DUST Search - Zatara Rought for CPM1

SoTa PoP wrote:

Archer Yorcot wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Some questions and concerns about Zatara may be valid, others, I don't think are so valid. I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet (other then myself, of course), but I urge people not to rush to conclusions. I don't feel being in the dominant landholding alliance is necessarily a capital crime for a CPM candidate. While exploits have been a problem for a pretty large percentage of the PC playerbase, largely speaking, the fault is CCP's failure to create a good game mode, and failure to police those individuals exploiting the system.

If the game is in such a way that allows one to take 100% of it, that's not the player's fault for doing it. Does everyone here expect CPM members to pull their punches in-game? Planetary Conquest is part of the game, and by it's very definition, you're kinda supposed to try and kick people out of it.

I mean, I'm big on PFC, so you know, sometimes I can be a big carebear about getting people into PC and having fun. But it's hard to blame someone for playing the game well.

No one is blaming Zatara for playing the game "well."

But his assertion that his in-game conduct should have no bearing on his candidacy is fundamentally absurd.

His in game conduct is directly responsible for alienating new players, indulging in game breaking exploits, and enabling an alliance which detrimental to the game's development.

You hold one point that is true, and can't back it up in regards to Zatara. And that is that you can judge him on choices he's made, however, you're ignoring how he runs his corporation. Are you saying, that by allowing his guys to make the decision to what they've done, that Zatara should take the fall as a person?

In this regard, him giving his guys the option of what path they will be fighting on, was the choice that we wish CCP would give us. This man, has shown that he will listen to you, help you improve your ideas, and then implement them. FA is the proof guys, no one else in this entire game has the commitment to do what he did and make the choices he has. He heard his men out, and made the best moves for them. Even district locking was so that he could keep enough clones so he wouldn't be forced to clone pack - everyone is getting very frustrated with Clone Packs, and many corps have completely burnt out using them - so he did what the cool thing was to do back then, because he had to for his guys.

As a corp leader, Dust is not his concern, but as CPM, it would be, you would see a whole new side of him reaching out to the NPE. This would be a positive move that would help grow the trust between community and CPM. I doubt there are few who take this game as seriously as Zatara. But more then that, he would be a person to break down walls this community has set in itself, such as vet vs casual.

He would also help fix the transparency issue between CPM and Community - not the leakage of NDA, but how well the communication link works. IE. you can expect CPM to reply as best they can to all concerns

Zatara, offers a lot as CPM. To both the community and game mechanics. I implore those judging him on selective track records - ask yourselves - "If I had a competitive team loyal to me, looking up to me to make the right decisions, what would I do for them?" Then ask if it's alright to judge him based on what he thought was right.


