DUST Search - Announcement:Some clarification around Project Legion

Booker DaFooker wrote:

reaper jt wrote:

Booker DaFooker wrote:

Flix Keptick wrote:

Overview of legion:

transfer dust to pc
Add all the awesome stuff we've been promised
PvE

Pretty much counterweights the negative aspects imho. Hopefully characters can be transfered.
LET LEGION RISE FROM THE DUST!!!

Edit: since some people don't get it I'll put this here. Pc and Ps4 have the same infrastructure, this means that they can both run the exact same games (lowered performance on the ps4 I guess). Basically, having it on pc means that it would most likely ALSO be on Ps4.

At last someone else gets it

Even Dust 514 is developed ON PC's

This is the same dev process they would need to follow whatever platform they were developing for and ccp praetorian just pretty much confirmed this at fanfest

No its the way ccp as gone about this is why we are mad trust has been broken here there were much better ways to do this talking to the community not holding a dust keynote and turn around and talk about legion. Then to say we dont know if we can transfer sp ect . Listen here are quick specs of the two computers i own Gpu gtx 680 Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz 8 gigs of ram windows 7 64 bit. Second 2 gtx 780s amd 8 core 8350 16 gigs of ram windows 7 64 bit. So its not that i dont have a computer to play it hell low end machines with lower settings and restitution could play it. But What i am saying is the way they went about it was well no other way to put it the worst then to say oh no character transfers then oh we dont know.
I think tho everyone wantas a legitimate response from ccp

Absolutely totally and utterly agree with you, the manner of the release of this news sucked very hard, cant imagine the board meeting where this was discussed and was thought a great idea!! But once the rage settles (it is still bubbling) there are chinks of light and some belated clarifications appearing here and there which I am clinging on to like grim death!

Rouge says your New Eden footprint is a priority whenever the game moves to a new platform
CCP Praetorian stated that PC development is the way to realise the vision for Dust for any platform, not just PC

