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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:21:00 -
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My name is Zatara Rought and I am here to declare my candidacy for CPM1.
Who am I? IGÇÖve been playing since January last year. I was introduced to Dust by a friend after talking to him about a front page Reddit post about the battle of Asakai. When I started playing Dust I quickly fell in love with the complexity and the ideas behind it, something which has kept me here ever since. Presently, I run a mercenary corporation called Fatal Absolution. As flawed as PC is, I enjoy it GÇô the ideal of having competitive and meaningful battles is something that really appeals to me.
What are my qualifications I believe IGÇÖm qualified for the position because I have extensive experience of Dust. IGÇÖve not been here since closed beta, but IGÇÖve been here a long time GÇô over 15 months now. During that time IGÇÖve spent a large amount of time on Dust (about 60k kills on my main, and more on my alts), and I feel that I have an informed perspective on much of Dust. I believe that I can apply a logical playerGÇÖs view to the problems facing Dust in the future and that I can effectively communicate that to CCP. As an active participant in a number of Dust discussions (not always on the forums!) such as Hans JaegerblitzenGÇÖs Dust Scussion chat on Skype and a few episodes of GimbleBGÇÖs podcast Boots on the Ground such as this, I like to think that I can be an intelligent part of the discussion. If you want to know more, IGÇÖd encourage you to listen to this a podcast GÇô hearing me talk about Dust is probably better than reading this!
Why I want to be on the CPM I want to help improve the game. Dust is something IGÇÖm really very passionate about. I spend a lot of time on it GÇô playing it, talking on the forums, talking with friends IGÇÖve made from this game. ItGÇÖs something that pains me when I see a part of it in a bad way GÇô something that IGÇÖd very much like to do my part to address.
This can range from the load times for my large contacts list [insert video soonTM documenting what i mean], to my mailbox being really annoying to navigate (i would prefer we could just scroll down and have it automatically open the mail below it instead of needing to close a mail, scroll down and open the next one, doing this 20-30x a day is a pain >.<), to neutral installations being destroyed as WP farms at the beginning of matches, to PC mechanics and beyond.
Dust514 needs to improve the sandbox What drew me to dust wasnGÇÖt the polished mechanics of an AAA shooter. What drew me to dust was the scope of the universe and the depth of the fitting and SP system. What kept me around was the social interaction, hope of affecting something, and really, dreaming. In Eve Online the thrill and consequences of choosing how to engage New Eden is truly immersive. The most immersion I've felt in dust has been playing Planetary Conquest, and I'm rather disappointed about how far removed I feel even then. I want to scour and pool creativity to find a way to make dust more immersive in the same way GÇô I myself want Dust to actually feel like it matters. ItGÇÖs a broad goal. ItGÇÖs not something thatGÇÖs going to be achieved easily or quickly but achieving a measure of success in this area would do wonders for making dust more appealing not by conformity, but through fleshing out our flavor. That which makes dust unique. I want to feel like what I do matters. I want to feel myself exist in New Eden, and I want that for you as well. However, I recognise that weGÇÖve got a long way to go on this and certainly some more thought needs to go into the basic mechanics of the bigger picture. This isnGÇÖt a simple topic and I donGÇÖt think thereGÇÖs anything I can say here in particular to persuade you that I have good ideas on this, so I think the best way here is for you to ask me! Ask me about these things, IGÇÖd love to answer. I donGÇÖt think thereGÇÖs much point in detailing [i]all[i] the suggestions I have about current mechanics as fanfest is just around the corner and I imagine there will be a few treats that will change the conversation topic as weGÇÖre moving forward nevertheless I am yours to question.
Unfortunately we donGÇÖt know the dates of when these elections are going to happen but IGÇÖd like to I want to make you all aware of my intent to run and expose myself as much as possible.
You can contact me through my Dust mail, twitter @ZataraRought, Skype (Zatara.Rought), or any other method that's convenient for you (just let me know).
Thank you for your consideration and your support.
CEO of FA
B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA
Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
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DaNizzle4shizle
Pradox One Proficiency V.
