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Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12732	Posted - 2014.04.26 17:43:00 - [1] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: I have nothing against you personally, but the actions of you and your corp make me doubt you can put the needs of the community before yourself. What actions, specifically, are you referring to? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12799	Posted - 2014.04.27 22:39:00 - [2] - Quote Kiarbanor, I have a question for you as well. Why the hate for Zatara the player? The association with DNS? You say that he is 'alienating the majority from one of the game modes'. This is not a problem with Zatara, it's a 'problem' because one group is winning overwhelmingly and he just happens to be a part of that group. What exactly is DNS doing to put everyone off PC apart from winning? If you were to read Zatara's posts, you would see that he's an advocate of changes to PC. AFAIK, he doesn't believe that the current implementation is successful. I'm not sure what he's supported specifically (I don't really stalk the guy) but I'm fairly certain he supports changes to make getting into PC easier such as increasing the size of clone packs so they're a more viable way to win districts. If you're still concerned with his political affiliation, let me link you an old thread about his political intentions and show you some chatlogs. This part of my post is obviously going to be 'political' in nature. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1893643#post1893643 This was a thread in which FA was selling districts. For context, at the time ERA was selling districts at 200 mil each. Zatara did not need to sell the districts at literally half the price to compete - he could simply have undercut ERA's prices. But instead he cut the price drastically. Later, Kane offered to buy the entire stock (either for reselling or for ERA's own uses) but Zatara declined. Why did he do both of these things? Zatara to Kane: [3/3/14 1:04:25 PM] Zatara Rought: We aren't selling districts to NF so they can re sell silly [3/3/14 1:04:35 PM] Zatara Rought: we want more people getting fights in PC [3/3/14 1:04:37 PM] Zatara Rought: :P [3/3/14 1:04:50 PM] Zatara Rought: Lemme know about the PFC job [3/3/14 1:06:01 PM] Kane Spero: Who said anything about reselling [3/3/14 1:06:15 PM] Zatara Rought: We aren't selling districts to NF [03/03/2014 20:07:07] Zatara Rought: an unstated rule of the thread is that I'm combing buyers to make sure they have the people to defend the districtGÇªcan't be a fuggin 22 man corp full of alts that have an average of 2.5k kills [03/03/2014 20:07:23] Zatara Rought: this is to make content Obviously, this didn't turn out well in the end. But the intention was clearly not to be a greedy landlord scrounging for every last ISK and keeping new groups out of PC completely. I'm unsure how familiar you are with recent history in PC but for the benefit of those readers who aren't very familiar, up until the great blue donut that we have at present FA (and Zatara) were part of a group called General Tso's Alliance. This was the only major group to be fighting against DNS at the time - most other groups were either locked up or were quickly evicted. Most, if not all of the Tso's districts were permanently locked with attacks. For our side, the war was effectively lost on the first day. It dragged on for a little while but the conclusion was pretty much certain. It is difficult to fight an enemy which can attack all of your timers (thereby preventing you from counterattacking with district clones) and who has a much greater income than you. So that war was lost. As our last districts fell, however, FA received an offer to join NF/DNS. With our war obviously lost, players in corp burning out, the choice was obvious. Zatara chose to put FA in the alliance. And that's how we ended up in DNS. I may have portrayed DNS as the 'bad guys' here. This is also unfair. The politics are a lot more murky than money grabbing landlords beating up a weaker group of selfless paragons of virtue. People blued up because it was necessary. Before the main war happened there were three strong groups in PC. ERA, Renegade Alliance (AE/NS) and FA/RND. Naturally, fearing the other two groups would team up on them each group sought an alliance. ERA and RA allied and joined DNS to get EVE support, leading to the dominant group of DNS that you see today. Everyone had their own justifiable reasons for doing what they did. The net result is that we have a large and completely dominant alliance which is almost universally hated. It doesn't help that a handful of trash posters inflame the masses calling them 'peasants' and 'pubbies'. There's so much hatred for DNS out there and I honestly don't understand why. The entire alliance is not hell bent on making PC a stagnant mess. It's just turned out that way. There are people wanting to '100% MH' but that's really a pride factor. It's not because they're a bunch of douchebags. People frequently bash on people like Kane as well, due to him being a figurehead. I notice you're also questioning Kane based on his political motivations - but really, are they that heinous? If you look at what he is posting you will see that he too advocates changes to PC. Increases to clone pack size are seen as a crucial change - but IIRC 'political' people within DNS have gone so far as to advocate the removal of passive ISK. Is that really in keeping with this image of DNS being obsessed with keeping their dominance? You say that 'the majority of the playerbase is completely against what DNS stands for'. What is it that you believe DNS stands for? People like Zatara and Kane are not evil overlords. They're decent human beings, who have had to make political decisions due to circumstance. Can you honestly say that most people would not have done similar things in their positions? So I would like to ask you, and anyone else critical of Zatara (and any other DNS candidates, I believe Canari Elphus is also DNS) to discard these ideas that DNS and everyone in it are terrible. It's a shallow prejudice that obscures what these people are trying to do. They are trying to make PC easier to get into, less unbalanced, more active, less of a farmfest, etc. Stop judging people based on their alliance and start judging them based on who they are. