I'd like to know why the same people that b*tch about snipers, which are perfectly visible if you can spot them, but think cloak is ok.

Judge proved what some of us are already able to admit. The shimmer is not loading correctly like it is supposed to in order to allow the cloaker to be identified.
The cloak wouldn't be OP if the shimmer loaded like it should.

I've been seeing a big contrast from game to game with this with me in my Gal scout suit against other Gal scouts.

Brick tanked cloak scrubs are the problem I believe so we need to keep in mind that proper scouts are not the problem. I believe simply setting the CPU and pg cost for cloaks higher would help. That way its either brick tanked scrub or hidden scrub but not both.

I have a scout alt with 17mil sp FYI, its amarr and I run either light assault or ninja fit depending on my squad composition. I have experimented and I can produce a fit that not only has better stats than an assault but it can also cloak. I know the amarr scout is supposed to be more assault oriented but seriously now lol. Its HP is slightly less but its quicker and can cloak with proto weapons. I do not use that fit though and deleted it after completing it, I cannot bring myself to run that easy mode bull sht and of course, it is proto amarr scout.

I'll start with saying I could careless if any changes are made.

BUT!

If the dampening of cloaks was removed then all scouts would be forced to throw dampeners in their low slots rather than stacking ridiculous amounts of armor. This would hurt the Amarr scout the most. The Gal scout would still be fine, being able to use its bonus as an advantage while needing less dampeners as other suits so they can still armor tank, but not to ridiculous levels. As for the Minmatar scout, you're just pretty screwed all the way around.



All in all I really could careless. CCP has proven time and again that they aren't capable of releasing new content into Dust without there being mass amounts of issues. The real focus needs to be on the ability to fire your weapon while still going through the de-cloaking process. Any good scout can get at least one shot off with a shotgun before they are fully uncloaked, I've seen some get two off (could be due to lag), which is enough to kill all but the most bricked tanked heavies. IMO you should have to be fully uncloaked before being able to fire your weapon. No "time" delay, no weapon switch delay, but a 100% deactivation of cloak effects before you're capable of firing your weapon.

But hey, who cares. I'll deal with 2-3 shotgun to the back deaths per match rather than see CCP nerf the cloak to uselessness. You know because the whole CCP overnerf to everything they touch ordeal.

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

This week, I will make sure that I post some video and commentary of when cloak scouts are ridiculous.

Well, fortunately for everyone else, this only happens with glitches now.

There's a very rarely-used glitch (the easy way got patched) where players can remain cloaked with their weapons drawn, but other than that, switching to your weapon IMMEDIATELY begins the decloak animation, which is visible before your weapon is in your hand and able to be used. While in the decloak animation, you're not 100% visible immediately, but you're more visible than even the brightest shimmer effect makes you. Players who are ACTUALLY INVISIBLE while shooting you are BEHIND YOU and would be invisible without a cloak.

Also, there's a decloak sound (which could do with having its volume tweaked) which also plays IMMEDIATELY when you switch to your weapon. If it was playing consistently, and was loud enough to hear over gunfire, it would be a good warning sign that a cloaked player was appearing next to you.

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

This week, I will make sure that I post some video and commentary of when cloak scouts are ridiculous.

There may be lag issues involved but i doubt it - the lag between the decloak sound and the first shot is virtually nil. I play with headphones and since i'm typically hacking points solo i literally live and die by the decloak sound. The time between the sound playing and getting OHKed is measured in fractions of a second - I may be slow, but i'm not that slow.

Also, the decloak sound for spawning needs to be different.

Regarding decloaking and visibility, does the game guarantee that a shot will not register before the decloaking animation renders for the cloaker's target in all lag/latency situations? My experience here says no, it doesn't.

Use a focused scanner an never hack alone, maybe you can't just solo bully your way around a map anymore ????

This is ridiculous. People are whining way too much about the cloak. They say it's a "crutch" for "******-players" pre-1.8, which is absolute BS. And these are the people who just say the cloak is "trash" and provide NO proper and logical explanation as to why it's even "garbage" in the first place. They don't even say why they couldn't see them. Players like Judge Rhadamanthus have video proof as to what extent the cloak is visible, and he even states that the cloak isn't even broken, rather it's just harder to see scouts in certain lighting areas, which is completely fine because the scout is using the environment to hide itself. Another problem is that people are STILL used to just looking at their radars and expecting to see EVERYTHING, and now when cloaks help hide scouts from the radars, they complain they can't see scouts when they get shotgunned, which is true because they aren't even looking at what's even right in front of them on their screen since they're too busy looking at their ******* radar!

Another reason why people are against cloaks is because they're really angered at the "brick-tanked" scouts, who shove armor plates up their ass to act like Assaults. Why are you getting pissed off by the cloaks, channel your fury into armor plates, which provide way too much eHP for such a small movement penatly.

