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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:40:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Deep Shallowness wrote:I now only seek the OPs view on the points you clarified on his behalf.
and I and also interested to note that you seek to look down on me just because I'm not in some big corp. Even to the the point of trying to mock me by saying I am an ALT just to make it easier to dismiss my comments. You tired to use that as a point against me. Does the OP support this attitude to newer players trying to break into the game? You're clearly an alt. I don't know........... Okay, screw this, I'm going to go back to building my panty dropper library, just found this song.
I am so very disappointed. You just found this sound now? This is from like 2011. Get with the times Derrith!
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Appia Vibbia
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:05:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:CONTINUED
The main problem at the moment is, I would say, scout versatility. Others may disagree with me on this (feel free to discuss) but I donGÇÖt see any reason, for example, why scouts should be able to GÇÿbrick tankGÇÖ like they can atm. IGÇÖm seeing a lot of scouts with almost as much HP as I would expect from an assault but with a whole host of other advantages. An excellent example is the suit I use, actually GÇô the Caldari scout is just better at assaulting than the Caldari assault is. IGÇÖm enjoying it, and itGÇÖs a fun suit, but it really shouldnGÇÖt be as tanky as a mediumframe. In some ways the scout is actually better at tanking than the assault. The Calscout has a much better shield regen than the Calassault and the Galscout has a better passive armor rep than the Galassault.
To me, thatGÇÖs not right. I strongly feel that scouts should be focused on EWAR. As it is scouts can fight as well as most medium frames while having better speed, much better EWAR, and cloaks. There are some things with EWAR I donGÇÖt think are quite right either. A Galscout with one dampener can hide from a Calscout with four precision enhancers whilst cloaked. ThatGÇÖs not right either. I think thatGÇÖs due to the 20% bonus of precision enhancers vs 25% dampeners and natural scan precision being higher than natural scan profile. There could be a great EWAR dynamic if these things are balanced better with each other.
So to summarize my thoughts here: scouts shouldnGÇÖt be able to tank like assaults (and some logis) and EWAR balance needs a little work.
We recently talked about our SP allocation. Basically we were very similar amounts only you had more in weaponry andI had more in dropsuit command. That was like 2 million SP ago. Since then I've continued to invest in more dropsuits.
First off, to say that a suit should not be able to brick tank is a horrible thing. You are outright denying one of the few strengths of DUST 514 by taking away customization. As someone that was fighting tooth and nail to have their suit(s) function, all I see is someone that does not understand the strengths and weaknesses of the role suits.
I've been a Scout in PC since its inception. For OA and HS I was a Sniper, for TP I was a speed hacker, stealth uplink deployment, for AE I was a shotguner. I've been saying how terrible the Minmatar scout was from 1.0 to 1.7. I got the Minmatar suit to proto back during the nova knife challenge.
1.8 dropped and I immediately got Gallente, Caldari, and Minmatar Scout Suit Operation to level 5
You know what I miss terribly? My Assault ck.0 and my Assault ak.0
The people that never played the suit, when the scout community was desperate for the promised 'dev hugs' that were seemingly never coming, wanted to relegate the suit to a immobile active scanner.
This is a First Person Shooter. Everyone deserves to be able to shoot people. Saying "Scouts need to focus on EWAR" is like saying Heavies only get armor plates and shield extenders. Or Logistics only get equipment. Or assaults can only use shield energizers, shield regulators, and armor repairers.
Personally, I think you should be embarrassed by what you said here. Show me once where you were against slayer-logis.
Quote:The main problem at the moment is, I would say, logistics versatility. Others may disagree with me on this (feel free to discuss) but I donGÇÖt see any reason, for example, why logistics should be able to GÇÿbrick tankGÇÖ like they can atm. IGÇÖm seeing a lot of Logistics with much more HP than I would expect from an assault but with a whole host of other advantages. An excellent example is the suit I use, actually GÇô the Gallente Logistics is just better at assaulting than the Gallente assault is. IGÇÖm enjoying it, and itGÇÖs a fun suit, but it really shouldnGÇÖt be as tanky as an Assault suit. In some ways the Logistics is actually better at tanking than the assault.
Why was this seemingly absent from you for the last 12 months? Why is it still missing?
The Caldari Logistics suit is a far better slayer suit now that they get a reduction to fitting cost on equipment and you don't feel like you're crippling yourself by not using a Rail Rifle.
Assaults are now, and have been, in a bad place. Please don't put the problem elsewhere. Please don't ignore that Logistics were and still are outshining Assaults.
From here, let us look at DUST's EWAR. We currently have 3 modules and 2 equipment that follow under EWAR: Precision Enhancers, Range Amplifiers, Profile Dampeners, Active Scanners, and Cloak Fields.
Take a look here, this is the scan table I use. It isn't nice and color coded likes haerr's but it is mine.
Look at those values. Compare the profile to precision.
Without a cloak, the only suit in the game that can overcome Caldari Precision is the Gallente Scout.
No matter how dedicated another suit is, they cannot compete with it. If they know someone is using 3 precision enhancers, at that point they have no need for scanning modules and just brick tank.
Look again, this time at the values including the cloak field when active. Again the Gallente Scout can avoid detection, but now by dedicating their low slots other scouts can as well. Still medium and heavy frames suits cannot avoid detection no matter how much they wish.
All scouts should be adapt at stealth. All scouts should have a way to overcome the passive and active scanning.
If you adjust the values specifically because you think Gallente Scouts, which is essentially the only counter to Caldari Scanning, should be reduced in efficacy then remember that there are 3 other scout suits out there and 16 more suits that can never avoid detection.
The power to see and share locations of enemies is far more powerful than to hide one's self. [character limit reached]
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