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12829	Posted - 2014.04.28 06:21:00 - [3] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: I have nothing against Zatara or Spero. I've talked to both of them briefly, and they aren't horrible people. However, you never answered my question. How is Zatara going to represent the community when he's made the decisions he's made? Why are the decisions he's made so bad? What decisions, exactly, make him unsuitable? Quote: You don't have to give me a history lesson; I've been part of numerous conversations where Zatara spoke. You know, "top secret" stuff. I know what Zatara was trying to do. I heard his intentions over chat. However, his actions--believe or not--speak volumes. He and Spero both speak and support adjustments to PC; yet, their actions contradict that by being in the biggest blue donut Dust has ever seen. Not just that, but being part of a blue donut that wants to wipe the entire player base from the map. To me, that is stopping the majority from enjoying a game mode. How can you even begin to argue that? Again, what actions? FA is not a landholding corp, nor is it feasible to just break away from DNS. You're again making the sweeping generalisation that everyone in DNS wants to 'wipe the entire player base from the map'. If you go to the war room, sure, you'll see some of that sentiment expressed by some trash posters from DNS. But you'll also see people cheering on OH and WTF for bringing good fights and wishing them luck. Quote: The only people that argue and defend what DNS has done to the game are those in DNS. Everyone else sees it for what it is. This isn't the War Room, though; so, we don't need to get in those arguments. All I'm asking is how the player base can trust Zatara to represent them. From being on comms and listening to him speak, then watching his actions as he disregarded loyalty for the almighty ISK, I'm struggling to see how he can even be considered a legit option. I'm having a hard time distinguishing decisions made by the player compared to future decisions of a person in direct conversations with CCP. How exactly has he 'disregarded loyalty for the almighty ISK'? When FA left Tso's, with half their players burning out from fielding almost every timer the alliance had, having effectively been defeated? Can you honestly say that if you were in the same position, primarily wanting to play PC, with your corp mostly beaten, about to get evicted from PC, corp in and then you receive an offer to stay in - would you refuse it? What about that decision was so utterly terrible that it must mean that Zatara is an eminently unsuitable candidate? EDIT: To clarify my intentions with these posts, I am not extolling the virtues of Zatara as a candidate. But I absolutely despise all these judgements of him based off political decisions that 99% of the time people don't actually understand. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12869	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:18:00 - [4] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Some people can't overlook certain harmful actions, even if they were done with good intentions. What actions, specifically, are 'harmful'? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12878	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:49:00 - [5] - Quote Deep Shallowness wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: II'm a conduit for the community. Plain and simple. That is BS. huge piles of BS. You in no way ARE a conduit for the community. Maybe you SAY you WILL be. But right now, in DUST today you run a corp that supports an alliance that is abusing mechanics in a way that hurts the majority of players. You are not what you say you will be but what you are now. And the you that is now, is not a community focused person. I can almost taste the irony of a person named 'Deep Shallowness' being so deeply shallow as to judge someone completely based on their alliance. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12884	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:38:00 - [6] - Quote Deep Shallowness wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Meh, It's not worth responding to troll bait from an alt. you seem to like to dismiss those that do not agree with you. So ill ask in simple terms a simple question. Is the district locking that DNS took part in and actively advocated in the past and today good or bad for the games community? Good or bad? no waffle... Good or bad? DNS as an alliance has not district locked. Member groups have, in the past - but that was before DNS was created and at a time when 230+ districts were locked at a time by every group in PC. Neither has anyone 'actively advocated' district locking. The voices in what would become DNS were the loudest calls for it to be fixed. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12886	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:56:00 - [7] - Quote Deep Shallowness wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The voices in what would become DNS were the loudest calls for it to be fixed. Voices/ BS. They are not acting. Leave PC. This is the only way to prove as a player or a corp you do not support PC as it is now. Any player who stays, Supports it. its that simple. Leave PC? Do point to where you see FA holding a district. How does one leave PC when they're not in it? Our alliance is in it. We are not. If you're going to bash on us for being a blue donut and farming districts for a ton of ISK in this thread, you might want to realise that you're bashing on completely the wrong people because guess what? We're not landholders. Presumably you won't accept that as 'proof' though, because you're going to blindly flail and scream at our alliance tags. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12887	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:09:00 - [8] - Quote Deep Shallowness wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Leave PC? Do point to where you see FA holding a district. How does one leave PC when they're not in it? Our alliance is in it. We are not. If you're going to bash on us for being a blue donut and farming districts for a ton of ISK in this thread, you might want to realise that you're bashing on completely the wrong people because guess what? We're not landholders. Presumably you won't accept that as 'proof' though, because you're going to blindly flail and scream at our alliance tags. You dodge. Is FA part of DNS? Is DNS locking PC based on a history of abusing faulty mechanics? As I said, you are blindly judging us based on our alliance tags. This is not a thread about DNS. This is a thread about Zatara. It is your own political bias that has led you to start complaining about DNS abusing mechanics in this thread. Regardless of how I answer your question, you are either going to crow and make more sweeping generalisations about the entirety of DNS being exploiters or claim that I am wrong, despite your own question being fundamentally flawed and being based off false information. None of the constituent groups of DNS advocated district locking. None. Zero. Nobody. You can claim that it's 'BS' all you like but that doesn't change the fact that it is true. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12889	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:19:00 - [9] - Quote Deep Shallowness wrote: blah blah blah. Answer the question. The answer to your question is no. But you won't accept that. I have a question for you. Who is your main? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12892	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:31:00 - [10] - Quote Deep Shallowness wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Deep Shallowness wrote: blah blah blah. Answer the question. The answer to your question is no. But you won't accept that. I have a question for you. Who is your main? Nice try at distraction. no main. I don't have time to skip school for that What distraction? I answered your question. You don't have a main? Oh. So you have zero experience with PC or player corps then, and have only been in that one NPC corp, and don't actually play? Nice try at distraction. Who is your main? Or are you hiding an obvious political bias of your own? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12898	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:51:00 - [11] - Quote Deep Shallowness wrote: you keep dodgeing and trying to dismiss me. I asked a really simple question. which was dadged. Two times. So now my first question has been answered. FA is in DNS. Fine. lets move to question two. Has DNS benefited from district locking? I have already answered this. Repeatedly. The answer is no. You are repeatedly dodging my own questions to you and insisting that I am dodging yours. Let me quote you what I said. Quote: The answer to your question is no. How could that be any clearer? You are deliberately being stupid if you do not see immediately that this was referring to your second question. Quote: Regardless of how I answer your question, you are either going to crow and make more sweeping generalisations about the entirety of DNS being exploiters or claim that I am wrong, despite your own question being fundamentally flawed and being based off false information. I suppose this one actually requires a degree of reading comprehension. Try taking it slowly, a little bit at a time. I'll wait for you to figure that one out. Now, I have answered your question three times. You keep claiming I am dodging your question, but twice you have actually, genuinely dodged my question. Answer the question. Deep Shallowness wrote: Since you are evasive and lying about the timeline of DNS entering PC. I'll take that to be a quite clear answer. Lying? District locking was fixed before the DUST side of DNS came into existence. Get your facts straight before accusing people of lying. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12899	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:00:00 - [12] - Quote Deep Shallowness wrote: So just to clarify your views : 1) FA is in DNS. 2) DNS has in no way benefited from the district locking that has happening in the current version of PC. You know exactly what has been said and repeated to you multiple times. If you have a point, get to it. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12903	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:10:00 - [13] - Quote Deep Shallowness wrote: and I and also interested to note that you seek to look down on me just because I'm not in some big corp. Even to the the point of trying to mock me by saying I am an ALT just to make it easier to dismiss my comments You are judging us based on our alliance, but you will not tell anyone what who you actually are. What reason other than your own political bias would you have to hide that? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12904	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:23:00 - [14] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: If your going to question someones politics in a candidacy thread at least have the balls to do it on your main. If you're going to support your candidate, don't tell people they shouldn't ask the hard questions, give them straight answers. I have answered him three times. Forgive me if I don't have the patience of a saint with an alt poster who I highly doubt will be convinced of anything regardless of what is said in this thread. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12907	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:41:00 - [15] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: If your going to question someones politics in a candidacy thread at least have the balls to do it on your main. If you're going to support your candidate, don't tell people they shouldn't ask the hard questions, give them straight answers. I have answered him three times. Forgive me if I don't have the patience of a saint with an alt poster who I highly doubt will be convinced of anything regardless of what is said in this thread. My bad, I was not referring to the same person, I was referring to ealier posts. Don't get me wrong, if I have a list a candidates Zatara is on it..... the question is how far up on it he is. AFAIK he's on the plane to Iceland at the moment. Hopefully once he gets there he'll be able to answer some questions. If you've got any, now is probably the time to ask. Zatara is probably going on my ballot as well. I'm not really sure yet, either. BTW - my main purpose here isn't to convince people of Zatara's glorious perfection and greatness or whatever, it's to respond to people judging him negatively purely based on the alliance tag, especially when that judgement is based on misunderstandings. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13293	Posted - 2014.05.15 13:52:00 - [16] - Quote Waruiko DUST wrote: Kain your approval is perhaps the most poisonous act a merc looking for public support can receive. If you dislike Kane personally please don't judge Zatara's candidacy solely based on his endorsement. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13745	Posted - 2014.05.25 20:53:00 - [17] - Quote STABBEY wrote: How the **** do we vote anyway lol You can't, yet. Nobody has a clue what's going on with the elections. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1

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