808
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:38:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:My name is Zatara Rought and I am here to declare my candidacy for CPM1. Who am I? IGÇÖve been playing since January last year. I was introduced to Dust by a friend after talking to him about a front page Reddit post about the battle of Asakai. When I started playing Dust I quickly fell in love with the complexity and the ideas behind it, something which has kept me here ever since. Presently, I run a mercenary corporation called Fatal Absolution. As flawed as PC is, I enjoy it GÇô the idea of having competitive and meaningful battles is something that really appeals to me. What are my qualifications I believe IGÇÖm qualified for the position because I have extensive experience of Dust. IGÇÖve not been here since closed beta, but IGÇÖve been here a long time GÇô over 15 months now. During that time IGÇÖve spent a large amount of time on Dust (about 60k kills on my main, and more on my alts), and I feel that I have an informed perspective on much of Dust. I believe that I can apply a logical playerGÇÖs view to the problems facing Dust in the future and that I can effectively communicate that to CCP. As an active participant in a number of Dust discussions (not always on the forums!) such as Hans JaegerblitzenGÇÖs Dust Scussion chat on Skype and a few episodes of GimbleBGÇÖs podcast Boots on the Ground such as this, I like to think that I can be an intelligent part of the discussion. If you want to know more, IGÇÖd encourage you to listen to this a podcast GÇô hearing me talk about Dust is probably better than reading this! Why I want to be on the CPM I want to help improve the game. Dust is something IGÇÖm really very passionate about. I spend a lot of time on it GÇô playing it, talking on the forums, talking with friends IGÇÖve made from this game. ItGÇÖs something that pains me when I see a part of it in a bad way GÇô something that IGÇÖd very much like to do my part to address. This can range from the load times for my large contacts list [insert video soonTM documenting what i mean], to my mailbox being really annoying to navigate (i would prefer we could just scroll down and have it automatically open the mail below it instead of needing to close a mail, scroll down and open the next one, doing this 20-30x a day is a pain >.<), to neutral installations being destroyed as WP farms at the beginning of matches, to PC mechanics and beyond. Dust514 needs to improve the sandbox What drew me to dust wasnGÇÖt the polished mechanics of an AAA shooter. What drew me to dust was the scope of the universe and the depth of the fitting and SP system. What kept me around was the social interaction, hope of affecting something, and really, dreaming. In Eve Online the thrill and consequences of choosing how to engage New Eden is truly immersive. The most immersion I've felt in dust has been playing Planetary Conquest, and I'm rather disappointed about how far removed I feel even then. I want to scour and pool creativity to find a way to make dust more immersive in the same way GÇô I want Dust to actually feel like it matters. ItGÇÖs a broad goal. ItGÇÖs not something thatGÇÖs going to be achieved easily or quickly but achieving a measure of success in this area would do wonders for making dust more appealing not by conformity, but through fleshing out our flavor. That which makes dust unique. I want to feel like what I do matters. I want to feel myself exist in New Eden, and I want that for you as well. However, I recognise that weGÇÖve got a long way to go on this and certainly some more thought needs to go into the basic mechanics of the bigger picture. This isnGÇÖt a simple topic and I donGÇÖt think thereGÇÖs anything I can say here in particular to persuade you that I have good ideas on this, so I think the best way here is for you to ask me! Ask me about these things, IGÇÖd love to answer. I donGÇÖt think thereGÇÖs much point in detailing all the suggestions I have about current mechanics as fanfest is just around the corner and I imagine there will be a few treats that will change the conversation topic as weGÇÖre moving forward nevertheless I am yours to question. Unfortunately we donGÇÖt know the dates of when these elections are going to happen but IGÇÖd like to I want to make you all aware of my intent to run and expose myself as much as possible. You can contact me through my Dust mail, twitter @ZataraRought, Skype (Zatara.Rought), or any other method that's convenient for you (just let me know). Thank you for your consideration and your support. you just want to be CPM just so you can abuse the knowledge for your corp and alliance. My vote is No.
Desire means never quit.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2098
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:42:00 -
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DaNizzle4shizle wrote:you just want to be CPM just so you can abuse the knowledge for your corp and alliance. My vote is No.