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kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 405	Posted - 2014.04.27 21:26:00 - [1] - Quote Since this is where adults talk, my main question is how do you expect the community to distinguish between Zatara the player and Zatara the CPM? Spero argues that one is not the other, which I still can't comprehend. I have yet to see any example of anything remotely political working like this. For example, the mayor can't convince the citizens that he truly knows how to make good decisions for the community--for them--after he gets caught banging the sheriff's wife. So, please explain to me how you will represent the entire community while continuing to alienate the majority from one of the game modes, which is a poor decision for the community. I don't think it's a secret that the vast majority of the player base is completely against what DNS stands for. I would pose this question to anyone in your position, but none of the other CPM candidates are in DNS--that I know of--and have your same track record. I appreciate any responses. Happy Gaming!!!
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2014.04.28 03:37:00 - [2] - Quote Arkena, I appreciate you trying to make an argument for your team member, and I assume friend. I will not go point by point because I'm on an iPad, and I'm just not going to type that much. I have nothing against Zatara or Spero. I've talked to both of them briefly, and they aren't horrible people. However, you never answered my question. How is Zatara going to represent the community when he's made the decisions he's made? You don't have to give me a history lesson; I've been part of numerous conversations where Zatara spoke. You know, "top secret" stuff. I know what Zatara was trying to do. I heard his intentions over chat. However, his actions--believe or not--speak volumes. He and Spero both speak and support adjustments to PC; yet, their actions contradict that by being in the biggest blue donut Dust has ever seen. Not just that, but being part of a blue donut that wants to wipe the entire player base from the map. To me, that is stopping the majority from enjoying a game mode. How can you even begin to argue that? The only people that argue and defend what DNS has done to the game are those in DNS. Everyone else sees it for what it is. This isn't the War Room, though; so, we don't need to get in those arguments. All I'm asking is how the player base can trust Zatara to represent them. From being on comms and listening to him speak, then watching his actions as he disregarded loyalty for the almighty ISK, I'm struggling to see how he can even be considered a legit option. I'm having a hard time distinguishing decisions made by the player compared to future decisions of a person in direct conversations with CCP.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 409	Posted - 2014.04.28 14:34:00 - [3] - Quote Ah, since Zatara has now joined the conversation, I will now address him directly. Nothing against you, Arkena. And Sota, IGÇÖll respond to you in the War Room because I do not want to sidetrack ZataraGÇÖs campaign thread. So, Zatara, letGÇÖs have a cordial, intelligent conversation about my points and yours. I will go directly off your response, point by point. First, it shouldnGÇÖt surprise you that your candidacy will be judged by those you associate with. It shouldnGÇÖt surprise anyone. This is the way the world works. You might not agree with itGÇöI certainly donGÇÖtGÇöbut itGÇÖs the simple truth. The majority will see Fatal Absolution and DNS next to your name, and they will immediately have preconceived ideas on who you are and what youGÇÖre about. If you want to enter the political realmsGÇöeven in a video gameGÇöyou have to understand that. As for when have you put DNS ahead of the community? Well, letGÇÖs see. I guess every second that youGÇÖre part of DNS and doing what youGÇÖre doing in PC, youGÇÖre putting DNS ahead of the community. The majorityGÇöthis is how I will reference the 98% of the communityGÇödo not agree with anything DNS stands for or is trying to accomplish. All you have to do is spend 5 seconds in the forums to realize that. So, by continuing to align yourself with DNS and its objectives, you are alienating the majority, which you now hope to represent. I will apologize for the isk comment; it was intended to get a response more than what I truly believe. My belief is that FA was put against the ropes and held over the cliff. You made the best judgment call for your people, in order to guarantee their survival. Some will say this is honorable. My belief is that itGÇÖs weakness. But this still isnGÇÖt the issue. IGÇÖm going to skip down to this before I get to my main point, though. You said, GÇ£No one has asked me if I support DNS taking 100% of PC.GÇ¥ Zatara, no one needs to ask you that question. You are living your own answer. By remaining part of DNS and watching as the majority are turned away from one of the game modes, when you have the power to do something, your actions are your answer. You might not agree with taking over 100% of PC, but your GÇ£silence of actionsGÇ¥ speaks for you. Now I can get to my main point. I was trying to give you a forum in which to answer and convince the community that you deserve their vote, not hide behind a thought process of GÇ£my in-game actions shouldnGÇÖt dictate how people perceive me.GÇ¥ I have nothing against you, but you are na+»ve to think that will happen. Our actions, and the actions of those we associate with, dictate our overall perception. If FA proto stomps in pub matchesGÇöeven if youGÇÖre not thereGÇöit will have a negative impact on you. The reason I wonGÇÖt vote for you is pretty simple: I was in a chat room when you were discussing our next steps (TsoGÇÖs next steps) after the fix to locking. Right out of your mouth came, GÇ£The last thing I want is to be part of another blue donut,GÇ¥ and, GÇ£we do not want to take over all the districts or kick anyone out of PC. 60 districts, between everyone in our alliance, are the most we want.GÇ¥ Do you remember saying this? I do. Others do. Then, when the pressure was put on, what did you do? You joined the blue donut (justify it all you want) and are currently attempting to kick every single person out of PC except DNS. Because of this, you are a liar. You canGÇÖt be trusted. So, please tell me again how youGÇÖre going to represent the entire community and earn back trust?
