DUST Search - I cant scan them.... Gallente scouts

Vargralor wrote:

DozersMouse XIII wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

DozersMouse XIII wrote:

you ******* idiots dont get it

cal scout with dual damps can only be scanned passively by another cal scout

EVERY other scout in the game cannot passively scan a dual damped cal scout

how is it balanced to make the cal scout scan every scout and other suit in the game passively?

and not be scanned passively by any other then the cal?

That's fine, as that's their role.

I know its okay

these guys want the cal scout to passively scan gal scouts (and I don't understand why)

they dont get the fact that a cal scout cannot be scanned by a gal, minmatar, or amarr scout passively

basically they are trying to unbalance balance lol

If you read through the posts here properly you would see that people are not advocating that Cal Scouts always should be able to see Gal Scouts passively. The issue here as stated by many people is that when fitting modules designed to counter each other there is some expectation of balance but in the case of the Gal Scout fitting 2 two low slots counter have 4 high slots. I have no problem with a Gal Scout with three or four damps being completely unscannable. The issue is that two damps is too low a number to be unscannable when there are so many other options for those empty slots. There is no single thing to point at and blame. The issue is a compound of several factors: Suit bonuses, module percentage imbalances, suit base stats, and the imbalance between high and low slot modules (as in all useful scout ones are low).

There is no simple answer and any debate about it will be heated but to deny the issue exists is either willful ignorance or defending to FOTM fits.