What evidence do you have to support that charge? Vote as you will, but let's keep to a higher tier of discourse here in the Council's Chamber.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2627
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Posted - 2014.04.22 22:26:00 -
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DaNizzle4shizle wrote: you just want to be CPM just so you can abuse the knowledge for your corp and alliance. My vote is No.
What makes you think this is true?
CEO of FA
B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA
Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9634
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Posted - 2014.04.22 23:06:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote: you just want to be CPM just so you can abuse the knowledge for your corp and alliance. My vote is No.
What makes you think this is true?
Your public image..... but that's something entirely removed from fact or fiction. I look forward to seeing what kind of candidate you turn out to be.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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Killar-12
OLDSPICE. Top Men.
2694
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Posted - 2014.04.22 23:29:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote: you just want to be CPM just so you can abuse the knowledge for your corp and alliance. My vote is No.
What makes you think this is true? Your public image..... but that's something entirely removed from fact or fiction. I look forward to seeing what kind of candidate you turn out to be. This is sort of where I stand, I've never fought against or with you in PC/in a FW Qsync nor Talked to you, I know you're competent, but I'd love to squad up and plink some reds one time, or if you were on Podside (Please don't bring DNSBlack along though...)
How to Leave PC
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Appia Nappia
597
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Posted - 2014.04.23 00:06:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote: you just want to be CPM just so you can abuse the knowledge for your corp and alliance. My vote is No.
What makes you think this is true?
It is clearly true because you waited until you corp joined an alliance with a terrible reputation before you posted.
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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Appia Nappia
597
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Posted - 2014.04.23 00:09:00 -
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Seriously though, the way you posted it seems like you have an unrealistic expectation for what it is like to be on CPM. You're going to be less of someone that shapes the game and more of an advocate for good ideas and a filter for bad one.
On that level I do think you'd do a good job of that, but if you think you could accomplish what's in your "sandbox" section, you're certainly mistaken on what the CMP position would be.
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
1597
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Posted - 2014.04.23 00:31:00 -
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No panty dropper songs? How could the people follow such a man who doesn't appreciate the sexy voices of black guys?
The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs.
Amarrican to the core.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2636
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Posted - 2014.04.23 01:44:00 -
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Appia Nappia wrote:Seriously though, the way you posted it seems like you have an unrealistic expectation for what it is like to be on CPM. You're going to be less of someone that shapes the game and more of an advocate for good ideas and a filter for bad one.
On that level I do think you'd do a good job of that, but if you think you could accomplish what's in your "sandbox" section, you're certainly mistaken on what the CMP position would be.
'Shaping the game' and being and advocate for good ideas and a filter for bad ones are not mutually exclusive.
Do I think i'll be able to implement all the longshot dreams Black Jackal's proffered during my term? No.
Do I think it's nevertheless important to share what my own vision is and a small bit of insight into how I approach feedback?
Yes.
I don't pretend to think I'll be able to implement PVE, but that doesn't mean I won't poke at every opportunity with all the weight being a CPM commands to the Dev's.
CEO of FA
B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA
Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2211
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Posted - 2014.04.23 02:34:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:No panty dropper songs? How could the people follow such a man who doesn't appreciate the sexy voices of black guys?
I however support such sounds. As long as they stay away from my private time with my womenz! Derrith!
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
2365
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Posted - 2014.04.23 03:25:00 -
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Reserved
The problem with tanks
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
926
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Posted - 2014.04.23 03:44:00 -
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Zatara,
Glad to see that you've put your hat in the ring for CPM. More candidates that are viable is always the preferable situation and you certainly bring a well known background that will no doubt generate some good discussion and hopefully highlight the pros and cons of your candidacy.
One of your biggest strengths and perhaps biggest drawbacks to your CPM run might very well be well known reputation and in-game history. What do you personally see as your biggest personal strengths you can bring to the CPM and what are the traits that might cause the most friction or problems? What would the differences be in Zatara the player vs Zatara the CPM that might surprise folks?
Additionally, here are a few questions for you (same as I pose to all candidates):
1) Other than the forums how do you intend to collect and communicate requests, needs, POV of the community? In particular, those outside your corp / alliance.
2) What level of interaction would you like to establish between the CPM and CSM?
