaming world. If Legion dies a quite death behind the scenes or Hilmar cuts its head off like it is a Stark at a public display, what does that mean for the game they just said could not be what they wanted it to be? Should we just fudge off and die? Yeah. That happened. Get over it. |
Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:39:00 -
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Cyrus Militani wrote:major faux-pas wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Most people who bought consoles bought them because they don't want to think beyond putting square peg into square hole.
It's been like that since the beginning. PCs are far more versatile, of course, but most people don't really like to do much beyond look at the price tag and plug n play. no you twit, most people moved because they want to relax on the sofa and use a controller with a driver that works. raises a real question: does anyone know of a good controller which is likely to work flawlessly? (Avoiding keyboard and mouse). You can use a PS3 / PS4 controller on a PC.
It is not official supported and you have to search for drivers or use 3rd party programs to get it to work and that in itself is not a guarantee it will work .
Also a ps4 has dedicated hardware specifically designed in the ps4 . Saying a ps4 is a pc is oversimplification . It uses pc-like architecture but it is not a pc. You also forgetting the fact that consoles decrease prices as well. |
Cyrus Militani
Leon Conglomerate
27
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:45:00 -
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I updated my initial post. If anyone has more experience in building a PC gaming rig I will update my initial post with that build. My goals for a build are:
- Cost is between $400-500 - Slim form-factor - The size of the PS4 approx. - HDMI port for plugging into the TV. - Meets recommended requirements for Unreal 4. - Is capable of using PS3 / PS4 controllers (although admittedly I left out bluetooth). - Will last long enough and be upgradable enough to run Legion with future updates.
Clearly I did not meet these goals as well as I had hoped.
I know there are far more concerns with Legion than switching platforms. My concerns are about SP transfers. I just wanted to show other players that had concerns about console that they can build a PC console. They don't need to sit at a desk in-front of a monitor.. They can build a rig that sits in their living-room and sit on the couch with their feet kicked up just as well. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2080
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:45:00 -
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Costs are different depending from were you live. Here in Italy for a decent gaming PC you have to spend more or less 800/1000Gé¼ (without monitor) for the cheapest gaming PC. It 2.5x the cost of a PS4. PS4 cost 399 (dollars or euro) almost everywhere (except south america).
It was fun till it lasted...
PSN: ogamega
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2700
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:48:00 -
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Cyrus Militani wrote:I updated my initial post. If anyone has more experience in building a PC gaming rig I will update my initial post with that build. My goals for a build are:
- Cost is between $400-500 - Slim form-factor - The size of the PS4 approx. - HDMI port for plugging into the TV. - Meets recommended requirements for Unreal 4. - Is capable of using PS3 / PS4 controllers (although admittedly I left out bluetooth). - Will last long enough and be upgradable enough to run Legion with future updates.
Clearly I did not meet these goals as well as I had hoped.
I know there are far more concerns with Legion than switching platforms. My concerns are about SP transfers. I just wanted to show other players that had concerns about console that they can build a PC console. They don't need to sit at a desk in-front of a monitor.. They can build a rig that sits in their living-room and sit on the couch with their feet kicked up just as well. It should have a bluray drive as well.
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