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Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. 435	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:45:00 - [91] - Quote you're comparing an indestructible suit to a suit that won't get picked up by ghetto wall hacks? that when you see looks like your lcd's on it's way out? how about why cant my gal suit have batvision at 70m? i want everything, why cant i have it? Primus sucks.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 290	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:13:00 - [92] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: you're comparing an indestructible suit to a suit that won't get picked up by ghetto wall hacks? that when you see looks like your lcd's on it's way out? how about why cant my gal suit have batvision at 70m? i want everything, why cant i have it? That comparison was saying its to good at something and that the fact that cal scouts have to fit out there entire highs to scan them and they just use 1-2+cloak = unscanable ven by us. it should be equal 2 damps = 2 precision enhancers. Anything else in need of explaining. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 999	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:42:00 - [93] - Quote Gallente scouts do need quite a nerf, their bonus should be something like a ion pistol ROF bonus Nemo me impune lacessit
Vargralor Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:28:00 - [94] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: you ******* idiots dont get it cal scout with dual damps can only be scanned passively by another cal scout EVERY other scout in the game cannot passively scan a dual damped cal scout how is it balanced to make the cal scout scan every scout and other suit in the game passively? and not be scanned passively by any other then the cal? That's fine, as that's their role. I know its okay these guys want the cal scout to passively scan gal scouts (and I don't understand why) they dont get the fact that a cal scout cannot be scanned by a gal, minmatar, or amarr scout passively basically they are trying to unbalance balance lol If you read through the posts here properly you would see that people are not advocating that Cal Scouts always should be able to see Gal Scouts passively. The issue here as stated by many people is that when fitting modules designed to counter each other there is some expectation of balance but in the case of the Gal Scout fitting 2 two low slots counter have 4 high slots. I have no problem with a Gal Scout with three or four damps being completely unscannable. The issue is that two damps is too low a number to be unscannable when there are so many other options for those empty slots. There is no single thing to point at and blame. The issue is a compound of several factors: Suit bonuses, module percentage imbalances, suit base stats, and the imbalance between high and low slot modules (as in all useful scout ones are low). There is no simple answer and any debate about it will be heated but to deny the issue exists is either willful ignorance or defending to FOTM fits.
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 244	Posted - 2014.04.29 12:48:00 - [95] - Quote I cannot believe this conversation is still going on, I understand what the OP and all the supporters are saying, they want EWAR more balanced where if they put a precision mod on, they can see a Gal unless the Gal puts on a dampener. The reason I am getting pissed off is because this is the way it CURRENTLY WORKS for EVERY SCOUT other THAN the GAL. You are the ONLY suit that can see other scouts so easily because YOUR BONUS IS TO PRECISION, but OUR bonus is to DAMPENING. SO NO, it doesn't work the same for us. We are unscannable, why don't you stop trying to make a gimped fit that can see one suit and be happy that 95% of the Gal don't put a single damp on anyways and be happy that you CAN scan them (cause I don't think it's FU@KING FAIR that ONE suit can put 4 precision mods and 2 dampeners and SEE AND HIDE FROM EVERY OTHER SUIT IN THE GAME). Look, maybe if your crutch BK42 Combat Rifle didn't slow me down as much as a HMG and stunlock me I would care about your arguments. But I run an advanced suit with a 10.77 sprint. I picked Gal for the slot layout and the damp bonus, not to run around like a turtle with sh!tloads of armor plates and dampeners on. My point is, there are many things to ***** about in this game, but you Cal's keep coming back to this EWAR imbalance between precision and dampening when there are so many bigger problems right now. Your argument that you should be able to see an unscannable suit is invalid, that's what AN UNSCANNABLE SUIT MEANS. I suppose you whiners were the guys stacking 4 complex damage mods pre 1.8 like a douche too. Anything to kill people that don't have 40mil SP and drive away any possible new players. THE PLAYERS ARE THE ONES RUINING THIS GAME, NOT CCP.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2483	Posted - 2014.04.29 12:56:00 - [96] - Quote Why do you people always look at the outliars in the data. Gal vs Cal scout is balanced. Both can see pretty much every other suit in the game, so stop QQing. HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes. "I tried so hard and got so far.... but in the end it doesnt even matter."
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5716	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:00:00 - [97] - Quote Just another case of a Caldari Player wanting everything handed to him.
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 245	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:10:00 - [98] - Quote Ok, let me put it to you this way, pre 1.8 scouts profile/precision was 40/45, the Gal AND the Min scout got a 25% bonus to dampening (the MIN is the ONE getting SCREWED in this bitchfest). 40 * 25 dampening * lvl 5 dampening = 26 db. IF scouts HAD a cloak it would have been another 25%, add that PLUS ONE dampener to the Gal suit and you had a 14 db signature. So you could hide from the most focused scanner in the game (the only thing that had a chance of scanning you) with a cloak and a damp OR two damps. IT DIDN'T TAKE FOUR FU@KING DAMPS to do your job as a scout. Just because there is a new suit that provides a WAY BETTER PASSIVE WAY of scanning people than an active scanner telling you someone is looking for you; doesn't mean it should take the Gal MORE Damps to get under the radar. The radar and precision that Cal's have shouldn't be greater than what was available pre 1.8. And pre 1.8 it took a maximum of 2 damps to hide from ANYTHING. Game. Set. Match.
DozersMouse XIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 546	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:15:00 - [99] - Quote Vargralor wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: you ******* idiots dont get it cal scout with dual damps can only be scanned passively by another cal scout EVERY other scout in the game cannot passively scan a dual damped cal scout how is it balanced to make the cal scout scan every scout and other suit in the game passively? and not be scanned passively by any other then the cal? That's fine, as that's their role. I know its okay these guys want the cal scout to passively scan gal scouts (and I don't understand why) they dont get the fact that a cal scout cannot be scanned by a gal, minmatar, or amarr scout passively basically they are trying to unbalance balance lol If you read through the posts here properly you would see that people are not advocating that Cal Scouts always should be able to see Gal Scouts passively. The issue here as stated by many people is that when fitting modules designed to counter each other there is some expectation of balance but in the case of the Gal Scout fitting 2 two low slots counter have 4 high slots. I have no problem with a Gal Scout with three or four damps being completely unscannable. The issue is that two damps is too low a number to be unscannable when there are so many other options for those empty slots. There is no single thing to point at and blame. The issue is a compound of several factors: Suit bonuses, module percentage imbalances, suit base stats, and the imbalance between high and low slot modules (as in all useful scout ones are low). There is no simple answer and any debate about it will be heated but to deny the issue exists is either willful ignorance or defending to FOTM fits. ok then let my gal scout dampen everyone in my squad to whatever db I dampen to. Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 837	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:20:00 - [100] - Quote Scanning is mainly an offensive move. Dampening is mainly defensive. Defensive need to beat offensive. Thats how I see it. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?

Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 249	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:21:00 - [101] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: ok then let my gal scout dampen everyone in my squad to whatever db I dampen to. Hahahaha, I ******* LOVE YOU. <----- YEA this too.
LT apparition Molon Labe. 88	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:32:00 - [102] - Quote I Love ALL THEM SCOUTS BUT THE AMARR THEY SUCK. We Fight, We Kill, You Die, The End.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1524	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:45:00 - [103] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Medical Crash wrote: Unscannable suit= unbalanced game. No argument can be made against this. "But it's EWAR! That's their role!" **** No OP. A completely undetectable suit is much much too powerful, and should not exist. I already gave a solution. Make the Gallente Scout at Proto- have to equip all its lows with Complex Dampners. Make it to wear he will only be scan proof when the cloak is activated. The cloaks duration times would have to be lowered for this to work of course. Stop trying to defend the suit, you know very well that CCP will nerf it. May take months, but their nerf IS coming. You know it, I know it, we all know it. NOOOOOOO thats making the scout rely purely on a *** cloak theres already arguments about the scouts bonus being built around the cloak so NO dampening will not be nerfed go on and nerf the cloak into the ground because I dont really give two * about the cloak go on and take my second equip slot also because I really dont give two *** about that either the gal scouts dampening is the ONLY counter to the cal's passive scans bro The Gal Scouts Dampning, is much much to good. The smartest players know that TACNET scan immunity is KING. The forums are complaining about the Scouts, their low profile and not the cloaks are the problem. CCP does this every time. They let the FOTM roam for a few months and make $$$$ on AUR FOTM purchases. They then correct the imbalance, causing another imbalance in the process. Surely you've all noticed something is broken nearly EVERY patch? Coincidence? I think not. To remain completely immune to ALL scans, great great sacrifices MUST be made in trade. Scouts have very low hp. If their using damps to become unscannable then their sacrificing even more. Just because you can't scan them doesn't mean their impossible to counter. Especially since there is many more cal scouts than gal. For example, try staying in a group. Scouts are poor at taking out groups. And if any suit is getting nerfed it unfortunately looks like it's going to be heavies based off of what CCP has said.
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 250	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:52:00 - [104] - Quote I just posted this, but Gal's were unscannable with only 2 damp prior to 1.8, just cause Cal's are out now, doesn't mean they should need to stack a dozen damps to become unscannable again. Cal's get to share their passive scans, making them MORE powerful than a focused duvolle scanner PERMANENTLY. I have 322 eHP on my Gal, but I can outrun a HMG, apparently though a BK42 combat rifle with a firing while cloaked Cal can stunlock me to death before I even know what's going on. See right there, I mentioned 3 more messed up things that need a look at more than this tired post. let my Gal dampen everything around us then.
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 238	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:54:00 - [105] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Scanning is mainly an offensive move. Dampening is mainly defensive. Defensive need to beat offensive. Thats how I see it. Having a proto cal scout with precision and range enhancers in your squad makes everyone in that squad very dangerous. While the cal scout will miss a properly damped gal scout, everyone in his squad will see everything else. The cal scout has group offensive and defensive utility where as the gal scout has only personal offensive and defensive utility. What does the cal scout have to complain about? The precision bonus is probably the best bonus out of all the scouts in terms of how much it can help your team.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1871	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:57:00 - [106] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: The Gallente scouts are monsters my Caldari scout cant find them the unscanable ones 2 complex damps...... starts hitting head on wall But really thats a bit unfair thats like a heavy with more hp than what damage the game has to offer to us an imortal heavy. Or in this case an unscanable scout. and theres also the cloak bonus. minmatar scouts... thats all i got to say. dnt complain Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 250	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:00:00 - [107] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: minmatar scouts... thats all i got to say. dnt complain That dangerous talk there, Cal whiners don't like perspective......... it's alright, there will be another post along shortly to start this whole whinefest all over again.