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 411	Posted - 2014.04.28 18:46:00 - [4] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think Zatara would bring an interesting element to the CPM. He's played the game at it's highest levels and succeeded. He was a FC for Team Players in the most impressive run of PC seen to date. He started a corp and quickly turned it into one of the most feared corps in Dust 514. I've spent quite a bit of time talking to Zatara and I believe he is genuinely interested in the long term success of this game. I don't see Zatara using the CPM as a platform for benefiting his corporation or his allies. Zatara is an excellent candidate and I'll have him at or near the top of my ballot. I respect your opinion on this, Thor. And it means a lot that you're able to have this perspective after the conversations I know we both heard. +1
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 414	Posted - 2014.04.29 00:03:00 - [5] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Archer Yorcot wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Some questions and concerns about Zatara may be valid, others, I don't think are so valid. I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet (other then myself, of course), but I urge people not to rush to conclusions. I don't feel being in the dominant landholding alliance is necessarily a capital crime for a CPM candidate. While exploits have been a problem for a pretty large percentage of the PC playerbase, largely speaking, the fault is CCP's failure to create a good game mode, and failure to police those individuals exploiting the system. If the game is in such a way that allows one to take 100% of it, that's not the player's fault for doing it. Does everyone here expect CPM members to pull their punches in-game? Planetary Conquest is part of the game, and by it's very definition, you're kinda supposed to try and kick people out of it. I mean, I'm big on PFC, so you know, sometimes I can be a big carebear about getting people into PC and having fun. But it's hard to blame someone for playing the game well. No one is blaming Zatara for playing the game "well." But his assertion that his in-game conduct should have no bearing on his candidacy is fundamentally absurd. His in game conduct is directly responsible for alienating new players, indulging in game breaking exploits, and enabling an alliance which detrimental to the game's development. You hold one point that is true, and can't back it up in regards to Zatara. And that is that you can judge him on choices he's made, however, you're ignoring how he runs his corporation. Are you saying, that by allowing his guys to make the decision to what they've done, that Zatara should take the fall as a person? In this regard, him giving his guys the option of what path they will be fighting on, was the choice that we wish CCP would give us. This man, has shown that he will listen to you, help you improve your ideas, and then implement them. FA is the proof guys, no one else in this entire game has the commitment to do what he did and make the choices he has. He heard his men out, and made the best moves for them. Even district locking was so that he could keep enough clones so he wouldn't be forced to clone pack - everyone is getting very frustrated with Clone Packs, and many corps have completely burnt out using them - so he did what the cool thing was to do back then, because he had to for his guys. As a corp leader, Dust is not his concern, but as CPM, it would be, you would see a whole new side of him reaching out to the NPE. This would be a positive move that would help grow the trust between community and CPM. I doubt there are few who take this game as seriously as Zatara. But more then that, he would be a person to break down walls this community has set in itself, such as vet vs casual. He would also help fix the transparency issue between CPM and Community - not the leakage of NDA, but how well the communication link works. IE. you can expect CPM to reply as best they can to all concerns Zatara, offers a lot as CPM. To both the community and game mechanics. I implore those judging him on selective track records - ask yourselves - "If I had a competitive team loyal to me, looking up to me to make the right decisions, what would I do for them?" Then ask if it's alright to judge him based on what he thought was right. So, your argument is that since he did whatever possible for his corporation--no matter the outcome to the rest of the community--he should be commended? And this is because he let his corp members voice their concerns and ultimately make the call? You believe this translates to him listening to the community and making the best decisions for all of us? I'm trying to simplify this; so, please correct me if I simplified it too much.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:32:00 - [6] - Quote Fixed some of my comments.