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reaper jt Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 22	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:04:00 - [121] - Quote Booker DaFooker wrote: reaper jt wrote: Booker DaFooker wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Overview of legion: transfer dust to pc Add all the awesome stuff we've been promised PvE Pretty much counterweights the negative aspects imho. Hopefully characters can be transfered. LET LEGION RISE FROM THE DUST!!! Edit: since some people don't get it I'll put this here. Pc and Ps4 have the same infrastructure, this means that they can both run the exact same games (lowered performance on the ps4 I guess). Basically, having it on pc means that it would most likely ALSO be on Ps4. At last someone else gets it Even Dust 514 is developed ON PC's This is the same dev process they would need to follow whatever platform they were developing for and ccp praetorian just pretty much confirmed this at fanfest No its the way ccp as gone about this is why we are mad trust has been broken here there were much better ways to do this talking to the community not holding a dust keynote and turn around and talk about legion. Then to say we dont know if we can transfer sp ect . Listen here are quick specs of the two computers i own Gpu gtx 680 Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz 8 gigs of ram windows 7 64 bit. Second 2 gtx 780s amd 8 core 8350 16 gigs of ram windows 7 64 bit. So its not that i dont have a computer to play it hell low end machines with lower settings and restitution could play it. But What i am saying is the way they went about it was well no other way to put it the worst then to say oh no character transfers then oh we dont know. I think tho everyone wantas a legitimate response from ccp Absolutely totally and utterly agree with you, the manner of the release of this news sucked very hard, cant imagine the board meeting where this was discussed and was thought a great idea!! But once the rage settles (it is still bubbling) there are chinks of light and some belated clarifications appearing here and there which I am clinging on to like grim death! Rouge says your New Eden footprint is a priority whenever the game moves to a new platform CCP Praetorian stated that PC development is the way to realise the vision for Dust for any platform, not just PC Yes exactly i think we all need to agree yes the better hardware will do wonders for the game. But the lack of communication with the community very few details and the way they went about it was not good what so ever. But its great to see the dust community so passionate about the game. Alls we can do now is voice our opinions wait for a response and more details About the true state of dust 514 if its being left in the dust be honest about it more details on legion platforms ect character transfers straight up no bull crap answers. But yes important topics are chracter transfers isk sp ect and we need to know do you honestly legitimately plan to support dust 514 if so is there a road map we can see?
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2354	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:04:00 - [122] - Quote mollerz wrote: Saberwing, The only thing you need to know about being fair to your player base as you transition from dust to legion... It has to be developed for the PS4 or this whole thing is a non-starter. In addition: 1) Toon name preservation and SP transfer. 2) BPO equivalent transfer. 3) Equipment equivalent transfer or payout in ISK. 4) Fractional ISK transfer. 5) Aurum transfer. If you can't accomplish that, why would any player ever trust your products with their time and money. We supported this game and stuck with it based on the promise of a ten year plan. You are making massive massive mistakes. It is hard for me to comprehend you aren't seeing how bad you guys pwn3d your community. You didn't just harm your community. You nuked it. And you are telling me you did this unwittingly?! I don't care much about the PS4 version. I mean one of the reasons they switch to PC is basically because they have more freedom, can use a test server and don't have to get everything checked by Sony. All the other points I agree with. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
J3f3r20n Gh057 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 139	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:05:00 - [123] - Quote CCP guy1: "Hey, whta we'r going to do with Dust 514? We need to fix the game, implement PvE, Player Economy..." CCP guy2: "waitwaitwaitwait... WHAT? DUST 514? You mean, DUST 514? Seriously? What about we make some events that would make the fanboys spent money in it, and then simply fund a new game?" CCP guy3: "Are you seriously? A new game? What about we simply move Dust to PC and BAAAAAM, we add all those cool stuffs?" CCPguy1: "but we can't simply...." CCPguy3: "Of course we can, we are the devs ffs. Look lets face it, we can't implement all those cool stuffs on ps3, thats the fact...." CCPguy2: "But we can't simply port Dust to PC, Sony has..." CCPrandomGuy: "Forget about Sony...I have an idea....." //So, the other 3 guys stop and look to this guy// Dramatic stop, mistery in the air CCPrandomGuy: "Project Legion...A shinny new game 'based on' Dust 514" CCPanotherrandomguy: "THAT'S IT....Let's make this thing real" CCPrandomguy: "It's already being made...You know, we already started the project, but now we have the necessary fund to start it seriously" CCPguy1: "but what about all the Dust players?" CCPrandomguy: "They will understand..." CCPGuy1: "Nooo, they were fooled... played like..." CCPrandomguy: "They were part of THE PLAN.... Pawns in the game, but it was necessary... Sometimes we need to make some sacrifices, we need to play dirty to fulfil our purpouses..." To be continued.... And that's all folks, you