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 508	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:07:00 - [108] - Quote I run a caldari scout, and it's pretty great. It needs a counter though, and that counter is the gallente Scout, just like the counter to the gallente Scout is the gallente logi. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 879	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:28:00 - [109] - Quote Complaining about not knowing where the enemy is all the time. What is wrong about using your eyes? I would prefer a game without scanners or even passive scanning, over a game where people is 360-¬ scanning all the time, passive or active. I would prefer a game where no one could be scanned over a game where everyone could be scanned. Because the enemy not appearing all the time on the map is obviously cheating. EDIT: Just eliminate the 25% bonus to dampening from the cloak, or at least give it stacking penalties, and it should be ok.
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 321	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:35:00 - [110] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: I run a caldari scout, and it's pretty great. It needs a counter though, and that counter is the gallente Scout, just like the counter to the gallente Scout is the gallente logi. Until that Scout wises up and equips a measly two Dampners, rendering him UNSCANNABLE BY NY MEANS. OP OP OP. Nerf it CCP, I believe in you.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8170	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:46:00 - [111] - Quote I die a lot to Gallente scouts because I can't see them in the minimap and I die to Caldari scouts because they always see me through a wall. I'm in a Minmatar or Amarr scout suit. Do you see me complaining about any of that? No. Moving on. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1524	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:56:00 - [112] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: I run a caldari scout, and it's pretty great. It needs a counter though, and that counter is the gallente Scout, just like the counter to the gallente Scout is the gallente logi. Until that Scout wises up and equips a measly two Dampners, rendering him UNSCANNABLE BY NY MEANS. OP OP OP. Nerf it CCP, I believe in you. So your saying there should be something that can scan everything? That would be balanced Just because you can't scan them at all times dosen't mean their OP. Learn 2 eyes
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 250	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:58:00 - [113] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: I run a caldari scout, and it's pretty great. It needs a counter though, and that counter is the gallente Scout, just like the counter to the gallente Scout is the gallente logi. Until that Scout wises up and equips a measly two Dampners, rendering him UNSCANNABLE BY NY MEANS. OP OP OP. Nerf it CCP, I believe in you. Sigh, the Gal was unscannable with 2 complex dampeners BEFORE 1.8. Your whine is invalid.
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. 439	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:01:00 - [114] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Just another case of a BAD Player wanting everything handed to him. fixed Primus sucks.
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 322	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:05:00 - [115] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Medical Crash wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: I run a caldari scout, and it's pretty great. It needs a counter though, and that counter is the gallente Scout, just like the counter to the gallente Scout is the gallente logi. Until that Scout wises up and equips a measly two Dampners, rendering him UNSCANNABLE BY NY MEANS. OP OP OP. Nerf it CCP, I believe in you. So your saying there should be something that can scan everything? That would be balanced Just because you can't scan them at all times dosen't mean their OP. Learn 2 eyes You can remain unscannable, but must be at A HIGH cost. At proto ALL Low slots must me fitted with Complex Dampners, and you are not undetectable until you use your cloak. This would only work if cloak duration times were lowered as well. So this way you CAN be scanned, but not 24/7. You would have "waves of opportunity" to roam scan free. L3arn to balance.