3) What are the top 3 short term (next 2mo's) changes you would encourage CCP to make? I'm looking for concrete examples that are realistic to achieve.
4) What are the top 3 mid term (next 6mo's) changes you would encourage CCP to make?
5) In Spring of 2015, when CPM1's term is up, what would you want people to have said about your tenure as a CPM member?
6) Will you be creating a channel for folks to meet and sqd with you during the period before the election?
Thank you for your time.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2643
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:20:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Zatara,
Glad to see that you've put your hat in the ring for CPM. More candidates that are viable is always the preferable situation and you certainly bring a well known background that will no doubt generate some good discussion and hopefully highlight the pros and cons of your candidacy.
One of your biggest strengths and perhaps biggest drawbacks to your CPM run might very well be well known reputation and in-game history. What do you personally see as your biggest individual strengths you can bring to the CPM and what are the traits that might cause the most friction or problems? What would the differences be in Zatara the player vs Zatara the CPM that might surprise folks?
Additionally, here are a few questions for you (same as I pose to all candidates):
1) Other than the forums how do you intend to collect and communicate requests, needs, POV of the community? In particular, those outside your corp / alliance.
2) What level of interaction would you like to establish between the CPM and CSM?
3) What are the top 3 short term (next 2mo's) changes you would encourage CCP to make? I'm looking for concrete examples that are realistic to achieve.
4) What are the top 3 mid term (next 6mo's) changes you would encourage CCP to make?
5) In Spring of 2015, when CPM1's term is up, what would you want people to have said about your tenure as a CPM member?
6) Will you be creating a channel for folks to meet and sqd with you during the period before the election?
Thank you for your time.
Thank you Jaysyn. This is finals week for me so I am quite busy, but I promise to craft a response as soon as i'm able.
CEO of FA
B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA
Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
933
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Posted - 2014.04.23 19:36:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:
Thank you Jaysyn. This is finals week for me so I am quite busy, but I promise to craft a response as soon as i'm able.
No problem...good luck with finals.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Tallen Ellecon
1805
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:39:00 -
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I have nothing against you personally, but the actions of you and your corp make me doubt you can put the needs of the community before yourself.
Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12732
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Posted - 2014.04.26 17:43:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:I have nothing against you personally, but the actions of you and your corp make me doubt you can put the needs of the community before yourself. What actions, specifically, are you referring to?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2014.04.26 18:12:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:I have nothing against you personally, but the actions of you and your corp make me doubt you can put the needs of the community before yourself. What actions, specifically, are you referring to? Just excuse that post. It's completely unfair and biased to judge someone based on the intense political metasphere going on in PC. It's easy to try to snipe him over it when the rest of the candidates will never get fielded for a PC match or lead/make a decent team.
If anything, him being involved at all is +100 over the rest of the fail candidates. |
Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
233
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Posted - 2014.04.26 20:09:00 -
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If you could implement 3 hot fixes for PC right now, what would they be?
& where would you like to see DUST's competitive setting a year from now?
& justice for all
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echo47
Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2014.04.27 02:44:00 -
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What is your stance on pub matches based on gear restrictions?
I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
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Tallen Ellecon
1818
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Posted - 2014.04.27 03:28:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:I have nothing against you personally, but the actions of you and your corp make me doubt you can put the needs of the community before yourself. What actions, specifically, are you referring to? Just excuse that post. It's completely unfair and biased to judge someone based on the intense political metasphere going on in PC. It's easy to try to snipe him over it when the rest of the candidates will never get fielded for a PC match or lead/make a decent team. If anything, him being involved at all is +100 over the rest of the fail candidates.
Very true, I wouldn't be mad if Zatara was a CPM, I just have doubts.
Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE Soonn++ó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
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Wolfica
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
641
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Posted - 2014.04.27 12:41:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:
Very true, I wouldn't be mad if Zatara was a CPM, I just have doubts.
Doubts is exactly what you should have for all candidates.
Bias that inhibits you from making a decision based off of platform and not petty perceptions that happen to be an 'easy' way to impede and damage someone who genuinely and selflessly wants to volunteer much of his time toward helping the game improve?
We need to be better than that.