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 113	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:06:00 - [124] - Quote BTW what the hell is a footprint anyways? It sure as hell isn't the same thing as the original foot!!! WAKE up the bar of soap hit the floor and we were all stupid enough to pick it up and now I'm bleeding YOU FEEL ME Forge gun is fixed time to get me some drop ships ADS beware you have been warned.
Theex 1661 Gummibaerenbande 514 42	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:06:00 - [125] - Quote I dont know what to say to this whole mess... I'm just feeling sadness, anger and i'm deeply dissapointed in ccp. I'd probably switch over to PS4 if legion is coming for it. But if there is no character transfer i would quit ccp (games) forever. Wouldn't have the strengh to start over anyways....
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 224	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:09:00 - [126] - Quote I agree with pretty much every single comment in this thread. Even though some of them were rage filled venting (understandable). I, like many others, have put a considerable amount of time and money into this game because we believed the potential. We believed CCP when they told us what was to come and the the vision they had. Basically announcing DUST is dead and all efforts are going to Legion, on a different platform, in a year, two, or maybe more was a kick in the teeth to us all. Especially after having two months of events and sales to get us to fork over more cash. I had faith in CCP after seeing what they have accomplished with EvE. After today that has been totally destroyed. I will still play as I enjoy the game, but I will not be spending another penny on this game from now on. I refuse to fund Legion (read "DUST 2.0"), even if it is confirmed that characters will be transferred. Should that news come, how can we trust you won't back pedal yet again and screw us over after taking more money handed over on false promises.
mollerz 3381	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:10:00 - [127] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: mollerz wrote: Saberwing, The only thing you need to know about being fair to your player base as you transition from dust to legion... It has to be developed for the PS4 or this whole thing is a non-starter. In addition: 1) Toon name preservation and SP transfer. 2) BPO equivalent transfer. 3) Equipment equivalent transfer or payout in ISK. 4) Fractional ISK transfer. 5) Aurum transfer. If you can't accomplish that, why would any player ever trust your products with their time and money. We supported this game and stuck with it based on the promise of a ten year plan. You are making massive massive mistakes. It is hard for me to comprehend you aren't seeing how bad you guys pwn3d your community. You didn't just harm your community. You nuked it. And you are telling me you did this unwittingly?! I don't care much about the PS4 version. I mean one of the reasons they switch to PC is basically because they have more freedom, can use a test server and don't have to get everything checked by Sony. All the other points I agree with. A) They do have a test server. It's just never properly used. The myth that there is no test server is blatantly false. B) Sony may have a couple of hurdles, but it is in no way an insurmountable set of hurdles. Basically it adds a couple steps to get us the updates. That is not a big deal. They already can update as well as hotfix patches. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:11:00 - [128] - Quote F[u[c[k[ LEGION its basicalu DUST 2.0 nothing else the biggest scam after aliens colonial marines. CCP welcome in Randy Pitchfords shoes. "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
petko777 Jastrab keiretsu 0	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:13:00 - [129] - Quote I play both Eve online and Dust 514 , I spend lot time , some money ... But I thing it's time cancel my subscription . Dust was lots bugs but I like this FPS concept but I don't have time for new start . I mean its not problem in platform I own ps3/4 , PC , Mac like all ... CCP give community lots promises evolve Dust ... and merge with EVE ... I believe idea was for long run like EVE, WoW with strong communist not 1 year :(
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 107	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:17:00 - [130] - Quote LittleCuteBunny wrote: Not only is CCP setting a precedent over console product development with a connection between platforms. It also sets precedents of its corporate ethics, endeavors, misguiding information and advertisement. A stain that might be difficult to erase. You mean like Hillmar(?) saying "Don't listen to what they{the players} say, just watch what they do."? Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS

