This is ridiculous. People are whining way too much about the cloak. They say it's a "crutch" for "******-players" pre-1.8, which is absolute BS. And these are the people who just say the cloak is "trash" and provide NO proper and logical explanation as to why it's even "garbage" in the first place. They don't even say why they couldn't see them. Players like Judge Rhadamanthus have video proof as to what extent the cloak is visible, and he even states that the cloak isn't even broken, rather it's just harder to see scouts in certain lighting areas, which is completely fine because the scout is using the environment to hide itself. Another problem is that people are STILL used to just looking at their radars and expecting to see EVERYTHING, and now when cloaks help hide scouts from the radars, they complain they can't see scouts when they get shotgunned, which is true because they aren't even looking at what's even right in front of them on their screen since they're too busy looking at their ******* radar!

Another reason why people are against cloaks is because they're really angered at the "brick-tanked" scouts, who shove armor plates up their ass to act like Assaults. Why are you getting pissed off by the cloaks, channel your fury into armor plates, which provide way too much eHP for such a small movement penatly.

Seriously if you're looking at your radar instead of the main screen right in front of you, don't be surprised when a "blue-outlined" scout comes up running to you and pops with you a shotgun.

so tell me what you do when you are aware there are cloaked scouts on the field. When approaching an objective or room...do you stop and survey the entire area with your crosshair? You would have to do it before leaving and entering any area.

I don't see how removing the dampening bonus will help people see scouts. You'll just be encouraging more Gal scouts, or scouts with dampeners, and that just brings you back to square one because you still won't be able to see them on the radar. Furthermore if the dampening bonus is taken away, how are we supposed to counter caldari scouts? They are the precision hunters and will be able to catch almost everyone, IMO, cloaks with damp. bonus are part of the counter against Cal scouts. I really don't see how cloaks are ridiculous.

My issue with cloaks is that a cloaked scout is hard to ******* see.

I don't see how removing the dampening bonus will help people see scouts. You'll just be encouraging more Gal scouts, or scouts with dampeners, and that just brings you back to square one because you still won't be able to see them on the radar. Furthermore if the dampening bonus is taken away, how are we supposed to counter caldari scouts? They are the precision hunters and will be able to catch almost everyone, IMO, cloaks with damp. bonus are part of the counter against Cal scouts. I really don't see how cloaks are ridiculous.

Working as intended?

Well in that case your enemies must have been to focus on someone more visible and they suck hard.I can see them clear as day.Except when their in the sun using the environment is smart.I am more a where of (where is that guy oh he;s right shotgun to ya face oooooooooooooohhhohhhhh). Ya you use your eyes everyone use your eyes and stop being Bit****

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

This week, I will make sure that I post some video and commentary of when cloak scouts are ridiculous.

Well I'm not looking at the radar. In fact I learned to play without relying on it from the start.

My issue with cloaks is that a cloaked scout is hard to ******* see. And the fact that the skill needed to cloak up and shotgun someone in the back doesn't come near the skill required in situational awareness to spot a cloaked scout in the middle of a firefight.

Then there's the fact that the cloak gives semi-invisibility AND a dampening effect. Usually this game requires you to choose between two different benefits of a particular weapon, gear or module. Yet the cloak gives two benefits and no real drawback.

It would've made more sense for the cloak to make you invisible to the naked eye but more visible on radar.

You keep saying "oh without the damp bonus u still wouldnt see me," which is completly false. Everytime a brick tanked scout decloaks behind me he pops up on my radar. I then turn around to blast him down, and look, he has as much HP as a damn logi. 2 shotgun rounds later im down and he is still half armor. Why do you expect a free complex dampner from your equipment slot?

Scouts either have too much fitting, or the cloak has too much dampening.

... It doesn't have any drawbacks at all and nothing being able to counter it.

Try one of the two direct counters?

I think more or less the issue, is not the cloak itself but the combination of different weapons and equipment when used with it.

My original belief was that the cloak was going to be used more for a s supporting role, then the slayer. Currently that is far from the case.