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 251	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:15:00 - [116] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Medical Crash wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: I run a caldari scout, and it's pretty great. It needs a counter though, and that counter is the gallente Scout, just like the counter to the gallente Scout is the gallente logi. Until that Scout wises up and equips a measly two Dampners, rendering him UNSCANNABLE BY NY MEANS. OP OP OP. Nerf it CCP, I believe in you. So your saying there should be something that can scan everything? That would be balanced Just because you can't scan them at all times dosen't mean their OP. Learn 2 eyes You can remain unscannable, but must be at A HIGH cost. At proto ALL Low slots must me fitted with Complex Dampners, and you are not undetectable until you use your cloak. This would only work if cloak duration times were lowered as well. So this way you CAN be scanned, but not 24/7. You would have "waves of opportunity" to roam scan free. L3arn to balance. You are ****** and clearly don't WANT to read any of the 6 pages of posts I wrote about this. Why? WHY? make it come at an extreme cost? cause YOU want it that way. That's what the Gallente DO MAN, they hide, thats why the CAL DO, they scan. YOU BASICALLY want a suit that can see everything and hide from everyone and can share ALL that permanently scanning information with your squad, do you realize how insanely overpowered that is? It's not like I can throw on 4 dampeners and damp my entire squad. CCP IN THIER WISDOM said, hey, 2 will do the job, now use your other slot TO SCOUT. TO HACK, TO RUN FAST, TO HAVE LOT's O STAMINA. Medical Crash wrote:** L3arn to balance. BALANCE REALLY???? FINE, you can see us with 4 precisions and 2 ARMOR PLATES, if we can dampen with FOUR DAMPENERS AND 2 ARMOR SHIELDS? WHAT's THAT? Armor gives THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT SHIELDS DO? SO YOU WILL HAVE AN EHP ADVANTAGE OVER US TOO? AWESOME.
Sarcastic Dreamkiller BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 123	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:23:00 - [117] - Quote because everything needs a weakness, and the weakness of caldari scouts are gallente scouts. I'm a caldari scout and I don't even run dampener's, I use 2 complex range amplifiers (52m scan radius) with 2 complex precision enhancers and if gallente scouts didn't exist then there would be nothing to keep me in check.
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 252	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:37:00 - [118] - Quote Soooo, cool I ran the numbers so we can appease the Cal whiners. Gal's can run 4 complex dampeners, 2 complex shields, hide from everyone, see NO other scouts in the game or mediums with a dampener on and have 223 shield + 162 armor = 395 eHP Cal's can 4 complex precision, 2 complex armor plates, see ALL other scouts, hide from all other scouts but another Cal or one running 2 complex precisions and have 235 shield + 373 armor = 608 eHP So, you want 33% extra health, share your prema vision with everyone, be able to see all scouts, and hide from almost everyone. Can this please be the last post in this thread? Stop asking CCP to give you a bigger crutch, its pretty fracking big as it is.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 923	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:06:00 - [119] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: But it wouldn't be unfair for you to be able to scan everyone no matter how much SP and slots they devote to dampening? I thought that the math works out to even if Caldari spent all slots on scanning and with all skills V, the Gallente scout still wins out invisibility. What is the response now that the Caldari spent all his sp/fitting on scanning and still comes up short? >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1524	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:18:00 - [120] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Medical Crash wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: I run a caldari scout, and it's pretty great. It needs a counter though, and that counter is the gallente Scout, just like the counter to the gallente Scout is the gallente logi. Until that Scout wises up and equips a measly two Dampners, rendering him UNSCANNABLE BY NY MEANS. OP OP OP. Nerf it CCP, I believe in you. So your saying there should be something that can scan everything? That would be balanced Just because you can't scan them at all times dosen't mean their OP. Learn 2 eyes You can remain unscannable, but must be at A HIGH cost. At proto ALL Low slots must me fitted with Complex Dampners, and you are not undetectable until you use your cloak. This would only work if cloak duration times were lowered as well. So this way you CAN be scanned, but not 24/7. You would have "waves of opportunity" to roam scan free. L3arn to balance. No, that's not balanced, that's wanting to be able to scan everything Needing to use most of my lows to be unscannable is already a huge sacrifice. Scouts have been able to avoid scans BEFORE 1.8 so your just QQing



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