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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.27 22:50:00 -
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Firstly, I am a member of DNS. Let's get it out there.
I am seeing a huge amount of vitriol and hatred directed towards members of DNS on the forums presently, in all sections, often regardless of the topic. There have been intelligent posts which have nothing to do with people's affiliations and yet there are people responding with 'You're a member of DNS, your opinion is invalid' or some variant thereof.
So I have a question. Why?
Why is there a need for such hatred?
It is clear that DNS is dominating PC right now. Because of broken mechanics, this provides DNS with vast quantities of ISK.
Some trashy posters brag about this.
When people such as Kane post suggestions to improve PC, often blatantly in favour of those who would attack DNS (clone pack size increases, for example) these suggestions are dismissed by many because of a blind hatred for DNS.
And then there's a huge amount of hatred for DNS. Apparently because of this. Is that the reason you folks hate DNS? I'd quite like to know.
There are some people in DNS who are inflammatory posters. This is natural - in any large group there are going to be some people who aren't paragons of humanity. Is this a reason to judge everyone in DNS because of it?
So I'd like to hear from you. Why do you hate DNS?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.27 23:10:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2093051#post2093051
Could be a reason..
There are literally dozens of trash threads like this posted every day. One was posted by a DNS member. You believe that they're all terrible people, and because of your confirmation bias you notice that one and take it as 'evidence' that you should hate DNS.
If that thread is reason to hate an entire alliance, you should probably hate practically anyone who has ever posted on these forums and their entire alliances.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.27 23:14:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Reason? Hmmm besides the team stacking, proto stomping, tank spamming, game exploiting, PC hogging and basic dough bags on the forum.... yeah not much at all.
But then that is just a summary from what I've read personally I just can't stand tank spam in general. They should be removed from ambush and domination altogether and only be allowed in skirmish but that's just my opinion.
DNS is hardly the only group to protostomp. And actually, I've yet to see a team stack from DNS outside of FW, which should be fair game for that.
Game exploiting? Such as?
Being douchebags on the forums? How many people aren't? That's hardly a reason for DNS to stick out as the most hated group.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.27 23:18:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:On one side, its the group that is the powerhouse now. People will hate the jonses if they can't keep up with them. Funny that most who hate DNS would be the first ones to jump on the opportunity if presented to them
See, to an extent, I can understand this. But I haven't expected quite this level of vitriol.
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Secondly, some of the members of the alliance says some stupid crap really. Arkena, you're one of the few who has been relatively mum about it all. Meaning, I don't see you making fancy speeches and talking about matters as if you're in the war room with the higher ups like I've been seeing others do. So no doubt, that can be a part of it too.
Agreed. There are stupid posters in every large group. But is that really a reason to hate the whole? Every large group has someone posting something idiotic and inflammatory - but yet DNS is bashed on disproportionally for this. It's frustrating, and I don't know why.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.27 23:33:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:
I never said I hated DNS, but lets face it. Most of your members are clueless about being in a "non-elite" corp, or what its like to be a newberry in current Dust state.
Threads like these just show the ignorance of (most of) your members about what most of the community is going through atm.
Quite. It's really very irritating to me as someone who would not like to be seen as such an ignorant moron to see sweeping generalisations made because of these threads.
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Personally, i applaud DNS for trying to control molden heath. Our goal at Final Resolution is much the same. And. I believe there is a lot of ignorance on the communities part as well. I visit the war room almost just as much as you do I'm sure of it, but most of the community does not. They dont realise that you are still fighting amongst each other. They just see one big alliance controlling most of the region, and feel there is nothing that can be done about it.
Partially they are right. Things have gotten so far out of hand that it will take some serious sacrificing/hand holding to get it done. Sadly, most people just want to whine about it.
Alliances like this are politically unstable. I'm quite certain that this arrangement will decay eventually. How exactly it'll happen is uncertain - probably the main thing preventing splinter groups is that the rest of the group will just combine to crush them. A co-ordinated fragmentation is more likely, and that may well lead to real war.
Or, people will get bored. That's what happened with EoN, after all.
Unfortunately I suppose there's a great deal of hatred for the winners.
Also, while most people want to just whine about the current state of affairs there are some really fantastic groups like OH and WTF which are actively bringing the fight. I actually really appreciate those guys for having a shot at it. And hey, to an extent they're succeeding - they've taken districts back. It's a shame more people aren't trying.
