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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:22:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:But it wouldn't be unfair for you to be able to scan everyone no matter how much SP and slots they devote to dampening? I thought that the math works out to even if Caldari spent all slots on scanning and with all skills V, the Gallente scout still wins out invisibility. What is the response now that the Caldari spent all his sp/fitting on scanning and still comes up short?
That's what they are saying, that it's fine that Gallente remain unscannable, but they want Gallente to ONLY be unscannable to a Caldari that has 4 complex precision i.e if the Gal was only running 3, then a Cal with 4 would pick them up. It's stupid, this whole thread is that it doesn't take us ENOUGH damps to become unscannable, (only 2 with a cloak). When that was the same number of damps it took us to become unscannable prior 1.8 to active scanners.
Basically, even though they SAY there are fine with Gal not being scannable, they want to BE ABLE TO SCAN GAL's that ARENT devoting their entire FIT to damps, its dumb, they want to dump down the entire EWAR, EVERY SINGLE SLOT needs to be devoted to ONE job. They can't be happy that a Cal with 1 complex precision and 3 shields can see every single scout WITH a cloak on that isn't running at least 1 complex dampener. It's such a whine fest.
I use a codebreaker + cardio + kin kats + dampener = I am SOO much BETTER of a SSSCCCCOOOOUUTTTTTT than someone stacking 4 precision mods and running with a group to give them a perma scan of the battlefield. Go back to a playing a Logi, you clearly have on idea what SCOUTS DO. |
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:23:00 -
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Aramis Madrigal wrote:21yrOld Knight wrote:Scanning is mainly an offensive move. Dampening is mainly defensive. Defensive need to beat offensive.
Thats how I see it. Having a proto cal scout with precision and range enhancers in your squad makes everyone in that squad very dangerous. While the cal scout will miss a properly damped gal scout, everyone in his squad will see everything else. The cal scout has group offensive and defensive utility where as the gal scout has only personal offensive and defensive utility. What does the cal scout have to complain about? The precision bonus is probably the best bonus out of all the scouts in terms of how much it can help your team.
I was thinking the very same thing the other day. 1 Cal scout per squad (or even just 1 Cal scout on team) can effectively force every Gallente to give up some speed/stamina/tank/scan range etc. to remain stealthy (which is the focus of the frame).
That is a pretty impressive debuff when you think about it.
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Eko Sol
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:25:00 -
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Cal has the most OP suit simply because it takes 2 modules to do what the cal bonus can do where a single module is needed for the other scout variants.
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DozersMouse XIII
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:27:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:But it wouldn't be unfair for you to be able to scan everyone no matter how much SP and slots they devote to dampening? I thought that the math works out to even if Caldari spent all slots on scanning and with all skills V, the Gallente scout still wins out invisibility. What is the response now that the Caldari spent all his sp/fitting on scanning and still comes up short?
shared passive scans for 99% of the other suits on the field
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:51:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Complaining about not knowing where the enemy is all the time. What is wrong about using your eyes? Now, if the suit is overpowered, balance the suit. If the cloak is overpowered, balance the cloak. But complaining about the stealth specialist not being detected is ridiculous. I would prefer a game without scanners or even passive scanning, over a game where people is 360-¬ scanning all the time, passive or active. I would prefer a game where no one could be scanned over a game where everyone could be scanned. Because the enemy not appearing all the time on the map is obviously cheating.  EDIT: Just eliminate the 25% bonus to dampening from the cloak, or at least give it stacking penalties, and it should be ok.
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DozersMouse XIII
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:57:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Complaining about not knowing where the enemy is all the time. What is wrong about using your eyes? Now, if the suit is overpowered, balance the suit. If the cloak is overpowered, balance the cloak. But complaining about the stealth specialist not being detected is ridiculous. I would prefer a game without scanners or even passive scanning, over a game where people is 360-¬ scanning all the time, passive or active. I would prefer a game where no one could be scanned over a game where everyone could be scanned. Because the enemy not appearing all the time on the map is obviously cheating. EDIT: Just eliminate the 25% bonus to dampening from the cloak, or at least give it stacking penalties, and it should be ok.
I like ewar
but I agree with removing the 25% damp bonus to cloaks
one would think using something like cloak it would increase profile in some form
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JARREL THOMAS
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:14:00 -
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My thread has lived to long simple solution take away cloak 25% bonus.
And if the damps and precision enhancers are uneven even them.
And also something not even to the other but stomping it easily but barley trying with only using 2 slots isnt a counter but a stomp.
And if you guys fit your precision enhancers you guys should be able to scan cals aswell if this is imported.
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Yan Darn
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:35:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:Flyingconejo wrote:Complaining about not knowing where the enemy is all the time. What is wrong about using your eyes? Now, if the suit is overpowered, balance the suit. If the cloak is overpowered, balance the cloak. But complaining about the stealth specialist not being detected is ridiculous. I would prefer a game without scanners or even passive scanning, over a game where people is 360-¬ scanning all the time, passive or active. I would prefer a game where no one could be scanned over a game where everyone could be scanned. Because the enemy not appearing all the time on the map is obviously cheating. EDIT: Just eliminate the 25% bonus to dampening from the cloak, or at least give it stacking penalties, and it should be ok. I like ewar but I agree with removing the 25% damp bonus to cloaks one would think using something like cloak it would increase profile in some form
It's really not worth being the only thing our role bonus applies to at that point (the cloak effect is a bit of gimmick on its own), compared to weapon/equipment pg/cpu reduction etc. - all the other role bonuses have broader benefits and uses.
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Denn Maell
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:25:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:The Gallente scouts are monsters my Caldari scout cant find them the unscanable ones 2 complex damps...... *starts hitting head on wall*
But really thats a bit unfair thats like a heavy with more hp than what damage the game has to offer to us an imortal heavy.
Or in this case an unscanable scout.
and theres also the cloak bonus. minmatar scouts... thats all i got to say. dnt complain
Yes, in the case of precision vs. profile dampening Caldari and Gallente are outliers. Minmatar and am mar scouts aren't even in the EWAR (passive scanning) conversation. If the Gallente Scout can hide from Caldari Scout it can hide from everyone. Meanwhile, the Caldari scout with its precision bonus and scan range is clearly overkill. Nearly every suit in the game is vulnerable to being 'pinged' by the Caldari scout, with Ammar and Minmatar capable of hiding if they sacrifice their lowslots for this purpose.
This situation is not balanced. The Caldari Scout does not need the capability of 76m radius along with its precision to boot, meanwhile a Gallente scout is completely invisible with minimal sacrifice. This is not a case of hard counter meeting hard counter, its a case of 1 suit being able to stealth everything, while another suit can detect everything else. And every other suit need not even try.
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