sxspk Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:17:00 - [131] - Quote CHANCEtheChAn wrote: 2 years 2 years, And all you came up with is a new game I need a new console (PC) to play. This fanfest This was supposed to be DUST 2.0 this was supposed to be player market This was supposed to be PvE This was supposed to be PC 2.0 This was supposed to be pilot suits and new game modes And yet, all I got from fan fest was This was all for nothing... All we got was thank you for your time and donations.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2309	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:21:00 - [132] - Quote And to think we were all worried about our BPOs being removed, ROFL.
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 28	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:22:00 - [133] - Quote Maybe someone should take Rouge and Saberwing aside for a moment, and explain to them the difference between the average Electronic Arts customer and the average CCP customer? And the pro's and con's of this?
Karl Koekwaus 205	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:24:00 - [134] - Quote This was a major kick in the balls of everyone that spend money and/or Time on Dust. But in proper CCP fashion, I guess we'll be seeing some new AURUM gear advertisements soon. as Marlona Sky said on the eve forums; Marlona Sky wrote: For those who don't realize it, the 514 was code for the expiration date for the game. 5-14... May 2014. Although I never spent money or a lot of time like some of you, I can't help but feel you guys massively wronged today. Now CCP, how do you explain the 10 year of support for Dust that was promised at launch, when people had doubts on launching a game on an aging console? and how are you going to deliver on that promise? All you say atm when you want to talk about Dust, is you're talking about Legion. Just like in the OP, you want to explain something yet you end up saying nothing. How hard is it to put up a bullet point list with what is going to be in dust and what not, so people can get their expectations right and plan accordingly. Micheal Jackson died for my sins
Renolissa RENOLUTION 1673	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:32:00 - [135] - Quote Only transfer can help CCP save player's in this universe... And many many fix fix fix .....
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1092	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:34:00 - [136] - Quote Is a dev going to reply to this at all? You guys started this thread. Is it just 7 pages of wasted space? Tell us something about DUST. You already wasted our keynote not preparing anything. Are you guys even surprised the community reacted this way? Were you expecting us to be happy about a new game exactly like the one we always wanted Dust to be? Ugarte: You are a very cynical person, Rick, if you'll forgive me for saying so. Rick: I forgive you.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2312	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:35:00 - [137] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I don't care if it's a new game with a new name. It look, feels, has the same lore and runs on better machines than dust. Seriously, it still dust, except better. I don't get why people are freaking out so much. Looks like, feels like, has the same lore, uses the same assets, is played on the same maps and promises the same stuff Dust promised 5 years ago when it was announced... We freak out so much because our chars aren't save. Legion is basically Dust 2.0 and we won't keep our SP, assets or BPOs. Stuff many of us paid for! Heck: I used up about 170 bucks to buy SP boosters. And now all of that won't carry over? That's why so many of us are freaking out. It's not about the game. Legion looks great. It's about how CCP screws our current progress over and all the time and money we invested on getting there. True, but it's not like they said a definitive no. The answer is just maybeGäó Nonsense, they said Dust will continue getting updates at the same time as Legion. Also they keep saying "If and When Legion is released" Meaning it's not even confirmed... But if it is confirmed they will be spiting development between both games... How can you have the same character in 2 actively supported games?
Karl Koekwaus 206	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:35:00 - [138] - Quote Renolissa wrote: Only transfer can help CCP save player's in this universe... And many many fix fix fix ..... Transfers won't help most people though. There are many people who carry a warm hearth towards the EVE universe as a SCI-Fi installment that started with Dust, but don't own a PC powerful enough to run a state of the art game. Micheal Jackson died for my sins
Jak'Saan Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 183	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:36:00 - [139] - Quote http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Love how the graph is really picking up. That is the sign of a healthy game, even after 2 years! Interested to see what this will look like in the next few weeks.
VINGTHOR LYNN D3LTA FORC3 C0VEN 1	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:36:00 - [140] - Quote Kev Crow wrote: For those of you who have not yet crossed over to the dark side I see it like this: DUST on PS3 lives on until the new game for PC and hopefully for PS4 ( which is not such a stretch to imagine) is ready. Then we migrate or not. Obviously figuring out the how and when will take time. I am happy we finally know the what and that there is some new future for this dying concept. Agreed. Hopefully after heads cool a bit and people realise this is the new beginning we have been hoping for we can start some constructive player involvement to avoid old mistakes. As far as how "terribly" CCP announced it I think that once the "red mist" of internet rage grabs hold and all senses depart... CCP Rouge actually explained it very well in his blog for those who bothered to read it: "We realized we would never be able to do it by iteration, any more than one could overhaul the engines of a plane in flight" And what did you expect them to call this keynote? Legion Project keynote? After seeing this keynote and reading the blog its rather clear that Legion is the DUST v2.0