There seems to be a build-up of people at 'Final Resolution'. It might just be my imagination, but I wish you luck.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12809
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Posted - 2014.04.27 23:46:00 -
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Shutter Fly wrote:
Honestly, the trolls and ****posters are the people I hate the least. At least they are openly saying they don't give a **** and that DNS is bad for Dust.
Arkena, it's the posters like you that frustrate me the most. You make topics like this asking where all the hate is from, and you should be well aware of what all the hate is for. You make justifications, maybe you even admit that there is a problem, but you just stay right where you are and hoard your ISK.
Loads of people are saying there's a problem in DNS. Figureheads like Kane are saying there are problems. They're suggesting solutions.
But really, what exactly do you expect us to do about it? Yes, we're just sitting here and 'hoarding ISK'. What else is there to do? Declare victory and meekly hand over districts to the next group who will do exactly the same thing?
Quote:The fact that you are reasonable and negotiable is the reason I dislike what you are doing, because you seemingly put aside the reason and critical thinking that I know you have, I guess because it's convenient. I'm not going to post yet another huge explanation of my reasoning, because I literally just did a few hours ago right here, in the topic I assume you are making this in response to.
I read that other post of yours, and I'm going to respond to it here.
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In fact, DNS directly halted what was going to be one of the largest collective assaults PC had ever seen, against Nyain San's huge collection of districts. Everyone was ready for a great series of fights, but FA, LLC, and others decided that they'd rather take the easy way out and just declare that they own almost everything overnight.
This is hardly correct. LLC was already a part of Nyain San's alliance, so there was hardly any reason for them to suddenly turn on them.
FA had every single district permalocked by the donut for days. We fought every timer we had for days, and fielded a lot of others in Tso's including yours. Eventually, we were ground down. It's not really fair to declare that 'we took the easy way out'. We were defeated. There was little else to do. Either it was just leave and become mostly PC irrelevant, or it was join DNS, which we'd received an offer to do.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12809
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Posted - 2014.04.27 23:48:00 -
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Gaelon Thrace wrote:One of your diplomats telling an outsider that pub matches are called "protos" was a pretty big red flag.
Who is said 'diplomat'?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.27 23:56:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:
Because he represents you, Arkena.
And yet he is not actually representative of the beliefs and opinions of myself or many others.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 19:05:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Because the DNS corps should be competing against each other and fighting it out in PC, not forming an alliance and stomping NEWBS and players that run solo in pub.
Right, because DNS is the only group that pubstomps. 
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:03:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:The reason is simple: The arrogant and inflated egos most of the members in DNS has. Also the fact that you guys feed us bull **** propaganda, "we are doing this for the community" like we are a bunch of ignorant kindergardeners. (well most of atleast) We know you guys care more about the size of your wallet than the community.
Source on the 'we are doing this for the community' quote?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:10:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:MythTanker wrote:The reason is simple: The arrogant and inflated egos most of the members in DNS has. Also the fact that you guys feed us bull **** propaganda, "we are doing this for the community" like we are a bunch of ignorant kindergardeners. (well most of atleast) We know you guys care more about the size of your wallet than the community. Source on the 'we are doing this for the community' quote? Not a direct quote, but that is what kain spero and many others have said.
Where?
Have you just heard that they've said that or have you actually seen them saying that? If you've actually seen it, could you provide a link or a guess as to where it was?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:16:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:
*face palm* You have 12k likes, how have you not read it before?
Because I don't read everything ever on the forums?
Does it not exist? If you have no idea where to find it, you can just say that and back out gracefully, you don't need to start bashing on people.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:30:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:MythTanker wrote:
*face palm* You have 12k likes, how have you not read it before?
Because I don't read everything ever on the forums? Does it not exist? If you have no idea where to find it, you can just say that and back out gracefully, you don't need to start bashing on people. I didnt bash anyone i apologise if you took it that way, im was getting prepared for denial, its lose-lose no matter what i say. If i have no link or down-to-the-grain specific details than there is a clear way to deny it. I thought with your number of like you would have seen one of the hundreds of posts like that.
I haven't.
The only posts I have seen from Kane and people actually relevant to DNS as a whole have been constructive posts on how to improve PC so this situation doesn't happen - like increasing the size of clone packs so it's more feasible for people to attack districts from outside of PC, and removing passive ISK in favour of other designs that aren't so farmable.
Are you confusing this with those posts? Because most of those posts were dismissed purely because they came from DNS, not because they were genuinely shallow attempts to benefit the donut and nobody else.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:38:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:No Arkena, I am one the intelligent QQers, I have read posts where leading members have said something close to this. *We are forcing CCP's hand into fixing PC"
Ah. I've seen that from a handful of trash posters.