Let platform and not petty perceptions be the reason you choose to vote or not vote for Zatara.
Do you even PC bro.... ha I bet you don't.
forum warrior lvl .6
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dwater
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
56
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Posted - 2014.04.27 12:57:00 -
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Zatara has proven the dedication and focus to build a competitive corp with players that were overlooked for one reason or another and made everyone that played FA regret it.
You can disagree with his political decisions, but barring yourself (or others if you're in a position to do so) from constructively critiquing what he brings to the table is dumb.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
1648
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Posted - 2014.04.27 13:54:00 -
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dwater wrote:Zatara has proven the dedication and focus to build a competitive corp with players that were overlooked for one reason or another and made everyone that played FA regret it.
You can disagree with his political decisions, but barring yourself (or others if you're in a position to do so) from constructively critiquing what he brings to the table is dumb.
Here here. I don't normally talk well of Zatara, or well, most people, because I see it as butt kissing, which I hate more than anything.
But I'm also a firm believer in giving credit where it is due. Zat may be a bit eccentric, and he can be a bit of a handful when he FC's, but I do believe he has good intentions for the game and community, and wants to build a good, lasting game experience for new players and vets alike.
And even though you posted no love for panty dropper beats or even a quick taco mention, you have my vote.
The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs.
Amarrican to the core.
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance
405
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Posted - 2014.04.27 21:26:00 -
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Since this is where adults talk, my main question is how do you expect the community to distinguish between Zatara the player and Zatara the CPM?
Spero argues that one is not the other, which I still can't comprehend. I have yet to see any example of anything remotely political working like this. For example, the mayor can't convince the citizens that he truly knows how to make good decisions for the community--for them--after he gets caught banging the sheriff's wife.
So, please explain to me how you will represent the entire community while continuing to alienate the majority from one of the game modes, which is a poor decision for the community. I don't think it's a secret that the vast majority of the player base is completely against what DNS stands for.
I would pose this question to anyone in your position, but none of the other CPM candidates are in DNS--that I know of--and have your same track record.
I appreciate any responses. Happy Gaming!!! |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12799
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Posted - 2014.04.27 22:39:00 -
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Kiarbanor,
I have a question for you as well. Why the hate for Zatara the player? The association with DNS?
You say that he is 'alienating the majority from one of the game modes'. This is not a problem with Zatara, it's a 'problem' because one group is winning overwhelmingly and he just happens to be a part of that group. What exactly is DNS doing to put everyone off PC apart from winning?
If you were to read Zatara's posts, you would see that he's an advocate of changes to PC. AFAIK, he doesn't believe that the current implementation is successful. I'm not sure what he's supported specifically (I don't really stalk the guy) but I'm fairly certain he supports changes to make getting into PC easier such as increasing the size of clone packs so they're a more viable way to win districts.
If you're still concerned with his political affiliation, let me link you an old thread about his political intentions and show you some chatlogs. This part of my post is obviously going to be 'political' in nature.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1893643#post1893643 This was a thread in which FA was selling districts. For context, at the time ERA was selling districts at 200 mil each. Zatara did not need to sell the districts at literally half the price to compete - he could simply have undercut ERA's prices. But instead he cut the price drastically. Later, Kane offered to buy the entire stock (either for reselling or for ERA's own uses) but Zatara declined. Why did he do both of these things?
Zatara to Kane: [3/3/14 1:04:25 PM] Zatara Rought: We aren't selling districts to NF so they can re sell silly [3/3/14 1:04:35 PM] Zatara Rought: we want more people getting fights in PC [3/3/14 1:04:37 PM] Zatara Rought: :P [3/3/14 1:04:50 PM] Zatara Rought: Lemme know about the PFC job [3/3/14 1:06:01 PM] Kane Spero: Who said anything about reselling [3/3/14 1:06:15 PM] Zatara Rought: We aren't selling districts to NF
[03/03/2014 20:07:07] Zatara Rought: an unstated rule of the thread is that I'm combing buyers to make sure they have the people to defend the districtGǪcan't be a fuggin 22 man corp full of alts that have an average of 2.5k kills [03/03/2014 20:07:23] Zatara Rought: this is to make content
Obviously, this didn't turn out well in the end. But the intention was clearly not to be a greedy landlord scrounging for every last ISK and keeping new groups out of PC completely.