Ghural The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 197	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:37:00 - [141] - Quote Dust514 is going to continue as a seperate product eh? They why is that nothing at all was announced for Dust514 during the Dust keynote?
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 919	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:37:00 - [142] - Quote Can we finally get an apology for all those made up LONG TIME-VISIONAIRY-ROADMAP-SOON(TM) plans?
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 763	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:37:00 - [143] - Quote Booker DaFooker wrote: reaper jt wrote: Booker DaFooker wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Overview of legion: transfer dust to pc Add all the awesome stuff we've been promised PvE Pretty much counterweights the negative aspects imho. Hopefully characters can be transfered. LET LEGION RISE FROM THE DUST!!! Edit: since some people don't get it I'll put this here. Pc and Ps4 have the same infrastructure, this means that they can both run the exact same games (lowered performance on the ps4 I guess). Basically, having it on pc means that it would most likely ALSO be on Ps4. At last someone else gets it Even Dust 514 is developed ON PC's This is the same dev process they would need to follow whatever platform they were developing for and ccp praetorian just pretty much confirmed this at fanfest No its the way ccp as gone about this is why we are mad trust has been broken here there were much better ways to do this talking to the community not holding a dust keynote and turn around and talk about legion. Then to say we dont know if we can transfer sp ect . Listen here are quick specs of the two computers i own Gpu gtx 680 Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz 8 gigs of ram windows 7 64 bit. Second 2 gtx 780s amd 8 core 8350 16 gigs of ram windows 7 64 bit. So its not that i dont have a computer to play it hell low end machines with lower settings and restitution could play it. But What i am saying is the way they went about it was well no other way to put it the worst then to say oh no character transfers then oh we dont know. I think tho everyone wantas a legitimate response from ccp Absolutely totally and utterly agree with you, the manner of the release of this news sucked very hard, cant imagine the board meeting where this was discussed and was thought a great idea!! But once the rage settles (it is still bubbling) there are chinks of light and some belated clarifications appearing here and there which I am clinging on to like grim death! Rouge says your New Eden footprint is a priority whenever the game moves to a new platform CCP Praetorian stated that PC development is the way to realise the vision for Dust for any platform, not just PC Sorry, not accepting vague statements at this point. CCP needs to be specific at this point otherwise I think Dust and its community will die long before Legion is released. You do not have to be crazy to play here but we are willing to train you.
MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 165	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:41:00 - [144] - Quote #LASERFOCUSED "LASER-FOCUSED" Never forget 5/2/2014 Pro Tanker (Retired)
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2313	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:46:00 - [145] - Quote Ghural wrote: Dust514 is going to continue as a seperate product eh? They why is that nothing at all was announced for Dust514 during the Dust keynote? Yeah , that's why people are upset. A;; they announced about Dust at the keynote was "it will not be canceled, it will keep getting patches" -lack of player market or player to player trading was confrimed -the halo map perview table will never turn on lol
Renolissa RENOLUTION 1673	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:49:00 - [146] - Quote In any case, this is bad news, because I loved Dust514 the fact that it did so, threw him almost no innovation there, and meanwhile riveting new project. Why do we need Legion? Why not just do the game that we need? Why it is thrown? Why do we need a few years to pour Aurum on what may not be completed yet? I think all what we see in fanfest 2014 reminds me of Incarna...
AzzHole187 Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:52:00 - [147] - Quote http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#~oD8Yk7RCdtp7VO this interview pretty much says it all
First Prophet Minmatar Republic 1537	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:54:00 - [148] - Quote So where's all this clarification? Users found this review helpful.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5106	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:55:00 - [149] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: I'll watch if you're going to execute him and the CPM live on air... The CPM had no power in this. They were, in fact, ignored when they suggested CCP announce this far sooner. though its worth noting they remained quiet when they could have leaked it anonymously. nda or not their responsibility is to the players Whatever, man. Breaching NDAs tends to **** you over for any future employment opportunities that require discretion. It is, after all, a form of contract. If you breach contract in one case, what's to stop you doing so in others? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
smoking the kind RestlessSpirits 24	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:55:00 - [150] - Quote Hi, I have been playing with and against a lot of this community since M.A.G. and when Dust was announced for the ps3 I know we all saw the potential for what this game could be and as "loyal customers" we were looking forward to what this game could have been when we were told it was coming to the next gen Playstation. We put money towards this game because it was supposed to move forward and grow with the Playstation, and now that the ps4 is here you are abandoning your promises and the loyal Playstation customers that believed in you. It is kind of ironic that I probably feel like the eve players did when dust 514 wasn't announced for the PC in the first place. And how do the eve pilots that bought ps3's just to be loyal to ccp feel.



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