Indeed.

I don't think there are many scouts out there who don't believe Gal scout is too good at what he does.

People that so fiercely defend cloaks saying that they are balanced are funny as hell.
O ya use your eyes. What you think people playing this game suddenly become selectively blind? Come on get your mind out of neutral and actually engage your brain. If someone actually sees a shimmer they sure as heck are going to pop a shot off at it.

It is re-producible that the cloak doesn't even drop fully by the time a scout can fire. So what makes you think there isnt also some sort of issue where the shimmer sometimes might not even be on the other players screen?

Clearly being able to shoot before de-cloaked is not working as intended.

But you cloak fanboys are just going to defend it tooth and nail because you can not possibly consider any thing else and you want to vainly believe that it is actually your superior tactics ( LOL! ) that enable you to get so many kills with so few losses.

I am willing to admit using cloak and shotgun is a easy mode crutch when i use it.

so tell me what you do when you are aware there are cloaked scouts on the field. When approaching an objective or room...do you stop and survey the entire area with your crosshair? You would have to do it before leaving and entering any area.

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

Because while standing still, THERE'S STILL A FAINT SHIMMER. Cloaked players AREN'T completely invisible, and better yet, YOUR CROSSHAIRS STILL LIGHT UP WHEN YOU AIM AT THEM, just in case you miss the obvious player outline. If they're hiding "around the corner" then you do what you already had to do for uncloaked and dampened Scouts, and LOOK AROUND THE CORNER IN CASE THERE'S A HIDDEN SCOUT.


Or, you know, be COMPETENT and quickly pan across an area a little above ground level while watching for the crosshairs to turn red. You can accurately cover over 50m in less than a second if you're armed with any Rifle or pistol, or even the MagSec. The SMG is a little short of that range, and if you're running a Shotgun you need to be more alert to see cloakers in the distance.

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I'm not seeing the problem.

He's right I mean why is it so difficult,unless there right behind you but in that case think of it like a damper.Hey I just thought of something who invented the whole cloaked scout shotgun thing,Genius.Scouts are balance and disagree with this and my fist will slip down,fist out,swinging to the 56 round.Also yes use your crosshairs,why is it so difficult for babies to adapt.Anyone with me on that babies having a hard time.

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

This week, I will make sure that I post some video and commentary of when cloak scouts are ridiculous.

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

This week, I will make sure that I post some video and commentary of when cloak scouts are ridiculous.

Guy ^. If somome use scout it should get behind you quite yeasy if :

- Hes good, he have good damp, you dont run with team,you dont use scanner (gal)

I'm sorry but that makes no sense at all.

The fact that you can fire while cloaked is my only real complaint with cloaks.

Brick tanked cloak scrubs are the problem I believe so we need to keep in mind that proper scouts are not the problem. I believe simply setting the CPU and pg cost for cloaks higher would help. That way its either brick tanked scrub or hidden scrub but not both.

I have a scout alt with 17mil sp FYI, its amarr and I run either light assault or ninja fit depending on my squad composition. I have experimented and I can produce a fit that not only has better stats than an assault but it can also cloak. I know the amarr scout is supposed to be more assault oriented but seriously now lol. Its HP is slightly less but its quicker and can cloak with proto weapons. I do not use that fit though and deleted it after completing it, I cannot bring myself to run that easy mode bull sht and of course, it is proto amarr scout.

If they are behind you it doesn't matter if they use the cloak or not as scouts could hide from tac net before 1.8 just fine. Even the issue with brick tanked scouts is not as bad as peolpe make it.

A brick tanked scout sacrifices a lot for that hp by the way much more than any shield tanker sacrifices for his HP. The movement penalty IS quite noticeable if you slap on multiple plates and believe it or not brick tanked scout are way easier to detect with a scanner.

The only potential issue I see with the cloak is that the current implementation is favouring corner camping.

And to all those that complain about brick tanked scouts have you ever thought about stealth tanked logis or speed tanked assaults or even heavies? If you find these fits ok why in hell are you complaining about brick tanked scouts?

If you want a strict role definition thats close to classes dust may not the right game for you...