I'm unsure how familiar you are with recent history in PC but for the benefit of those readers who aren't very familiar, up until the great blue donut that we have at present FA (and Zatara) were part of a group called General Tso's Alliance. This was the only major group to be fighting against DNS at the time - most other groups were either locked up or were quickly evicted. Most, if not all of the Tso's districts were permanently locked with attacks. For our side, the war was effectively lost on the first day. It dragged on for a little while but the conclusion was pretty much certain. It is difficult to fight an enemy which can attack all of your timers (thereby preventing you from counterattacking with district clones) and who has a much greater income than you.
So that war was lost. As our last districts fell, however, FA received an offer to join NF/DNS. With our war obviously lost, players in corp burning out, the choice was obvious. Zatara chose to put FA in the alliance. And that's how we ended up in DNS.
I may have portrayed DNS as the 'bad guys' here. This is also unfair. The politics are a lot more murky than money grabbing landlords beating up a weaker group of selfless paragons of virtue. People blued up because it was necessary. Before the main war happened there were three strong groups in PC. ERA, Renegade Alliance (AE/NS) and FA/RND. Naturally, fearing the other two groups would team up on them each group sought an alliance. ERA and RA allied and joined DNS to get EVE support, leading to the dominant group of DNS that you see today. Everyone had their own justifiable reasons for doing what they did. The net result is that we have a large and completely dominant alliance which is almost universally hated. It doesn't help that a handful of trash posters inflame the masses calling them 'peasants' and 'pubbies'.
There's so much hatred for DNS out there and I honestly don't understand why. The entire alliance is not hell bent on making PC a stagnant mess. It's just turned out that way. There are people wanting to '100% MH' but that's really a pride factor. It's not because they're a bunch of douchebags.
People frequently bash on people like Kane as well, due to him being a figurehead. I notice you're also questioning Kane based on his political motivations - but really, are they that heinous? If you look at what he is posting you will see that he too advocates changes to PC. Increases to clone pack size are seen as a crucial change - but IIRC 'political' people within DNS have gone so far as to advocate the removal of passive ISK. Is that really in keeping with this image of DNS being obsessed with keeping their dominance?
You say that 'the majority of the playerbase is completely against what DNS stands for'. What is it that you believe DNS stands for? People like Zatara and Kane are not evil overlords. They're decent human beings, who have had to make political decisions due to circumstance. Can you honestly say that most people would not have done similar things in their positions?
So I would like to ask you, and anyone else critical of Zatara (and any other DNS candidates, I believe Canari Elphus is also DNS) to discard these ideas that DNS and everyone in it are terrible. It's a shallow prejudice that obscures what these people are trying to do. They are trying to make PC easier to get into, less unbalanced, more active, less of a farmfest, etc.
Stop judging people based on their alliance and start judging them based on who they are.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.04.28 00:19:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Kiarbanor,
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Stop judging people based on their alliance and start judging them based on who they are.
Arkena,
That post and the information in it was very appreciated. This is a good illustrator of why i posted the particular questions for Zatara earlier in this thread...there are clearly strong opinions (good and bad) about Zatara and by extension DNS.
As for me...my personal concerns come from hearing Zatara on coms going absolutely overboard when things are getting out of hand on more than one occasion and we've had previous business dealings with him that were very difficult to be frank. I am attempting to see how he comports himself as a candidate and give him a fair shot...the game is important enough to do that.
Also, I would like to be clear - I do believe that Zatara really does want to help the game and there is no doubt that some of the actions he's supported have helped part of the community. I can't speak to the actual intent or original design of some of those actions.
I would also point out that many folks in the community want to genuinely help the game and have a lot of talent but that doesn't mean that they would make excellent CPM members.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2014.04.28 00:29:00 -
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I do not distinguish between the player and the person. In the end they come from the same mind and peoples actions in the digital world are no different then those in the real. This is one thing people tend to forget, if you ruin the experience of another player, it's not just some npc that will be respawned, that's a human being that will take that ill experience, go somewhere else, and tell their friends to avoid this game. Just as our kindness can brighten another players day, our selfishness can ruin it.