The cloak is here to stay, but to insist it does not need tweaking is questionable

I'm fine with the effect. But i'm not fine with the fact that it doesn't have any drawbacks at all and nothing being able to counter it. The way the cloak currently works doesn't call for any skill of the user, the deck is simply stacked in the cloak users favor.

Nothing there to counter it ?!

Logi Suit - 2 PE + 1 RA
Assault - 1 PE + 1 RA
Cal Scout = lol Cloaked scouts

The main problem I see arising is the power of the Gal scout. It can brick tank as much as an assault, move slightly faster, cloak, and avoid being scanned oh and that 3 armor rep/s. Like you said Regnyum, it's not the individual parts that are OP, rather the combination the Gal can have with these pieces that make it too good.

Fix the Gal scout?

Also the CPU/PG usage is no joke, I could make my 11.12 m/s MInja have 300 shields but I have to drop it siginifcaly in order to incorporate a cloak. However I think because the Gal scout has the most PG, it can utilize the most mods and makes it the easiest/best scout to use in the game.

If anyone want's an example of someone making the Toupee Fallacy I mentioned in the video; this is exactly it. Tell me Mr Alcar ; How many scouts that you didn't see did you see? In other words How can you tell the difference from a scout that you did not see from a spot where there was no scout?

You can count the scouts you did see because you saw them. Tell me how you can count the scouts you did not see?

Fix the assault class?

*Sigh* All scout suits received a 1.8 profile reduction, not just gal scouts. People just like to complain about tacnet no longer spoonfeeding them Intel instead of adapting. I've ran a gal scout since they were released and I've seen more cal and Minnie scouts on the field over gal scouts in 1.8 because pubstars don't encounter proto scanners or dedicated precision scouts on the field so loldampening. I hope CCP trolls you all and brings back the chromosome shotgun... THEN you'll have a valid reason to belly ache.

And stop complaining about all these scrubs running cloaked sg FOTM. SG range is trash and Real assassin's run NKs. Wait til assaults get their buff before you premature evaluate all over yourself.

Also, gal scouts must choose between armor, dampening and speed. So raise up off these gal scout nuts.

I'm fine with the effect. But i'm not fine with the fact that it doesn't have any drawbacks at all and nothing being able to counter it. The way the cloak currently works doesn't call for any skill of the user, the deck is simply stacked in the cloak users favor.

I have only read the 1st post of this & a little after but here is my thoughts.

Recall the days you could scan everywhere? If you were a Scout, and you see "You have been scanned" was really annoying.

Remember Scouts being made of paper?

Recall if you were a Scout you were just as easily spotable as a Heavy?

Well now the scout is actually playable.

What people are really annoyed about is the cloak & shotgun, being a smart scout includes being a sort of Assassin on the battle-feild & using good tactics such as watching points, ninja hacking, or tracking a target to kill is fine & is grand tactics.

The problem is it's no longer Cloak & Dagger - It's Cloak & Shotgun. The majority (not ALL) of scouts currently are Scouts with NO originality - Scouts who are only Scouts for the shotgun purposes.

They pump into shotgun, probably proto, get a low level cloak & a decent suit, & the best modules possible.

They run around 1 shotting everyone with them having no chance to react. Proto Heavy's with complex sheilds & armor are took down in seconds to these shotguns. That shouldn't be happening & that's the REAL issue. The cloak complaints is because it's a CLOAK it just annoys people when they go invisible, running around killing people like it's nothing.

The only nerfs needed in my opinion are possibly Combat Rifle Range & shotgun DMG.

To CCP - Do not be afraid to stand by something that isn't broken like how the AR was originally, or how the scout suits are now. Only fix what needs fix & if it's not broke don't fix it. You have people like CPM's & CCP LogiBro - they'll tell you the facts they see on the feilds.

i personally don't mind the cloak, but there's no doubt that shotgun + cloak is cheap and about as easy mode as it gets.

I rarely see Minmatar scouts... they are the dodo birds of this generation....If anything I see Gal and Cal scouts everywhere. But yea fixing the assault class would be another fix.

I like that you didn't even mention Amarr scouts.

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

This week, I will make sure that I post some video and commentary of when cloak scouts are ridiculous.

I like that you didn't even mention Amarr scouts.