Seriously if you're looking at your radar instead of the main screen right in front of you, don't be surprised when a "blue-outlined" scout comes up running to you and pops with you a shotgun.

You can fire cloaked, firing two shotgun rounds before you're visible is firing cloaked.

Funny thing:

99% of these QQ scrubs that complain about cloaks and say that its a crutch; used ACTIVE SCANNERS pre 1.8.


just a thought.

Yes, and if you actually COULD fire 2 shots before being visible at all, you'd have a point.

Barring glitches, which have no bearing on a discussion about balance, you can't, and you don't.

If a person is FULLY CLOAKED and firing, then they're EXPLOITING A GLITCH to switch to their weapon without decloaking. If they aren't exploiting a glitch, then they're already in a decloaking animation and at the highest visibility a player can be without the cloak being fully deactivated BEFORE they can fire.

Also, even while standing still in ideal conditions, a cloaked player WILL BE VISIBLE if you're in range for them to hit with a Shotgun. Unless you're facing the wrong way. Or have bad eyesight. Or have your TV set up wrong.

You mean the one where you can see the cloaked Scout? Or the shot at the end where Judge points to the wrong part of the screen to try and prove the cloaked Scout is invisible? Case 3 was actually harder to spot the cloaked player in, and that was a situation where an uncloaked player would be almost invisible too.

And what do you call it when someone who's never equipped a cloak before is defending the cloak? Am I relying on it as a "crutch" too? By not using it, and frequently killing cloaked and freshly-decloaked players and only rarely being ACTUALLY caught off-guard (almost every instance of which has been my own mistake).

Is that one of the "buff Assaults" threads? I hope so, because Assaults do need a buff. Scouts are fine.

Well, fortunately for everyone else, this only happens with glitches now.

There's a very rarely-used glitch (the easy way got patched) where players can remain cloaked with their weapons drawn, but other than that, switching to your weapon IMMEDIATELY begins the decloak animation, which is visible before your weapon is in your hand and able to be used. While in the decloak animation, you're not 100% visible immediately, but you're more visible than even the brightest shimmer effect makes you. Players who are ACTUALLY INVISIBLE while shooting you are BEHIND YOU and would be invisible without a cloak.

Also, there's a decloak sound (which could do with having its volume tweaked) which also plays IMMEDIATELY when you switch to your weapon. If it was playing consistently, and was loud enough to hear over gunfire, it would be a good warning sign that a cloaked player was appearing next to you.

quitur lying ccp knows that the effects render correctly or we wouldnt have it

The solution is to run with a gallente logi or cal scout in your squad and STOP RUNNING AROUND BY YOURSELF.

Very rarely does CCP actually provide a counter to the FOTM, so use it til the newness subsides: problem solved.

This is like complaining that you need someone in your squad that is skilled into anti-vehicle to deal with vehicles. smh

Funniest **** ever is when anything but a scout uses a cloak LMAO i killed this commando MKO using a bolt pistol only... The guy had his cloak on and i spotted him about 40m away took my pistol and started shooting, the cloak took so much fitting requirements he probably couldnt put anything else, killed him in a clip

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

This week, I will make sure that I post some video and commentary of when cloak scouts are ridiculous.

The effective counter to that is to send in your very best Caldari Scout ahead of you. If the cloaky is brick tanked, he won't be able to hide effectively from a Scout Ck.0.

And if he is cloaked and fully dampened? He has the right to be undetectable against all? I call bs just sayin..

No. When I say case 4, I mean Case 4. And when I say bug in reference to software, it means something not working as intended. After watching it, did you notice anything? Or rather a lack of mechanic kicking in that makes the cloaked merc shimmer for running at full speed? That bug?

Honestly? I'd call you an idiot for defending bugs. Don't be upset, you asked. Normally when something's not working as intended, people want to fix it. I don't know. Maybe you're one of those cartoon ostrich that burry their head in the sand whenever a problem arises, insisting nothing is wrong? By the way, even real ostriches aren't that stupid.

You falsely assume I'm advocating for a cloak nerf; I'm not. I simply want bugs resolved. Just like how I advocated for fixing the active vehicle armor rep bug that never got fixed in the past. If the bugs that plague the cloak effected the cloak in a way that was unfavorable to the cloak user, I would still be advocating to fix it.

No, it's one of those here's a problem with medium frames and what we should do to address it.

Although if you actually bothered to click the link, you would've known. Which begs the question, why did you even have to ask?

yeah he does if he beat the ck0 fit.

this is bullshit i see cloaked people with no issue , even my friend who does not play dust had no trouble seeing the hem when he watched me play yesterday, and i was watching them at rages of over 50 meeters