Players shouldn't take most of the blame, it's a sandbox, we're supposed to have a certain freedom, and CCP has allowed this game to make it even more difficult for new players. But there are those who understands the underlying problems, and still choose to exploit it to their gain. That's fine, but if the same people want to also tell me that they're doing it for the greater good..... then there is a disconnect, either they can not comprehend the contradictions between their words and actions, or they are intentionally lying and hope to deceive us.
Zatara is not one of those people. FA is not one of those corps. The overall view by most is less of a disdain and more of a dissapointment.
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.28 03:37:00 -
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Arkena, I appreciate you trying to make an argument for your team member, and I assume friend. I will not go point by point because I'm on an iPad, and I'm just not going to type that much.
I have nothing against Zatara or Spero. I've talked to both of them briefly, and they aren't horrible people. However, you never answered my question. How is Zatara going to represent the community when he's made the decisions he's made?
You don't have to give me a history lesson; I've been part of numerous conversations where Zatara spoke. You know, "top secret" stuff. I know what Zatara was trying to do. I heard his intentions over chat. However, his actions--believe or not--speak volumes. He and Spero both speak and support adjustments to PC; yet, their actions contradict that by being in the biggest blue donut Dust has ever seen. Not just that, but being part of a blue donut that wants to wipe the entire player base from the map. To me, that is stopping the majority from enjoying a game mode. How can you even begin to argue that?
The only people that argue and defend what DNS has done to the game are those in DNS. Everyone else sees it for what it is. This isn't the War Room, though; so, we don't need to get in those arguments.
All I'm asking is how the player base can trust Zatara to represent them. From being on comms and listening to him speak, then watching his actions as he disregarded loyalty for the almighty ISK, I'm struggling to see how he can even be considered a legit option.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 06:21:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote: I have nothing against Zatara or Spero. I've talked to both of them briefly, and they aren't horrible people. However, you never answered my question. How is Zatara going to represent the community when he's made the decisions he's made?
Why are the decisions he's made so bad? What decisions, exactly, make him unsuitable?
Quote: You don't have to give me a history lesson; I've been part of numerous conversations where Zatara spoke. You know, "top secret" stuff. I know what Zatara was trying to do. I heard his intentions over chat. However, his actions--believe or not--speak volumes. He and Spero both speak and support adjustments to PC; yet, their actions contradict that by being in the biggest blue donut Dust has ever seen. Not just that, but being part of a blue donut that wants to wipe the entire player base from the map. To me, that is stopping the majority from enjoying a game mode. How can you even begin to argue that?
Again, what actions? FA is not a landholding corp, nor is it feasible to just break away from DNS. You're again making the sweeping generalisation that everyone in DNS wants to 'wipe the entire player base from the map'. If you go to the war room, sure, you'll see some of that sentiment expressed by some trash posters from DNS. But you'll also see people cheering on OH and WTF for bringing good fights and wishing them luck.
Quote: The only people that argue and defend what DNS has done to the game are those in DNS. Everyone else sees it for what it is. This isn't the War Room, though; so, we don't need to get in those arguments.
All I'm asking is how the player base can trust Zatara to represent them. From being on comms and listening to him speak, then watching his actions as he disregarded loyalty for the almighty ISK, I'm struggling to see how he can even be considered a legit option.
I'm having a hard time distinguishing decisions made by the player compared to future decisions of a person in direct conversations with CCP.
How exactly has he 'disregarded loyalty for the almighty ISK'? When FA left Tso's, with half their players burning out from fielding almost every timer the alliance had, having effectively been defeated?
Can you honestly say that if you were in the same position, primarily wanting to play PC, with your corp mostly beaten, about to get evicted from PC, corp in and then you receive an offer to stay in - would you refuse it? What about that decision was so utterly terrible that it must mean that Zatara is an eminently unsuitable candidate?
EDIT: To clarify my intentions with these posts, I am not extolling the virtues of Zatara as a candidate. But I absolutely despise all these judgements of him based off political decisions that 99% of the time people don't actually understand.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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