But not from someone actually significant in DNS.
waters104 wrote:Its called were more organized lolz we plan before are boots hit the ground what about you?
Presumably it's this kind of poster that produces the majority of the inflammatory material.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:44:00 -
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waters104 wrote:Lolz we too busy proving ccp that they need to fix pc :D
I'm hoping that this particular specimen is trolling and not being serious.
There may be quite a few like this guy in DNS. But that doesn't mean every single person in DNS believes this.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:51:00 -
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waters104 wrote:
What is that suppose to mean * scratches head*
That's basically my exasperation at a random DNS member coming in and undermining the idea that we're not all arrogant douchebags.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12861
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:58:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:waters104 wrote:Lolz we too busy proving ccp that they need to fix pc :D I'm hoping that this particular specimen is trolling and not being serious. There may be quite a few like this guy in DNS. But that doesn't mean every single person in DNS believes this. I never said that everyone was (if i did im sorry) in DNS was that way, you have been one of the more respectable ones, but remember those who do makes it very difficult to respect DNS. CEOs need to put some discpline in their members.
I'm not really referring to you here tbh. It's just a general comment.
What I had hoped to achieve with this thread was some understanding from people that not everyone in DNS is a prick, because I've been going into threads lately with perfectly reasonable people and seeing 'lol DNS ur opinion is wrong' and suchlike.
Unfortunately for an awful lot of people it seems that the hatred runs very deep indeed. And it doesn't help that a number of DNS members decided to troll in here.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12861
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:00:00 -
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waters104 wrote:Excuse my other my other replies i being serious on what i said lolz
waters, I don't mean to be mean or anything, but this probably isn't the place to be starting your forum career. You're not helping.
emtbraincase wrote:waters104 wrote:You guys and including myself are not douches we have a goal and we are determine too succed why nobody else see that have you ever had a goal before lolz Sure, but my goal is rarely to ruin the one game I play the most.
And again, we have this 'blurf ur ruining the game'.
How? PC? As an alliance, we effectively own PC, that's true. But it's unfeasible for any one group to break away and start fighting the others because they'll get utterly wrecked.
Pub-stomping? This is hardly just DNS doing this. Practically any organised squad will stomp the opposition completely, and prototype gear is not so expensive that nobody else can afford to run it. Hell, before I joined DNS I subsisted for half a year on the funds I got from the Uprising refund, permanently running prototype gear, even after giving away ISK. That was without any PC funding.
How is it that DNS, specifically, alone amongst all other groups, completely ruins the game?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:22:00 -
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emtbraincase wrote:
If I pubstomp I run the risk of going broke. NOBODY in DNS runs the risk of going broke if they hand out a few million a day to randoms and STILL run proto all day in pubs. THAT is how you are ruining the game for those who have absolutely zero aspirations of PC. You earn isk through PC, we earn isk from pubs. You stomp in pubs, we cannot make isk.
But you can make ISK. There is nothing stopping you from making ISK. You will make ISK even if you AFK the match. Running proto won't even reduce your payout by stomping you if you actually fight - destroying them will result in a much larger payout.
Also, anyone who is actually a vet almost certainly doesn't 'run the risk of going broke' because they have a massive quantity of ISK themselves given to them by the Uprising refunds. I lived off that for months after Uprising and still had hundreds of millions left before seeing a single ISK from PC. Protostomping is not something that just DNS do. Loads of people do it.
And regardless of the ISK levels behind it, the net result is the same - somebody gets stomped horribly by a load of guys in proto. If this is what is 'ruining the game' it is not DNS alone that is doing it.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:51:00 -
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By this point it is quite apparent that neither side here is willing to actually talk civilly to the other. The only purpose this thread now serves is to continue amplifying the dislike of both sides for the other.
As a result, I am requesting a lock on this thread.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:56:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:By this point it is quite apparent that neither side here is willing to actually talk civilly to the other. The only purpose this thread now serves is to continue amplifying the dislike of both sides for the other.
As a result, I am requesting a lock on this thread. No, go away, this is my thread now! >: O Some of these scrubs need a beating. Since they're too chicken to come get it in game I'll give it to 'em here.
As enjoyable as reading your posting is, SoTa, there really is no point.
Do continue attempting to educate people whilst the thread is open, though. It's one thing to have a legitimate grievance - which some people may do - but it's another to mindlessly complain about something that you don't understand.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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